are you? If you have already developed a style and just want to speed things up, what's the problem with using AI?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTwGwF7cw8A
>>7401758>are you?The thing is, you (yes, you OP) can't complete/edit/fix the AI so that it looks as good as a pro Japanese artist.
>>7401758>spend your life learning to draw>become an AI janny cleaning up it's errorsfuck that lol
>>7401808if you're drawing a comic you will quickly change your opinion. You can produce much more work faster and keep your audience happy, and keep yourself from burnout.
>>7401758>are you? If you have already developed a style and just want to speed things up, what's the problem with using AI?i like drawing and if i make a piece i dont want it to be turned into a zombified amalgamation of other peoples work
>>7401833> become a picture shitter to produce audience complacent slopYou do not like art.
>>7401758>implying nips trying to ruin anime with ai is newhaving chinky eyes doesn't give you good taste
>>7401833>dont you want it to be easier to push out more slop at an infinitely worse quality?
>>7401758as an ai proompter that sometimes takes comms, I'm very limited to poses I can actually consistently pull off without dozens upon dozens of gacha pulls. Most of the time it just spits out the same handful of things
I like drawing, I am not an entertainment factory.
>>7401758Do nips not see how janky this looks? Anime is slowly turning into goofy Voltron/Korean jankyness. We hardly get good animated hentai nowadays as it's worse than powerpoint with liquify to show movement.
>>7401856this voltron, not the classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUn0qNpv1U0&list=PL8WAFcZVXspiuvyxbpYdaux_rOVnTaxAF&ab_channel=VOLTRONwhere the character movement looks off while wearing the anime coat of paint. That's where Japanese animation is heading, too.
Are aifags scrambling to find valifation after the news that AI probably hit the plateau?
>>7401852>as an ai prompterkill yourself
>>7401881okay 4chan stranger.I'm just saying ai is actually pretty shit, especially for dynamic poses you would see in a comic book.
>>7401833man, generative AI really exposed a large chunk of /ic/ as nothing but completely artless husks who are just here to hustle some money and have zero interest in creativity or the craft
>>7401882Your kind is exactly the kind that shouldn't be on /ic/
>>7401885okay 4chan stranger
>>7401833Maybe if your audience are facebook moms and indians
>>7401913I don't think facebook moms are big into anime titties
I have dabbled in AI to help with my workflow. Inpainting, you would think it would speed things up but in reality it's still too unpredictable. It just ends up being faster to paint things than to generate 300 images hoping it gets it right next time. Img2img is the same way. You would think cleaning up sketches would be great or upscaling a section of a photo to help with photobashing but it's just absolute garbage. AI does not understand how hair works, like at-fucking-all.It's still not quite there yet. Give it a couple decades and everyone will have to be using it in someway in order to stay competitive and have a job. I have a degenerate mental illness so it won't effect me by thing.
>>7401938ironically it actually works better for a cartoony art style even though no one uses it for that
>>7401833AI hasn't improved Kengan Omega, all its done is make people notice that its using AI with zero improvement to quality of any aspect of it, in fact its getting worse
>>7401938Retards like you really believe that everything just goes up and gets better forever. Reality is there are hard and fast limits on what is possible with technology.
>>7401838the video says that the AI only uses his body of work and style
>>7401758Literally nothing wrong with doing this. The only thing that matters is the end result. No one cares how you do it.
>>7401951|Really depends on the style. it can output some really generic anime if that's what you're going for.>>740194120 years is a long time. Like, especially in tech. It's the people saying "in a couple years" that are retarded.
>>7401985>20 years is a long time. Like, especially in technot him, but no it isn't the first 20 years of a tech have rapid improvement, but past that, 20 years is nothingpeople don't understand the tech has been in development since the 90s, the only reason image generators got such a leap is laion, the core tech is the same garbage as it was 20 years agoit's literally a startup grift to bait retarded boomers
>>7402027I'm the opposite of an AIfag but you are delusional. Deep mind learning and image recognition neural networks started in the mid2010s, that's when the technology was in it's infancy and we all remember the trippy "dogs in everything including porn" images. And that was the old way of doing things, it wouldn't be until 2017 when the transformer Ai architecture was developed which is what all image creation uses today. So it took them less than 5 years to go from theoretical to production. If you think it's going to stagnate for 20 years then you are absolutely retarded.>not him, but no it isn'tYou are.
>>7402171In the 1990s, the foundation of deep learning and image recognition neural networks was laid through significant advancements in neural network research, although the field was constrained by limited hardware and data. Early neural networks, like multilayer perceptrons (MLPs) and simple convolutional neural networks (CNNs), were explored conceptually during this time.Key developments included:1. **Convolutional Neural Networks (CNNs)** - Yann LeCun and colleagues introduced LeNet in the late 1980s and early 1990s, one of the first CNNs applied successfully to tasks like handwritten digit recognition for postal services. LeNet demonstrated the power of convolution and pooling layers for spatial hierarchies in image data.2. **Backpropagation** - The backpropagation algorithm, formalized in the late 1980s, was widely utilized in the 1990s for training neural networks, enabling the adjustment of weights through gradient descent.3. **Limitations of Hardware** - Training deep networks was challenging due to the slow processing power of 1990s hardware and lack of GPUs. This limited the depth and scale of the networks explored.4. **Lack of Big Data** - Neural networks struggled to outperform traditional machine learning methods because of insufficient large-scale datasets for training.While deep learning in the 1990s wasn't as dominant as today, the foundational ideas, coupled with incremental improvements, set the stage for later breakthroughs in the 2000s and beyond.
>>7402171>>7402225In the 1990s, image recognition neural networks were in their early stages, primarily driven by the development and application of basic multilayer perceptrons (MLPs) and early convolutional neural networks (CNNs). Their key uses at the time included:1. **Handwritten Digit Recognition**: Systems like LeNet, developed by Yann LeCun, were used for recognizing handwritten digits, particularly for postal codes (e.g., USPS checks and zip code recognition).2. **Optical Character Recognition (OCR)**: Neural networks were employed to recognize printed and handwritten text for applications in document digitization and form processing.3. **Medical Imaging**: Basic image recognition networks were applied in early efforts at tasks like tumor detection in X-rays or CT scans in healthcare.4. **Facial Recognition**: Limited experiments were conducted with facial recognition tasks, though hardware constraints restricted practical usage.5. **Automated Quality Inspection**: Neural networks were explored for defect detection in manufacturing, such as inspection of materials and components.6. **Military and Security**: Early research in image recognition was applied to aerial imagery or surveillance for target detection and object recognition.7. **Robotics and Computer Vision**: Image recognition networks were explored for enabling robots to recognize objects or environments for navigation and basic manipulation tasks.These applications were constrained by the computational limitations and relatively smaller datasets available in the 1990s, which restricted their performance compared to modern advancements.
>>7401842you think anime and manga are art?it's already mass produced and copy pasted slop.
>>7402230If banana taped to wall is art then anime and manga is art.
>>7402237prove it. eat anime
>>7401808>>7401833fixing Ai takes longer than drawing it right, at least for manga.No idea how the thought this is a good idea. Also look at that... it doesn't even look good
>>7402238I eat anime pussy every day, 365.
>>7402265It would have been easier to just go into 3D.>>7402230More artistic than this garbage.
>>7402265>fixing Ai takes longer than drawing it right, at least for manga.definitely not, I could fix 22 pages of AI art in month, but I couldn't draw it in a month
>>7402464post your 22 pages, rajamapadashapali
>>7402464it would take you a full month just to gen all the images needed to fill 22 pages of slop.
>>7401758I've been using for a year, people still don't know I'm using AI or they do and just don't care enough as long as they get their art
>>7402916baseddon't be stupid and get left behind when more and more artists are all already prompting
>>7402230>you think anime and manga are art?ok nodraw.
I do not use AI and death is too good a punishment or those that do.
>>7402472why?
>>7402916BASED
>>7402920I thought people were using this as an example that AI was stealing art, but it's the guy using AI, okay
>>7402920this is why you gen your own images
>>7402916same, but I trace over the whole image so that there's no trace of ai left.
>>7401833you can save just as much time by making it in black & white instead of becoming a prompt-tranny
>>7402920I don't get it, both look kinda ass for basically the same reason
>>7401938hey... cofcof.. anon, use a cofcoflorawithyourstylecofcof, you can prompt the shit to make the base and you work on top then upscale or make a base upscale and work on top. Ah and dont worry, there's plently of loras of degenerate styles out there, really hardcore ones, so it can do yours without problem (specially with the current models, not the ones from 1-2 years ago).I use it to render commissions and go fast to the painting part, just put the sketch there prompt your shit and done, is like x2 faster,
>>7401833Korean.
I just want ai that can draw streets, buildings, rocks, and trees for me. It takes me hours to draw these by hand and they look like shit.
>>7401758Consistency, which the very "tool" fundamentally cannot do otherwise it goes against that "hallucination" path towards technological advancements, and intent. I don't think a lot of weebs would value the idea non Jap hands slaving to make anime themselves, so they either will let anime die and stick to manga, or demand pushback against using the "tool" for profit over integrity.
>>7403913ai has been able to relatively consistently produce the same character by a given description for a while, man.
>>7401833If your "audience" cannot wait 2 weeks just for a new issue done by glorious nippon hands, they are the problem, and are not to be pandered to.Pandering to subhuman 2000s+ "people" was a mistake anyways.
>>7402464>in month,HELLO SAR
>>7403914>relatively consistentlySpeak English turdworlder. That is not how you speak in natural conversation.
>>7403920are you esl? I understand that any time someone says something about ai that isn't vitriolic you assume they're a shitskin, but I'm just saying you can get fairly consistent character output from ai now.
>>7403920What are you confused about?
>>7401852Dont you use controlnet? Ive played with AI on my drawings and I've had pretty good results with poses
>>7401944His old streams used to have screencspture to show his work and a face cam.Now when he streams, it's usually face cam onlyI think he barely even draws at this point
>>7401758>working with a south korean firmnow it makes sense
>>7401758At this point, if you have a major problem with AI, it's really going to just be a "you" problem. It's obvious which direction the winds are blowing on this issue, and the actual "professionals" who make their living and put food on the table by putting out art regularly have more or less realized that the technology isn't going anywhere, so not using it, at least to a slight degree, is nothing more than just being a Luddite.If you're hoping for some sweeping legislation across 1st world countries to make AI vanish... well, don't get your hopes up.
saar, you must redeem, bloody benchod
>>7404043Not everyone is here to scam people, Ranjeet.
>>7404043>he says calmly and smugly as the flood of slop reaches his neck
>>7404063>>7404067>>7404068Why are you guys even this upset? Most of you have not and will never have jobs in the industry. It literally won't affect you.
>>7404078no u
saar this doesn't affect you saar please do the needful
>>7402920Nobody cares about this, stop posting the same image over and over again retard
>>7403922>fairly consistent/= consistent. It's either perfect or it's useless. The hand is perfect once trained. AI is too susceptible to corruption from incestuous data.Imagine if you use a hammer but every 1 out of 10 uses it spontaneously cracks shards of metal off making it uneven to use properly. Fixing that shit every time is wasted time that a proper tool wouldn't have.
>>7404194>It's either perfect or it's uselessNopeSurely you don't think they're just generating shit and sending it, right? Everything gets touched by human hands to fix mistakes. Imagine if you used a drywall hammer and 1 out of every 10 screws went in weirdYou just sink the screw deeper and put a new one. You save so much time on the other 9 that even with the single fuckup you had to do over you're still 10 sheets ahead of the guy putting up drywall by hand.
>>7404211>Surely you don't think they're just generating shit and sending it, right?So far, they are .https://x.com/AniNewsAndFacts/status/1867631366168621433
>>7401758>disabled dislikes, hidden commentsgee, I wonder why.
>>7403063Because I'm finding it hard to believe. Seeing that you've really made those 22 pages of manga would prove that you have at least some experience on the topic you're speaking about.
>>7404216the whole point of that is that it's entirely ai generated. For something where they aren't specifically advertising it as ai generated, they wouldn't.
>>7401867>the news that AI probably hit the plateau
>>7401938learn what a controlnet is
>>7404227I have more than 50 pages actually so yes I have experience
>>7404794you don't even have 1 page.
>a bunch of moneychasers that NEED to deliver slop to the masses are using AI therefore now even you (who will never work in the industry because you suck) need to accept and use AINah I rather jerk off than let the bot cuck me
>>7404794retard
>>7402920This "left behind" thing makes no sense it's more like using up the well before it dries out.
>>7401808lol it's not 2022 anymore, the AI is really good and if you can draw then you save DAYS of rendering. It's not one or the other, you can make a perfetc sketch and prompt the AI to do the coloring and background for you, there you go no anatomical errors at all.
>>7405026Unless you're evil you should not be caring about time saved outputting when the enjoyment is the journey of drawing itself. It's therapeutic to most people.
>>7404416>he doesnt knowTwo more weeks right saars
>>7404067>scam????
>>7401867>2 MORE WEEKS!!! AI IS OVER IN 2 MORE WEEKS!!!!!saar, i..........
>>7404104Hello subu
>>7401758That garbage dadadan is full of Ai in betweens, hope they limit it to shonen garbage.
sigh can we sage rajesh's pajeetmaxxing threads already? thanks
>>7405812I haven't seen the show, have you got any proof examples of that?
>>7401758we know, we've seen the decline in the quality of their art (anime) since they began using it.the asian jeans were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
>>7402920the thing about ai, it lacks sovl, that is, it's all tech, not logos, and without logos you lose the meaning and intent behind art.it's like the procedurally generated missions in games, yeah, you now have an infinite amount of missions, so you can play that same game forever, but that just means that there was no easter eggs hidden by the developers, no funny hidden messages, no part of the developer is in the missions, its just a sterile, dead machine, no humanity, no sovl,that's AI, dead visuals without meaning or purpose, just doing what its designed to do, mechanically.what's the point of that art at that point, just for the artists to make money, just another Industrial Complex?art is dead, and greedy "artists" killed it.>For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows
>>7404798>>7404943no you
>>7406332>the thing about ai, it lacks sovlidk about that, I've seen lots of AI art with soul
>>7401758The Godpanese could pee in my mouth and it would taste like champagne so I'm 100% sure they will make AI sovlfvl. I only have a problem with AI when it's used by westoid jews and slimy pajeets.
>>7406332>dead visuals without meaning or purposeum. ah. like this place?
