>thoughts on generic anime

>>7405445
the art style isn't supposed to make you think, it's meant as a vehicle for the story, only appealing enough so you don't get distracted by it one way or another.

>>7405445
That's a lot of characters. I'm sure they all will be important to the plot

>>7405445
I'll never understand how SAO is still memed for being bad even today while shit like Solo Leveling or Tower Of God are rated highly when they're all the same kind of self-insert MMO story slop to me desu

>>7405459
People need to look at the bigger picture for SAO. It defined a whole decade of our youth. It’s anime came out right around exactly when the hype for the Oculus got a kickstarter. It’s more about the journey with Kitty Toe and Assna for a decade than it is about it being a heaping pile of trash (which it really isn’t). And then you had the myriad of games with alternate stories and point of views to be consumed together. Tower of Gad and Solo Queer cannot match SAO.

>>7405459
people who criticize SAO aren't the people who grew up on isekai slop

>>7405450
>>7405455
>>7405466
the ironic weebs are out in full force today aren't they

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>>7405445
I enjoy it. The SAO Progressive movie art style is great too.

>>7405459
>>7405447
forgot to tag these two as ironic weebs too. no wonder /ic/ level of anime art comprehension is so low.

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>>7405459
You need to be an adult and straight man to understand the difference between Solo Leveling and Sword Art Online.
At a surface level they're essentially the same shit but when you break them down you understand that SAO is harem bullshit aimed at pre teen gamer boys while SL is aimed at young adult men that care about prestige, money, marriage, duty and kids.
They're both shallow action shows but one is clearly aimed at an older audience than the other, even the art style and the MC's age comes into play in this self insert thing you're talking about.
I watched and read both, SL is a lot more entertaining than SAO imho but I guess if I were a woman, troon or a fag like (you) I'd enjoy SAO and TOG more.
Tower of God is basically fujoshi slop but even that is more entertaining than SAO.
I used to enjoy SAO 12 years ago but I was a teenager so it makes sense...

reminder that ironically hating on SAO means there is X days remaining towards your transition.
tread carefully.

>>7405483
To be fair, you need to have a very high IQ to understand anime

>>7405483
>I watched and read both,
>shallow action shows
Based self admitted slop watcher, thank you for the valuable opinions.

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>>7405445
Generic made for the masses

>>7405445
Everything made by a-1 pictures is slop

>>7405473
what are you talking about?

>>7405490
>>7405447
>>7405450
t. westoid faux-anime producers

>>7405493
see >>7405501 and >>7405473

>>7405445
Its great actually. Abec/Bun bun is one of my inspirations. Too bad it's wasted in an anime with a bad story. Yuna is a hero makes up for it.

>>7405445
Competent. Doesn't wow me but it looks good and is nice and crisp, the fact other shows share this style doesn't detract from its visual quality

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>>7405504
>Abec/Bun bun is one of my inspirations.
Nice, interesting that his older sister is the character designer of K-On. It runs in the family doesn't it.

>>7405498
>responding to schizos

>>7405473
SAO is garbage aside for the designs. You don't get to call me an ironic weeb. Because I love anime I can tell you how shit SAO is

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>>7405483
solo flop

>>7405459
>I'll never understand how SAO is still memed for being bad even today while shit like Solo Leveling or Tower Of God are rated highly
standards have fallen quite a bit simply because a lot more people are watching anime. However shitty sao might be it's 100x times better than that gooktrash

>>7405547
>SAO is garbage
Why?
>>7405550
>shitty sao
Why?

>>7405555
It was boring so it was bad.
But I'm being very harsh, so I will say "it is mediocre"

>>7405473
Is not true that besides Kirito and Asuna those characters were unimportant?

>>7405558
>backpedalling
Confirmed ironic weeb.
>>7405560
Why is it garbage though?

>>7405498
He would have replied that no matter what you said anon. It's a bait thread. Your losing move was replying at all.

>>7405563
It was because they gave an ironic weeb scripted answer. See >>7405463 for someone who thought before posting.

>>7405562
>Why is it garbage though?
I don't give a fuck about your beef with someone else. I mentioned that the secondary characters are unimportant in SAO and that's all I said.

>>7405565
t. ironic weeb

>>7405567
>important to the plot
>to the plot
How are they not / in what way should have they been important to it as secondary characters?

And how is it a thought on the art style (OP's question)n? Looks like an ironic weeb knee-jerk reaction to SAO being mentioned.

>>7405571
>in what way should have they been important to it as secondary characters?
that's a question an ironic weeb would ask. A true weeb would know the answer already by sheer virtue of reading good manga.
Don't reply to me anymore retarded ironic weeb

ironic weeb BTFO

>>7405573
t. ironic weeb
>true weeb
otaku*

>>7405573
So you can't justify your claim? Man, at least quote Digibro or something.

are we really going to have a bump limit thread on sao's art style?

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>>7405579
SAO's art style is pretty based so why not?

>>7405581
which face is the one she makes with 2 years worth of baby batter flows endlessly into her?

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>>7405512
>Nice, interesting that his older sister is the character designer of K-On.
I love her art.

>>7405581
>based
I mean, it's alright?
There's a reason people call it generic tho
Good style to study, wouldn't recommend adopting.

>>7405459
You actually watched all those?

Great, it left a precedent and set a standard, a standard that nowadays became tired and for the newer SAO generates no interest but it was all a consequence of the massiveness.

>>7405705
>*genə-, also *gen-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
Why do Westoids think "generic" is some great insult? All of anime is generic because it belongs to a genus. Non-generic can be either good (creating a new style) which will become part of the culture or outright bad (most westoid idiosyncratic art that chases novelty)

>>7405705
Are you blind? why are you calling it gene--- Oh wait this is /IC I forgot people crab artist they are jealous off. Carry on.

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>>7405445
am i the only one who only likes animu that overtly apes old western cartoons? lots of people on /ic/ seem to have the exact opposite opinion in that they're only attracted to the allure of the new, shiny post 2010s iteration of anime with characteristically big bug eyes for every female character, ubiquitous androgyny, tiny v shaped chins, invisible noses, etc. i can't think of a single anime i like that employs these traits in its art style and frankly i find it completely soulless and dare i say ugly despite its concerted efforts to minmax its mass appeal.

>>7406338
Give example of old western cartoons? Pretty sure a lot of those 80s cartoons had Japan's help.

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>>7406338
>i can't think of a single anime i like that employs these traits in its art style
Because you don't really like anime and are likely an ironic weeb. The art styles were always in a process of refinement and improvement and there was always a big range of anime styles with different looks that always retain their anime nature, this remains true even today.
You can't draw any existing anime (or old for that matter) convincingly so you think it can be boiled down to a set of buzzwords designed to make non-artistic ironic weebs sound smart.

>>7405445
God tier anime 4spics overhated in the 2010s for no reason other than the fact that the target audience is young heterosexual men

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>>7406381
>for no reason other than the fact that the target audience is young heterosexual men
>its main hater trooned out and his life is in a downward spiral
pottery

>>7405705
Post your work.

>>7405445
Every single woman + Kirito has the same face. This holds true even to the most recent installments of the series.

>>7406349
i do not consider myself a weeb at all. i hardly ever sit down to watch an anime. i don't think all modern anime is the same, i acknowledge the fact that there is never a 100% concrete industry standard that every show must follow. however as you said it is in a state of constant change and thus over time certain elements are virtually lost, for example the picrel i posted could never be made in 2024. i'm curious to know if you think that what drove anime artstyles to change so drasticwlly wasn't for mass appeal purposes, though. the moe phenomenon exemplifies this perfectly

>>7406349
and i forgot to ask but what is the purpose of calling me an ironic weeb if you acknowledge the fact that i likely don't care much for anime? there is nothing ironic about my stance on anime, i don't go out of my way to tout my opinion as that of an authentic weeb, i just like the "look" of older western inspired anime. i see people throwing this term around haplessly so i've come to believe it's completely meaningless

>>7406436
>over time certain elements are virtually lost
Why do people who admittedly don't watch anime feel the need to speak about it in such universal terms?
>picrel i posted could never be made in 2024
There is nothing inherently old about it besides the execution of the art style. I would name some living artists who are an evolution of this tradition but I don't want it to get degraded in a low-tier conversation.

>the moe phenomenon
But you only know about it from Western video essays i.e. bad actors who can't draw anime retelling you their flawed interpretation of the art. Westerner "art critics" who don't read Japanese or draw anime are infamous for not being able to understand moe, their opinions are worthless.
tldr is that artists find what works better art wise to depict what they're trying to do and anime watchers agree with them, over time there is more variety and only people who don't like anime (or like some hyperspecific period of anime not for it being anime but because they think it reminds them of something else) think it's all trying to follow one set of "mass appeal" rules instead of what just looks good for the works and works technically. even in this thread you can see this playing out.

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>>7406430
why the lies?

>>7406439
It's a pretty common viewpoint among ironic weebs so sorry for lumping you together with them. The similarity is that they say they like anime (usually only some specific subset of it) but not for the reason of it being good anime but because it appeals to some external criteria they impose on it.

>>7406452
>Why do people who admittedly don't watch anime feel the need to speak about it in such universal terms?
it's true i don't watch anime on a regular basis and do not busy myself much with the current trends of the industry; i am just asserting this from what i've seen at a first glance from glossing over trending anime charts. i admit my judgement may have been hasty.
>There is nothing inherently old about it besides the execution of the art style.
also true, but you miss the point. it is not in the interest of any studio to release an anime imitating the style of the one i posted because people, i.e. the masses consider it outdated, and it would not be profitable. the masses are a conduit for trends, this is the truth
>But you only know about it from Western video essays i.e. bad actors who can't draw anime retelling you their flawed interpretation of the art. Westerner "art critics" who don't read Japanese or draw anime are infamous for not being able to understand moe, their opinions are worthless.
you don't need to watch western video essayists (which i don't) to understand that moe as a phenomenon gained increasing traction in the mid 2000s, became a considerable economic force in the japanese entertainment industry, and eventually came to change the entire landscape of modern anime, for better or for worse. moe is ubiquitous in japan, just look at the phenomenon of moe anthropomorphization and how it's used in the design of japanese mascots.
>only people who don't like anime think it's all trying to follow one set of "mass appeal" rules instead of what just looks good for the works and works technically.
okay, but who dictates what looks good? why does sao look "better" than the anime i posted? did these changes happen in a vaccuum, or did something external influence them, like say, the changing conceptions of what looks good in the public's eyes?

>>7406458
i'm not really familiar with the term. i see why it might have a reason for existing, but i don't see what's wrong with having a personal preference regarding anime art styles during certain periods of times. i agree that it is relative; sao looks generic, so so called ironic weebs may scoff at it and then put all 80s anime on a pedestal, not realizing the average 80s anime was once considered trite and generic too; but the difference is i acknowledge this and for me it's simply a matter of design. i like bold lines, characters with proeminent noses, hand drawn backgrounds, traditional animation, so i'm obviously going to like the look of older anime more.

>>7406468
>it is not in the interest of any studio to release an anime imitating the style of the one i posted
>i am just asserting this from what i've seen at a first glance
This seems to be the issue.

>why does sao look "better" than the anime i posted?
it's not about the style of SAO itself being better or worse than your pic, because many styles still exist in contemporary anime and of course even ones that execute the style you posted but to a greater level of artistic mastery. it's not a competition of styles being better or worse because they exist in harmony but rather artists finding better ways to do what the different styles were always aiming at.

no changes happen in a vacuum and tastes change but beauty and good looks are not purely subjective (which is the dominant view in the west) so it's never "dumb masses" arbitrarily dictating what's popular with no regard for artistic beauty. the top artists who develop anime styles forward are themselves anime fans.

>>7406468
>; i am just asserting this from what i've seen at a first glance from glossing over trending anime charts
You can't really tell a shows art direction from whatever promo art is posted on mal. You should at least look at the trailers to get an idea. You're probably glossing over a lot of hidden gems and you're not hearing about it because everyone is talking about Fry Rens and Oh she no kos. Especially when it comes to MAL ratings--you cannot just go by that. A lot of shows with nice experimentation get glossed over.

And so, we have people like you saying anime is all the same nowadays when every now and then we do get something different and fresh.

>>7406474
> i don't see what's wrong with having a personal preference regarding anime art styles during certain periods of times
There isn't anything really wrong if you just have a preference and are a casual viewer. But I'd say you're missing out on things if this preference is clouding your judgement of anime art in general.
>i like bold lines, characters with proeminent noses, hand drawn backgrounds, traditional animation
You don't really like old anime only for these things because all of this exists in 2024. There's something more to it and that's where the dangerous ironic weeb type views might be influencing you because it's just such a dominant mindset in the West.

>>7405483
Solo leveling is way better than SAO but SAO isn't THAT bad

Oh by the way

https://myanimelist.net/anime/58502/Zenshuu

This should be mandatory /ic/ viewing.

>>7406479
>And so, we have people like you saying anime is all the same nowadays when every now and then we do get something different and fresh.
yes i've reiterated this a couple of times. i myself for example have watched frieren this year and genuinely enjoyed its art direction and was pleasantly surprised by it because most anime released at this moment don't come anywhere near the level of artistic mastery i saw in that anime.
>>7406480
>all of this exists in 2024.
okay, well, i'm open to being put on these animes that fit the bill for what i described. some years ago i'd attempt to find modern animes that imitated the artistic trends of the 80's by filtering through keywords and never had luck, so i'm curious where you're finding them and what their name is. i don't want to dislike modern anime.

>>7406488
>because most anime released at this moment don't come anywhere near the level of artistic mastery i saw in that anime.
what makes you think you're fit to evaluate the artistic mastery of most anime kek

>>7406338
>the new, shiny
This is the only thing I agree with you here to some degree. Modernime is too saturated in colors and it's pretty apparent after 2010. But at the same time the shiny and bright colors is good in its own way. A lot of shows pre 2010 somehow retained the late 90s look.
>anime with characteristically big bug eyes for every female character
This is just what's popular and what sells. You're not going to buy (well, maybe you would but not me) a dakimakura of a fugly office worker in her 30s that doesn't have these traits. I guess even me bringing up body pillows is yet another symptom of where the anime industry turned. Companies cater to my wallet, not yours. It's just how it is.

>>7406488
>okay, well, i'm open to being put on these animes that fit the bill for what i described.
Maybe some anons will answer you but I strongly believe in gatekeeping and that would go against my principles. I think you will find what you're looking for if you study the landscape just for the art's sake and not out of some vague notions about 80s anime being better, because you didn't really describing anything specific in what you like. It's very vague and many things you don't expect would easily fit it.
Don't look for imitations of trends but for top artists (character designers, chief animation directors) known for a more realistic art style, and look at the shows they worked on.

>>7406503
>Modernime is too saturated in colors and it's pretty apparent after 2010.
>tfw you watch anime only on a calibrated sRGB screen
anyone know about the color standards for modern TV? I personally don't see it as very saturated when viewed on an accurate screen.

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>>7406503
>I guess even me bringing up body pillows is yet another symptom of where the anime industry turned.
It's not like dakimakura are a new thing, they're older than many people browsing 4chan. The reddit tier memes that were popular in recent times probably make it seem much newer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b81O1mupL3k

>>7406491
nothing... i'm just saying, take a look at the top trending anime on mal right now. are you seeing an elevated level of artistic mastery being utilized? you don't need to be a pro level artist to discern what's beautiful and innovative and what's trite and tacky and boring.
>>7406504
ok, fair if you want to gatekeep, but i think you have the wrong idea about why i prefer older anime as opposed to newer ones. 90% of it is really the medium; i love traditional animation an inordinate amount but the problem is most of the trad animation i consume is of european origin. i've watched an inordinate amount of it and want to explore new horizons with japanese animation, it's not out of some misguided "old good new bad" bias

>>7406537
>you don't need to be a pro level artist to discern what's beautiful and innovative and what's trite and tacky and boring.
yes you absolutely do.

>>7406541
so are we in agreement that frieren is vastly more beautiful and wonderfully animated than the average schoolgirl seasonal slop or not?

>>7406545
You are out of touch, old man. Pretty sure we had a well animated school life show called losing heroines. It may not be a dry ren but it was decent enough

>>7406545
>seasonal "slop"
I don't think you have the ability to judge it accurately based on the ironic weeb buzzwords but even if we agree that Frieren is better animated than most shows created in the same year, that doesn't lower the absolute level of those shows.
You need high anime drawing ability to call something "slop" and even to see why something good is actually good beyond vague MAL platitudes. Saying a good show is good is easy if everyone already considers it good and it's the socially safe answer, but actually judging the mastery behind it consistently and on a "reproducible" level is impossible without drawing skill. Why do you think those who do corrections are higher in anime staff? Because to see what's good and bad (and why) is a high level of skill.

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>>7406537
>are you seeing an elevated level of artistic mastery being utilized?
Yes, what gave it away?

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>>7405693
>>7405512

>>7406456
>>7405581
>>7405477
Where do you find these?

>>7406558
https://e-hentai.org/g/1890687/11df5b7f68/
https://e-hentai.org/g/1894607/8eb640d33a/

>>7406561
Thanks!

>>7406537
>why i prefer older anime as opposed to newer ones. 90% of it is really the medium;
I'm not sure what you mean?

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>>7406550
i understood this post as an invitation to post my work, so on a scale from 1 to 10, how much judgement am i allowed to pass on what anime are good or not?

>>7406584
3/10, go go gadget extendo arm

But to be real for a sec, who the fuck actually thinks you need to be a good artist to rate art? That's some actual retard speak. This is /ic/, that discounts pretty much this entire board.

>>7406593
>who the fuck actually thinks you need to be a good artist to rate art?
it was the normal opinion until (((academia))) brainwashed people into believing there's a special class of people that can do nothing by themselves but somehow have the qualifications to judge art in depth

>>7406599
(((((((source)))))))
Fuck off with your supremacist bullshit

>>7406584
western/10
study anime artists and you'll start understanding the wonderful world of anime more. your desire to judge will be replaced with a desire to learn.

>>7406602
>supremacist
How is it supremacist? Academic promotion of ugliness and degeneracy as something high while lacking any real skill is what's "supermacist". Anyone can pick up anime but that requires effort, it's much easier to watch a youtube video analysis of anime and how it's le samefaced.

>>7406607
becoming an anime artist is not in my interest (i want to study master artists) but can you point out what exactly gives away the fact that a westerner drew it? also, do i still count as a westerner if i am eastern european?

>>7406609
That doesn't look like a source, that's just dumb chud shit.

>>7406614
>give me academic sources when the post is denying academia as valid
Kek.

>>7406615
I didn't ask for an academic source, I asked for something you didn't make up. So I guess it's just made up. Sorry you're such a colossal cunt bro.

>>7406612
Western in this context has nothing to do with origin but with aesthetics. Attempts to draw anime without studying anime artists with the goal of copying them always give a certain uncanny feeling.

>can you point out what exactly gives away the fact that a westerner drew it?
the face makes it clear the person who drew it didn't study much anime but just draws his idea of it. most beginner japanese artists copy directly from anime and are already steeped in it so they skip this uncanny stage, their beginner art tends to already look like anime because they now what they're trying to achieve.
also westerners usually mix western style detailed lighting/bodies with anime without understanding how anime faces work in a more realistic style.

>>7406617
It's just my personal experiences of seeing college students give their epic opinions online.

>>7406626
Thanks, good to know it's a worthless statement.

>>7406627
But but but I thought we should listen to different folks and voices?

>>7406629
Fuck that. The paradox of tolerance says you're cunt.

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>>7406625
you're right, the head does feel tacked on. i don't have my own original approach to drawing anime so i just directly copied it from a reference image. i made picrel with no reference. like i said i don't care much for improving my anime drawing skills just to be able to declare whether x anime is good or not but it's a fun exercise

>>7406635
>just to be able to declare whether x anime is good or not
Why though? Just watch the things you like and you'll develop a taste given some time. Leave critiquing anime art without drawing it to the youtube grift crowd.
This pic looks much more anime by the way.

>>7406635
He's just bullshitting. Amateur asian artists draw nearly identically.

>>7406643
>asian
>not japanese
kek

>>7406645
Don't think that distinction matters permabeg

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>>7406647
>Don't think that distinction matters

>>7406652
Shit, I forgot, you're a chud cunt.
Sorry, bud, I'll be sure to be more needlessly racist next time for ya.

Still, shit jap artists draw the same way.

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>>7406656
>>Shit, I forgot, you're a chud cunt.
>Sorry, bud, I'll be sure to be more needlessly racist next time for ya.
>
>Still, shit jap artists draw the same way.

>>7406658
Is that supposed to mean something? I did say that, yes.

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>>7406656
>lumping "slanty-eyed" people together as asian
>not racist

>>7406661
Look man, unless you've got a good comeback hidden away in there, I'm just going to get bored. I get doing the dumb edgy shit to be a funny guy, but you're really not that funny bud. Like, pretty sad actually.

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>>7406338
>>7406488
How many 80s anime have you actually watched?

>>7405483
>pic
I hate both

>>7405445
never watched sao and have no interest in it whatsoever but the style looks great and the op pic and all the reference material are really well drawn

Why do people pretend japanese artists don't have ton of different artstyles

>>7406812
the only anime art style is fate stay night didnt you know

>>7406739
i've watched a few. the ones i liked most were mostly OVAs though, like angel's egg, vampire hunter d, violence jack, black magic m66
off the top of my head i also like robotech, gundam, golgo 13, city hunter. like i said i don't watch much but these left a strong impression on me

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>>7406814
I'll forever rag on how lazy he's gotten with the technical work as of late but Takeuchi is unironically an S-tier designer

>>7406310
>>7406317
Number 1 rule on semantics: It only counts *how* it's used, not the root word. Etymology is cool, but you are using it in bad faith.
It's like you are complaining that your salary isn't paid in salt.
Generic, as it's used in art, is a derogatory term that means "lacking individuality". That's what I am talking about.

>>7407039
>as it's used in art,
in westoid art*
but their opinion on it can be dismissed without losing anything valuable.

>>7407057
Let me get this straight. You are saying that we shouldn't try to have individuality cause westoid inferior?

>>7405550
No, solo leveling is better than this harem shit, get the Japanese crap out of your head, racist, and don't insult Koreans, Kim Jung Gi beats 95% mangakas

>>7408362
Kim Jung Gi doesn't have a manga. Kim Jung Gi therefore does not beat 95% of mangakas.

>>7408384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVfV_SQKrU

More of a manhwa cause he is korean, but he did comics.

Why doesn't he ever post his work?

>>7408362
Good mangakas beat 95% of mangakas and also your gookshit

>>7408362
>Kim Jung Gi
he put all his points in "le quirky drawing without sketch" but zero points in style. the end result is literal glorified marvel concept art.

>>7406665
ayo your girl friend's boyfriend's here
what funko pop did you want to play with tomorrow? just don't go upstais, it's for yo mentol healf

>>7406812
no openness to experience