It took me 5 days to draw pic related and I thought It'll never get finished when I draw it. Like it felt impossible to finish.Everyday I spent minimum 4 hours on itHow do the Japs deal with making 16 pages of this shit per week???
>>7355043They have assistants, editors, and publishers that help them streamline the process while also drawing more than 4 hours a day.
>>7355043I'm sorry but your taste in coom material is shit.
>>7355043Japanese comics typically don't have this type of shading. They use simpler shading techniques.
>>7355043Because you're not only drawing several illustrations, but they also have to relate to each other and flow in not only a coherent way but an original and interesting way too. Changing one little thing in one drawing will force you to make changes everywhere else. Its easy to get roadblocked too, you can't scrap something or change the angle of something if you can't draw it because that changes the entire page and you have to start from scratch, so you power through the hard stuff.
>>7355043You have terrible fucking workflow and not thinking about line economy and waste time on trying to render. Watch manga artists workflow
Huh, this piece reminds me of Allbeatnik for some reason, I wonder what he is up to->check his profile>see OP's picAh.
They're just really good. More skilled than you realize.
>>7355043If you were aiming for full Japanese on your own, manga is not just the typical good illustration but monochrome As others had put it, it has its efficient style that's fundamentally circling around distinguishability, printableness, and conservation of artist energy thorough the whole work (so the lion's share of energy budget can be spent on all the moneyshot pages and panels that don't feel out of touch with the average panel)
>>7355043Glad to know I'm not the only one.>>7355090Thus sums it up.
>>7355043>How do the Japs deal with making 16 pages of this shit per week???
>>7355388They hire assistants, so that they don't need to work alone. DUH!
>>7355388Are Japs insane or are Western comic artists just lazy?
>>7356190japs are just insane, mangakas usally die in their 60s due to their life style
>>7356190Western comic artists work hard too, that's just how the medium is. A weekly schedule is another level of crazy though, yes.>>7356196Stop perpetuating meme info. No, mangaka don't "usually" die in their 60s. What's true is that the life expectancy of a mangaka is lower than the average citizen. It's a stressful job and that takes its toll.
>>7355388my god storyboarding sucks so muchwhat kind of fucking retard draws 16 pages of comic per weekare japs retarded
>>7355043You need more practice. Its just that.Then you get used to it and also get faster.
>>7355048Not all of them do. Some of them also have other jobs while creating comics.
>>7356190Yes, the japanese are really autistic, which is why wonderful things like manga and anime can exist and flourish over there.
>>7356190>Are Japs insane orInsane, inefficient and prone to do things on the fly. They often don't stick to a guideline or routemap when writing so the story/characters change millions of times, meaning lots of hours spent on rewriting back and forth with the editor.
>>7356594>They often don't stick to a guideline or routemap when writing so the story/characters change millions of timesSo, they aren't NPCs?
>>7356594Source for literally any of that?
>>7356190I'm pretty sure most western artists would be okay with it if it meant they would have almost 100% creative liberty and 50% ownership of the IP with a massive corporation facilitating advertising ads and adaptations to other mediums for you. In the west your only option is to wageslave for capeshit and nothing else, of course people will just trace pictures and AI when going for that.
>>7356597His source is that it happened one time to akira toriyama when writing the cell saga. then just says every mangaka does it
>>7356627stop being retarded, seeing you spam this retarded shit in every thread is annoying
>>7356627What AI are you talking?
>>7356190I guarantee you this is like an invoice schedule. Japanese people are generally inefficient, especially if this is the common schedule. At most they will probably stack out 14 hours of work a day, that only 6 of them are passable. For example, look at that Sunday-Monday Storyboard block. It's likely there's at least 4-6 more sleeping blocks after the two sleeping blocks, that huge storyboard block is likely "pitch us this week's chapter by the time the editor's arrive, you have extra time after sleeping to work on it, or you can crunch it and push back your sleep a little."It's likely there's extra blocks of sleep there that the mangaka (or their manager/editor/etc) charge to the producer. Always remember, the Japanese are constantly clocking in hours but are generally inefficient for that very reason.
>>7355043what would be a good workflow for making a comic?
>>7355043>How do the Japs deal with making 16 pages of this shit per week???They have a lot of assistants, the Gantz artist had 10 assistants at some point.The average is 4 and 5 assistants tho.one assistant draw the background, more like trace photo references but still, another assistant paint the grayscale tones, other do the lettering, other do the balloons, other do inking, other help drawing characters like that Naruto assistant that went on to draw Boruto.
>>7357622>the Gantz artist had 10 assistants at some point.which is crazy since gantz literally looks like paper cutouts pasted on top of a filtered photo
>>7356190japs are insane but most manga actually aren't these entirely illustrated masterpieces that we like to think them astypically you aren't seeing that many backgrounds in the weekly ones, lots of shot reverse shot, not much shadingbut at the bare minimum your typical mangaka can pretty much draw their characters at any typical angle comfortably
>>7357644>>7357622gantz also had heavy use of 3d models when that tech was still starting out i imagine lots of his assistants were just fucking with those things and placing them in correct compositions
>>7355043I just drew picrel on my phone with my fingers, it took me around 20 minutes.
>>7358105Holy shit, mogged.
>>7358105Why is Aang there?
>>7355043I thought that was Super Mario in the thumbnail
>>7358105Top kuark.Unironically kino.
>>7358105H-HE'S ZASED
>>7358105>>7358114>Why is Aang there?Because OP is bald and Aang is bald... The real reason is because drawing hair with fingers is slow and painful, I can do it but this is just a bullshit manga so meh.>Here's a soulless remake of that panel
>>7355043Five days of your time was worth it to me because I jacked off to her thighs. Good job.
>>7355043>5 dayson thatlmao
>>7357622sauce on pic i dont recall him from gantz
>>7358642>sauce on pic Succubus one shot that just came out, look it up on Mangadex>i dont recall him from gantzHe's not from Gantz lmao
>>7358756majime succubus hiragi-san?Captcha:MANG0H
>>7355043This took you 20 hours because you were agonizing over it and haven't gotten to the level of skill where you could draw it in a fraction of that time.
>>7356596>refusing to plot out your story makes you an NPCThis dumbass comment might hold a sliver of value if JP artists weren’t infamous for being comically incompetent at sticking endings, even for million dollar IPs.Ultimately what weebs don’t realize is that western media becoming dogshit over the past 15ish years did not magically make JP media any good. Or to put it in other words, McDonalds is much preferable to eating out of a dumpster, but it’s still slop compared to actual food.
>>7356190It's both
>>7359013God, you're a long-winded faggot. When you're writing a lengthy serialized story, there will inevitably be significant changes to how the story unravels, no matter how much planning you've done beforehand. If you ever actually created shit, especially a serialized work, you would know that.
If you want to make high quality content like that you need assistance. If you're solo, do very simple shading techniques, use AI for backgrounds etc.
>>7358941>majime succubus hiragi-san?Nope it's:>Inma No Tenteki / The Succubus's Enemy
>>7359013>McDonalds is much preferable to eating out of a dumpster, but it’s still slop compared to actual foodMost weebs agree with you, anime is trash but like you said the real problem is that western stories are even worse than trash nowadays.Wokeflix ruined western entertainment and alienated half of the world population.Anime is for everyone, while western entertainment is only for minorities.>INB4>Anime is for malesThere's plenty of anime aimed at females, specially fujoshis, romance, hot guys, etc.
>>7360029oh thank u
How much do you have to pay assistants to work on your comic
>>7355043For one, you're inexperienced. Draw more and often then you'll gain speed.For two, You didn't use screen tones. You painted this picture in grayscale. Thats not how manga is made, and that takes just as much time as it would if you were to color it.
>>7360334>For two, You didn't use screen tones. You painted this picture in grayscale. Thats not how manga is madeDo you not look at digital doujinshi at all? You don't need to use screentones. I see a lot of artists switch between using it or not depending on how the work is published
>>7360334retarded post
>>7355043Japan manga's shortest deadline is 1 week. Most weekly manga is 19 pages long. better train anon!
>>7360029He's just like me fr
>>7360378Yeah, its ugly and its still going to take more time doing it that way.>>7360390Okay, dont draw more and gain experience, faggot.
>>7355043>How do the Japs deal with making 16 pages of this shit per week???It depends on your style, but generally doing 1 page per day should be enough. That's very doable, just requires a lot of practice.
>>7360913I don't think it takes more time otherwise they'd only ever use screentones. There's really not much different between drawing a shape to do a flat color or drawing a shape to fill in a screen tone. Why Would they bother if it took more time? The speed lies with whether it's simplistic or notAnd yeah I agree with you that it doesn't look as good but that type of rendering is extremely popular for digital now
>>7358105alright, thats a nice storyboard. now draw the comic page>I dont want tothen you didn't prove anybody wrong
>>7360927Its true that it would take the same amount of time to lay down grays as it would a screentone with blocking out sections to house the selection, but what takes more time is rendering it the way OP did with his blending in shadows and light. Not to mention over using the gray tones when he could have just left somethings to inking black and white.Your inks should be the shadows and for highlights you can make quick strokes to erase parts of the screentone. Why I prefer screentone is that the computer gray is flat and lifeless until you go in fully rendering a value painting.You may see a lot of fan arts or doujins using OPs method, but you wont see it as often in official works like in jump unless its for a promotional work.
>>7360913The art in the OP looks great I dunno what your faggot ass is babbling about
>>7356506Yes. but they also have different deadlines and schedules.
>>7361428alright, enjoy the long hours dumbass.
>>7355043Just nutted to those delicious Hex thighs uohhh
>>7355388>all this sacrifice to produce soulless derivateve japslop #25373936283
>>7356190Both
Why haven't you learned digital efficiency techniques?
