Previous thread: >>7392704This is a thread for artwork created with physical media. This includes graphite, charcoal, clay and any kind of paint.The links below focus on Academic and Renaissance oil painting, graphite, and watercolor but feel free to add resources for other /trad/ media.If you have learning materials or info you'd like to share, feel free to post it here.You can also suggest links/ideas for the OP thread.Pastebin (full of links, soon to be revised):https://pastebin.com/47jcNJ4T
>>7408913Have you joined our draw-along?/TRAD/ has started a weekly video course for Russian Academic Drawing!We post new videos on a weekly basis and you are welcome to download the videos, post your results in the thread and talk about what you've learned.There's no real critique, just draw and chill!Previous Video Sections:Section 1:YUhSMGNITTZMeTluYjJacGJHVXVhVzh2WkM5M2RVRnNNM0USection2:YUhSMGNITTZMeTluYjJacGJHVXVhVzh2WkM5UmNHTXpTbkESection3:YUhSMGNITTZMeTluYjJacGJHVXVhVzh2WkM5eU5teHhRVWcSection 4:aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC8zTlBncXcSection 5:aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9zYTU5dGI(( New Sections! )):Section 6:aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9tbWtaMzMSection 7:aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC93QW0xV3I
>>7408913Gonna post a sleepy Endymion here!Good morning, /ic/!
>>7408917https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah3sNKLUi6E
>>7408917Good morning! and thanks for the new tread
>>7408917Nice tune!>>7408927GM, anon! No problem, glad to see you guys!It's about 4 AM where I am so I'm going to catch a few quick Z's and come back a bit later.
>>7408927Look for a Russian book with ISBN 978-5699250493. It has a bunch of good cubes. Copy them as accurately as you can.Teared paper is a likely indicator that you're not mindful and slow enough. So try to be more mindful and slower, it's actually critical.>>7408914I salute the effort, although, as I think I told you before, you'll be yelling in a void for the most part here. Post your work if you want critics or advises.
Doing pottery and sgraffito
>>7409104cut your nails, you're gross
>>7409108They’re not even long
>>7409111you're disgusting, anoncut your nails
>>7409118No
I am painting a bunny with oil but I have no idea what I'm doing. This is like my third oil painting and it just feels like a struggle with the material.Also, reminder to every anon: don't sniff the solvent up close to check how odorless it really is.
>>7409163>don't sniff the solvent up close to check how odorless it really issniffing glue is much safer anonalso what the fuck is that palatte? paynes grey(ivory black?) cad red med, yellow ochre, and cad yell deep?is it like some cursed version of the zorn pallatedont blend on the canvas and dont try to smooth everything, also pick a reference where you actually know what areas are in light and whitch are in shadow because this makes no sense i have no idea where the light is soming from,in short do some value studies with white and black to get used to oil
>>7409167also the cardboard is gonna soak all the oil from the paint, so use something else, even a plastic lid is better than this shit
>>7409163Looks fine. Maybe scumble the canvas to set down some tone before starting next time
>>7408914I'll participate eventually. Got my H6 pencil yesterday, knife, sandpaper, eraser.For paper I'll start out with a smaller sketchbook and upgrade to a board and A3 later
>>7408953>Copy them as accurately as you can.In the Russian academic tradition you suppose to paint cubes from observation.>>7409163>it just feels like a struggle with the materialOf course, you are trying to raw dog a giant dildo up your ass, without any lube.Your preprimed canvas is very absorbent. They dont do it proper, you have to put another 1 or 2 gesso layers on top, before starting painting.Raw paper as palette is no good eighter, it pulls the oil out of the paint.So in the end, you are trying to paint with a very dry paint on a very soaking canvas.Use a glass palette. Put gesso on your canvas. Or at least put a thin layer of oil on the canvas, before painting.>don't sniff the solvent up close to check how odorless it really is.I do it all the time wit turps, makes me feel alive. White spirit is disgusting though.My chemistry teacher teached us to sniff chemicals by holding the glass at arm length in front of you, and waving with the other hand towards your face. I always do it this way, with strong chemicals.
>>7409296>In the Russian academic tradition you suppose to paint cubes from observation.Have you even wondered why I've recommended drawing from the book, in particular over drawing from life?>>7409163Just keep going. You'll progressively understand how your material behaves, and progressively become able to control it.
>>7409533>Have you even wondered why I've recommended drawing from the book, in particular over drawing from life?What are you suggesting?
>>7409543That you're missing something, and that you have to work a little to get there, because I don't want to serve it to you on a plate
>>7409544Im good.
>>7409544Actually, you're wrong and not for the reasons you think I think you're wrong, but because there's something you're missing and that you have to work a little to get there, because I don't want to serve it to you on a plate
>>7409560>>7409590Your lack of respect just cost you all the advises and free critics I offered to give people here. I can almost guarantee you there's no one else with my level helping people for free in here.How stupid can you be.
>>7409611stupid enough to understand the difference between "advises" and advice and "critics" and "critiques" ;^)
>>7409611pay no attention to the fucking assholes, some of us know there's knowledgeable people hanging around here and we appreciate your input.
>>7409611I experienced the same a few times in this thread, argumentative assholes when you point out actual issues. It makes me want to not bother anymore.
>>7409611Wh..what? Well surely you have some WORK to show us?
>>7409163I feel like I want to give some tips.First, get a good palette, if you use cardboard, get a bigger piece and give it a coat of PVA glue or something so it isn't as absorbing, makes mixing easier.Also, arrange your paints more neatly, don't just dump them everywhere you think is suitable. A neat palette helps is absolutely essential. See pic to understand what I mean. You don't have to put down so many colours, but try to keep it neat and orderly.Also, starting from a white canvas can be challenging, putting down a light tone helps a lot, I personally like a raw umber rubbed in the canvas, it's a nice neutral brown perfect to start. Also, you can use the same paint for the underpainting, make a sketch with just raw umber, block in the darks and contours, and then you start mixing colours.It's a simple workflow but it helped me tremendously in making my work less messy.
How the hell do you get a consistent technique? after the initial big shapes idk wtf im doing anymore.
>>7408914For what website are those links
>>7409860First figure out a technique or methodology that helps you reach a desired goal, then stick to it and it will become "consistent".Working from big to small, from general to specific is a good way to go about drawing and painting.Can you show an example of your struggle?
>>7408953Got myself a digital copy. At a quick glance I can only find one cube (the drawing gets reused a couple of times). I have to look closer I guess. A 1.4GB 500 pages pdf is a little hard to skim.Looks like an interesting book though. Sadly I can't find a translated one. Tbh, slowness is not the problem here. The paper is from packaging and was ripped before. And my pencil is too hard (some freebie). We can maybe talk about mindfulness.When I draw, I sit down. But eventually, I want my drawing skills to be translated to an easel. That's why I try to avoid turning the paper too much. This results in more difficult horizontal lines and hatches.
>>7409835how is that the same, he didn't point out anything, he just said there's a super secret reason to use pictures instead of a model and he's not gonna tell unless he gets his dick sucked
The only thing you study in the Russian tradition is Bammes. Anything else you suppose to draw from observation.>>7409611>there's no one else with my levelPyw, clown.>>7409533>Just keep going.Can this tread continue to exist, without such profound tips, im not sure?>>7409862You have to figure it out on yourself, to be worthy of joining.
any guides on color and light?
>>7408914He works a lot with erasing and smudging. I'm not sure yet how I feel about that
>>7410426From what I have been told in various academies, either with pencil or charcoal (always nitram) smudging is usually not advised and you try to get an even tone as much as possible with fine penmanship, keeping your drawing tool razor sharp and with patience. Sometimes using a kneaded eraser to carefully even things out. In some cases a brush was allowed but usually only to rush a bit. With pencil you can reach a really clean level without any kind of smudging.I do recommend to avoid touching the paper with your fingers to keep oils out, smudging with the finger is really the only thing I absolutely would not recommend. Erasing is fine in my book, sometimes it's easier to make a mark and correct it, than it is to make the correct mark on a clean sheet of paper, just work with a light touch and erasing should be easy without burning the paper.These are mostly my opinions and experiences so take it as you will.
>>7410480The Russian tradition forbidden smudging, at least in earlier semesters, becouse they want to emphasize the volume of the form by laying the hatching across the form. The Italian school handles things very different.Im watching Vilppus course and he dont give a fuck, as long as the drawing has enough movement. He is working in the style of Italian Renaissance, specifically Mannerism. People like Michelangelo used a very calligraphic line. The hair for example is mostly about movement, not about form.P.S. you know, your reddit-spacing makes you look retarded?
>>7409875It's easier when you stand and have free range of motion in your hand and use an overhand grip on your pencil.Maybe try taping paper to the wall at eye level and try drawing on it, using your whole arm instead of the wrist and fingers. Maybe if you have a print of a Bargue or any other drawing you try to copy you can tape it next to it or practice cubes from memory/imagination and in different sizes and try pushing your drawing to get a really clean result by spending 5 hours with it.
>>7410492Yeah I added the spacing because it keeps things readable when phoneposting but if people disregard what I have to say based on whether I add an extra newline or not, that's their loss, I can't be arsed to be upset about that.
>>7408913Getting back into oil painting with still lifes. I have grown accustomed to working on paper and it's really hard for me to switch over to canvas. Working with oils on oil paper is just really nice, it's super super smooth. Canvas feels so rough in comparison.
>>7410531looks good! Just try not to use so much white everywhere, to keep your colors more lively. If you want to desaturate a color, maybe try using some complementaries first, and then some white.
>>7410480>>7410492>>7410503Thanks for the advice. I see my approach confirmed as that I should raw dog the whole process in the beginning. I've experienced this in other areas, that being overly pedantic and focusing on a very limited set of most basic elements, will snowball later on.To make this a little political, it is one of the reasons I like /ic/. No one deceive you about art being hard. Even the most minute mistakes are being pointed out. Right at you. I don't like the 'feel good' approach in all the other art forums.
>>7410531>I have grown accustomed to working on paper and it's really hard for me to switch over to canvas.You dont have to switch, use paper, why not?
>>7410531Canvas is not necessarily a requirement for oil paintings, it's more convenient for bigger artworks but it's perfectly fine to work on panels or paper, some even paint on sheets of copper, you can get more smooth than that.Good job, keep it up!
>>7412134absolutely true, although every surface has its own characteristics. I find that on a properly prepared canvas I can put down a brushstroke and completely remove it with a rag afterwards, leaving almost no sign of it. Wooden panels, no matter how I prepare them, always absorb a lot more paint, making it much harder to remove brushstrokes. Which is still fine, you can always cover it up with another brushstroke, but it makes for a messier painting. Paper is even more absorbent than panels, which makes me think you lose more money by using paper, just because of all the extra paint you need to apply.
>>7410545I tried to desaturate using complements, but I think I overrelied on white again. I'm making an effort to use them as it does look much better. Also, thank you!>>7412134Oh, that's good to hear! I will stick to paper then. I was concerned about the oil absorption, but I've been using either gesso over bristol or a paper specific for oil. I had no idea people paint on copper! >>7411554I was concerned over the oil absorption/longevity of the work on paper.Yesterdays still life, I tried to paint glass. Again a lot of white.
>>7409878As someone who has done a couple of Bargue plates and spend an ungodly amount on them, I can give you a reason why you would work from pictures.In the case of Bargues, I have learned that when you start a copy you should always ask "what lessons do I want out of this", each plate has lessons to teach you, try and figure out what they are, or what you want out of a plate.In many cases it has taught me how to render form on a 2 dimensional surface, that is probably the biggest thing, how to create the sensation of mass and 3 dimensionality, the plates show you how this can be done through drawing. Something that can be difficult to figure out when you work from observation alone. It has improved my observational work also in that sense.Then, many interesting plates also have some solutions to deal with anatomical challenges, there's about 50 plates just with simplified figures they can provide a good warmup practice if you want to do life figure drawing as they lay the foundation for balance, rhythm and proportion in figure drawing.Heck even the section on master copies in the Bargue book is interesting.The only issue with Bargue is that many of the 150 plates are not available in high resolution, even the book is just a collection of the plates with many of them scaled down to almost thumbnail size while some plates are originally quite a lot bigger than the size of the book. Still, there's many to be found online, get some printed, the figure plates are more about lines so there's not much need for a really high resolution. These are just tools, not a "one and only" learning method, use it alongside other ways of learning and practice, understand the value in copying the plates, don't do it mindlessly and see how you can render in pencil or charcoal. Value it for what it is.
>>7412240I have had issues with wooden panels too, but it really comes down to how you prepare them.I have used MDF, plywood, even just sheets of pure oak. I tried different grounds too and if I want a really non-absorbent surface I just cover them in a couple of layers of slightly watered down PVA glue, it's a cheap way (probably not very archival) to prepare any kind of surface, I find it very convenient to use when I have scrap wood that I use for practice. Gesso in my experience tends to stay quite absorbent, sometimes I just give a gesso surface a layer of old paint, I like to paint over a base layer of paint also, it's just a bit nicer.And heck, sometimes I just glue scrap canvas to panels because it's a pleasure to paint on a really rigid canvas.I guess in the end the absorbency is what is going to influence your painting experience the most.
>>7412265The golden grail of preparations is oil grounds, you can apply it on top of a PVA-prepared surface, or on top of a gessoed surface. Just one or two layers of oil grounds is enough. Super smooth and silky!
>>7412258literally the only reason bargue is done from plates is that the plates are huge and copied for very long times, and in order to have a group of people all looking at the same cast at the intended size and with consistent lighting, you'd need a huge hall with massive fucking casts that someone needs to move every time
>>7412272I have been to academies and they all do cast drawings after a couple of Bargues, some big some small, everyone just has their own setup. What are you even talking about? You don't need a lot more space than for a Bargue.Besides "bargue is done from plates", is a bit confusing, the "Bargues" as I call them ARE plates, Charles Bargue made the plates as a tool for learning. Bargues are not "done from plates" they are the plates.
>>7412294bargue is a course designed around lithograph platescast drawing isn't bargue
>>7412294>smallIf you're doing small, you're not doing Bargue, plate or plaster, it doesn't matter. The size is the point.
>>7412297Exactly, that's what I am saying, please tell that to the other guy.
>>7412315I am the other guywhat I'm saying is that you're not gonna keep a cast in an academy sitting at the same angle with the same light for 500 work hours with everyone sitting far enough back to get usable light angles doing a short cast study isn't "doing bargue"losing the relevant halftones because you have to sit to the side in a semi-circle isn't "doing bargue"in order for the actual bargue course (not bargue-like or whatever you're talking about) to be done on casts, the casts have to be huge in order for the students to be far enough to get useful angles without rounding the cast, the casts have to be undisturbed for very long periods, and someone needs to haul the casts every time from wherever the 80 or however many different casts you'd need for bargue are being stored
>>7412321I have no idea wth you're talking about. Casts are done individually, you sit in your corner with the cast of your choosing, light it as you wish, and then you fucking draw it. In pic related she's advanced to the painting stage, but it would be the same thing with graphite.
>>7412327you are fucking illiterate
>>7412321Fucking hell mate what are you on about?No one said "doing bargue" is sitting far away in a semi circle doing a short cast study, you came up with that yourself. From what I have seen every student just has their own cast setup, only figure drawings are done in groups. And 500 hours is excessive. None of the exercise should take more than 150 hours to complete and the average figure is drawn or painted in 60.Where did you get the idea that "the actual bargue course" needs a huge cast far away from the student and has to be done with a group of students at the same time?
>>7412327Which is absolutely nothing like Bargue for the exact reasons he outlined.
>>7412339NTA, I personally know multiple people who put in 800 hours into a plate, you absolutely are supposed to put in far more than 80 hours in.>No one said "doing bargue" is sitting far away in a semi circle doing a short cast studyHe didn't say that either.
>>7412342putting 800h into a plate is retarded as fuck, 800h would be acceptable for a life size multi figure narrative painting not a fucking xerox of a mans back
>>7412339nigger, the actual bargue course was designed for groups, are you retarded?that is why it uses plates and not casts, because the group setup necessitates static, unchanging angles to the subjectI actually went to an academy, and sitting in a semi circle is EXACTLY how you do long cast studies
>>7412340It's a cast drawing, like the anon who posted the pic said.A typical Bargue setup looks something like this.
>>7412347Those plates of a man's back are life sized. People really underestimate the grind Bargue entails.
>>7412353Again, NTA but see >>7412355 and >>7412300That's not a Bargue plate, that plate should be half a meter wide.
>>7412355i have done plenty of them i find it pointless to do it life sized since its gonna take you so long to render i also dont do them sight size because i dont care if i mess up certain areas by 1mm as long as it still reads correctly it doesnt matter. its stupid how bargues have become this autistic grind when it was literaly just teaching you how to draw and shade accurately
>>7412361Other way around, it was an autistic grind and it became a hipster meme with zero effort because you're too lazy to put in the work and think you know better than Bargue.
>>7412361>shade accuratelyBargue's idea of accuracy and yours probably don't line up, you were supposed to reproduce the plate exactly, not close enough
>>7412356God damn mate, this is getting exhausting. I cannot really tell but the foot as in that pic looks more or less half a meter wide.Besides, it's still a Bargue plate. Which is what the drawing course by Charles Bargue and Jean-Leon Gerome is about. a collection of plates intended for study.
>>7412363are you retarded? check out ramon hurtado's lectures on the french academie.bargue was also basically unknown to the internet untill recently . this was the work of a student that was deemed good enough to not need to copy casts anymore, it somehow lacks autistic rendering
>>7412369>Besides, it's still a Bargue plateA Bargue plate is a plate as produced by Bargue.A 6cmx4cm reproduction is not a Bargue plate.You can't state things about the course and then go>well I do it from my phone in 3 hours and it's fineYou're not talking about Bargue at that point, it's just some shit you do>>7412371I did Bargue academically a long time ago, I don't need an eceleb to tell me what it is
>>7412373Look at the picture again, the plate is taped to a board on a full size easel. What are you blabbing about with your "6cmx4cm reproduction".And I don't see anyone here doing this from a phone screen, what's that about?
>>7412373i belive that you did it academically im telling you that that was never how it was historically used and that the modern academies are retarded, you dont see the same level of autism about accuracy and rendering perfection coming from the repin academy drawings of casts, and in my opininon the russians schools have a level of soul that the french academic atelies lack
>>7412379Not him, I was told that in general the russian academies also tend to focus a lot more on construction.I am not sure though how it goes, I would love to read a bit more about the russian approach to drawing.
>>7412378You're autistic.>>7412379I don't disagree, and I personally hated it, but I'm gonna take my prof's word on it being autistic by design over it being a modern reinterpretation because Ramon said so
>>7412381i havent gone through the NMA of russian drawing or the mogilevstev books yet to be able to tell you, but torrent the mogilevstev books and check for yourself there are aslo a couple of courses of russians on drawing on rutracker
>>7412383i completely understand you and if you found benefit from it i am happy from you its just that you were claming it wasnt the "correct" way of doing bargues(or i might have mistaken you for another anon) in my opinion ramon presents good eveidence that the bargue course is very differently interpreted today as to what it was used for historically
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>>7412490kek, the most autistic meltdown about bargue and then the nigger cumfarti just comes in and posts some shit, i love this site
guys can you continue. this is fun
>>7412523its also educational,kek
>>7412523No, I had to stop because I lost track of the discussion and I realised I wasn't arguing in good faith anymore.
>>7412542honestly based
>>7412542that's how I start
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It seems I dont learn shit from books but a lot from simple courses.
>>7412653how many books have you tried, how have you approached learning from them, and how many have you finished?
You had fun without me guys.Nitram is very overpriced and has low quality. It mus have been over 10 euros as i bought them, i bet now due to inflation its over 25.Some of the hard stiks were very hard, so it didnt even stained the paper. Some of H are softer then HB and so on. But when it works its good. You cant really substitute it.Why would anyone trace the gay French when you could trace the Italians? As i sad before, the Russians just never trace anyything. They study a little bit Bammes, to get the construction, anything else is done from nature. I think its the way to go. A teacher and a real model, is the only thing i cant get at home.If i would entry an American art school for 500k dollars. And i would get a bunch of stupid French drawings that i would need to trace for the next 5 years. I would literally start taking fent*nyl to cope with it. Sounds like a scam, really.
When im making some colors, Burned Siena for example, it gets very, very stiff after 30-60 minutes. What can it be? Do i have to pud more oil in? Or is it drying at such an extreme pace? What can it be, anon?
>>7412608first off, this is not bad. Maybe even good. You're on the right path. That being said, I see a lot of chicken lines. Also, the proportions and stuff is probably fine, but I don't get any depth here. I can't touch the owl
>>7412733lol what are you on about? GCA costs 14k/year, with two core years and two optional years. Repin Academy is great if you're lucky enough to get a good teacher, but most teachers don't teach shit, they just harass students. Listen to the Jeff Hein podcast with Loginov, he says his best drawings were made in his first year with the stuff he learnt in high school, and he spent most of his time at the academy hiding from his teachers so they would leave him alone. He clearly says most of what he learnt at Repin was due to him studying on his own after class.
>>7412782You mean your actually making the paint?Not sure what it is, is it actually dry and bonded to the surface after an hour? And after a few days does it still stain if you rub it with your hand for example?I have had paint which I thought was dry but when I touched it the pigment just rubbed of like dust, the oil simple had sucked into the surface and the pigment dust sat on top, not bound by anything.Maybe a similar thing is happening, I would guess it needs more oil.What kind of oil are you using anyway?
>>7412789>14kIn some countrys, you could buy an elephant for this money, maybe even more then one.>LoginovI tried to listen to some of his interviews, but he is strange and boring and i dont even like his art.I dont know about specific schools. Im talking about the approach itself. I think it makes a lot of sense to do many, many studys of paintings. But drawings, not really.And as i sad, the hole French drawing school, is the stupidest thing ever.It must be very effective for learning how to paint. I seems you can transfer the French drawing much better to painting.If you look at Bouguereaus drawing, they are very booring, but you can see the painting in them very clearly.If you compare Russian drawing and paintings, or Italian there is a big difference. The drawings look a lot better. But if you want to transfer it to painting, it seams not to work. Can you name a very good modern Russian painter? They are some, but if you look at the level of drawing they are able to teach on mass, you would expect 10 or 100 times more then you can observe irl.>>7412805>You mean your actually making the paint?Yes. It has the consistency of clay after 1h. >And after a few days does it still stain if you rub it with your hand for example?I mean i dont use it pure, but it seams to dry fine, maybe a little bit mate, but its normal for earths.>the oil simple had sucked into the surface No, thats definitely not it, it happens while its on a glass palette.I seams more like if the pigment can absorb the oil over time, but im no sure if its possible.>What kind of oil are you using anyway?Sun thickened, self purified linseed oil. I means its a fast drying oil, but its still raw, without any siccative in it. I cant imagine it drying this fast.
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>>7408914HEY GUYS!Happy Holidays! Traveling's got me caught up, but I got some time to come back and check in with how the thread is doing.I noticed some of my links had gone inactive so I'm going to repost them here:All of TERM 1:aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9uUTgwTGkaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9kWXQwYTYaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9yNmxxQUgaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC8zTlBncXcaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9zYTU5dGIaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9tbWtaMzMaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC93QW0xV3I>>7409862These are all encoded with base64. They have to be decoded.With this, this marks the end of the first phase of the draw along. If you'd like to continue on through the shorter 2018 version of the course,comment on it in this thread to let me know. 2018 focuses on anatomy, portraiture and a long phase of drawing at large scale.Or if you'd prefer, I can post the expanded 2021 version of this course, which includes cast drawing, drapery and a large multi-figure drawing section(also at large scale) at the end.Make sure to tell me what you'd like to see here.And! Because I probably won't be here for a another day or two, I'd like to go ahead and post another XMAS surprise a little early in this thread:YUhSMGNITTZMeTluYjJacGJHVXVhVzh2WkM5SllUSlBUbWsGift's so nice, I wrapped it twice! (this is a hint!*)Have a great day, guys!
>>7412830>>7412832skill-wise I'll never be on that level, but I don't like it either way. Very dull and lifeless. I'm not invested in your argument, so these might just be bad examples. I wouldn't want to see that in a museum though. it's dead and stupid. Something a rich person would plaster all over his walls.It's a good example that drawing can not exist in a vacuum. All the skills and nothing to say (or express) ... makes me sad
>>7412876I appreciate your effort to get this going. I see much potential for January. It's a new year, people are willing to start year long projects and so on...I for one plan to join then
>>7412876great gift, thanks a lot
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>>7414037Merry christmas and fuck you. Lots of people said they'll join in and didn't follow through. Gib results or stfu. Until then I'll just assume you want to waste OPs efforts and sink his time.
>>7415119I think making a separate thread for it would be better than using the trad thread. I don’t think notice people posting their assignments until I actively looked for it.
>>7414037>>7415119For those interested, current lecture is something like that
>>7415128Two or three threads ago we had a discussion about different schools of drawing (US, russian, french and so on - I'm no expert here). Since we are elitists and chase the past here at /trad/ , the russian way was praised. OP just got his hands on this russian course so we tried to make it a /trad/ thing.
>>7415128The thread is slow and they post very little anyway, i dont see a problem.
>>7415130no expert here but I don't think you should leave all that paper white (the cylinder and cube). Paper white is reserved for the highlights, not for planes. Plus those two planes are very clearly at different inclinations, so you should show that difference with some shading.
>>7415119i told you this would happen you stupid tranny and yet you thought i was "a far right nazi" or whatever and didn't listen. fuckerif you trannies had taken the advice i have been giving in these threads for years instead of finding excuses to not draw you would ALREADY be pro tierinstead you suck and are fighting over dumb shit like bargue plates as alwayscumfarti is the only redeemable artist still making regular posts because he actually paints and is making money. rest of you need to be hanged and have your art confiscated for a degenerate art exhibition. like this piece of human garbage>>7413493>skill-wise I'll never be on that level but [insane mentally ill take]then shut the fuck up you absolute subhuman nigger worshipping kike. the reason you will never be on his level is because you look down on normal subject matter and want to draw hyper inflation vore or some other sicko shit. your inability to get good is correlated with your depraved, sick nature. that's why you have such a visceral reaction to actual good art by someone who isn't a mentally ill freak.>dude if i had that skill level i would like, express myself by drawing women with their guts hanging out getting raped by horses and shit. bro i would never draw that boring ass picture of an angel bro i would shock the art world with my transgressive libertine art that rich people wouldnt want to hang in their housedisgusting freak. go back to the lolicon generalthat's my monthly post done. peace out niggaz. gotta go sell more art for big money while you work at wagedonalds and try to find a new "secret method" for getting good. retarded clowns
>>7415516based. all of it. based.
>>7415516lol. have fun. bye
>>7415516>pyw
>>7415516Christmas alone in front of the computer, gooning, must have spoiled your mood, shizo.
>>7415516>>7415516>>7415516>>7415516>>7415516>>7415516Here a lot ouf yous, for you, marry Christmas and now go.
Planning to try preparing Belgian linen with rabbit skin glue and then lead oil ground. Has anyone done this? Is the result THAT much better? I watched youtube tutorials and the artists swear that the difference is life changing compared to standard acrylic gesso.I’ve begun to build, stretch, and prime my own canvases- that was a huge difference from store brought. Now I’ve begun to wonder what could be even better.
>>7415516Pretty based not gonna lie, tell 'em how it is.Tho I am kinda curious what kind of advice you have been giving 'for years' I don't usually hang around these threads often.
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>>7415722rabbit skin glue can be replaced with PVA glue, much less hassle and a much more uniform result. The rabbit skin/PVA will be covered up anyways so it doesn't affect much, as long as you apply it thinly and sand in between layers. Oil primed gives you a smooth, almost silky surface where the paint just glides, it's so unabsorbent that you can lay down a brushstroke and then wipe it off completely with a cloth. Gesso on the other hand is rougher and more absorbent, no matter how much you sand it. Both primers have their place, it just depends on your style. If you paint alla prima with tons of paint and textures, going for oil primed makes no sense. If you paint with very careful brushstrokes, modelling every little volume alla Waddell then yeah, you're gonna love oil primed.
>>7416139I will try PVA, that sounds much easier. I've read that rabbit skin glue can make the canvas extremely taught, but indeed it sounds like a huge hassle.Oil primed sounds like the better choice for me. I do occasionally paint alla prima, but I have gesso in case I want to do that. I had no idea that it gets that smooth, sounds like it's like paper.Thank you again for your response! I'll try and get it done this week, and post my results. The drying time is another thing..two whole weeks.
>>7416237there's a bit of info here, including some demo videos. The application of acrylic gesso is not the same as oil grounds, so do check them out: https://peters-art.de/en/Gamblin-Oil-Painting-Ground/10794
>>7408913>120 replies 24 imageslet this nodraw general die
Another reason to choose PVA over rabit skin glue is humidity. rabbit skin is sensitive to humidity which can cause cracking over time. Also PVA doesn't need to be heated. >>7415722>lead oil groundpriming the canvas often needs several layers with drying and sanding between them. What are there health implications with lead pigments?
>>7416255yeah, you should be careful when sanding lead grounds. Wear a proper mask and/or do wet sanding, which is putting some water on the sandpaper so the sanded particles don't become airborne but stick to the water forming a soft bit of mud. Look into it, and take care.
>>7416253Traditional work takes a time anon. This isn’t a general where people are just posting quick sketches, it’s full blown pieces
>>7416265>>7416253my understanding: it's within expectation of this thread to have technical discussions and even art history
>>7416255lead oil ground is usually one layer.sometimes in the 17th century northern paintings there was a first layer of ochre/earth and some calcium carbonate/sand/whatever and a second layer of lead white with a bit of black and some other pigments.
So I just started a new sketchbook and ran into a problem. The paper gets all messy with graphite stains very quicky. I've never had this problem before, but I also only had 1 sketchbook prior to this. What do? I tried erasing them, but new ones appear right away
>>7416139>modelling every little volume alla Waddell then yeah, you're gonna love oil primedAkshuli, he is putting a lot of color in his canvas and oil ground could be too slippery for it.Schmid is talking about it in his book and for his style its necessary. He is letting a lot of under painting shine trough.Really oil ground is a lot of hustle, and its really worth it if you painting (or at least big parts of it) are painted with a single, semi transparent layer of color. Pic related. If you paint thick or you paint in layers. I wouldnt even bother. I stopped bothering at least.And you dont really need to be able to get the pure white of the canvas back. Most of the time, you would paint over the light areas with a lot of opaque color anyway, right?But the feeling of oil ground is interesting, and you loose a lot less shine.
>>7416847>Akshuli, he is putting a lot of color in his canvas and oil ground could be too slippery for it.yeah, you might be right, I'm not really sure about the support Waddell uses, though I know a bunch of GCA students/graduates, and a lot of them seem to prefer oil primed when they can afford it.>And you dont really need to be able to get the pure white of the canvas backTrue, in most cases you don't want to get it back, I just mentioned it as a difference.>you loose a lot less shine.This is what seems to be the biggest difference, people talk about oil primed paintings being much more luminous. I've only ever done small tests on some leftover oil primed canvas a friend gave me, so I can't really judge.
>>7416847Why don't you use oil ground anymore? Did you use Lead Oil ground at all?Just curious because it really does sound like a hassle. I've heard Lead ground can take a month to dry.
>>7416873No, im an eurocuck, my wise and caring overlords forbidden me to handle such dangerous substances, for my own good. I mixed it myself with alkyd and titanium.
>>7416868>This is what seems to be the biggest difference, people talk about oil primed paintings being much more luminous.Can be, ive never tested it. At least short therm. Long therm gesso should yellow less.
>>7417512stop being such a cucked europoor and just buy that shit. You can get it here, no questions asked (I've bought lead white from them): https://peters-art.de/Gamblin-Oil-Painting-Ground/10794
>>7417512People whine about regulations a lot, but they seem to forget parents were popularly painting nurseries Paris green not so long ago
>>7417529That's not lead white and I'm not seeing it listed
>>7417544This is lead white (Holbein calls it Silver White): https://peters-art.de/en/detail/018aace2452873208515c38634ebee9aI posted the lead oil ground because that's what we were discussing.
>>7417554>Gamblin Ground is formulated from alkyd resin, titanium dioxide, and calcium carbonateMaybe I'm missing something, but I'm not seeing lead>Silver white S>Safaik lead white isn't banned, it's limited by concentration, I'm guessing this is a cucked EU compliant formulation
>>7417568Just realized the S is probably a typo in the description (from SF)Still, I doubt they just got it past customs by the crate, I'd assume it's full of filler
>>7417577you're a dumb piece of shit. You can get lead white anywhere in europe, you dumb fuck, all of the art stores have it. The only restriction is that you have to have a special certificate saying you're allowed to use it, which you can get if you're a restorer or some other shit. Walk into any store and they'll sell it to you, no questions asked. They won't sell it online of course, because of the paper trail. This store, peters-art, apparently doesn't give a fuck about the restriction and they just sell it online as well. Look up Holbein paint in Japan or the US, it's the same lead white, stop being a fucking schizo. Or not, do as you please, you dumb fuck. You're being served the information you want and all you do is come up with bullshit excuses, what a dumb fuck you are.
>>7417554Costs less then cad. Lold, how much % lead is in it, 5?
>>7417615I literally said it's not banned, esl-kun, it's limited for import by concentration >you're a dumb piece of shityou literally thought chalk was lead m8
>>7417615>because of the paper trailAre you aware it's called a paper trail because it's a trail of paper receipts that a trader is legally required to issue?Do you think they just eyeball taxes?
>>7417645>it's limited for importOld Holland is manufactured in the EU, and so was Michael Harding before brexit. What import are you talking about?>>7417626MH lead white (called Cremnitz white) also costs way more than cad, so what? Same for Rublev, are you gonna say they use fillers? You have no idea what you're talking about.>>7417654I've bought lead white in person in several stores (actually in several countries as well), you clearly haven't.
>>7417663>MH lead white (called Cremnitz white) also costs way more than cad, so whatnigga, can you actually read?
>>7417663>MH lead white (called Cremnitz white) also costs way more than cad, so what?You are actually retarded, right?
>>7417663cremnitz white is actual basic lead carbonate (usually)flake white can be practically anything, usually contains zinc, which is why the other anon questions the lead content
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>>7417615I want to thank you for that tip some time ago anon, I ordered a big fat tube of that silver white and I absolutely love the paint, it really makes a world of difference when mixing colours. I found out after purchasing it through Peters that I can get williamsburg lead white and old holland cremnitz through an online EU retailer but only in cans because of retarded EU regulations. I don't want that though because getting the paint out of the tin is much riskier handling than just squeezing the shit outta a tube.
>>7417568the SF stands for Safflower, which is the binder instead of linseed oil. >>7417577
>>7417903you're welcome. A friend of mine made some comparisons, lead white from Old Holland, Michael Harding and Holbein. Both OH and MH yellowed considerably after just a few months, while Holbein stayed almost unchanged. Just in case you care about that.
>>7417920thanks, that's good to know! I was a little worried about the disclaimer by Holbein about silver white reacting with certain sulphuric colours (like all lead white thb) and turning black but I can't find any experiences online about that so it's whatever, haven't noticed it in my paintings yet.
>>7417903I think i will test it out as well, 50 ml to test it out. It much more expensive and has a much lesser tinting power. Its like the perfect hole to throw your money in.>williamsburg lead whiteWhats the deal, i saw one big shop selling Williamsburg lead white, in big cans only, i thought they made a mistake?>>7417920>Both OH and MH yellowed considerably after just a few months, while Holbein stayed almost unchangedLearn the basics, when you dont know how linseed oil works you will have a hard time.
>>7417908I know, I got confused because the description calls it Silver White S and doesn't note the SF on the other colors
>>7416423I’d suggest either fixing it as you go or putting a post-it note over the parts you’re done with,
>>7417908it actually stands for poppy oil, safflower is indicated with ex or no.1
>>7417908>the SF stands for Safflower>There are six painting whites and one under painting/base white, all of which are high percentage pigment colors, namely: Titanium White. Permanent White SF (Super Fine), Zinc White, Silver (Flake/Lead) white, Ceramic White and Quick Drying White (a base coat white), all in poppyseed oil. Inexpensive Permanent White EX (Extra Fine) in safflower oil. akkshually, it's the opposite
when a simple google search would do it...Binder or MediumSF: Safflower oil (less yellowing, slower drying)LO: Linseed oil (traditional, faster drying, durable)WO: Walnut oil (smooth consistency, slow drying)PO: Poppy oil (low yellowing, very slow drying)AdditivesA: Alkyd-modifiedO: Oil-modified (other than linseed, safflower, etc.)N: No additives (pure paint)
A single 'S' could also stand for slow drying
>>7417962>permanent white SF (super fine) SF (poppyseed oil)what is wrong with them
>>7417964>SF: Safflower oil (less yellowing, slower dryinghttps://www.holbein.co.jp/english/0403.html>Medium… SF= poppy oil, EX= safflower oil>Medium… SF=poppy oil, No.1=safflower oil
>>7417964when a simple google search leads you astray...
you guys don't actually paint either, right, it's not just me?
>>7417974>>7417970not my problem if they roll the dice for their labeling. Provide an explanation why SF=poppy oil make sense. What kind of reasoning is this? tf
>>7417941I don't really understand what you mean with a hole to throw money in? I really like the silver white, lead white vs titanium really does make a huge difference to me. It's not quite as expensive as some of my other colours (I have a genuine naples yellow that i use a lot and that is like thrice as expensive for a smaller tube than the silver white.) EU regulations require lead white only be sold in child-proof containers like cans or cartridges that are to be loaded into those huge chalk gun type tubes you usually use in home renovation foam and kit stuff, if even sold at all.
>>7417976lol no, never. I just buy and hoard paint and brushes
>>7417956you're right, i meant poppy but accidentally typed safflower
>>7417985anon fat fingered safflower
>>7417985happens more than I'd like to admit
>>7417981berri sumoru kampani, purizu andastandu
Im painting on storebought linnen with white gesso. Then I paint it orange-brown, make a charcoal drawing on top of it, make a grisaille of titanium white and raw umber, add colour first in big shapes and then narrowing it down. Anything I should change in this approach?
>>7417998it's a solid approach, nothing wrong with it if you're enjoying it. You could also use graphite instead of charcoal, if that makes a difference to you.
>>7412784What’s chicken lines?
>>7415516Unfathomably based
Can I get a crit on this work? This is a 2nd year student at Barcelona Academy of Art. It's great for the most part, but I feel the arms are a bit off. They feel too big for that torso, and the left arm feels too long (shouldn't the elbow line up with the end of the ribs, not the belly button?). Let me hear your thoughts.
>>7418487
Can I get a critique? I’m painting this and I’m not sure where to go next. I feel like the body is kinda off and the skin looks muddy. I’d also like to make the candlelight feel more vibrant. Any feedback would be great.
>>7418495Looks great! Try painting thicker / more paint. It's a common beginners thing.
>>7418495And maybe push darker areas even darker - more emphasize on contrast
>>7418495Looks really good! The only thing really catching my attention are the edges on the nose's shadow. The edge on the right (on the bridge) feels maybe too hard, and the edge on the left, falling on the cheek, feels too hard as well but also uneven (you've softened some bits more than others). The shape of that edge also needs some work. Great effort overall!
>>7418508Great advice, I will be trying this. Thank you!
>>7418495This looks good.For crit…The drapery needs work. At the moment, it isn’t a following a pattern that indicates where it’s falling from, and currently looks too stiff to be drapery. Left drapery is better than right, but still remains. Not sure what they’re called, but the arches in the back need some formFace anatomy is good, as is the shading, but the shoulder is placed a bit awkwardly. Why is she moving her shoulder up so much? The implied movement is in juxtaposition with the calm, quiet tone of the piece imoFinger anatomy is a bit rough. The thumb looks good but the first phalanx for the index finger isn’t indicated wellGood work; though. Keep it up
>>7418527This helps a lot. I totally agree with you on the shoulder. Thank you!
some quick studies trying to work on contrast, light and shadow, without the use of white. I added just a drop of white to the apple and regretted it immediately, for the rest I tried to work the values using yellow to lighten them up. Crits welcome.
>>7418644these are really nice;My only two cents- the shadows on the ground are too red. The shading on the fruits are a little muted.Adding in a complementary color to the shadows can liven them up. Interaction of Color-Joself Albers is the best book in the history of color theory. Highly recommend picking it up and doing the excersizes he created to get a grasp on how you can trick the viewer with color.All in all, keep it going- the forms look great and shapely! Good paint handling as well.
>>7418651>My only two cents- the shadows on the ground are too red.yeah, I went overboard with the red on the cast shadows.>Adding in a complementary color to the shadows can liven them up.can you explain this a bit more? Complementary colors inside the shadows or a complementary to the shadow's color in the light?>Interaction of Color-Joself Albersdownloading it as we speakThanks for the crit, buddy!
where are the non painters ? is this more of a diy or ic thing ? 15 minutes to post ?! how do they expect to grow as a platform ?
>>7418495What is your ref for it. Why is the candle light such white? Looks very uncanny. You would need a lot of experience to pull of such an unnatural lighting. Would be better to make it orange.>>7418487Looks fine, hard to judge, photo when photo is low rez.
>>7418644Too much contrast, you should tone the white and paint at least a little bit of the atmosphere.>>7418755Looking cool, i would like to have something like this as a frame. I like paintings with arched tops.There must be "something wrong" with your ip, when im posting wrom my tablet i have to wait this long as well. From pc its only captcha and a limit on how fast you can post a second massage after the first (around 60sec)
>>7418806Amazing work! You have more to show?
>>7418808yes thank you !
>>7418842>tracy_no_bra_no_panniesshow boob show cunny!
>>7418872i don't know how to model the fimael body
Hi anon, i painted with a lot of acematt, roughly 80-90 percent, quite thickly 2-3mm. I took forewer to dry, 2-3 weeks, the thick sports are still soft and not fully cured.Now i saw very fine craquelure in some places. Its very fine, but its there. I painted wuite long on this painting and i wanted to take part in an art prize with it.Is it okey or should i try to cover it up, and when yes how?
>>7418833>murky_by_ancapistanmercenMarky?Anyway making the neck and shoulders properly will make them look much more robust.
>>7417982Normally you have your bulk colors, white, earths, blacks. They are cheap and you need them in bigger amounts, especially white. Most of the time, they are price class 1 or 2. And you have your high croma colors, that are very expensive, but you rarely need a big amount of them. If you dont paint overly saturated or thick, they last a long time. Led is very expensive and you need a lot of it.I would say for the same amount of paints you can go with 50ml red cad, you would need 150 to 250ml titan white and 250-500ml led white.So yeas, i thin its quite expensive.
Let me just say, the recent uploaded works here are all pretty cool!
Can anyone recommend a good quality palette knife? My last one snapped after only a couple dozen paintings and all the ones on amazon seem to be the same chinese ones sold by different vendors.The best I've managed to find are the liquitex knives, but are they actually good quality or do they just cost more?
>>7408913Bloodborne study wip
I'm a beginner artist, and I've been learning primarily with a 3b pencil and a sketchbook. I plan to get into drawing realistic animals and furries. I've been studying for a few months now and am having fun with it.Would you guys recommend me trying the Russian Academic Drawing Approach from NMA? And if so, do I really need everything they suggest, or can I get away with my pencil and sketchbook?
I drew a spaceguy, I think I should have put more time on blocking out shapes, making sure they align. Any thoughts, feedback? It's in watercolour and gouache, with some ink linework. Took 2 hours I think >>7419659Very nice! You could add some more hanging limbs underneath that are smaller and in shadow, to sell that there's limbs sprouting from all sides and not just one. Assuming they do, I'm not very familiar with bloodborne.>>7418816>>7418822>>7418825>>7418829These are amazing! So clean!
>>7419763Oops it got flipped, let's see if it works now. >>7419674Just experiment, do what you enjoy. while being mindful of what you need to improve. Give the NMA thing a shot if it sounds fun or if you think you'd get something out of it. I assume you'd need to follow the rules to get the most out of it, but I'm sure could do at least a bit with your pencil and sketchbook. What I've found gave me the most, was a life drawing class. Even if you're going to draw furries and animals, they have muscles and bones too and life-drawing was very rewarding.
>>7419768I guess it can't hurt to try it, worst thing that can happen is I hit a wall with my lack of supplies that I can come back to later.I'll look into life drawing classes, too. Thank you!
How do we find the tasteless millionaire clientele
Today's session is not going great, I feel like yesterday I was getting the colours much more accurately
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>>7419926Have you painted the shadows over a yellow block in?>>7419867How much to include Prigozhin?
>>7419993An extra 25k + tip.
>>7419993>Have you painted the shadows over a yellow block in?yeah, I got lazy and did a block-in in yellow and then painted over it. I'm my own worst enemy.
>>7419648> all the ones on amazon seem to be the same chinese ones sold by different vendors.i see plenty of branded ones. cant go wrong with themand I dont see why that one would be bad considering Liquitex is a reputable brandAnd how are you breaking them? only one i've broken so far was one of those cheap full plastic ones that came in a set with some paper palettes
>>7420059I don't know, all the ones I got were completely dull and couldn't really cut into the palette, even after sharpening they seem really flimsy.
>>7420064sharpening? the point of the palette knife isn't to cut into paint. its just to pick it up and mix it. they are all kinda flimsy unless you go for the large construction worker kindif your paint is hard its not the palette knife that is the issue
>>7420064we got motherfuckers over here sharpening their palette knives like some fucking makeshift prison shanks, anon do yourself a favour and stick to sharpening pencils
>>7420064what exactly are you trying to do with your palette knife? It should be used to mix paint, maybe apply paint onto the canvas, lightly scrape the canvas, and light scrape the paint off your palette. None of this requires it to be sharp. Some people do use a knife to scrape dry paint from a canvas or from a palette, but it should be a different, sturdier knife.
>>7420064uh. the shit? sharpening a palette knife? cutting into the palette? Is this a troll?
>>7420177to get paint off my glass palette i use one of those paint scrapers that have a one-sided razor blade in them. works like a charm.
Pencil chalk/ girl on pipes
/beg/ here, recently switched back to trad and found value & shading is much easier to do.Anyone else feel like value is harder when digital?
>>7420445
> sharpening palette knifeI don't care if it's troll. this is honestly my first laugh in the new year. happe new year everybody
>>7412876Happy New Years, /ic/!These are the videos for TERM 2 of the 2018 Russian Academic Drawing Course:Section 8: The SkullaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9kcFRrTG4Section 9: Deep Muscles of the FaceaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9hQk1xaHQKSection 10: The Skeletal Shoulder GirdleaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9mbHd5Y1QKThese new sections go into the anatomy of the face a little bit and involve some anatomical drawings from models.Nothing too complex, but the drawings will be longer.Are you guys looking forward to drawing anything in particular in the coming new year?I want to complete at least 2 oil paintings in 2025! I'm going to be going through pretty much all the relevant courses I've been hoardingbut never had time for in 2024. And since my work and the holidays have finally released me, I'm kinda chomping at the bitto get some time alone to just DRAW.Glad to see the thread's still going!
>>7420059I was using it for mixing paint, not even for anything aggressive. The flat metal head just sheared off one day while mixing.>>7420064lmao
>>7420445It does feel more difficult to me, yes. Even when I fiddle around with the pressure sensitivity settings.>>7420324Interesting! I like it.>>7419867There's something about the awkward smile on Tupac that's making me kek something fierce.I don't know anon, this may have some secret brilliance.
>>7419674I think you could get something useful from NMA if you plan on doing larger, realistic drawings at a massive scale.It would be good to scour around for some animal anatomy books at Anna's Archive and some find some large, hi-res images of animals to draw from.The thought of an Academic Furry artist is super strange and intriguing to me at the same time. I feel like you'd be god-emporer of the /fag/ thread with enough practice. lol
>>7418793>>7418785>>7418755These are so based, anon. Did you make these frames and panels?
>>7420575Somehow I haven't heard of Anna's Archive. This should be useful, thank you!
>>7420577thank you! a carpenter gave me the boards already planed and i did the fretwork and sculpting
>>7420624Bridgeman also has a book on animal anatomy, if I remember correctly. Don't know if it's actually any good, but you could be the one to start the "Copy Bridgeman's Animal Anatomy twice!" trend.
>>7420704I can't seem to find it, you wouldn't happen to know what it's called, would you?
>>7420707I guess I was wrong, Bridgeman doesn't have one. Maybe I was thinking of Bammes, not sure.>The artist's guide to animal anatomy>Gottfried Bammes
>>7420713I'll look into it, thanks!
Sup boys, whats your artistic planes for 2025?I want to compete in several Art Prizes through the year. Thats my main goal.Have some minor goals as well:Would like to start a year long project. Never done this. Something not too big, maybe a comic.I want to paint more from life. Something quick, that i can do every time without any preparation, without extra light or drapery etc. Something what Nicolas Uribe is doing a lot. More or less random stuff. And want finally approach a drawing class with a real model. Im planing to do it for years now. But im always too lazy to do it.Speaking of laziness. I planed to visit a big museum for the entirety of 2024 and never did.
mainly a study on construction and simply separating the shadow shapes. I was mainly focus on Ajax's figure. graphite on paper (HB). critiques are appreciated.
>>7421545ref
tolerating /beg/posting was a mistake
Keep crying. That'll probably fix things.
quick study
>>7421605This is very nice. I know it’s a quick study, but I think that you should change the look of the claw to wrap more around the tree instead of linger outside of it , because right now it looks like a tongue sticking out of a mouth a bit. With something as simplistic as this, I think that a strong emphasis on little things such as how he’s grabbing the tree would go a long way at keeping it simple and communicative
>>7421568Please do the thread a favor and shut the fuck up.
>>7422088>t.riggered
I'm a /beg/ and got a lot of drawing material for christmas. My arsenal consists of pencils, calk and coal. What should I start with to learn the basics? Does it make sense to switch back and forth between medium?
>>7422108just draw ffsif you're following a course, it'll say what to usethis isn't rocket surgery
