Guys, what is the #1 secret to drawing?
>>7403049Drawing 1000 boxes a day
memory copy bridgman plates twice from life cognitively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qy_13MInxI
>>7403061What is ist?
>>7403061Proko is annoying but every time I see this guy, I remember the one time where Proko pissed him off by making some kind of joke. It was fucking hilarious, it was during some Adobe event and Proko said he was Bob Ross' brother or something. The other guy got so mad and Proko was nervously laughing that the joke didn't land well.
>>7403049you gotta draw
>>7403049drawing from anatomy books and life drawing
>>7403061"Observation"
>>7403049If I told you it wouldn't be a secret.
>>7403070This
Talent
>>7403068>Proko was nervously laughing that the joke didn't land wellyou'd think he'd be used to it by now
>>7403049you can learn drawing by not drawing. But it can be done by aphantasia retards.
>>7403198>don't draw>never make shit art>suddenly i'm a god-tier artist with 0 missesholy...
I would say it's interest. Even observation starts with an interest. If you have interest in things, then you will get better at drawing. What I noticed about good artists is, that they often have very interesting homes, full of interesting things. That is because they have a lot of interests and passions. And this gets reflected in their art.You must think a bit like a child to be a good artist. You must be full of curiosity.
>>7403049It takes time.
>>7403275shut the fuck up biiiiih
Master studies. Thinking you have to reinvent the wheel and learn everything from scratch is retarded and will keep you in beg hell forever
>>7403275Also this. The fight against time is the hardest thing about being a good artist. Life is so short and good art takes so much time.
Recently, when I was in the park drinking some beer, I found reading glasses on the bank I was sitting. I took them home with me and realized that they are actually perfect for drawing. Especially when inking it's very helpful. Now I always use them when drawing. Can recommend.
>>7403223Kim jung gi stressed this point in a live stream. he was really interested in bikes/moterbikes and would draw them all the time, tasting/savoring every detail like it was some great candy he was eating.
>>7403049You have to like drawing.
>>7403958Yea, that's just things artists do. Katsuhiro Otomo liked to do this with debris and ruins and stuff. The problem is just finding the discipline to follow these interests with such a passion.
>>7403941Maybe your eyesight requires glasses in the first place
>>7403962I don't think so. I just can't read very small text on packages for example. I think that's pretty normal.
>>7403965Nope, that means your eyesight is not good as it should be and you would need glasses.
>>7403965how old are you? My parents need reading glasses because they’re slightly farsighted from aging
>>7403049I just don't draw the same without my hat on.
>>7403965Small text on packages were made to be read anon... if you can't read them you it's literally a you problem
>>7403049Do it every day if you want true gains
>>7404098>Small text on packages were made to be read anon...Yea, maybe by the ants.
>>7403049honestly, I think it's drawing in the moment / entering the flow state. Allow yourself to get lost in the flow and only think about what it is you're currently doing. I do my best work / learn the most when I'm in this state.It's really easy to only think of the end result, or what you have to do X amount of steps from now, which stiffens you up, and make your work much worse.
>>7403982I mean reading glasses are basically just like magnifying glass. If you do very tiny work which requires a lot of attention to detail, then a magnifying glass is always a good idea.
if you didnt draw when you were a kid you'll never make it
>>7404258I did draw when I was a kid, but I didn't have the inspiration materials I have nowadays. There weren't books in the house, no movies which really interested me, no good magazines, no internet, etc. I had to learn this stuff all by myself.
>>7403049That there is no secret
>>7404826The secret method is discipline. Good artists spend thousands of hours drawing. Their whole life revolves around drawing and finding inspiration. This takes a ton of discipline to sit in front the paper that long everyday.
>>7404828That's not a secret.
>>7403049The internet. The amount of inspiration the internet gave me access to is off the charts. I started using internet very late at like 25, so when I finally started using the internet, it really hit me how much time I have wasted. It's like a whole new world opening up to you where you can read, watch, look at anything you ever wanted. Before that I had very limited access to stuff which really inspired me.
>>74030491. Know what you want.2. Learn to feel.3. Big tiddy.
me: time to draw>brain: actually you're going to browse the internet and do nothing insteadI don't even hate drawing. I love drawing, but I love avoiding responsibility more.
that one weird trick that you learn after hoarding 100 tb of learning materials
>>7403049tracing
>>7403049Not being on /ic/
>>7406115>but I love avoiding responsibility moreMy life in a nutshell.
>>7403049#1. do it alot#2. try to get better in someway over time#3. the people that get the best study alot and are great at studying, often times starting in ateliers or have some type of realism training. being able to do a high quality rendered study of figure or real life scene, that's something the goat pros have in common good realism & studying skill. If you can't render a real person you can't render a fake person, if you can't draw a real car well you can't draw a fake car or a spaceship well ect. #4. in order to get better as fast as possible you have to spend long periods multiple hours on the same pieces, from imagination & studies. say you only ever draw with pen and never erase, you're never fixing your mistakes, you're drawing those mistakes and moving to the next piece, which is a trap pen drawing has, making sloppy work after the next. this is the key to getting top tier, but it's extremely boring for most, those that enjoy studying & working on singular pieces for long periods are blessed & will excel atleast from a technical standpoint.
You just have to enjoy creating 3D models on paper.
>>7407056>>7407056#4 is wrong, many pros tell you quantity over quality (most of the time, there is a time and place to do spend a lot of time on a piece) bc its more opportunities to practice, and pens are actually good because they force you to be more aware of your marksmanship meaning down the line you make less mistakes
>>7403049Draw the rest of the owl
>>7407288>#4 is wrong, many pros tell you quantity over quality (most of the time, there is a time and place to do spend a lot of time on a piece) bc its more opportunities to practicepros do not say that, they don't practice that. you look at dave rapoza or james gurney they don't do bad studies, their studies are high tier realism, pushed as hard as they can, like daves apple studies back in the day. meanwhile checked on my friend from 4 years ago, endless rough poorly done studies, like he didn't give a fuck about making something good, he was just grinding through each piece trying to get to the next. if you think about it there's no reason to move on from a study to the next if there's mistakes in your current work that could be fixed. > pens are actually good because they force you to be more aware of your marksmanship meaning down the line you make less mistakesagain it has it's flaws, based off personal experience of 6yrs pen drawing mostly. that being it's hard for me to actually push a design with only pen, if I erased or used digital I could play around with many different ideas, be creative, 100 different color schemes, with pen I'm stuck with what I've got. artists make better designs when there's room to play around, there's limited freedom with pen drawings. it's probably useful to some degree as an exercise or for fun, but unnecessary, artists like ruan jia turn rough messy unledgible sketches into masterpieces, & he can't draw in pen for shit.
>>7407288also my friend that does all those studies and never improves, he works in pen/water color, might spend 30min to an hour on a study, if he puts down the wrong lines/colors, if the thing sucks dick, he learns nothing, just moves on, does the same thing next time, this is the downfall of ink drawing.when you draw a pen sketch you're not learning anything, you're putting down your initial idea, when you erase you push that idea and learn. I believe you should spend like 3-10 hrs on a study. more than 10 making minor changes might be redundant/a waste of time, most of the corrections & learning happen during 3-10 hrs.
>>7407288it's harder to push ideas with pen because you have to redraw ideas completely from scratch, which is mentally exhausting, so I & many others never restart just move on. vs if I erase or use digital I can keep the parts I like remove the shit parts and try different ideas, there's room for creativity, I can push ideas. you just can't achieve as high quality, you're not pushing yourself or your ideas, it doesn't work for alot of people. ex. peterhan has stagnated/regressed like hell because all he does is pen drawing, he doesn't redraw, doesn't fix his shit, he just draws the crappy ideas and moves to the next, when learning and exploration of design happens mostly on the page through alot of erasing/editing going back and forth.
>>7403049practicewhich isn't a secret.you just want there to be a secret in order for you to avoid having to put in the effort.your only problem is that you're a lazy fuck.
The first big secret they teach every college freshman is to use reference. Every professional artist that has ever existed uses reference. For some reason, every single person alive believes that artists just memorize everything and draw from their head. Yes, you learn anatomy, form, construction, and the like but for a finished painting you will use reference.
>>7403049Drawing progress and development will not happen if you never started at all.So get drawing already.
Keeping the other hand steadying the paper and out of your pants.
