I will stop rellying on my own sketches and constructive work.It's a meme to do imagination work, because 100% there's always some issue.I'm gonna relly on photobashing to create a base to work from instead of an initial sketch.
>this thing is hard so I'll handicap myself and take the easy route.
>>7347700yes, that simply means the other method is superior.
>>7347701you get worse results.it's easier to buy a frozen lasagna and microwave it, but it will pale in comparison to a homecooked lasagna. if you're willing to take shortcuts, might as well just trace AI at that point.
>>7347706starting from a photobash delivers higher quality while being easier to automate.starting from a line of action is a meme, because not even vilppu does it 100% from imagination except as demonstration pieces.All professionals use a reference or directly starts from a grid method or a camera obscura or a photo reference.Imagination work is just a meme.
>>7347695>this technique is too powerful it has to be a meme
>>7347718Is a meme.I did 17 years of pure drawing from imagination works.
>>7347695WHY NOT BOTH??Imagination and Reference
>>7347719>I did 17 yearsIt means God simply didn't choose you.
>>7347720Been a year since I started to use references.>>7347722I mean, I was naive when I was younger.
>>7347719when you say this, you mean you initially referenced first, then you learned to do it from imagination?oh, so you didn't. Silly goose, you're supposed to use references first, then you learn how to do it without the reference. the people that shill imagination will tell you start with reference first, then move off of it.
>>7347712>starting from a photobash delivers higher quality while being easier to automate.This is actually so wrong it's not even funny.
>>7347726I did 100% reference works for almost 15-16 years.I can easily rotate an object to any angle in a drawing after watching it for 30 seconds.>>7347729you get correct proportions while starting from a reference.
san salvador
>>7347732wtf how long have you been drawing, 32 years? lmao
>>7347739I started in april of 2005.
>>7347740are you an animu artist?
>>7347741yes.I need imagination work most of the time, like 2D animated frames.
>>7347740You've been drawing for almost 20 years and still can't draw without making a Frankenstein of other people's work and tracing over it? Dude I was doing that shit for the first like 6 months of drawing and realized how awful the results were and decided to just learn to fucking draw instead. Can you pyw?
>>7347739He's larping, and very bad at that.He's most likely trying to bait some powerful anon in this board to react. What I really dislike about these threads is it ends up crabbing literal beginners who genuinely want to learn. We should protect and support the beginners, it benefits US ALL.
>>7347745i genuinely cannot understand how a person would call no-ref a meme. like, I could imagine maybe there are more realistic styles where no-ref isn't as useful because it will miss the level of technical detail you want or something, but there are quite a lot of people that don't give a fk about that, who would benefit immensely from learning to draw without a ref.
>>7347746>>7347750This is the level that no reference for 18 years of practice can get you.
>>7347751is that ur work lel
>>7347751Oh, it's an esl that is confusing years and monthsHe meant he's been drawing on and off for 18 months.
>>7347754>>7347756This is my current level after 1 year of starting to study reference.
>>7347757do you have any drawing process video of your no-ref?
fuck off you retarded spammer
>>7347758https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-HOwD321FMThis is one of the few videos I have of me drawing a piece.
>>7347757Wow this is so fucking awful
>>7347760Get it right. FUCK OFF CRIS.
>>7347765uh how
>>7347795FUCK OFF CRIS
This is Cris' fifth active thread I think. How long until we get real moderation?
>>7348119retards keep bumping his threads.
>>7348249how good
>>7348249who says?
>>7347700>>7347718Photo bashing isn’t good?
>>7347750Are you alright?
>>7347751Let's see Homura.
>>7348214That's the man himself. Zombie bumping threads to keep them alive for months is just one of his things.
>>7348632
>>7347751>>7347757>>7347762i dunno there is something about his artstyle, that feels ugly.
If they're your photos or stock photos/photos distributed with the intention to be incorporated in other works, I don't see any problem with it from a morality standpoint. That said you'd probably be better off using your bash as a visual reference instead of tracing material
>>7348700Don’t give a genuine answer
>>7348700Okay maybe a genuine answer.
>>7348537if I drew heads like this anime I would have been crucified by /ic/
>>7348778It’s okay because the artist is Japanese so there is a double standard.
>>7348778>artist goy: -.->artist japanese: :OOO
>>7348778Even Hidamari Sketch?
>>7348785how many cubes did they have to draw before they could do this?
>>7348806They just drew.
>>7347765yeah i guess so
>>7347695Photobashing isnt as easy as Photo collage >:|
>>7348873Did you get much higher?
>>7347706>food analogy
>>7349013go ahead and point out what's wrong with an easily understandable and relatable analogy. this is the absolute dumbest fucking meme, and I hope you jump off a building you worthless waste of oxygen.
>>7349025Food analogies expose midwits
>>7349040True, the midwits point out that a food analogy was used thinking it makes them look intelligent.
>>7347695I'm gonna poop on your head and not tell you about it so you'll walk around all day with poop on your head and everyone will think you're extremely un-cool.
>>7349040>>7349044Well, Marmalade, say hey.
>>7347700how bad is photobashing
>>7347695cool. show us some photobashing you've done, anon
>>7348997ITS LIKE MERGING ALL OF THEM TOGETHER AND FILTERING THEM MANUALLY TO AVOID LOOKING LIKE ITS A PHOTO COLLAGE THIS MAINLY FOR BACKGROUND NOT CHARACTERS
>>7349044you are literally a midwit trying to fit in because the food analogies are infamous for having negative connotations with them here.
>>7349903start relaying
>>7350069>:|
>>7349063MANDOLAY SAY HAY
>>7349175SOME KIND OF MISTAKE
>>7349063Hey marmalademum
>>7351240HEY MARMALADE, SAY HEY
FUCK OFF CRIS (do your best~!)
>>7352440too late
>>7352440too sad
>>7352440too rad
>>7348785how many cubes
>>7347695I wish I could see into the future and copy good drawings that haven't been created yet.
>>7348817You can't "just draw" on digital. My strokes look like shit no matter what I do. On pencil you have more consistency so you can just draw.But even looking at that image for an example, the eyes are done with two quick strokes, its a habit they invented and is part of the style. If I draw two vertical lines for eyes, they will not look like that. They won't have any appeal to them. At the very second step I'm already failing.So "just draw" only works if your natural muscle memory is good. Thats like a frog telling a fish to just walk on land.
>>7357343How many works have you drawn this November? For me its 5 fimished arts and 24 studies of whole body, 12 anime heads, and 21 composition studeis.
>>735736720% of what I draw ends up in a final piece
>>7357368I've seen marvelous works that are drawn with a mouse without a tablet. So your excuses about the lines don't apply. Draw what you like as much as possible, compare the result with artists you like and try to understand where you see the biggest difference. Improve on that and repeat. And maybe then by Christmas this board will see something good from you.
>>7357381I'll try, sorry for crabbing
>>7357343all this nigga shit of an excuse just to not draw
>>7357343wow, literally that mental gymnastics pic
>>7348806well i mean, you just draw
>>7357343just draw my nigga
>>7347720combination move
>>7347749bad larp?
>>7357343Big man eh?
>>7348781Stop saying slurs, kike.
>>7347695It's not a meme. It just takes an incredible amount of work and practice.There are lots of videos of pro artists doing full pieces from imagination though, so it's not a meme.
>>7363523u sure
>>7364138IMPOSSIBLE
>>7347760>>7347795so loony to me how cris whines endlessly about AI because he's literally too retarded/poor/both to set up stable diffusion but this one retard insists that he uses it. nigger if he was using AI his posts would not look the way they still do after a decade
>>7364963he does use AI tho
>>7365216when
>>7357343JUST DRAW
JUST DRAW YOU SONVUBITCH
>>7352440Cris will be The New Messiah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHLsolltIJ8
>>7366105based
>>7366105Return of the king.
>>7364963He’s doing king shit
>>7367405and this is the motherfuckin' thanks he gets?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Vdo22E640
>>7347751stay on model next time
>>7366105i should draw more castlevania
>>7347751madoca madofoca
>>7371122MADOFOCA???
>>7366105NEW CRISSIAH
>>7373164Crissiah sounds hardcore
NEW CRISSIAH
>>7369617Don’t
