I saw a tweet about art school students not improving past eighteen. That seems a little too early, surely there are artists who improved later in life, right?

>>7356458
Yes, are you dumb?

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I am rage. I am fury.

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>draw bad
>still get paid to draw
>enjoy it

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>draw face
>looks okay
>flip canvas
>looks like shit
>”””fix””” issues
>flip canvas
>looks like shit
>”””fix””” issues
>flip canvas
>looks like shit
>look at faces drawn by artists i like in a similar angle
>check the actual human skull
>”””fix issues”””
>flip canvas
>looks like sh

>>7356458
just curious. whats your education level?

>>7356459
>>7356692
Don't be mean, I was just bummed out

>>7356823
Just proving their point. Only a retard would get bummed out by a random tweet that is obviously wrong.

Its astounding how bad I am on digital. Everything I draw looks like a page from a coloring book.

I posted a drawing on both pixiv and deviantart but for some reason pixiv has a much better like to view ratio on this particular piece and I don't know why

It has 25 views and 6 favorites on pixiv but 230 views and 7 likes on deviantart. Is it the character choice or something? do certain characters do better on pixiv vs deviantart?

I will draw tomorrow. I just don't have it in me today to draw for hours.

>>7357444
Pixiv counts the view when the thumbnail is clicked, Deviant Art counts the view when the thumbnail is visible to the user. So in Pixiv you know the person has clicked your work to view it while in Deviant Art you only know how many people has seen the thumb nail in their home feed or in search feed. For example my average view in Pixiv is about 1000-3000 while in Deviant Art the views are in 10k-30k

>>7357474
ah I didn't know that, cool to learn I guess. It explains why some of my art has much higher views on deviantart compared to pixiv while having pretty similar like counts

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>>7356667
This is only happening because you dont want to line things up with a ruler or digital equivalent (aka a ruler).

Learn the alignments on the anatomy specifically. Its not hacky to use construction/guide lines, even as a pro.

>general venting is not allowed now
thanks jannies!

>>7357340
When i draw traditionally i can get one image out every day, with digital it's like one image per week

I hate it when I look back at my drawings and realise how inadequate they all are and I come here for solutions but get even more stressed out
>>7357340
so true, doing digital just makes me not wanna draw

almost every time I think I've made significant progress, I end up getting jealous of other artists who are more successful than me and it kills my passion for art. I can clearly see the divide, whether it's their skill, style, commission frequency, or the positive attention they get, there's something I wish I had and it can make me sick ruminating about it. even though I know they have up to a decade's worth of experience over me, have worked hard and networked to get where they are, and ultimately deserve their success, I can't help but compare and hate my art and myself for all I lack. it also doesn't help that I started late in life and my drawing time is limited, so any failure or delay on my part is that much more impactful since I'm already so far behind. I've even considered finding a less demanding and paying job just so I have more time to draw because I want to reach my art goals asap, or else I feel like I'm never going to get there. I hate that I have this weak, jealous mindset and it's embarrassing to admit, but I keep falling back to it even though I know it's only hurting any potential to succeed. it's so much easier said than done to not be crushed by the overwhelming apathy, I don't know how to get over it

>>7358690
If you're anything like me, you're a rush drawer who gets frustrated by your own expectations of yourself and ends up hating whatever comes out on the page. Maybe pyw so we can see where you're at, but I'll go ahead anyway.

If you want to improve faster, focus on drawing slowly and mindfully. It takes a lot of brain power to build up and maintain the concentration required of top tier artists. But learning to draw properly while being deliberately slow-handed turns it into a physical issue rather than a mental one, from which you can learn to put more feeling behind your drawings than just yourf haste to reach your goals.

Definitely limit distractions like music and social media. Sleep properly. Dropping sugar really helped steady my focus, otherwise I'd get distracted by my own heartbeat. Just fix the extraneous things as best you can so that you make the most of your time.

I get that work cuts things short, but force yourself to draw slowly, enjoy the process, and appreciate whatever comes out of each session.

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>>7356346
I haven't drawn in 2 days. Yet I feel as if I had wasted years... Today, I shall draw!

my sfw submission doodles have gained 50 views in one day on pixiv. what are good numbers to get on sfw stuff?

>>7358806
thanks for taking the time to answer earnestly. This issue has been festering for awhile now and I know it won't end well unless it's fixed.

>Maybe pyw so we can see where you're at
Sorry, but the only work I have right now is identifiable to people I talk to regularly who use this site. I really am embarrassed to have this problem, so I'm posting anonymously here.

>If you're anything like me, you're a rush drawer who gets frustrated by your own expectations of yourself and ends up hating whatever comes out on the page.
Not exactly, but I appreciate the perspective. I take forever to finish any piece (1-3 weeks for full pieces, 1-2 days for refined sketches) due to the lack of time and experience I have. I know I've at least gotten faster and improved since I first started, but my frustration usually comes after I finish something I'm proud of. I might ride a high for a bit, but after that wears off, I see what real success looks like from the same artists I talk to on a daily basis: efficiency, high quality, depth of knowledge, large interest and demand, etc. They really are on another level than me, so it's hard to share my work without feeling a bit patronized.

>the rest
good advice. I usually just have music on if anything, but work has and will be rough for awhile, so my sleeping and eating habits haven't been the best. I'll give it all an honest shot to fix those areas.

>>7358898
Now I REALLY wanna see your art.
Nah its cool. I usually hit something in my ramblings, but the fact that you're acquainted with these artists is not something I've experienced. Just don't be too hard on yourself. Whatever goals you're aiming at, Im sure you'll reach them in time. Good Luck.

>>7358808
Amazing

Now that Teump pres, how long until GOP puts all NSFW behind age verification.

>>7356834
neuroplasticity is a scientific truth you utter troglodyte

>>7358808
Great work anon

>>7359085
yeah, and so is the lolocaust... lol

>>7357444
From my limited experience.
DeviantArt likes cutesy "pin-ups"
(cute thing standing in place)
Pixiv is better for more complex works.

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>>7358923
>>7359100
That picrel ain't mine guys... this one neither

I think I'm entering a manic cycle. I'm so fucking pumped. I feel my visualization becoming easier. Ideas are flooding my mind. AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, THE NOTHING IS BEYOND REACH BITCH. BIPOLAR HOMIES, WE LIVE FOR THIS.

>draw something
>it sucks
>it sucks because of shitty composition
>can't fix it mechanically
>just have to eat the time loss and move on with whats left of my my limited lifespan
you have to be insane to draw

man I hope Elon doesn't revert the hidden likes change on twitter because I've been liking a lot of posts about how Latinos voting for Trump makes sense and how people are acting stupid for wishing Moo Deng to die because it did a meme election pick video etc

>>7359398
My habits did not change with the likes. I still bookmark extreme raunchy porn and off-topic stuff.

>>7359402
bookmarks were always been hidden, weren't they?

>>7359406
Yes so if he were to revert the likes nothing would change. I also use private lists to follow people.

>>7359085
actually do read about neuroplasticity and you'll see that the tweet is abysmally retarded

>>7356562
> being competent is capitalist
god i hate illiterate morons so much

Wohoo. Someone commented on my drawing

>>7359407
>I also use private lists to follow people.
whats the difference from normally following people?

>>7360319
They don't know you're "following" them if you have them in a list and not in your following.

Creates a separate feed dedicated to creators in the list, no recommended shit, but it still shows their retweets

>>7358808
I read somewhere that if you skip one day, only you will know, if you skip two days, other artists will know, and if you skip three days, normies/strangers will know

>>7360389
I skip weeks without drawing sometimes

My thumb's been hurting for a week, but I love drawing everyday, what do?

>>7356562
I'm not disciplined enough to get good at something I don't like and make a living doing it, I NEED to monetize at least one of my hobbies.

what are some good numbers to get on SFW art on pixiv. view and bookmark wise

I'm tired of being tired. I just want to draw ffs

girlfriend is making an art booth with some friends and wants me to submit my art too.
feels bad cause im bad and im just going to be embarrassed with it in there.

>>7356562
>Be bad at a hobby

I play the recorder fairly average/below average and I have no desire of taking it seriously, I just like playing my favorite video game music while watching sythesia vids it's kind of like guitar hero.

But I respect art too much for it to be my hobby and I do not treat it as such, I clock in daily, track my time and invest in it. If I'm not hitting my deadlines I see what I need to adjust or learn to get there and I definitely don't let how I'm feeling get in the way.

i notice i'm sometimes afraid to draw because i can't get my childhood dreams out of my head. i really wanted to become an animator kek, or a character designer. every time i come home from my soulless tech job and start studying i have this weird sense of being in my perfect life. of course i'm just daydreaming, but it hurts

I just realized today i can disable touch in csp (ipad) not only with the gestures but the entire interface…so now i don’t have to worry about my palm pressing into the menus anymore. Feels right at home with my wacom.

>draw one girl that's ever so slightly chubby
>suddenly 50 ultra-sssbbbww fat xxl vore hyper burp fetish freaks in my notifications
Fuck off

Drawing on paper is great for making improvement. If I fuck up with pen/marker it motivates me to do a second full attempt after finishing the first rather than being able to just erase and redo sections on a digital canvas

How do people draw for 8+ hours every day? I can't do more than a hour and a half. I will never be good at this rate

>>7361563
Work up to it. Aim for 1.5 hrs consistently as your bare minimum

I have to overcome the hurdle that is having time to draw, but not actually drawing. I could go for 4 hours a day when I don't have any work to do, but I go for 1, sometimes 2 at most.

>>7359402
>>7359406
Do websites really record what you bookmark in browser?

do artists not minding agreeing to twitter's update to give their tacit agreement to free use of their artworks in AI algorithms ?

>>7362559
Nothing matters, don't worry about anything, none of these matters at all. Absolutely nothing.

>>7362562
I'm just surprised I can't find articles about it, I don't notice a significantly different activity on my feed, and I couldn't even find an /ic/ thread about it skimming through the catalog. I'm planning to freeze my account even though in my case it's more symbolic than anything

>>7362565
Shhhhhh nothing matters, rid yourself of this unnecessary stress.

>>7362528
Maybe deep within the ToS if you check the little box “send my info to help Mozilla dev team in case of a crash”. It’s the bookmark feature on Twitter and I don’t think the artist gets notified when someone bookmarks something. They do get notified if they’re put on a public list.

>>7362528
the websites can't know. only hint hey get is that referrer is missing, so it looks like you typed it into the url bar. unless you're thinking about some addon that manages your bookmarks, that is, in which case data is most likely being sold off to someone.

>started doing art to cope with depression, have fun and do cool things
>realized that you are talentless, boring, mediocre, you have nothing to say, and art is not for you, none of your family had anything to do with art, and so you are, you just waste your time
>depression deepens

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I am autistic about a very specific thing and whenever I draw something related to it, more often than not I get discouraging replies about it. Meanwhile, there's this /fag/anon that is way more autistic than I about his specific thing and he gets his autism encouraged instead?
No shade to my fellow /fag/anons, but what the shit. So much for not sticking to a general, I suppose.

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>all draws made with the same premise
>all draws posted at the same time
>only one of them rose up in numbers
Rosafags are a powerful force within the website lmao.

i've noticed that i keep opening my folder of drawings and skim through them from time to time, several times a day in worst cases. i don't try to figure out my previous flaws, it's just like an autistic mental masturbation and i'm starting to worry.
thank you for attending my ted talk.

>>7361563
they're spending 8 hours on a figure that takes you 30 minutes

>>7362658
The consequence of not doing it like a flat garbage.

>>7362686
well my point is spending a long time on one thing is less mentally taxing than studying different things and drawing different pieces in that same amount of time.

>>7362787
that guy is being rude for no reason but you're being schizo. most people also do quick figures in addition to long studies. there's a reason why people time their figures, lots of koreans/japanese animators post 5 mins figures online and they're all incredible. and better to do quick sketches before the long study so you dont realize you polished a turd 4 hours in

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I'm getting tired of getting nothing but criticism. I miss the days when people would compliment my beg art and I would believe in them. I would bekieve I was good. Now this board has ruined me and everytime I draw something all I hear is a "this is beg" inside my head.

>>7363503
If that's your art, then yes that is turbo /beg/.
If you practice and learn and get better then you won't be /beg/ anymore, so try doing that.

>>7363518
It's mine but it's very old and it was a very low effort drawing. My current stuff is way better but I'm not ready to hear anyone call it beg as I know you will, so don't even ask me to post it cause I won't.

>>7363525
That's fine you don't have to post anything else.
I have been trying and failing to learn how to draw for 6 years and I'm still /beg/. I know how painful it is. So when I call other people "/beg/" I'm not saying anything that doesn't apply to myself too. I'm just being honest.
I do still have some faith that I'll be able to make it some day. I hope you make it too.

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>>7363526
Thanks anon. We're all gonna make it.

I need to fix an issue I am having where I wake up 2-3 hours too early and can't go back to bed. I have to rush and draw first thing in the morning because I know I will feel shit and unfocused by noon due to sleep deprivation.

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>>7363503
I understand how you feel, anon. This board does something to you whether you see it coming or not, it did things to me as well. You got to stop giving the board, embodied as an /ic/ guy stuck in your head, power over you. Bear in mind this place is full of crabs and nitpicky twats that will always find something to bitch at you, not everyone, but most people are like this. Use that thought to remind yourself to not bother pleasing the "/ic/ guy", allowing you to draw for yourself and have fun while you're at it.

Af for the compliments part... This may be harsh, but I see your works and you dont have much going on, other than being /beg/. Im not dissing on you for that or anything, its just that, if you want compliments, you must have something that speaks to people and you dont have much at the moment. Just be patient and focus on grinding at your own pace, you will get to the point that people will find themselves complimenting your works even if it has its flaws. I should know, I was there too.

Good luck, anon.

man I have ZERO confidence when I draw. Every line I wrench out of my hand is just me desperately begging for something good.

>>7363972
Are you sure you know about my work? I thought you couldn't tell which anon I am from that pic

>>7363994
not that anon but are you that manga guy who drew the cat girl frying eggs? because i agree with his sentiment. you're far from the worst artist on the board, but people usually give /begs/ compliments to encourage them to get better and to point out the positives in their work. it doesn't mean they're not /beg/, but being /beg/ doesn't mean you're dogshit and should give up.

So John, have you been been doing any painting?

>>7363994
Actually Im not quite sure. Though I think I've seen you every once in a while. Pyw, again?

today's a "Stare at the wall for 8 hours" day

>>7364033
Ngmi day

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>stuck at work camp for 3 weeks
>single room with 4 beds
>working outside from 5AM to 4:30PM
>In 45°C weather
>work at 3:30AM tomorrow
>trying to draw on my tablet but I'm so tired I can't do anything but layouts
I wonder if life ever gets better.
Does it?
I feel like I want to kill myself sometimes but I can't draw my comics in the grave.

>>7363503
the thumbnail is cute at least imo. if you improved the line quality it'd be really great.
>tired of critique
I've gotten to the annoying opposite end where I post stuff for genuine feedback and just get some :heart:s/likes/compliments and it's frustrating sometimes because I know there's faults in the piece I'm not skilled enough to fix...

>>7363503
when people praise my art I assume they're gaslighting

>>7364001
Fuck... Yeah, that's me.
>being /beg/ doesn't mean you're dogshit and should give up
I'm not giving up. But I have a goal and being beg won't get me there. So until I master fundamentals and learn how to draw appealing art like authors I look up to, I won't be satisfied and will feel like a failure. I'm not asking for compliments if there are none to be given. That's fine. I get it. I was just venting really...

>draw something I'm proud of
>Next few drawings look like dogshit
Every time

>>7361398
better your scraps of food in the attention market than the void being filled with slop.

>tutor tells me to use charcoal for the month
>go to a live model drawing session
>it goes so poorly the artist overseeing everyone doesn't even comment on my sketches

I know I'm bad, but holy shit. Can I blame charcoal for this one?

>>7364524
>Can I blame charcoal for this one?
Nope, there is no one to blame. You're exactly right where you're meant to be. We alll have to start somewhere. Keep going and don't stop.

I feel like I have the exact opposite of art block. There's so many characters and things I want to draw.

Another night of failure and suffering.
Anyway how are you guys doing?

>>7364739
Doodling and not learning anything, I'm thinking its over.

Is drawing really just one of the hardest things you can learn?
I can’t think of another field where so many people struggle with the basics for so long.

>>7364834
Learning guitar is pretty hard too. You can a learn a single very quickly with a teacher, but actually mastering techniques and being able to play whatever you feel like in the moment is something most people aren't capable of

>>7364847
A single song*

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I think I'm gonna test the waters and try doing comissions next year. I'll have to learn how to paint properly and practice more dynamics poses and angles. If I actually make money from it, I will finally buy a tablet. I'd have to take a break from my manga too... I hope I have improved more until then.

I'm beginning to see improvements in my drawings and I want to ink some of them, but when I use a ballpoint pen, the graphite from the draft sticks to to the ink and I have to either apply excessive force or do multiple passes per line. As I understand the problem is with the pen itself, so if I were to use something else, what would that something be? Ideally I want something that would, once the ink dries, allow me to erase the pencil marks.

Also, I can't believe it took me almost a year to start feeling this way about my drawings :/

Has anyone tried Swedish Death Cleaning their art? I am going through my traditional art and have already thrown away my lewd sketches. Next week, I should scan my favorite beg sketches and throw them away. Currently, I have 5 boxes, I plan to frame my best works and leave one box of sentimental art. The thought of someone else throwing my art away after my death angers me, but I can't blame them there is so much shit. Instead, I decided to do it myself. I never look back at my old drawings anyway, so it should not be too hard. The hardest part is looking at my art all at once, I realize I haven't accepted my disease and am still grieving myself.

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Just how do people maintain more than one creative hobby at a time?
I just finished a long commission and I feel like the fatigue of it is preventing me from drawing and it's pushing me to write instead. Before that, I couldn't bring myself to write because I was deep into drawing.

It's like a hourglass where I have to wait for the respective side to empty in order to properly get into one hobby or the other. Currently I'm at the "writing side" of the hourglass.
I'm going to take the chance to actually finish my fanfic's chapter 4 and possibly complete it, but man, I wish I could easily swap between hobbies.

>draw
>ctrlZ
>draw
>ctrlZ
>draw
>ctrlZ
phew, that's my mandatory hour of drawing for the day! Lets see the magnificent piece I comp-

>>7364857
Use archival ink like everybody else. Like Sakura Microns.

>>7365086
>Just how do people maintain more than one creative hobby at a time?

It's called prioritization. If you decided this quarter to focus on drawing until you reach a certain point (something like until my eyes look better, or I've leveled up my understanding of lighting) You can work on that for the majority of your free time then only write to maintain the skill. So 3+ hrs drawing and max 1hr writing, then if you feel that writing needs more attention you can flip it. You can also have themed days- which I'm not a fan of because I like to be obsessed in whatever I'm working in but people do so. Maybe one day you're not really feeling like drawing no matter what you do, that's a perfect chance to switch to writing see what comes out.

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>>7364066
>3AM today
>Baking in the sun for 12 hours
>Back at the work camps at 3PM
>There's no water
I think I aught to just kill myself already.
Is life like this really worth living? Stuck in a shithole desert nation, not allowed to leave (by law).
I just want enough time in the day to draw. That's all I want yet it feels impossible.

I'm so immensely jealous of people living in beautiful, temperate/cool countries with freedom and rights and human fucking dignity

>>7365144
ah fuck, I forgot about those. Thanks mate

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Can we have just one website for artists that isn't so censorship heavy? It feels like the Internet in regards to content moderation is split in two opposite sides that are completely divorced from each other. On major sites like Pinterest, YouTube, Twitter, deviantART, (even Pixiv), having access to your account is left up to chance until you ultimately lose your account for violating some arbitrary rule in the ToS. I just lost my Pinterest account because I saved a pin in my collection that "promoted self-harm," whatever that means. On the other end of the spectrum, a lot of websites that have little moderation are porn websites, but I'm not a porn artist. I want an art website where all can be welcomed without having the need to walk on eggshells because they might get banned. Maybe it's just impossible for edgelords and normalfags to be in the same place? I don't know, if all other options fail I'll just make my own website.

>>7365868
I was also banned from Pinterest, so I started using Bing for reference images. They do not give a FUCK what you look at or save. There's no social aspect to it, though, if that's what you're looking for.

>>7365861
That sucks, it's cold here 33F/ 1C had a great workout in the brisk air. What makes you still want to draw rather than learn something to get you out of there?

>>7365868
I think Cara is an ok one but its kind of a portfolio site more than anything

>>7356346
>reply to multiple people with a critique of their art, including really minor things for people that haven't gotten any replies
>include image of my drawing
>only reply is a guy asking me to critique his stuff too
What the fuck is even the point of coming here

>>7365914
Cara might be okay but as you mentioned it's more of portfolio site rather than a gallery site.

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>>7365890
>rather than learn something to get you out of there?
I'm from a small country. We don't have many locals, and so there isn't enough people enlisted usually.
To encourage more men to enlist (not just in the army, but also in the police/civil defense/national security) we're forcibly drafted in and made to be semi-military.
So I'm not allowed to find work outside my country, travel too often, get called in from my civilian job from time to time to eat some shit at a work camp... And this will go on until my old age.

Actual military personnel are treated with dignity and respect, I know a lot of guys that signed to avoid this treatment, but once you've signed they've got you by the balls. I'll never sign.

>rather than learn something to get you out of there?
I'm actually pretty well educated/skilled with some rare experience for my civilian job (senior lead engineer)... I could find a job anywhere but I'm legally not allowed to.
Like, it's "extradited to be judged in home country"-level.

Really, we're less than cattle in this country and there's not much I can do about it

>>7365924
im assuming that guy who replied to you probably thinks you're better than him and wouldn't want to crit you. if you want, ask him for his feedback beforehand. as for the other people who didn't respond, don't waste time on them the next time they post

>>7365868
>>7365887
I got banned from Pinterest for saving nsfw. I made an appeal more than a month later, (I wanted to access a board so bad) basically admitting to my violations then promised to never save lewd images again. I never expected it to work but it did, they gave my acct back.

>go to art academy
>no training of any kind
>lessons consist of talking about what you made
>teachers are cryptic but charismatic boomers or cheerleader types
>they never really interfere, criticisms are never harsh
Seriously why the fuck is it like that. Who invented this type of education.

do you guys ever get bored of drawing the same shit? I mostly draw coom and I think I'm started to get tired of it

>>7366061
I went to art trade school and it was so brutal students would hide in the supply closet to cry between classes sometimes.
>8 hours a day of drawing
>Schedule is packed full of classes
>When youre not in class youre expected to work on a still life or portrait, when you finish it you are expected to immediately start a new one
>Ask teacher if it is finished
>"No you can push the values further. And you need to fix here here and here."
>If youre lucky, they will show you how to render and get distracted and zone out while drawing on your project so you get a break
>If you are suddenly unlucky, they will say "haha whoops got a bit distracted there" before blotting out what they just did with your kneaded eraser and then tell you to just redo what they did
>Will watch you fuck up or be stuck for a while
>Will literally let you do it wrong and ruin paper to prove a point instead of explaining it
>"See thats why you cant press hard with the lead. Get a new paper and start over!"
>All the other teachers are kind of crazy and each one assigns 1 to 4 hours of homework per night
>Most students just do their homeworks during the day instead of their main project all day

It was genuinely helpful but christ it was rough. It is a mistake to try to fit a trade into a college degree sort of program.

I got my diploma, I have a good job and draw as a hobby, but sometimes I get the itch to go to college and go for an art major or something crazy like that. Sounds like a terrible idea, but it'd be fun.

>>7366104
What country was that?

I don't want to draw today. I have to find/create references and that's going to take at least 30 minutes, and then I have to start constructing the drawing and that'll be another 30 minutes at least, so a solid hour of hardcore research and measuring before I can even begin drawing. Fuck that, I'm just going to edge to porn.

>>7366489
draw >>7365194

>>7366493
I don't have time to draw random crap like that

>>7366499
ngmi

>>7366104
dare I say PYW?

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I recently learned is less intimidating to draw if you actually set a time for it. For example, telling myself I should draw for an hour doesn't sound as bad as just saying "I will draw today" and it makes me realize how much can be done in only an hour.

how's that bluesky? you guys moved over there yet?

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>>7366874
No and I refuse to move until they implement posting with full quality or people find a way to bypass the quality loss. I cant afford getting my art's quality completely decimated by the quality compression.

>>7366924
no one gives a shit except you and AI faggots who are going to scrape you to replace you.

>>7366940
They had 2.5 years to scrape. The technology peaked. It's not going to get better.

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>>7366499

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>Forgot to wipe SD card on old phone
>Dad saw all my cringe permabeg drawings of anime guys and even put one as his phone background
I want to die

>>7367043
>and even put one as his phone background
HOLY based

>>7365861
Which country? Middle East?

>>7367043
Cool dad

>>7367043
cute and based

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>feel inspired to draw after seeing someone's fanart
>make a basic, albeit fun doodle
>post it as a Quote Retweet
>does numbers on its own and thanks to the OG artist RTing it
>go to sleep with 200+ likes and +10 more follows, only 30 more for the 2k
>wake up with 2k likes and roughly 40 follows *ahead* of the 2k
>tfw 2k follows now
Ayeeeeeeeeeeee

>>7367260
Post it

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>>7367272
served.

>When Christo moved to Paris, he continued to make what he later called "prostitution": painting portraits, which he signed only with his family name, "Javacheff."
Beats having a shitty office/factory job desu.

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>>7367043
I had something similar happen to me:
>I was a few months into drawing
>mostly just figure practice, but they look like caveman paintings done by an inebriated toddler
>talking to my dad, he asks to see some work
>"wow, these are amazing! I think this is really good! Especially the composition and blah blah blah..."
>eyeroll, he's just being supportive
>ff a week later
>"hey, anon, look what I got!"
>he took one of my shitty /beg/ level fig practice sheets, got it printed at a hobby store, and hung it on his wall for the world to see.
>"What do you think? I've been showing this off to everyone!"
>overwhelming dread
>he put it up in the dining room, front and center on a large, blank wall so you can't miss it at all. picrel
>countless family, friends, and random strangers have seen that shitty practice sheet
It's so embarrassing, but I don't have the heart to tell him how bad it really is.

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>trying to find body diversity guides
>most everything i encounter is “how to draw fatties”
not having a good time

>>7367374
Look at body shapes instead. Body diversity is code for fatties.

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>>7367372
At that point I'd treat my father something nice and give him affection for being awesome, cause that is a lot of commitment for it to be "just being supportive". Its not even about the practice being bad anymore, but about your father's actions, take those into account. I learned that when I saw mom so hellbent on getting one of my draws in a shirt, its not about the draw being mediocre, its about mom's genuine feelings towards it.

Come on, anon, treat your father a beer or something, he thinks you're GMI.

>>7367374
just look up ref packs, i primarily use skinny models but many of them have different proportions

>>7367391
I'm on the same page. for context, this all happened about a year ago and I tried to capture my feelings in the moment. he's been really supportive of my art no matter how good or bad it might be and I've shared my appreciation for him. if anything, I want to get better so he can put something really nice on the wall one day

>>7367391
This. Be happy your parents support you. My mom is super against it and it's not even my job, so I have to endure shitty passive-aggressive comments.

>>7367043
>>7367372
The amount of jealousy I feel for you to have a supportive and loving parent is immense.

>>7356562
Based. HOBBYCHADS STAY ON WINNING
Imagine stressing over social network numbers, building a portfolio, networking and all that shit to sustain yourself from art lol couldn't be me.

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>>7356346
I want to get attention from my drawings, I'm not conformed with 2 or 3 (You)'s who are more than likely just being rude to me. I want more pats on the back. Have always hated the bullshit of social networks but now I'm considering opening an account.

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>>7367372
>tfw raised fatherless
>mfw reading this
Treasure your old man, anon.

>>7367260
>>7367284
Glad to know you surpassed 2k, I'm proud of following you the other day in hopes you reached your goal before year's end. Congrats!

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Recently stumbled upon a jap yume's account drawing her niche husbando over and over again and I wanna do it too so bad but knowing my art every artwork will look like shit

>>7367440
>>7367467
shit, I just wanted to make a funny, not a feels, anons. I don't take my family for granted, I promise.

>>7367457
Make yourself Pixiv and DeviantArt accounts. If you tag your stuff people into the characters and subjects will find you and give follows, views, likes and comments

>>7367481
Do it anyways, you don't have to show it to anyone

>pretty productive for a few days straight
>"I'll just take a 1-day break to play this vidya"
>next thing I know it's been 3 weeks since I last drew
bruh

>>7367532
this is why you do both. i restrict my gaming to fridays/the weekend when i know i have enough time to draw and game comfortably, e.g. can game for five hours straight then draw for two.

i guess it helps that my taste is pretty pretentious and i can’t enjoy everything kek

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>looking forward to the weekend to draw
>got diarrhea from the company cafeteria
>spent all Thursday night running back and forth from bed to toilet
>Now seated on the shitter with a splitting headache and a Pocari Sweat waiting for work to start.
It's not fucking fair

>>7367892
Sounds awful anon. Never eat from there again

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Everything I drew this year was complete garbage.
I thought I had a grasp on things and could start drawing with more confidence, but looking back this year, everything that wasn't a study was a complete flop. I hate looking at them. I'm worried I'm getting too old to go back and relearn everything I thought I knew and essentially start over, but I need to get out of this ugly phase.

>posted something perfectly non-sexual on pixiv
>it gets rated, probably because lines indicating breasts under clothes were to strong
Well, time to get even more anxious about accidentally making too lewd art.

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>>7368294
Similar problem here. I fell in love with figure drawing when I took a life drawing class and it really changed how I see myself and the body in general. I love small things like creases and folds, the way muscles change shape with extension and flexion, how everything is connected into one whole. What I hate though is having to censor or tag my figures as "NSFW," which puts my work in the same category as gay furry porn. I thought we got over fig-leaf censorship. It's annoying and I wish we had alternative art websites or different levels of moderation to help with these distinctions.

>was excited to get home from work to draw
>everything i did was slop
man

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>>7368308
your painting raises the issue. How do you make an image host of any kind that allows nudity in art but doesn't allow obscenity? I mean, your painting shows nude underage boys. How do you tell if it's art or CSAM?

picrel even the MET had to go on the defensive because censors wanted it taken down

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>>7368372
>How do you tell if it's art or CSAM?
It's really not that difficult. Justice Stewart said: "I know it when I see it" and I think he's right in what he said. Pixiv has three categories for tagging nudity and sexual imagery: "Safe," "Moderate," and "Explicit." "Moderate" is just another way of defining nude or sexual imagery that isn't explicit - so unfortunately figure drawings can be lumped in with erotic pin-up drawings. The problem (I think) is an issue of moderation and putting all tagging all "nude" works as "sexual" because so many of us are used to equating nudity with sexuality when that just isn't true. This is also a major issue with CSAM in art because someone may want to paint a nude Ganymede or Cupid, but that doesn't make that person a "shotacon." As for the painting you posted, I don't know the intention of the artist nor have I seen their other works, but the gap between the legs with the contrast of the light and shadow is painted in a way to draw attention to the viewer, so it definitely does seem suspicious.

>>7368294
Someone recently did that to half the Images in my SFW pixiv gallery just because they featured a girl it seems

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>>7367477
Cheers, man. Im honestly surprised I made it to the milestone so quickly and with 140+ followers ahead of it. The difference is not going to be much, I wager, but we'll see how this goes.

>>7356667
dont flip it
ftfy

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>>7366940
Late, but...
>no one gives a shit except you and-
Correct, and because I give a shit, I am not moving because I cant afford getting my art absolutely annihilated by Bluesky's quality compression.

>>7369187
Why are you even posting?

>>7369214
>Why are you even posting?
That's the thing, I don't! Not on Bluesky anyway...

>offhandedly post a screencap of my arts and crafts folder
>someone asks for more info about a few of them
>out of all that list it's literally the only ones that aren't my ideas, some are just straight up redraws
i'm not trying to chase numbers here, but what the fuck

why is it that when someone compliments my art I feel great for a few days then change my mind and think my art is garbage

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>Make a drawing
>Think it sucks ass
>Come back to it next day
>"Hmm... Looks pretty decent actually"
What is this? Reverse Dunning-Kruger?

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>>7367892
It was worse than I ever imagined
>1.5hr drive home becomes 3hrs bc of rest stops for the bathroom and just resting from the fever
>spent FIVE hours in the ER with a bunch of IV drips and doing blood tests and other samples
>was written like 15 pills to take daily until this shit wears off
>went to see the GI specialist the day after and he was shocked and how insanely high my inflammatory markers were
>asked me if I was fed a scorpion or something
I've got a lot more labs to run after this too holy fuck.

>>7367915
I don't think I have the option, but I'll try. I HAVE to eat breakfast and sometimes lunch depending on work.
Getting some grub, it's about an 30mins drive to get off company land and to the nearest restaurant. So an hour for dinner.
Probably worth it though, fuck this.
Don't ever let anyone tell you slavery is dead. It's alive and well.

I'm so confused by people who draw the western anime semi-realism style but barely get any better. How do you draw 2000+ finished images without at least learning how the fucking clavicle works or that the deltoids are not just orbs. It makes sense for people who draw cartoon blobs to not improve but how do you draw an actual human body and not bother to learn the shape of the ribcage and pelvis?

>brain: You're not gonna let me scroll social media? Then I'm making you hate everything you draw

>>7370781
based brain

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>open art process video to see how the artist constructs things
>the "sketch" is already done before the video starts

>>7370789
/pro/ artists don't want you to know that they too redraw the same arm 30 times trying to get it to not look like ass.

A solid community of artists seems like a chimera, struggling to find a discord that is actually regularly active, people post art trying to improve, and doesn't require to be a pro just to join. It's like a "pick one and only one of these" meme

I can't decide if I wanna draw coom again next or if I wanna draw one piece fanart

>>7370796
I like watching kuroboshi draw
but sometimes he spends 2 hours redrawing the face until he's happy with the character's expression

>been trying to draw character token for tabletop for a week now
>game starts next friday
>still not done
i'm really going to have to hustle after work huh

>>7368230
I'm in the exact same boat. I can recreate other artist's work very easily when doing my studies. Makes me feel like I know what I'm doing. But when I try to make something of my own I draw like a super/beg/. Makes me realize I actually have zero artistic knowledge.

How do people get past that first hurdle?

>>7371710
I have the same problem. Only one drawing came out good where I wasn't copying someone elses shit

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>check for my blog in browser because I need to copy a hashtag and cant do it on xwitter's app
>find out that one of my pieces was reposted on Danbooru
>find out that my shipping pieces have been consistently reposted in a shipping subreddit
>find out people in that subreddit are directly referencing the fanfic Im supposed to be working on
>tfw everything is coming together
Cant get the shit eating grin off my face, what the fuck.

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>>7370789
I'm frustrated with how bad the Bluesky algorithm is.
It just never suggests me new or good artists I want to see.

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>>7371974
I can't tell you how much I love draugnut's boys. Very youthful looking and cute, but still masculine. Too many shota artists nowadays try to remove the inner masculinity of boys by making them girly or too moe, it's frustrating.

>>7370789
It’s either >>7370796 or they straight up copied or traced the pose. A lot of twitter/youtube artists aren’t actually good enough to quickly and confidently draw figures in a wide variety of poses and angles. They put all their points in rendering.

I put apple shit up on ebay and less than 10 minutes it's sold. Damn...

You could never do that with a Samsung product.

>>7372160
pro artists place the importance on making artwork
ic places it on skill and ego, which is why it obssesses over labels ('begs'/'ints')

>>7372326
what the fuck is so bad about wanting skill?

>>7372009
pedophile

>>7372424
rello heddit

why is it that my shittiest drawing that I put the least amount of effort into did the best on social media?

>>7372326
Lol, no. If a 'pro' artist is posting a timelapse, the importance is on engagement. If looking like a dipshit because they fucked up drawing an eye is a risk, it's a risk they aren't going to take. Cut that part of the video.

I feel so tired bros.

>>7372561
This delusional /beg/ cope again. Pros don't give a shit if the end result is good.

>>7372598
…everything you post on social media is a part of the “end result”. That includes process videos, unfinished sketches, etc. You are always judged on everything and you are always marketing yourself and crafting an image.

>>7372643
psychotic behavior

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>>7372557
bad drawings can still have appeal, especially for comedic or soulful works.
plus social media is a bit random

>>7373149
the thing is, it was successful on both deviantart and pixiv. It's my most liked piece on both despite the fact that it truly is the least work I've put into a drawing and I personally don't think it came out that well. Is it just pity likes or are they making fun of it?

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>>7373158
impossible to say without seeing yours works. if it's a niche character they like, they may just be happy that they get any art at all. depending what type of artwork you are going for, less technical skills are required and are valued differently depending on the culture and community.
thinking people are liking your stuff out of pity or making fun of it is probably just low self confidence, excuse the psychoanalysis.

Is anime too saturated in colors nowadays? It's been bothering me I got up out of my bed to compare any random show from, say, 2012 and the show from 2012 has more duller, muted colors but it's exactly how I remember anime being whereas I pick any random show (that's not the top ones with high production) from 2024 fall roster and everything is too bright and flat looking.

>>7373187
it's not a niche character, it was rosalina from the mario games but I've drawn other popular characters. the drawing her of has like 90 likes on pixiv and my drawing that has the most amount of likes after that is 50. It's just weird, it really isn't that good of a drawing

People who are better than me make me want to die, why am I like this

>>7364847
Learning guitar is wat chiller though, so it's easier to practice.
Also, you don't have to learn what you don't want to. If you love soloing, you can spend time learning the different harmonics, but you can also impress people just as easily by learning some chill fingerpicking songs.

>>7373187
>arousal is borderline master skill level
lol

>>7372988
Hey man I don't like it either, but that's life these days.

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I keep remembering the occasional anons that fill their mouths saying how you need to whore yourself in every possible way to make it on social media. I remember them as I find myself proving that you really don't need to sell your soul to no devil other than your own autism in order to make it. I'm drawing what I want for the sake of it, having my fun with other artists in the niche and doing good progress on social media while I'm at it. And at the end of the day I'm just a /beg/ that just draws.

If my /beg/ ass can make it, so can you.

>wake up 2pm
>brainfogged until 3pm
>shower/clean/make plans for the day until 4pm
>check news and email until 5pm
>cook food and eat it until 6pm
>digest it while watching slop until 7pm
>read about current event until 8pm
>have a quick fap until 10pm
>recharge energy until 11pm
>play vidya until 12pm
>eat food until 1am
>don't remember what I did, blur until 3am
>fap until 4am
>eat until 5am
>doomscroll/read ragebait until 7am
promise to draw tomorrow

Where do I fit in time to draw?

holy fuck I hate backgrounds
I should just embrace floating in a white void

>>7373970
learn perspective, problem solved

>>7373586
if you're that mario guy, that's not making it lol. though you're still doing better than probably 90% of the angry posters on here lol. if not, carry on

>>7373970
Learn to do out of focus shapes or abstract ones like the OP. Problem solved, but faster and more enjoyably..

>>7374000
>learn perspective, problem solved
I know perspective fine. I can draw backgrounds fine. I just find it tedious and boring compared to character drawing.

>>7374023
you don't have to draw detailed backgrounds each time anon, i just draw characters in boxes then turn the sides into other stuff like trees or just add patterns to them. elevates the drawing a lot without having to spend hours drawing a chair and desk

the drawing I started today was anime fanart but I kinda wish I drew some coom instead

>>7374034
>you don't have to draw detailed backgrounds each time anon
okay but for this drawing I do...

>>7374043
good luck anon, i'm sure the end result will be great

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art kills me, what do you mean i’ve been drawing consistently for a year but i still can’t do something like picrel ? but is it arrogance to assume i can do in a year what someone has been working up to for their entire lives? huh

>>7374275
year doesn't matter, it's how many hours and what you've been deliberately practicing that does

>>7374275
Please lord save us from another x month anon in the making

>>7356346
So I’ve learned something about myself, and it’s that I am at my artistic peak when I’m thriving off of negative emotions. Made a piece after being heartbroken and after ppl rejected and criticized me on here I’m making something unlike I’ve ever drawn before

seeing artists on here give other artists with similar skill level on here advice but being mean in their comments weirds me out. usually the advice makes sense but they draw on the same level, why be rude

>>7374316
because they can

>>7374316
>why be rude
Welcome to 4chan

>>7374319
i don't get it. i wonder if it's because they see them as direct competition

>>7374321
there are many nice boards and nice generals, it's unfortunate that you only browse a few

>>7373190
i suspect the older versions are converted somewhat faithfully to match what crt screens were capable of, but current digital color mastering just lets to crank up saturation to 11, because modern displays can actually blast retinas with acid greens et al. and it's race to the bottom to stand out

>>7374327
You’re not gonna get good at drawing by people being nice to you. Go on Reddit and you’ll see them praising a piece that would’ve gotten torn the fuck up on here. That nice shit isn’t gonna help you at all, you need some thick skin if you’re gonna browse this board

>>7374335
i'm talking about comments towards other people, not towards me. i'm also not talking about delusional praise (which i also see on here), just being neutral. don't be dense

>>7374339
how do you know if praise is genuine vs when you're being patronized

>>7374335
I've been on an art focused thread outside of /ic/ that has been surprisingly chill to the point of culture shock, it has nothing to do with having thicker skin. That's not to say we should act like reddit, far from it.

>>7374335
You don't have to be abusive to give constructive critique. You don't have to be a hugbox either. You're smooth in the brain if you think there are only these extremes.

>art giveaway for prizes
>in order to win you must like, share, subscribe, and tell your friends

How would anyone know they just won't pick an influencer anyway for the prize so they can promote the product they give away? I fucking hate contests like this.

>>7374332

CRT maybe. It also doesn't help when a ton of shows pre 2010 are in 360p-480p but I'm not sure if that actually is the original resolution of those shows.

Actually funny enough now that I remember, when Rinne no Lagrange's first episode came out and there were threads on /a/ the episode uploaded was in low resolution but it made the mechas and stuff look like a classic anime and it was something a lot of people were excited for...then the full resolution was uploaded. I noticed I gravitate to anime that still tries its very best to capture that muted, dull saturated look of the pre 2010s era but it's getting rarer to see nowadays. Most shows are too blown out now.

There are other things I wanted to bring up but I'll leave that for the appropriate board.

>>7374353
If the drawing is good then it's genuine, if it's not then it's not. What's the confusion?

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I wish I had time to just learn and do art.
I'm making so many sacrifices just for this miniscule amount of time I have.

There's so much stuff I want to learn and am inspired by but I have to sift and prioritize it so aggressively that I feel jealous of those artists that just seem to have a bit more than me...

>>7374417
Theyre engagenent bait.
Just be spiteful. If you don't win, make sure to go back and delete your comment and remove your likes and reposts. It would be funny if everyone did it.

I can't find simple sitting down references, why do all these models have to sit in a way that serves cunt? Just sit down you fucks

>>7371864
You can't say that and not say the ship!

I havent drawn in 3 days. I just get nauseous when I think about it.