>trad painters are painting AI shitHow long until this becomes a thing between the art grifters?
>>7360781the fuck am I even looking at
>>7360781>How long until this becomes a thing between the art grifters?Lol, it is. The no-rules-only-tools-crowd is actively tracing ai slop for years now.Look at youtube, most of the grifters are pushing tracing ai now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWdf4YDlsAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZk1cqRJW2shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwagpfL_BEUSocial media are full of this vomithttps://www.instagram.com/p/DAtSg5GPI_f/https://www.instagram.com/p/C1HkkrHu2GZ/?img_index=1https://www.instagram.com/p/C9Fd5k6J4rU/https://www.instagram.com/p/DAzIod0TtMY/
>>7360846holy fuck the second one was AI? I haven't seen the video but it got recommended to me a few days ago
>>7360855>holy fuck the second one was AI?Of course, cant you see it, it looks like shit, nothing makes sense? He is defending ai in the comments as well. This grifter is is well known for pushing photo and ai tracing.The girl from the 3 video, is his gf by the way. A happy family of art grifters.
>>7360869from the thumbnail it looks like any other oil painting so i couldn't tell
>>7360871Oh, i see, you are trying to bait me. Fuck you then.It looks 100% like ai shit in the thumbnail.
>>7360872it looks like some generic contemporary portrait painting with a more simplified face
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>>7360882You are a retard, thx for wasting my time.
>>7360887never said I wasn't
>>7360871The girl posing with an oversized animal is a Midjourney trend
>>7360781Goes to show that modern painters are frauds and hacks. What's the point of this? Where's the self expression and story telling?
>>7360915i thought about trying to copy/study this painting (my colours suck ass) but I already know I would go insane
>>7360781>>7360846OP's just coming out of his time capsule. hello OP, this is 2024, people have been doing this I would have said for a few years>>7360869he's got an alright sense of color and design. but yeah, it's kinda deceitful >>7360915what do you want modern people to talk about? feces in a can sold to the price of gold is pretty much the pinnacle of contemporary artistic expression, my friend. *THAT* is our culture. angels, gods are sooo out of touch, Grok.
>>7360882I can se you glossing over it as a thumbnail, but come on man, look at those brush strokesalso, the neck is snap city bound
>>7360846AI generating is being pushed HARD in art/animation schools right now. It's inevitable that there will be a generation that just uses it as a tool without negative sentiment. It's one of those cases where you're damned if you do, dammed if you don't.
>>7360869I'm not gonna watch this slop, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that he's not coming out and saying "I project AI slop on my canvas"still, the man produces social media content. using AI seems fit for purpose. it's a sad world we're running headfirst into but we need to learn how to filter this shit out of our lives
>>7360781Tradcucks that are copying machines can't do imaginative pieces without ai? How could this happen bros?
>>7361208>it's inevitableyou might argue it's inevitable they try, but somebody needs to buy the product
>>7361208>AI generating is being pushed HARD in art/animation schools right now.Being pushed in schools of all places is super disheartening... Weirdly it's probably the boomers pushing it since they tend to be the most fascinated by the tech
>>7361573>Being pushed in schools of all places is super disheartening... Weirdly it's probably the boomers pushing it since they tend to be the most fascinated by the techThey do that because their job is to provide meat for the industry, or jobs to youngsters, depending on your POV. It's a business making business decision, however morally reprehensible.If many studios want AI-trained ""artists"", they'll provide. Because if they don't, they'll go out of business.I'm not saying it's a good thing, just that it's not weird, and it's not about boomers fascinated by AI. It's just a race to the bottom, with people trying to optimize their [short term] gains like crazy.
>>7361208>>7361758>It's just a race to the bottom, with people trying to optimize their [short term] gains like crazy.Isn't it insane how nobody wants to do the work anymore? We live in an age of mediocrity, where corners are being cut and algorithms that do the work for you are becoming the new standard.>Drawing BackgroundsRequires learning perspective - too hard.>Drawing PeopleRequires learning construction, anatomy, and simplification - I'll just trace 3D models.>RenderingRequires learning lighting and values, and takes too long - I'll just put a sketch into an AI and go from there.>Getting inspiredThis is the one that pisses me off the most. Imagine needing a fucking AI to get inspiration to draw anything! How creatively bankrupt do you have to be that there's nothing, not even other people's art, that gives you the drive and inspiration to draw something on your own? Oh, right "It takes too much work", so they settle for mediocre, boring shit. We live in a new dark age, and it's only going to get worse. On a positive note, actual hardworking and inspired artists will stand out like a diamond in the rough.
>>7362014>On a positive note, actual hardworking and inspired artists will stand out like a diamond in the rough.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzSZ9FzsFk
>>7362031I know it sounds like I'm coping but I feel a cultural shift coming towards authenticity, which corner-cutters with zero passion can't provide.
>>7362034Nothing popular will ever be authentic. Every successful artist or media personality is a calculating sociopath, because tailoring a product to appeal to an audience will always succeed over 'artistic integrity'. Outsider artists are novelties.There's a shift toward 'authenticity' but it's not authentic. It's 00s hipster pretentiousness back for a vengeance. The big anti-AI guys like RJ and Karla are just as cynical as the AI guys. What requires even less effort than using AI is doing nothing but complain about AI. Nothing they do is making a difference, it's just a vehicle to convert outrage into money. And that goes for everyone down the line. Virtue signalling that you hate X technology is just virtue signalling. A means to get people to follow you, buy commissions, buy prints, because you're on the 'good' side. It's all performative, because audiences like performances, and like their opinions justified and regurgitated back to them. Those that play into it become popular. Those that don't realize it's all a game and delude themselves into thinking people actually care about their special snowflake uniqueness fall into obscurity.
>>7362050Your take while absolutely cynical, is unfortunately based. It's something that many artists have to come to terms with at some point in their artistic journey. To be able to make a living off art, you have to "play the game" and make time for your own art in between and hope you don't get lost in the sauce.
>jeets coping
>le AYY AYE is le future >le adapt or die>le technologeeFucking LEL, they tried to put the entire department on that shit for months and just gave up, shit's fucking useless for production.Literally the only way you could fall for this is if you're actually retarded or your your idea of drawing is making random one off images appear on a screen KEK
>>7362050The rant is understandable but I will have to stop your dangerous mindset right thereBeing "successful" is as vague as this board's definition of "making it"Your post only makes sense if your definition of "successful" is becoming some sort of celebrity or corpos that always strives for the top it's almost 2025, most people (even in 3rd countries) already have their accessibility to everything they need, in Art or any other field, along with the rise of AI. And the internet is already filled with trend-chasing artists, AI, bots, and their soulless products. so yes, being "a calculating sociopath" can get you popular and shit, but it's temporary, addicting, and not even guaranteed. At this age, with all the bullshit I just list, this dangerous mindset also makes the factor of a piece of media being "authentic" or not minimal and more about luck. There are "novelty outsider artists" that got hit by luck and living the best lives for being able to put out anything authentic and it would be popular nonetheless, and there are ones that are not blessed and drown in the sea of endless fotm. And yet, the risk is still smaller than those who keep chasing the major audience, hope to be picked since they are blending with the other. Sooner or later, some will realize they still need that authenticity even when chasing the trend or snap out of it and crawl back to their true self.>tldr"Nothing popular is authentic and every successful artist is a calculating sociopath" is a retarded claim like the "Nothing is original, everything is derivative" and can harm people's future because most people like to think in black and white and throw words around without giving a shit about their identity.
>>7362050One punch Man. You had Bill Burr talking about it. Anything Authentic will most likely start off in the same manner, someone with a good cool idea getting picked up and processed. Shame what they did for season 2
>>7362272And how's that working out for you? Is your art fulfilling?Personally, I find the notion that my unique creative vision being something the world just absolutely needs to see is narcissistic delusion. Artists aren't a protected class of culture-havers. They're just people who can draw, full stop, skilled tradesmen, like a plumber. And being able to draw doesn't endow you with good opinions or taste. I agree that "nothing is original" is retarded. But originality isn't intrinsically positive. A random number generator is original. A schizophrenic is original. Every little snowflake on this good green earth is original. But the public at large is who decides what originality is worth keeping. And the truth is, that originality is never far outside the window of cultural zeitgeist. Good taste is just manipulating that zeitgeist to your own ends. Whether that be trend chasing or sliding the scale toward your personal originality is your choice, but it's still just manipulation game at the end of the day.
>>7362282Nothing against OPM, but a superhero comic in 2009 (especially in 2015 with the anime) isn't exactly out of left field.
>>7362289>a superhero comic in 2009 (especially in 2015 with the anime) isn't exactly out of left field.I never said that it was something out of left field. We were talking of authenticity. Human beings love stories above all else and if your art tells a good story it will get picked up no matter what medium or skill level it's made with.
looks like shit
>>7362301Some people authentically like TikTok NPC slop, but that doesn't mean anything. Just because your personal tastes happen to line up with the cultural oversoul doesn't make you the chosen one, it just makes you lucky.
>>7362014>Isn't it insane how nobody wants to do the work anymoreIt's just not culturally imparted anymore: we teach kids at school to get good grades, not to learn or study. In the past, kids would work early, do plenty of chores, help their parents with anything, while traditional education was more meritocratic, and emphasized intense work. Especially true in Confucian China.>>7362034>>7362050Arts reflect culture. In the past, people were pious, and their arts reflected it. Nowadays, people are shallow, spiritually-free, and their arts reflect that. Popular art will be authentic when the culture will be authentic again.We're living in a sociopathic society: sociopathic traits dictate how people interact. Like look at how people WANT to be flattered and manipulated, they expect it, and if you don't, then they think you're unkind.
If I had the time and resources I would paint something similar to this concept. High concept natural environments that seem ethereal/surreal with anime girls that seem slightly out of place in the environment but still looks like a part of it. That’s the concept I have in my imagination.
>>7362370More exact/bonus concept.
>>7362370>>7362376deep.
>>7362370>>7362376>>7362421Thanks, Just made this too
>>7362369I agree that art reflects culture, but when was culture ever authentic? We divide art history into eras because art has always been an exercise in trend chasing. Genshin fanart is no more or less a superficial trend than Impressionism, or Cubism. If we're being honest, the reach and plurality of the internet has resulted in more niche interests having a survivable market share. Current day, more than ever in human history can an artist be called 'authentic'. But at the end of the day, there are still pigeonholes to be pigeonholed into, and knowing where you best belong is important to success and recognition.
>>7362370>>7362376>>7362740Luce Vatican mascot counter psyop, Naked anime characters on the cross
>>7362753>I agree that art reflects culture, but when was culture ever authentic?It used to be *more* authentic when religions were around, AND acting as vectors of ideas. Not so much when they acted as vectors of power.That's because all major religions emphasized morality. Of course, it's not a perfect things, humans are clumsy, and there have been many cycles.Grossly casting away religions without a serious plan to uphold morality was stupid beyond compare.
>>7363008>Grossly casting away religions without a serious plan to uphold morality was stupid beyond compare.I've come to realize and accept that the average person is really retarded, like comically low IQ. Is that why the world has gone to shit? Because the dumb masses aren't practicing and looking at religion for moral guidance anymore? Because there's nothing that unifies us all, we've all scattered into our own mentally ill niches, further dividing us?
>>7363137>nothing that unifies usKinda like /ic/ lol
>>7362740>>7362766Two sides of the same retarded coin.
>>7363137That's some cope BS. The average person is smarter than they've ever been. They just seem dumber because the average person in 1850 wasn't posting their shitty opinions on Twitter. History is the accounts of aristocrats, not the common person, retardation lost to history is still retardation. You might be a dumb fuck, but the rest of us are doing just fine, don't blame it on us.
>>7363335Hegelian dialect tehe.
>>7363362Just trying to make sense of reality, anon. No need to get your jimmies rustled.
>>7363137>I've come to realize and accept that the average person is really retarded, like comically low IQIt's more subtle than that. People aren't that dumb, they're just afraid of going against the flow.There's another huge problem: people struggle like hell to appreciate higher IQs. I'm saying this because it's an ubiquitous issue: many people may really be dumber than you, but you're likely to meet many false positive as well. Meaning, you may unknowingly classify higher IQs as dumb because you'd struggle to understand them.Humility's a great shield.>>7363362>The average person is smarter than they've ever beenNo. Knowledge and experience used to get accumulated: we'd have adages, 3 generations or so were living under the same roof, and so forth.The average nigger doesn't know jack about history and thinks "lol old stuff muh useless", "music and sports are auxiliary activities", "sexual liberation good". The exact opposite of what has been prevalent worldwide for millennia, and allowed us to endure.
>>7363796I'm sorry that you don't have a family, but that hasn't changed. And someone as eloquent as yourself probably doesn't have a positive opinion on minority families who are even more often to live in multi-generational households. So fuck off with the hypocritical platitudes.And adages aren't knowledge, they're the opposite of knowledge. Adages are a replacement for critical thinking and self-reflection. We have books, we have the internet, we have an actual fucking education, we don't need grandpa fuckface to tell us how drinking mercury cures the flu.
>>7363137When the toilet gets clogged shit always floats to the top.
>>7363853Profound
>>7363807>I'm sorry that you don't have a family, but that hasn't changed.The existence of retirement and nursing homes is a conspiracy theory.>And adages aren't knowledge, they're the opposite of knowledge.They're crystallized knowledge. They wouldn't develop nor stay for centuries if they were irrelevant, they'd die. Which is what is currently happening.>We have books, we have the internet, we have an actual fucking educationhttps://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html> We have booksHoarding on /artbook/ is a conspiracy theory.> we have the internetAs the old saying goes, the Internet is for porn. Nowadays, it's also for social networks addictive garbage and ads.> positive opinion on minority families.Aren't minorities driving the fertility rate up pretty much everywhere in the West? In addition to sharing multi-generational homes, aren't they often less atheistic? Idk if it's positive or negative. But that's what I've been arguing about.> we have an actual fucking educationIf you truly had, you'd be way less arrogant, wouldn't resort to ad hominem and other fallacies when discussing with people.>we don't need grandpa fuckface to tell us how drinking mercury cures the flu.No, we need doctors, telling and publishing in the Lancet that hydroxychloroquine, one of the most prescribed, old, well-known and benign medication, is a deadly poison, so that they can sell novel, expensive, dangerous, poorly working medicine and vaccines.> we have an actual fucking educationLet me burst your bubble: you don't. Get to work.
>>7364076>They quran is crystallized knowledge. It wouldn't develop nor stay for centuries if it were irrelevant
>>7364076>hydroxychloroquineYeah... no, nice job destroying your own point, buddy. That 'generational knowledge' sure is working out well for you.
>>7364269>Yeah... no, nice job destroying your own point, buddySee?> If you truly had, you'd be way less arrogant, wouldn't resort to ad hominem and other fallacies when discussing with people.An educated person is giving you facts. Yet you still resort to fallacies DESPITE having been told about it.> "There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.">>7364203Surely, you've read it in classical Arab, with a thorough understanding of the language, and of the historical context. And not half-baked translations made by people with negative preconceptions about Islam.To all true Muslims I've met, Islam is a peaceful religion, promoting harmony between men.Still, you don't need to study that much to appreciate things like "don't eat feces-eating pork" because they'll make you ill or "wash regularly bro".
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>>7365093 What?
>How long until this becomes a thing between the art grifters?So who exactly is "art grifters"? You mean people who can actually paint traditionally? Is "grifter" the upcoming 2025 word for "more skilled than me"?>>7362014>Isn't it insane how nobody wants to do the work anymore? We live in an age of mediocrity, where corners are being cut and algorithms that do the work for you are becoming the new standard.True, people just want to fire up Photoshop and use layers and Control-Z, and use photographs instead of setting up a live model.>>Drawing Backgrounds>Requires learning perspective - too hard.You whippersnappers and your fancy "perspective". Just travel to the place and draw what you see.>>Drawing People>Requires learning construction, anatomy, and simplification - I'll just trace 3D models.Agreed, Renaissance was such a mistake and Durer enabled a whole generation of fakers who wouldn't do the thing in the most inconvenient way possible. This makes it less art! It's only art when it's difficult. It's insane anyone would use any convenience, it was hard for me back in the day, so it must be hard for everyone until the end of time.>>Rendering>Requires learning lighting and values, and takes too long - I'll just put a sketch into an AI and go from there.Preach! Same for any sort of software. Them whippersnappers must learn the value of sourcing and grinding their own pigments.>This is the one that pisses me off the most. Imagine needing a fucking AI to get inspiration to draw anything! How creatively bankrupt do you have to be that there's nothing, not even other people's art, that gives you the drive and inspiration to draw something on your own? Oh, right "It takes too much work", so they settle for mediocre, boring shit. We live in a new dark age, and it's only going to get worse. Smdh imagine looking at AI, using ideas from other people's images! Instead, them whippersnappers should be using ideas from other people's images.Damn clouds!
>>7362369>It's just not culturally imparted anymore: we teach kids at school to get good grades, not to learn or study. In the past, kids would work early, do plenty of chores, help their parents with anything, while traditional education was more meritocratic, and emphasized intense work. Especially true in Confucian China.Yes, it's crazy how back during my time everything and everyone was just amazing. Kids worked hard, nobody committed crimes and everything was squeaky clean. Then this damn rock and roll music came around and those damn kids stopped wanting to learn.
>>7362014I blame the economy, people are so broke they feel like they have to cut every possible corner just to get bytangentially related https://youtu.be/EKweV2xww60?si=uKpX3wddY28W_3f3
>>7360941do a values study of it with big blob shapes
