I just found out on average Oda has 5 assistants. I waste years of my life thinking I had to learn every fundamental only to find out that mangaka don't even bother learning those things, they just make assistants do it. You don't have to learn how to draw backgrounds when 4 assistants can draw the background for you. Reality is some mangaka are just scribbling while assistants polish their work for them.
>>7408210When did you realize that most of a manga page is not drawn by the mangaka? Why did /ic/ sell a lie by criticizing manga when the truth is that it was never possible to have this quality SOLO while putting out weekly chapters.
Noo! You figured out our secret!All you have to do is, make a best selling manga, and then you can hire assistants to do the rest!But you'll never find out the other secret....if you have enough money already, you can just hire people off the bat, and never worry about being creative in the first placeOh no! I spilled the beans!
Why did /ic/ try to make it sound like being a mangaka is easy? (18+ pages a week, on average 40 drawings a week) and that's with 4-5 assistants. Why did /ic/ make it sound like all we had to do was work hard. Where the fuck are we going to find 5 assistants to help us?
>>7408214only on /ic/ will people lie to you and tell you that it isn't impressive to do 30+ drawings like this per week for 10+ years.
this is what oda's art style looks like without assistants to polish it. This is the level of art skill you need to be ready.
>>7408210nigga, everyone knows thismuira had so many assistants he opened up a studio for themgantz had double digit people working on itetc etc
>>7408223Ok so where do I get 5 assistants?
>>7408235you pay them like everyone elseassistants are paid out of pocket
>>7408239Much easier to do in Japan where you can find 5 people within literal walking distance from your apartment who can draw competently and don't need 3 other full time jobs just to keep the lights on
>>7408242>average mangaka>doesn't need additional jon\bsAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
>>7408246Are you having a stroke anon?They can afford to spend time working a literal "experience" job for peanuts because they don't have to spend that time working another real full time job to get by.
>>7408248move to japan retard LMAO
>>7408210You're going to be even more upset to learn that when cities are used as a background in manga 99% of the time it's just a picture taken and scanned in
>>7408251This is why 99% of manga take place in Tokyo. No need to design anything or think of a setting, just take pictures outside your window and throw a few filters over them
>>7408254well, that and also that's where every third nip lives
>>7408214Cope. They all suck ass and want to convince themselves that they don't need to actually put in effort.
>>7408262are you illiterate
>>7408262>Why did /ic/ make it sound like all we had to do was work hard.>They want to convince themselves that they don't need to actually put in effort.learn english before sperging
>>7408275You think I'm going to bother actually reading comments in a troll thread
>>7408211>When did you realize that most of a manga page is not drawn by the mangaka? around 2012, they had a manga about manga or something
>>7408212Time to apologize to Dad for saying I didn't need a day job if I got good enough.
>>7408214>Why did /ic/ try to make it sound like being a mangaka is easy?who the fuck has ever said that
>>7408248>They can afford to spend time working a literal "experience" job for peanuts because they don't have to spend that time working another real full time job to get by.not anymore, there's actually been a shortage in assistants recently due to the salary not being enough to live on anymore
>anon finds out mangakas only draw characters and assistants draws the backgroundsKek. No shit. Watch the Manben episode about Shigeru Mizuki. Literally 70% of his manga had beautiful backgrounds made by his 2 assistants.
>>7408210My question is, I see these nips streaming their mangas all the time. Are they all really just soloing everything themselves or are there secretly 2+ people or more taking turns with everything?
>>7408391You wont find a single weekly that is draw entirely by one person.
Ok, anons, I'm not super assertive, but I am pretty tall with a wide frame so I do come off as intimidating. Level with me, can I get a harem of femboys to sexually please me and turn my perverted scribbles in a hit manga? It can't be that hard, can it?
>>7408394That can't be true though. They all look so talented at what they're drawing I can't imagine it's really all just multiple people going in and out from the computer desk. I think that's just part cope that it's not solo work.
renaissance painters were the same way. They came from houses or guilds where the main artist would plan everything out and assistants would fill in all the details. Especially when it comes to sculptures. bernini is always praised for being the best sculpture to ever live but he had a team of assistants to crank that shit out. A single sculpture would take like 7 years.
>>7408220Nah they do that even more on /a/.
>>7408394Seven Deadly Sins was.Well, technically he had people helping with the tones, but that manga had pretty minimal use of toning so practically speaking yeah it was entirely drawn by one guy.
>>7408210your faggot drawing skills will not be even allowed to do assistant work for sure, don't even post your work
>>7408210and you think a single manga series is drawn by one person?this is the manga "industry" where a single volume is made by a team of people, don't get in your head that you have to learn every thing in art just to get good and making one yourselfOda just pitched the idea of One Piece and needed to hire a team of artist and writers to work on this single manga>>7408211its sad that so many try hard think that way, not realizing that this is a trillion yen industry where getting as many content produced for more profit that hiring a team to work on a single manga is a priorityyou can never be good at all things in art, just stick to where you're good at and know the limits and if you still insist, the use AI
>>7408628>and you think a single manga series is drawn by one person?I'm literally watching 1 guy draw a manga all by himself live. What is this disinfo?
>>7408628>and you think a single manga series is drawn by one person?There's a lot of manga series drawn by one person. Or did you think all manga is weekly?By the way, no japanese publisher requires anybody to work with assistants. The author is free to hire as few or as many assistants as they want. It ultimately just comes down to how much of a life said author wants to have outside of his or her work.And by the way, it's common for authors to start their series with no assistants, because they need to pay the assistants out of pocket and until the series starts selling they won't have much money to work with.Anyway it's obvious that this is just a troll thread to spread misinfo/bait people into correcting them so that's all you're getting from me.
>>7408210>>7408211>>7408214>>7408231Alot of minsinformation goin around here1- Sandman is a weird stalker that is one step away from harassing Oda in real life so take everything he says with a grain of salt2- We will never know exactly what is done by who in these works3 - we've seen oda drawing backgrounds in the color spreads so he probably draws backgrounds and ships fairly often, especially 20 fucking years ago4 - Miura was notoriously stubborn when it came to assistants, id say 90% of Berserk was done by him including backgrounds5 - if you want to see actual Miura assistant art look up Duranki, that one is almost entirely done by assistants because Miura wouldnt let them touch Berserk6- if we are talking about embarrassing assistant exploitation look no further than the 30 or so recent chapters of chainsawman
>>7408633it take a lot of planning, prototyping, and trials for a single volume to work, this is how its done, all the BS about >get good at this>perspective this>correct anatomy this>Loomins thatare all misleading than just doing the drawing and building up there, it makes sense why AI is was a must have thingand if I were to waste my time getting mislead by beggers here, I'd rather just AI it to get the results
>>7408210if this isn't true it needs to become true he's getting old i don't want him to over work himself anymore. also anon this manga is weekly we can't be surprised by this.
>>7408646That's not misleading to get good at all of those things. You're just intimidated by hard work. There's no question why you keep bringing up AI to help you.
>>7408642What a crock of shit.They made Duranki not because hurr durr Miura didn't lt them touch Berserk, but because Berserk was on hiatus and they had nothing to do because spoiler alert: making Berserk was their job.>359 - 23 August 2019>Duranki - September 9, 2019 – May 9, 2020>260 - 24 April 2020>361 - 22 July 2020
>>7408663Fuck you stupid faggot, just read a Post miura death Berserk chapter and it is clear as day Miura was ding Berserk almost entirely by himself, in the most ecent chapter there's a city drawing the is comically bad
>>7408665>lies through his teeth>gets confronted>MUH FEEFEESFuck off, you dumb nigger
>>7408666FUCK YOU FAGGOT
piece of shit fuck you, muh feefees my ass you retarded chimp
>>7408671>chapter doesn't take 6 months to come out>wtf it doesn't look as detailed!!(You)
>>7408677it took 6 months to come out, fuck you
>>7408677That chapter did actually take 6 months to come out before the last one though.Bit disingenuous of that anon still though, almost every single panel looks great except one or two shots of the city. It's pure cherrypicking. If anything it's pretty impressive they managed to get it to look this close to the man's own work.
>>7408671>>7408674>based miura would neve- ACK
>>7408679it doesn't look great at all, it is full of chicken scratch and over reliance on screen tonecompare to an actual miura banger to see the difference
>>7408681>moving to goalpostskill yourself tranny
>>7408683>h-he wouldn't let them TOUCH berserk!>puts shitty low poly trees everywhere LMAO
>>7408642>that one is almost entirely done by assistants because Miura wouldnt let them touch BerserkDuranki was done to prep his assistants for continuing berserk without him. It wasn't a "You all aren't good enough to touch berserk until you do this!" situaion like you're making it sound.
>>7408686that is the point, he himself put them there because he was having fun on digital because it was new to him, it wasn't done by assistants
>>7408689>source: it was revealed to me while daddy touched me
>>7408687>. It wasn't a "You all aren't good enough to touch berserk until you do this!" situaionit was exactly that, I don't understand why it is so hard for you guys to accept that some mangaka are anal about using assistants, Togashi is another one
>>7408682I didn't think I'd need to clarify that I wasn't saying it looks as good as Miura's drawing but apparently that's necessary.Yes, it's uglier than Miura's best. Never said otherwise.>it is full of chicken scratch and over reliance on screen toneTrue, the line work itself isn't as carefully done. No chicken scratch to be seen though. And Miura also spammed screentones like crazy in the past decade or so of manga he made before he died. Even in the image you posted the only parts with no toning is the panel gutters.You made the part about Miura being stubborn about assistants up. There's no source for the claim, it's just what you assume based off the gap in skill between his own drawings and his assistant's drawings. You're leaping to a conclusion when the evidence to support it is pretty shaky, though I agree that I'm inclined to believe that Miura did a lot of the inking, even of the backgrounds, himself. It would certainly explain the glacial pace of releases. Just don't make up shit about a dead guy's character based on that, it's in incredibly poor taste, makes you look like a retard and makes the rest of your claims harder to believe as a result.
>h-he was paying a studio full of assistants because he DIDN'T use them you guise
>>7408687>Duranki was done to prep his assistants for continuing berserk without himWhy do people go on to the internet and just lie like this? Why the fuck would you think this? He was only in his 50s when he died, it's not like he was some infirm old bastard. His heart randomly exploded. Obviously he did not expect that to happen.
>>7408694It is not made up, there are tons of interviews of him and his assistants, them all said he was a perfectionist and would spend entire nights drawing the manga by himself before people even got to the studio
>>7408698Considering his release schedule, I doubt he expected to finish Berserk either way
>>7408693That doesn't make sense. Why would he hire people he didn't think were good enough to touch Berserk? If he's as stubborn as you say he is then he wouldnt bring on anyone he didn't think was good enough.>>7408698He didnt expect to flat out die but he was aware that his health might have not been the best. So even without death, in the event he couldn't finish berserk for one reason or another, he trained his assistants to do so in case of that scenario playing out.
>>7408699>just trust me broPost them.>>7408700Why not? Again, he was only in his 50s. That's a good decade at least to finish it. I'm sure he could see that he wouldn't be able to keep up his old pace, but that does not mean he was planning to fucking die and have his assistants continue without his own oversight.
what i've said about Miura I have reliable evidence but what i'm going to say here is pure guessI've always had a hunch that a good chunk of the chimera ants arc was drawn by Takeuchi, a few years ago the exhibition showed the original pages and it was done on Takeuchi signed paper so there's a bit of evidence, of course Togashi could've used paper from his wife but you know, the way Palm, Meruem and Pirou are drawn in some of his chapters just don't seem like the usual Togashi
>>7408707Anon that's not a signature, it's printed on the page. He just used some of his wife's manuscript paper.
>>7408710I KNOW this is a likely possibility but there's something, SOMETHING in the way Palm is drawn in this chapter that just doesn't seem like Togashi to me
>>7408704I'm just saying, did he even want to keep going? Seems he lost interest for the most part, it happens
>>7408714You're psyching yourself out dude, that still looks very much like Togashi's line work.>>7408714It's not like he a had a gun to his head to keep making the manga dude. If he truly lost interest, he could have simply not continued it. Many authors have done exactly that. No, what happened is that he decided to have a life outside of drawing manga and thus it slipped into a more normal human release schedule instead of the insanity that is normal manga production.
>>7408385>>7408248 > WHOOPS.
>>7408717 (Me)>You're psyching yourself out dude, that still looks very much like Togashi's line work.Meant for >>7408712
>>7408717>he could have simply not continued itHe could have also left it to his assistants to finish, avoid completely disappointing his fans of 3 decades, and kept taking the royalties.I'm not saying that's what happened, but between dropping it completely and that, after years of dragging his feet and kinda sorta working on it, I'd say it's the more likely outcome
>>7408720I know it sounds schizo, i'm just think in some panels the characters look weirdly cute, like this panel
>>7408723>after years of dragging his feet and kinda sorta working onWhat makes you think he didn't work on it every day? I work on manga too. It can just take a long fucking time if you're not constantly rushing it and cutting corners.>>7408725Anon I hate to break it to you but Togashi draws cute characters. That is and always has been a part of the manga. He doesn't need his wife to do that for him.
>>7408729I know he draws cute characters, i'm not saying eh did everything, just a couple of pannels
>/ic/ animetrannies are at point in time where they think they will be handed assistants at chapter 1 of manga work>that they will be like the fucking director just telling people how to draw scenesahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>7408397look at the stream. 8 hours to draw one picture doesn't explain how they get 40+ pages out a week for 10+ years.
>>7408397>>7408794Well, what's the stream? It's probably not a weekly series. Is it?
As it was explained to me by a Japanese woman, mangakas don't have assistants early on. It's not till they're established can they get them.
>want to save time/increase productivity rate of my comic>have money and a network that can help me find talented artistsI don't see anything wrong with hiring other artists to help lighten the load. And honestly, having to write, draw and ink 15+ pages a week is a monumental challenge even for a group of people. I truly pity manga artists.
>>7408833your japanese woman is full of shit, assistants are hired and paid by the mangaka, not the publisher, they don't ever "get" assistants, they pay themhence the above shit about miura, he didn't have assistants bestowed upon him by the publisher, he was their employer
>>7408220Yeesh. Impressive? Yes. Retarded? Also yes. No wonder they all eventually suffer from burnout and start wanting to kill themselves or claim sickness.
One Piece is a huge industry by itself. Not all mangaka can afford having 5 assistants. Many prefer to work alone.
>>7409275>Not all mangaka can afford having 5 assistantsPretty much all serialized mangaka can afford 5 assistants, they work for peanuts, you can find interviews online. Besides, the more assistants you have, the less they work individually anyway.
>>7409266How do they get a bunch of assistants when they are first starting out and not getting paid for a hit series? Even mediocre or average series don't pay out enough to cover salaries for several peopleUnless you think most mangaka are independently wealthy before starting
>>7408210what you are wrong about is that many mangakas dont see an assistant until they get serilized by a magazine and many of them are so elitist that they refuse to have them in the first place or in the other hand there are mangakas that think their work is so shitty that they dont need help. many assistants start to learn about writting and how to create interesting characters, reason why is very common for assistants to become mangakas with good series later on, for example tatsu used to work for fujimoto in chainsawman before launching dandadan.there are 2 types of assistants: your friends and the ones assigned by the magazine, the later one being artists that have mastery on their fundies but 0 creativity, a big example will be murata, good art but this guy cant write something of any value (you can argue all you want but this guy is an assistant for one who cant draw for shit)many mangakas can be done by a single person but after you hit certain status you work less and start claiming back pain or hand/eyes problems so the magazine put more work on assistants and u can literally tell which artists depend on their assistants by taking in consideration hiatus in their work
>>7409283last time I checked the average starting page rate for a weekly totaled over $6k gross, without royaltiesassistants are a work expense, so you can deduct it from taxes, too
>>7408682How long did Miura take on average to make a whole page?
>>7408646Lazy.
>>7409294>last time I checked the average starting page rate for a weekly totaled over $6k grossYou're going to need to revise this statement anon, there is no way the "page rate" (as in, pay-per-page) is $6k. Mangaka would be a casual millionaire gig if that were the case.Is this monthly?
it should be whitepilling. You dont need to reach the level of 5 masters working together. Your standards should be lower.
Kinda off topic but since Miura and Berserk were brought up, am I the only person that feels that Berserk begins falling off fast after the Golden Age Arc concludes? The art stays amazing but the story itself stops captivating me as much until it just feels more like a chore to read than actual enjoyment.
>>7409334I don't think it completely falls off. It goes from a 10 to a 9-8, then it began to really get into the 10 territory on the elf island, then the dude died.
>>7409329yeah, I meant it totaled over $6k monthly for a weekly manga
>>7409334There were generally 3 opinions last I read it (boat arc): it falls off a cliff after golden age, it falls off a cliff after convictions, and Uohhhhhhhhhh! Child erotic!!!!!
Tsugumomo mangaka does all his work assistantlessKaoru Mori also works without assistantsI feel we've discussed this before so I won't repeat myself
>>7409334I reread the conviction arc last week and I think in terms of art and paneling is even better than the golden age
>>7409293God I hate dunning kruegers so much.Hey retard, if you have to dream up a bunch of details, you're not illuminating any truth, just spreading more lies.>>7409294There's so much wrong with this post it's unreal.First of all, where the fuck did you check that gave you that number?Second, the average doesn't tell you anything useful here. Jump pays a different page rate from Beam pays a different page rate from Young Animal pays a different page rate from Magazine and so on. Page rates aren't standard.Third, you're assuming japanese taxation even HAS tax deductibles from work expenses. I'm checking now, and it seems like it doesn't. https://www.nta.go.jp/english/taxes/individual/pdf/incometax_2020/12.pdfFourth, 6000 yen (I'm assuming you just made a typo there and you don't actually believe anybody on earth is paid 6000 dollars of any kind per page) is peanuts. It's NOT enough to pay assistants. >>7409356 Even $6000 a month is pushing it. If you're very careful with your finances, you could maybe hire a couple of assistants. It's serious expense, you're hiring multiple part-time workers, unless you're a very exploitative employer you can bet that's gonna be expensive.
>>7409635>individualretard
>>7409635>A self-employed taxpayer is allowed to claim business expenses against income, provided it can be substantiated that the expenses are necessary.Literally took 30 seconds of googling, which wasn't necessary in the first place because even fucking Uganda more likey than not has business expense tax deductions for what should be obvious reasons.
>>7409645>>7409647My mistake.Rest of the post stands.
