A Japanese anime director reflected on his own story of how he gave up on being an animator because his senior (most likely a boomer) told him that this video related is THE BARE MINIMUM level he needed to become an animator. Note: It's not, this scene was animated by an exceptionally talented animator Masahiro Ando who later directed Sword of the Stranger. https://x.com/Nagai_anime/status/1868425208425807937>This was the first key animation I had ever seen in my life, and I was told (deceived) "If you can't draw at a level like this you'll never become an animator. You should work in production," and I took this seriously and spent 7 years working on it, which I deeply regret!!!>"How dare you deceive me! You really did deceive me!" Take what people say with a pinch of salt.What do you think of people like that? Was he right?
>>7405163>If you can't play soccer like Messi you should give up on playing it professionally OP most /ic/ anons are crabs but even people here have common sense.
>>7405163>this video related is THE BARE MINIMUM level he needed to become an animatorExcept that senior was wrong - anyone with a single eyeball can take a two second look at regular TV animes to note that they were nowhere near as well animated as this scene. Were all the dozens if not hundreds of people who worked on those anime tv shows suddenly not animators now?
>>7405163>"If you can't draw at a level like this you'll never become an animator. You should work in production,">"If you can't draw at a level like this">"draw"What is amazing about this scene is the animation, not the drawing on it's own.I can see this being a solid advice. It's important to be realistic when you try to motivate beginners. If they can't take this kind of reality, then they aren't fit for this job.
>>7405163>based boomer snipping the competition in the budHe's wrong of course but props to him for playing the game
>>7405163It's a 1998 movie. The senior is setting the bar higher for the shinpei nagai dude. Then the hapless young guy just kept grinding.
>>7405173that would unironically improve the life of 90%+ of footballers drastically, you have no idea how bad noname clubs are
>>7405163My guess is that his "senior" was some stupid nodraw middle manager who conflated "Animation" with "Art Style" and thought the minimalist face = the animation
>>7405163If his boomer senior never told him that, he wouldn't have spent 7 years grinding to be in his current position in the industry. Boomer Senior gaslit him into becoming a better artist.There are plenty of benchwarmers in the NBA who don't even play a full 15 minutes per game, but how many kids will you motivate by saying, "You only need to be as good as 'What's His Face Jr.' on the bench to play in the NBA!" None. Every kid who wants to go pro does so because they look up to Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, etc. and want to play and be as good as thing even if they eventually never reach that level. Same principle here.
>>7405163It's not black and white. But please check Shinpei Nagai's credits. Literally a bunch of garbage animes. I guarantee, even after his 7 years of grinding he still can't draw at that level. People like Shinpei Nagai, who disregard old heads' advice, is the reason current anime is in such a state. It's an appeal to mediocrity. Instead of improving his craft, he shitposts on twitter, blaming other people for his failures and lack of talent. Call me crab if you want, you know I'm right.
>>7405173literally every village and city district has at least one FC in Europe, 99% of them play on empty stadiums and never win anything, it's honestly a waste of lifemaybe Messi's overdoing it, but unless you're a top 1% talent, you will never, ever amount to anything in footballanimation at least needs losers to do inbetweens on hentai or something, nobody needs bad football players
>>7405241It's good for money laundering.
>>7405163his senior was right. this story only hit the news because of the mediocre masses licking each other's wounds and making the world uglier to cope with their inferiority
>>7405163>>7405173>>7405182>>7405186>>7405192>>7405213>>7405222>>7405236>>7405256Do you guys seriously not understand the difference between animation and drawing?
>>7405236I tried looking for his art, the only post on his pixiv was from 2015 and it looked ok. Not any worse than current animators working on big anime. I'm sure his drawing skill has improved since then. The question is if his animation skill has gotten better. Considering he said he wasted 7 years of his life working as not an animator then probably not, which is probably why he's mad at the guy who told him to not work in animation.>>7405256But there's plenty of good animation out there.
>>7405302>difference between animation and drawing?Do you?
>>7405302Animation is made of individual drawings. Which means animating is harder because on top of having to draw very well, you also need to handle the timing and spacing. Good artists aren't necessarily good at animating (i.e Yusuke Murata), but every good animators are great artists (Yasuo Otsuka, Hayao Miyazaki, Yoshinori Kanada, Takashi Nakamura, Toshiyuki Inoue, Hiroyuki Otsuka, etc). Mind you again that not being able to draw doesn't mean you can't be a good director though. Isao Takahata, Mamoru Oshii, and Yoshiyuki Tomino can't draw very well, but they are legendary directors. There's only a few artists who's good at everything, from manga, animation and direction, one of them is Satoshi Kon (RIP) and Katsuhiro Otomo.
>>7405309Of course I do. Animation requires you to understand motion and the 12 principles of animation, while drawing involves other skills (fundamentals of drawing).>>7405317Of course it's harder, but what OP posted is a clear example of extraordinary animation paired with a very simple drawing style.
>>7405429what you mean is deceptively simpleyou're deluded if you think that's not a master draftsman
Animators live a sad life. They don't get nearly the pay they deserve, they constantly have to work in teams, doing incredibly tiresome work on the assembly line, and they are not even allowed to draw loli.
>>7405163I kinda get it. You don't need to be able to ANIMATE at that level, but you probably need to at least be able to DRAW at that level. The character designs here are very simple, but the anatomy and proportions are consistent and the poses are clear and everything is readable. pause on any one frame and the actual drawing is not an insanely high level, but there is a competency there that I could see being a valid baseline for being a pro animator.
>>7405173I would ignore the advise on the basis of it coming from a retard that calls it "soccer" and become the next Iniesta
>>7405163it makes sense for a director to say it. They want only good artists to exist and work for them. Its like a woman saying if you're not at least 6feet, kill yourselves. Their goal is not to foster growth and improvement in the community, its to get the best for themselves.
>>7405442What the hell are you on about? Of course that's top notch animation AND drawing. The simple drawing style is probably used for budget reasons.Stop assuming and being an asshole for no reason, retard.
>>7405940>Of course it's harder, but
>>7405163>What do you think of people like that? Was he right?he was absolutely rightfor every 1 person that likes you're stuff, there's a mountain of others with criticism, some valid and others completely baseless or nonsensicalif everyone had listened to their worst critics, no one would make anythingthis isn't even debatable, "fuck the haters" is genuine strategy for persevering through difficult-to-master skills, and sometimes, you have to trust your own taste.
>>7405956JFC, you are so dumb it hurts. Are you seriously unaware there's much higher budget animations around that have uncomparably more detailed styles of drawing?Are you seriously dense to the extent of not understanding that the animation in question was used as an example because the drawing style is SIMPLE and much more low bar than more expensive productions?What a fucking dumbass.
>>7405182>regular TV animes to note that they were nowhere near as well animated as this scene.That's just wrong though. Yes, this scene in particular, but not all of shin chan is animated like that scene. Regular TV anime in the same caliber always has some sakuga surprise sprinkled in episodes for the older audiences either watching it with their kids or otherwise.
>>7405968Learn English
>>7405163Honestly it was his fault for giving up that easily. He himself should strive to be like these Animator Gods and compare his work always with the best out there
>>7406031>no rebuttalI'll accept your concession, autismo.
>d-debate me!lol
>>7406095>debating a retard that can't work with logicNot my inention.
