Previous thread >>7425302>New here? Please read best practices.1. Don't post too revealing works (especially porn). If you think it's too lewd, post a censored copy here and link to Catbox (https://catbox.moe/)))) or any off-site that hosts images for your works. You may also link back to /b/.2. Keep it to 2D Anime/Cartoon characters only. Do not post chiId photo references (legal or otherwise), and do not talk about issues regarding real children.3. It is recommended to let the thread reach page 6-7 before starting a new one. Use archived(moe) or warosu to retrieve the old threads.>Lolicon Artists Directory & History of Loliconhttps://load.blogs.allthefallen.moe/>A guide on how to dress your child in the morning before schoolhttps://online-courses.club/anatomy-of-clothing-2019-by-ron-lemen/
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>Casy made and posted 6 (six) arts last thread>I didn't have motivation to draw a single pieceHOW DOES SHE DO IT
blonde doughnut monster vampire loli sketch
>>7430695how do you get gud like this?
>>7430696I mainly just do copies. I'm inconsistent though
>>7430695>>7430689more loli than your 1000 year old HAG vampire
>>7430700how long have you been drawing?
>>7430702Jealous?
>>7430710Drawing kind of seriously for maybe 2-3 years. But I've drawn before that just not tried to improve
>>7430712it's not the first time shinobu anon has said boob-clops is not loli
>>7430723Are you talking about teal line bro?
>>7430723wasnt me who said that, but I'm in agreement. loli's need flat chests
>Thread challengeMake your very own loli.....OC
>>7430695diabetes
>>7430736but then someone else will steal my awesome ideas...
>>7430669Concept design first, nsfw + really rough sketchhttps://files.catbox.moe/jfgiz8.png
>>7430767whats the motif
O>>7430767h, I just noticed, why was the post deleted?
>>7430773the original request was for a maid theme, but the posts disappeared.
What do you guys plan to do with your loli drawings? Just draw without a goal or meaning. Sure, some people can make a shit out of that patreon subscription model. But that is not the reality for most of us with real lives.
>>7430774>>7430776Jannies don't seem to like requests too much? At least not at the start of the thread if they drag on for too long and because those will activate lurking nodraws?
>>7430781So I shouldn't continue drawing?
Jannies only lurk this thread. Are they lolicons too?
>>7430767Holy shit it actually looks like her. Nice job.
>>7430783Keep going since your making artwork. For you, it's ok.
Are jannies here trying to stop sex trafficking of illegal drawings? Ouh
>>7430767This just looks like a Neptunia character.
>>7430787recommend a pose/action too
>>7430779I want to be able to capture a certain feeling with my own hands.
>>7430794Doggystyle is my favorite
>>7430794Her seductively looking at the viewer enticing them to come closer. Get creative with it.
>>7430783Don't worry about it, just keep going about things like you usually do. You didn't do anything wrong
>>7430781I have a genuine question for the nodraws. And I know that when you see it you will try to come back with some "clever" quip or deflection but I'm seriously asking. The question is: Why are you here? This board is for posting artwork and getting critique. LSG seems to have an especially high nodraw population.
>>7430636I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. Was this a response to my question about AI and motivation?
why did so many posts get deleted?
>>7430824It sounds like bait desu.
>>7430799>>7430803rough art + nsfw + symmetry tool to help me sketch it out fasterhttps://files.catbox.moe/0lkxc6.png
>>7430858Looking good.
WHAT should i draaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww
>>7430917draw your mom as a loli
https://files.catbox.moe/mq4dz6found this old work and decided to fix it. Now it only needs colours...too bad I can't into colours...
>>7430977link doesn't work
>>7430981it's scat, so you probably don't want to see it anyway
>>7430982I want to see it.
>>7430981my guess is you have to add .png or .jpg at the end of the link
its literally scat KEK
>>7430977nigga what the fuck
>>7430977Wtf. What makes you draw shit like this
>>7430297so it turns out there's a thing called a hard round brush and it can do anything
>>7431161>>7431159>draw lolis peeing and no one bats an eye, draw a loli shitting and everyone loses their minds
>>7431227Scat stinks.
>>7431227I don't like either. There are some fetishes I wish to not acquire
>>7431227pee is less dirty than shit
found this in a folder, here you can get an idea of how close the pussy is from the ass
>>7431306and also how the pussy literally points down from the body, it should never be drawn fruhter apart from the ass because then you are moving it more from the front and pussies don't do that, that's for cock and balls
>>7431306>>7431308Pyw?
>>7431313
>>7431317Where did her butthole go?
>>7431320her butt is being compressed by the surface she is on so it's not visible
>>7431306ham sandwich
You DO use the porn boards to find references don't you /lsg/?>>>/s/22105917
>>7431335Your mom sends me references over WhatsApp
>>7431335yeah i'm going to scroll through 100 4chan threads worth of indians posting nigger dicks when i can google naked woman any time
You aren't just letting go the opportunities this website has to offer, are you?>>>/s/22123339
>>7431335I don't use references
>>7431335I don't draw.
>>7431353president of /ic/
>>7429579That is, I should make it a bit flatter and angular because of the lower BF% in that specific example? Because otherwise I don't see how much more box-y it can get, so that is what I did.Anyways, here's a newer sketch, hope the proportions are better this time around. CC greatly appreciated, as always!
>>7431366Your style is so bulky which makes it look funny, but it's pretty good. You definitely pay a lot of attention to the details.
>>7431480Thanks, could you elaborate on the bulky part? I just want to make sure I fully understand.
>>7431494The head looks like a square and the body too. But it's ok, makes it look different.
>>7430640Thanks for putting me in the OP and to the guy who suggested it
>>7430779no one is drawing the characters/escenarios i want to see
>>7431591The new king of /lsg/.
>>7431591You're making actual art. It shows depth, mystery, and humanity. Unlike these creeps who draw shallow, recursive slop that's inspired solely from other hentai, and aspire to nothing more than giving other gooned out cretins a boner. No matter how "technically skilled" they become, they will never match the artistic powers of an unironic.
>>7431608>aspire to nothing more than giving other gooned out cretins a boneryou say that like it's such a bad thing
>>7431607I'm sure there are people better than me here. I am lazy and still have a lot to learn.>>7431608Thanks, but porn can be art too. I just like things a bit more discret, but I also can enjoy coomer stuff. To each their own. I think style is just a choice you make and then you roll with it. It's not that important, what matters is if you have fun. To me it's all just entertainment.
>>7431610It literally is a bad thing to keep fueling the endless slop train for gooners and wasting your talent not making actual art.
>>7431608>>7431619these are such nodraw takes
>>7431608>things I like good, things i hate evil
>>7431608>>7431619>art is when 1girl floating voidinsane
>>7431722>>7431608You keep saying that but yet I haven't seen you pyw, crazy huh?
>>7431608Trvthnuke
>>7431732he's afraid
I just HATE lolis so much, I HATE looking at little girls, this is why I lurk loli threads daily on 4chanyou will never be a woman
>>7431767>you will never be a womanNo but I can make you into one.
I'm trying to learn hands and i wanna diehttps://files.catbox.moe/bnupnb.png
>>7431793When in doubt use your own hands as a reference. Your proportions also look a bit off. Are you practicing drawing hands on their own as well?
>>7431793Just look at your own hands. What helped me with hands is realizing that the middle finger isn't actually longer than the index finger, it just starts higher than the index finger. There is a curve shape to the place where the fingers start.
https://files.catbox.moe/9dpco3.png
>>7431795>Are you practicing drawing hands on their own as well?i'm starting to do it, but inbetween i need to do a doodle+color to get motivation>>7431796yeah i keep getting proportions wrong and how curved the starting/ending area should be
>>7431797Now this is actual art. Good shit as always.
>>7431797Very cute and funny. I like it. It's simple but very effective.
>>7431797why is the room BG always dark in your pictures
>>7431802>>7431810thanks>>7431816to try to hide how low effort they are
>>7431800It might be easier to help if you gave us some form of description to your hand drawing process.
>>7430695Carried on drawing on this page. Drew another vampire loli slave but prob not going to finish it. Doomed to never finish a piece. Who knew that drinking fundies supplements every morning don't work, I think I might actually have to practice them. It's over
>>7431869>Doomed to never finish a pieceI know that feel. In my case the reason is often that I just don't finish it in 1 session. Carrying it over to another day can be problematic for me.Also very nice drawings. I like vampire lolis.
>>7431876Thanks. Vampire lolis are justice. Same, I find it hard to carry on with a piece the next day.
>>7431869It's been one day bro what fundies are you not able to make work?
>>7431885form/perspective. This higher angle was a struggle for me
>>7431887What about perspective do you not understand?
>>7431890I understand perspective to a basic level. I guess it's overlapping forms in higher and lower angles that I need to work on, like the torso for example. I'm just kind of winging
>>7431887>This higher angle was a struggle for meIt's always a struggle. With characters, perspective can be difficult. There are no real mathematical solutions when drawing characters in perspective, because all the body parts are mostly a bit tilted and not parallel to the ground, so you can't really use the eye level line that well. I think it's just a matter of repition and practice to get it down, because there is always some guesswork involved when it comes to characters.
>>7431894>all the body parts are mostly tilted I think this is my problem. If I was just stacking boxes it would be fine but the tilt throws me off. I'll have to dedicate practice to this.
>>7431869The humble king of /lsg/
>>7431898Yea, I struggle with this too. This and drawing 90 degree angles in perspective by hand.
>>7431366Why is it that you always draw legs wrong? can you post your non-loli drawings to see how they look? the pussy is misplaced here too, try to divide her body in half and look at where the line ends up and where you put her slit in. Somehow you draw super detailed bodies but consistently fail at placing the hips in the right place and how long/thick the legs should be, then suddenly super detailed feet. I think you are using references to draw all that gear but are you not using women references? do you only draw men? Also I'm still not sure of your definition of loli, are you trying to draw petite women? because that's how these all come across when you give them the hips and boobs you always give them.
>>7431900no king title for me bros. I need more grinding
>>7431909How humble. I kneel.
>>7431856>It might be easier to help if you gave us some form of description to your hand drawing process.it's basically -> draw square -> draw uneven triangle on top -> estimate maximum middle finger length -> draw the other fingers. The thumb is drawn whenever I feel like it. However when i draw the other fingers I always fuck up the proportions and how they connect to the other fingers
>>7431936mogs me just keep practicing
Speaking of tilted objects in perspective, do you think I should study the How 2 Draw book by Scott Robertson? There are lessons about tilted objects, but does this actually help me with drawing characters? I don't want to end up having to draw perspective diagrams everytime I draw something. Atm I'm still just kind of winging it, but I wonder if there are more rules I need to follow.
>>7431940>just keep practicingyeah, that's what I'm trying to do from now on but yesterday was a fucking horror and I wanted to die
>>7431335I sometimes try but real women disgust me dearly
>>7431952Relax man there's some good hands in there. Don't forget you gotta fail in order succeed, you'll be alright as long as you keep drawing.
>>7431906>Why is it that you always draw legs wrong?I dunno, the overall shape is somewhat in line with what I think looks nice in other drawings. I haven't gotten around to studying them to the extent I've had with other parts, could you tell me what exactly you have a problem with here? Lengthwise these ended up around 2-2.5 heads.>the pussy is misplaced here tooI was made to believe it started slightly below the pubic bone, so either I drew the hip wrong OR - if I may hazard a guess - the right strap on the rappelling gear could make it look like I made her waist *even* thinner than what people may consider 'proper' so it might look very off-centre.>...are you not using women references? do you only draw men?I may use references for poses and to get a rough idea of how certain objects tend to look like, but that was it for what I've posted here.>are you trying to draw petite women?Maybe? For this one I started off following the instructions given last thread, but it just felt wrong and I ended up that doesn't correspond to a fair few of them.
you will watch Inori's low budget animeYou will draw fanart of her and her friends
>>7432067Is it really that low effort? I thought the first episode was ok. I drew her and her friends already anyway.
>>7431936Well, you might consider adding another step to that and sketch out all of the fingers in the form of lines/rectangles/trapezoids, etc., etc. first. That might mitigate the problem of having to check how they are proportioned and positioned relative to one another when you do them completely individually. Unless you need the hand in a specific position you can also draw them in groups of two to three like you might already have done practicing, saves time on fucking around with details and people won't notice as long as you have a finger or two sticking out. Oh yeah, and unless you really need to please the five hand-fetishists out there, it seems fine have a few joints 'missing' completely at times. Here's a some stuff I snipped off the internet that loosely relate to what I wrote.>>7432027Now can anyone else tell me if I'm being retarded? It feels like I'm writing with 1 or 2 guys max.
>>7432105There's been at least 4 different artists in this thread so far.
>>7432067That kid has some weird hair ngl
>>7432127there are less than 20 artists in these threads in total
>>7432135Plenty of people to write to.
>>7432155many more nodraws for some reason
>>7432167I'll post next thread.
>>7432170this thread will last for couple days, you've got plenty of time to post this thread
>>7430640this is the best I can do at the moment. hopefully I fixed all the mistakes anons pointed out from the sketchI wanted to use more unusual colors to paint the skin like fkey and HJL do but it's really hard to understand how the warm light would react on the black and blue clothes
>>7432202That hand is huge
>>7432202this is really nice! what was your process for painting the hair? how did you manage to maintain the shapes so well? its very appealing! especially the girls hair!! I like the big shapes in the man's hair as well!
>>7432202This is really nice dude, I love it. I wish it were me. Her eyes might be slightly too high on her face.>>7432205It appeals to the female audience.
>>7432202Now that it's finished, isn't her forehead on the left side too deformed? like it comes out unnaturally? maybe this is an effect caused by the hair but also, it's possible that the hair is not going properly towards the back of her head, it's as if the hair was angled more facing the camera than it should
>>7432205lmao yeah glad I didn't merge the layers this time>>7432207thanks, I usually start with a two-tone, big shape then a somewhat soft, flat brush to define the strands and a sharp one to tighten up a few areas. I'll try to draw an example, give me a minute>>7432212okay noted. but what do you mean anon, it is (You) there. the average /lsg/er>>7432216I see, it does looks weird. it's probably worth it to just redo that part of the hair
>>7432216>>7432229It only looks deformed because her eye is so far above her cheekbone, and her brow ridge is below her eyebrow. Adjusting the eye position should be sufficient to make it look right.
>>7432132
>>7432254It's good to be weird, don't be sad.
>>7432254I had a fucking mullet when I was a kid. I know how you feel.
>>7432067what anime are you talking about?
>>7432290Medalist
https://litter.catbox.moe/7hz095.png>>7432202Cute work, Bro.
>>7432369Nice work, very cute
>>7432314Cute butt
>>7432369are you the same anon that posted miu last thread? i really like your drawings anon
>>7430779There's an artist who draws pictures of my waifu with high technical skill but in a disgusting way. It's all gross mindbreak NTR garbage. I want to get skilled enough to compete with him while drawing stuff that's more fluffy and vanilla.
>>7432254It fucking sucks but I fucking love it
i kinda feel like giving up on this one any help?
wip
>>7432471What kind of 'help' are you looking for? Right now I might say that the guns and the mask (and the helmet, to a lesser degree) stick out a lot, but the rest is stylistically consistent.
casy....................................
>>7432507Sai works on Ubuntu?
>>7432105>dding another step to that and sketch out all of the fingers in the form of lines/rectangles/trapezoidyeah i think i will start doing that, thanks for the image
>>7432507>im on linux btwfucking os vegans
>>7432471Maybe consider not using MS Paint as your medium next time kek
>>7432471It needs a stronger background color if possible. Maybe a deep red. And his glasses have the same color as the background plus a nice highlight. It's a good picture already tho.
>>7432507>linux and ubuntuZeke my nigga what are you doing
>>7432471my only gripe is the gun touching the side of the screen. either make the girl hold the gun up more so its not touching the border of the canvas or shift everyone over to the right.
>>7432717you motherfuckers are able to find even the smallest, most retarded nitpicks imaginable. Fuck you, I won't edit my drawing any more.
>>7432723eh? were you fishing for positive reinforcement to keep you from giving up instead of crit?
>>7432723>the smallest, most retarded nitpicks imaginableYou made a basic composition mistake. Composition is rather simple but really can enhance an image.
>>7432723why are nodraws like this?
>>7432749That's not a nodraw, that's a true artist personality.
>>7432749something like this
>>7432753i have no idea how to confirm my identity but this>>7432723 retard isnt me
>>7432760>i have no idea how to confirm my identityjust pyw alongside anything you want to say and btfo any retard you want
>>7432723>>7432764You tried too hard nodraw samefag
>>7432760Eh. I believe you. There is no reason for you to lie about something this inane>>7432764People can just repost your image claiming to be you
>>7432767?>>7432770you can always show your layers if you have any if not then its a bit harder
I'm too depressed to draw again.
>>7432817The consequences of low vitamin d and taking the clot shot.
>>7432833No, some people just have real problems.
>>7432837No bigger problem than a cattle willingly locked up inside.
>>7432843Well, it's not like there is anything to do outside where I live.
>>7432847
>>7432855At least Russians have drunken lolis running around outside.
>>7430640the poster should say "virgin or used"
>>7432550i was kinda hoping someone would spot some anatomy error i had looked over or something related to the legs since im really bad at drawing them but i probably should have specified that in the original post, oh well>>7432568yea it really sucks specially when using the fill bucket kek>>7432776im using one layer kek>>7432585i wasnt too sure how to implement the highlight on the glasses hopefully this looks about rightthanks for the tips anons they were very helpful
>>7432965Actually, it looked better before. Your lines are too thin for such a strong background color, sry.
>>7432982any color recommendations?, personally i feel like it gives a nice contrast and it looks kinda weird with lighter tones or maybe i just burned my eyes already idk
>>7432990All the straw on the helmet give off white pixel noise. It looked cleaner with the original color, which was good enough.
>>7432965this fucks, anon. great job
https://files.catbox.moe/v9g2px.png
>>7433108giwtwm
>>7433111which one
>>7432993i tried filling some of the bigger spots but a lot of the pixel noise its very small and im not willing to spend an hour going pixel by pixel, ill probably leave it as it is and move to another drawing, i have spammed the thread too much already >>7433073thanks anon much appreciated also thanks to the anon that told to make the guy hold the gun vertically in the last thread it really made the composition look much better
>>7433108could be hotter if he was looking at her eyes and we could see his tongue to give the impression that they don't know how you give oral to a woman, maybe even sticking out his tongue through his lips rather than with mouth open to give an even more inexperienced feel to it, the struggle line on her left wrist should be removed since you don't actually struggle in that position because your arms and shoulders lock when doing that, also personally I don't think her nipples should stand out that much because those look like 10-11 year old nipples (personal taste whatever but it looms good) and that the left one should be angled more toward the camera than pointing to the front of her body, maybe even make left one less visible?also UUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>7433121>the left one should be angled more towardright*
>>7433121I'll give it a try
>>7433108the king of /lsg/
>>7433119doesn't matter really
>>7433240THE KING OF /LSG/
>>7432965>i was kinda hoping someone would spot some anatomy error i had looked over or somethingWell, i hope it's not too late to tell you the guy's upper arm is a tad too long, considering it goes down to around his hip.
https://files.catbox.moe/qig83i.png
>>7433332I like it but her neck is kinda fucked up
>>7433333fuck yer right
>>7433332is that a baby?
I'm currently going down the perspective rabbit hole again. I just want to be able to draw a perfect square from pre-existing vanishing points. Why does this have to be so complicated?
>>7433380>I just want to be able to draw a perfect squarewhy are you torturing yourself
>>7433408There must be some simple method for this.
>>7433332didnt know you posted here
>>7433419are you using a ruler?
>>7433451Yea, I think I just found the method. It's actually really simple and exactly what I needed.
>>7433457how simple are we talking? drop the method
>>7433460Super simple, maybe one step above dividing windows tier simple. It's this here: https://colorbay.com/perspective_6.htm I think this works.
>>7433463oh wow yeah that makes a lot of sense. good luck with your new power anon
>>7433426im running out of places to posthttps://files.catbox.moe/rk3h4j.png
>>7433503blog?
>>7433503is your old stuff anywhere?
>>7433465Thanks, I've been searching for this solution literally for years but somehow I never came across it. This made my day.
>>7433503im starting to realize that putting time and effort into drawing lolis is not very profitable
>>7433508>>7433536moningusabisu>>7433565financial rewards? no. cunny? probably
>>7433565anything related to lolicons is career suicide, unless you happen to be japanese
>>7433609i meant from when you were drawing leek chan
>>7433565>profitable>>>/biz/
>>7433565You need faustian spirit to draw loli, knowing it might ruin you and cause your downfall
where is all the art we were getting last thread. what happened?
I was gonna make a set. It looks like its gonna be a lot of work though.
>>7433895kozeki that you? you actually made a finished piece
>>7433902yes finally
>>7433908how long did this take, since you stuck with this one? also how long does making a sketch usually take, since you usually leave it at that
>>7433893I'll post my art....next thread
>>7433915initial sketch is about 1.5 hoursrefined sketch/lineart 1.5 hoursflats 1 hourrendering 4 hoursi spent 8 hours on this oneI usually average on about 1-1.5-3 hours on a sketch depending on if im planning it out or going straight to refined.
>>7433893I'm studying theory atm. I don't wanna do the same shit over and over again, I want to develope. Sometimes you have to take step back and think about new ways to improve yourself.
>>7433925makes sense that you usually don't finish the pieces if it takes about 6 more hours to get it from sketch to finished. good job committing to a piece
>>7433925that was 8 hours of drawing and being in the canvas, I probably spent another hour or two just stepping back and making sure I wasn't forgetting anything/checking if things looked ok throughout each step.
>>7433941thanks! i probably spent a lot of time trying to problem solve so I likely wasted a lot of time there.
>>7433895I see you used https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/118824488 as reference. How do you guys organize your layers when making different versions or when drawing accessories like bunny ears. Do you just do lineart on 1 layer?
>>7433895og talentbro mogging the other talentbros
>>7433958not just talentbros
>>7433957yes i set out with wanting to draw villainchins hikari because she's very cute and I would have instant feedback on painting. I have each flat basically on a different layer except for the bow which was on its own layer since its behind her despite being the same color as her apron. the shading and stuff are just clipped to the flats very simple stuff. If I had to make another version I would just duplicate the proejct and edit the flats that need to change and delete any layers not being used to save space. the lineart is on one layer yeah but i paint that in towards the end.
>>7433962the other talentbros mog all the other begs, prebegs and nodraws
>>7433974>If I had to make another version I would just duplicate the proejct and edit the flats that need to changeyeah sometimes I also do this, however when I spot a problem or mistake while making another version it's a horror trying to manage both of them since I would need to copy/use the correct layers.
>>7433895That looks good. Nice work!
>>7433609>moningusabisuI can't find anything, where do I search?
>>7434260ahh! cute!!
https://files.catbox.moe/3qd7gf.png
>>7434295idk face seems to simplified and stylized for the body
https://files.catbox.moe/zg110k.png
>>7434307Did u add a shadow on her neck? I can't tell.
GUISE look at this artisthttps://x.com/shake_shakePost/status/1878353936207552530/photo/1
>>7434483I don't have twitter. I can't at look at this artist. sorry anon
https://youtu.be/Ouhoz5ELoGA>00:11It's not fair bros, these fucking asian jeans
>>7434483does x allow lolis or not?
>Today she's practicing ski marching
>>7433565https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7194926#p7196438https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7346898#p7349789https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7330283#p7331313You seem to post on /ic/ a lot for a guy who doesn't draw
>>7434507Amazing. The background is really well done. Really gives the feel of a vast space near the mountains.
>>7434520Thank you. I haven't really done proper backgrounds before. I'm glad it look good :D
>>7434507>loli & shota generalfinns are half-bred mongol rapebabies with low IQ so thats expected.
>>7434570Cyclops is oppai loli, If he says it's loli then it's loli
>>7434584He doesn't even stand by an age anymore nor will he say she's an oppai loli in other threads. It's clear he's just posting her as much as possible for the attention.
>>7434570Finland has one of the highest IQ averages in the world
>>7434570If jannies won't delete it then it's loli. Cyclops hags won, (you) lost.
>>7434596Then how did we end up with >>7434507?
>>7434607Isn't it the other way around? If jannies don't delete it then it clearly breaks no rule meaning it's hag posting
it's a little known fact but 4chan janitors are only allowed to delete posts that show female human nipples
>>7434594he hasn't decided her exact age it's always been more than 10, but she has been loli from the very beginning. Also since you've been to other threads you must have seen how he got bullied, when someone said she's loli in beg thread. Dude already gets bullied a lot by nodraw, I don't think he needs to be bullied by us too.
>>7434621deserved it, the fucktard has been spamming it everywhere like chris fucking chan
>>7434626Pyw? I bet cyclops is much better artist than you and that's why you seethe this hard or you're just nodraw
>>7434621You stupid faggot you're blowing it way out of proportion. he's being bullied by one guy >>7434626 and maybe 1 other guy. Regardless Cyclops can get away with posting his hag. /lsg/ lost.
>>7434307ok /lsg/, who created the loli frankie tulpa and what for
Look it's Casy!
All characters 18
>>7434655the duality of loli artist
>>7434655blog?
>>7434507White void bros....We are being mogged. Our response?
>>7434657don't have one sorry
>>7434661Oh it's you
>>7434663Whoever you're thinking of, it ain't me
>>7434658too busy cunnymaxxing to bother with backgrounds
>>7434655What a hag.
>>7434618I've seen cyclop's nipples.
>>7434677when and where?
>>7434677GUARDS, SEIZE HIM!
>>7434677Yeah? Well I've sucked cyclop's nipples.
Uhhhh do you draw loli with your penis or your heart?
>>7434693My heart's penis.
>>7434690>>7434677Cyclops is under LSG protection, billions must love and not bully
>>7434693you're supposed to put the stylus tip inside your urethra
>>7434716Is this how you become int? Yaba daba doo I'll be /int too
>>7434720it's the one secret trick artists don't want you to know.
>>7434720New artgod will be made in mom's basement tonight. I will bear witness to you
>>7433895>this got 7 thousand likes on twatter and countingTalent bro. You Made It
Just brought a copic line I’m i gmi now?
>>7434728wait. kozeki has twitter? I thought he said he didn't have blog
I want to be the next talented bro
>>7434745>>7434716Start doing this
>>7434123thanks!>>7434735I dont think ive said that. it's been posted quite a few times here>>7434716I do this
>>7434786okay my bad. I must have gotten you mixed up with someone else when you didn't have proper name to call you.
>>7434745grind 10000 boxes
>>7434815>bro just draw>No bro don’t just draw. Draw 10000 boxes
>>7434834don't draw, just make 4chan posts whining about not being able to draw
>>7434809ToT
>>7434809HOOOOOLY FUUUUUUCK MODS MODS MODS
>>7434745Isn't the point of talent that you should already have it or did I miss some memo?
>>7434871I haven't drew yet so maybe I do have talent.
>>7433565>not very profitableNO no no. It's not right, you'll become a billionaire.Please don't stop. DRAW ONLY LOLIS, no hags!Actually...I want more talented artist to stay miserable with lolicon, while I achieve my goals and become more popular day by day. Shit... I hope you won't stop now, because of my post.Listen!Draw lolis! all of you! don't listen to jealous nodraw anons.
Tierlist?
>>7434745I heard talent is pretty much just high intelligence. Is it even possible for me to be potential talentbro like you guys. Is this blackpill true, am I doomed to fail
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>>7434914I have a feeling were about to lose like 100 posts. Hold your horses
whats the most reddit lolithe one that contains properties quintessential to the frontpage of reddit com
>>7434920>I heard talent is pretty much just high intelligence.no its not
>>7434933Cope or truthnuke?
>>7434937just draw, make mistakes, figure out and put effort into fixing those mistakes, draw again and try not to make those same mistakes, make new mistakes, fix, repeat. I think its more about having guts more than anything.
is it too early for a tierlist?
>>7434950you can make one. I think everyone who's gonna post has posted their pieces for the thread
Is it better to draw faces at a slight angle when starting trying to draw then frontal?
>>7434962you're just starting to draw?
>>7434995Ya
>>7434996try drawing both
>>7435001にが wtf is this list
>>7435011anime won
>>7435001MR ADVERTISER GET DOWN
>>7435001is /lsg/ the most winrar general
>>7430695omg.. looks so beautiful.. what brush is this?
>>7435015What?
>>7435015what?
>>7435001A tier list where you rank the names of the characters instead of the art. That's very creative of you. Because if this was ranking the art I'd have to assume you're a low iq no taste permabeg
>>7435001uhhhhhh second opinion?
>>7435001ragebait tierlist
>>7435001Why did you make a tier list? I might have Drew something
>>7435001Never post again.
>>7435001Why did he do it?
>>74350018 hours later and it's still up. janny are you okay?
>>7435235You may draw now.
>>7435017Thank you. It's the default brush in Sai. I just added a slight paper texture to it
So talentbros is this true?
>>7434928It's time.
>>7435001Only problem with this list was putting >>7433240 too low. I agree with everything else.
>>7435290Make one and make it good. Also don't give janny a heartattack by showing nipples
>>7435295Gizmo should've been S.
>>7435295Casy was B. I was expecting simp meltdown, but nothing was said about it lmao
>>7435295The tierlist felt really disingenuos all in all. The nipples didn't really help it's credibility. It seemed like bait
>>7435298It is colored and it has a background, so it looks impressive to begs, but it's so flat and symbol-like. Gizmo has been so stagnant it's disappointing. If you keep making him S it'll get to his head.
>>7435302Did you see S tier? Surely he's above those generous placements.
Not calling zeke bad or anything, but how was zeke S? I think this one A or B
>>7435304gizmo comfort zones too hard to be put in S. Sorry, but it's the truth, gizmobros.
>>7435305I agree, Zeke is also too stagnant and comfort zones too hard to be put in S. He's like gizmo, but with slightly more appeal and less effort.
Cyclops is B for having actual background with clear effort put into it. 90% of art ITT is whitevoid or coloredvoid
I wonder if all the people praising cyclops are just begs and nodraws projecting themselves onto him.
>>7435001I... made it?
>>7435316What do you mean. The background is really well made? You are allowed to give some credit when it's due
this is the year of the elf
Kozeki will become household name in cunnysphere this year. He will make it...no he made it
>>7435325Shut up. Kozeki is not more important than elves. Every household, every classroom, every bar and diner needs to recognize that 2025 is the year of Elf.
>KozekiLiterally who?
>>7435328When I'm gone, everyone gonna remember his name...kozeki. He is the next generation
>>7435331I want a next generation elf to suck my dick
>>7435321>this is the year of theSnake? SNAKE? SNAAAAAAAAAKE!
>>7434507>sweaty after ski paizuri with cyclops-chan
>>7435413Damn bratty backpack needs loli correction
>>7435316He is really good for drawing for what ~2 months now?
>>7435417Since around November 6th I think.
>>7435420Sounds about right
>>7435422>reuploadNobody asked.
>>7435435>Nobody askedAre you 12?
>>7435430Der bait
>>7435436Loli much?
>>7435430Why is Snail buttplug so low?
>>7435440Bro almost everything is lower than it should and S is higher than it should This tier list maker baiting or tripping
>>7435443What would you change?
>>7434932Since no one else answered. I say it's frieren
>>7435446Read above replies to the initial list. I don't really want to repeat myself or others that much
>>7432207https://litter.catbox.moe/nxboz6.jpgif you're still there>>7432314likewise
>>7435452thank you so much! I lost a lot of the form when I tried so having a clear process with notes of what your thinking is very helpful!
>>7435430We need a second opinion. This one has rather bad takes
>>7435461Be the change you want to see.
>>7435430>They hated him because he spoke the truth
>>7435466Maybe, but we need a take with trained eye for art
>>7435459no problem, just don't take all of it to heart as I'm still shit and still learningbut yeah I know that well. I use pressure based opacity everywhere but it can really mess up your shapes. a hard, binary brush comes in handy>>7435302at least I'm not at the regression stage yet r-righthere's my last drawing from 2023 https://files.catbox.moe/mxl970.jpg2024 was my rendering year but maybe it's time to let the white void embrace me once again
>>7435512>https://files.catbox.moe/mxl970.jpgThis is peak gizmo. I think you have regressed a little bit if this one is representative.
>>7435518You draw long enough and you eventually start cutting corners
Are we allowed to vote?
>>7435413I wish that was me
I hate people, I don't even want to draw humans anymore. Art is a women hobby.
>>7435558yes, I vote for >>7435413 as the next OP, my second option is >>7432965
>>7435558I vote for kozeki >>7433895 even though he was actually OP last time
>>7435558>>7435614Seconding the randoserugaki.
>>7435558voting for this >>7434507 and adding all the whitevoids in the background
>>7435643>>7435614This.
>>7435648I don't appreciate you. I'd like to see your drawings, mister.
>>7435671you first stranger
>>7435413this is perfect for next thread's OP
>>7435648Decent idea and you might have good intentions, but I don't think we should do that
>>7434655kek
my IQ drops by several dozen points when I try to draw something original, so I'll grind studies until I can copy something like pic related in an hour or less
>>7435685You should learn construction when you want to draw from imagination. Learning it made me 100 times more consistent. Before that everytime I drew something was a gamble.
>>7435696construction is a meme. post your work.
>>7435707construction is a toolphotobashing is a tool3D models is a toolAI is a tool your mother can you guess
So what's the new thread's page policy these days?
>>7435558Why vote just one image? Why not have many images in op's like we used to?
>>7435452I hope everyone paid attention to what this guy made
>>7435776I'm monitoring all of you 24/7
>>7435696I've done construction before, but I'd like to focus on learning appeal for now. I'm always told that my drawings are ugly, and I kind of agree, so I'll grind studies until I get fast and comfortable with copying artist I like.
>>7435751The backpack won.
>>7435793What do your other drawings look like?
>>7435797>>7425809
>>7435799Oh I knew I recognized those lines.
>>7435685>>7435799Der doll
>>7435795Not yet. New hot takes are surely yet to come
>>7435707nodraw advice in this board is always so great and helpful
>>7435799Thankfully you kept her clothes on this time.
>>7435269I don't draw
>>7435793You did something here that I hope you don't forget, you drew how the pectoral muscle sticks out, this is important because even in the flattest of chest this is still true. No one, not even lolis and shotas have perfectly smooth chests like dolls, the pectoral muscle always sticks out even if it's underdeveloped. Assuming you aren't obese you can see for yourself if you look at your own chest on a mirror. Which is another thing to take into account if you are making fat lolis(or shotas), they will have boobs because they have a lot of fat in their body. Consider that this could make their nipples bigger too, this way you can make more varied lolis.This guy knows about the pecs >>7432202 and he added another important detail for making flat chests stand out more, the sternum has no muscles, so you should shade the middle of the chest taking this into account, it looks as if the chest suddenly goes "inwards". He failed at shading the side of the pectoral muscle however, it should extend a little further from the armpitTL;DR: even flat chests have tiny "boobies", this are actually the pectorals, flat chests shouldn't be evenly and completely smooth, unless the arms are being stretched wide which would extend the muscles but by that point the ribs will start to stand out more so you shouldn't forget to add them
>>7435844pyw
Shouldn’t there only be 1 talent bro @ a time?
>>7435874pyw
>>7435878explain your reasoning? talent isn't something that is exclusive to just one person.
>>7435844And this is why lolis are gay. They look like boys on the chest.
Holy shit can you guys shut up about talent.
>>7435878bro thinks its like the avatar
>>7435892more like highlander
>>7435834its over
>>7431793When using refs try to recreate the pose using your own hands to actually see how it works. if you're only using refs to draw hands it will just end in you symbol drawing. also is it just me, but is your color palette getting softer and softer?>>7433895You actually made it! You are in the big leagues now. Time to get to get grinding>>7434507Looking cute. Very nice looking background and you also drew her feet this time. I don't think I've seen her feet before. This might be the best one I've seen of your character yet. Keep at it
>>7431608>You're making actual artI thought about this I think I know the reason for this. It's because I am a depressed traumatized sad person. Looking at this thread, it's full of images with happy lolis. I just can't really draw happy things. I am mindfucked and this reflects in my art. You are probably a depressed person too. So that's why I am more drawn to mystery, psychedelic, dark things. Pain can be a very intense feeling. No amount of pleasure can balance the feeling of an animal when it gets lively devoured. Art is about pain. If you want to draw like me, then you have to get traumatized. Then you won't draw shallow things anymore, but maybe you also don't want to draw anything anymore, because you are mentally ill. It#s difficult.
>>7435880pyw
>>7435934Don't think that's all there is to it. You chose this approach. You don't see beauty in happiness or the little things in life? You suffered and pour that into your art where others might suffer just the same, but use that suffering to make their art about happiness and not let the pain and suffering consume them whole.
>>7435960I have always been like this. I was born depressed. As a kid I had posters of Freddy Kruger, Aliens and Michael Myers on my wall, and I was only like 9 years old. It's just what happens when nobody cares a shit about you. But I also always liked mysterious things. I collected minerals when I was a kid, and I loved going to the circus. One of the most memorable experiences of my childhood was when I saw the glass eye of my father. It was in a little box I found. He died when I was 6 or so and I never saw him. I also remember a little cabinet of curoisities from my mother on the wall. She had a nutcracker and things like this. The first book she read to me was Struwwelpeter by Heinrich Hoffmann. This is a very bruatl book. I basically just draw things I have always liked. But I first had to remember all of this. In my 20s I was very confused and lost track of who I actually was. But eventually I realized who I actually am and what I like. It sadly took way too long tho.
>>7435955
>>7435976Umm based much?
>>7435933>You actually made it! You are in the big leagues now.I... made it?
>>7435976Blog?
>>7435976Me on the right.
>>7435976Are you the new talentbro?
>>7435960>You don't see beauty in happiness or the little things in lifeI just think there is more truth in pain. When there is a fire in your house, then you also don't talk about the beautiful weather with someone. You call the fire department. The same approach I also take with drawing.
But anyway, I don't even want to draw anymore anyway. My life is already over anyway.
I feel hopeless that my life will never end. I never belived it even once.
>>7435995Even if things are not doing great. You don't wish it weren't so? I don't mean blind optimism because that is just closing your eyes from reality, but just longing for something. You sound like you enjoy the pain.
>>7436002I think he sounds like a faggot
>>7435983You won
>>7435995>I just think there is more truth in pain.How scary. I'd rather find a different truth since pain hurts so much.
>>7436003You are right. I don't even know why I write this here. I hate people and they hate me. Just forget about it.
>>7436006I think it's never a bad thing to try and connect with others.
>>7436007I am not even trying to connect with anyone. If you are always alone you just start to socialize even with people who hate you. Being alone constantly can make you crazy.
>>7436008Try going to the local Asian massage parlor that’s what I do when I feel like I’m losing it
>>7436006>>7436008That is pretty "sour grapes" of mindset to have. To assume everyone hates you by default.
>>7436008I lost track of who's who. Back to fucking up this drawing.
>>7436018I didn't mean everyone here hates me, but some probably do. It was just an example.
>>7436001Had your life even started?
>>7436018Humans are aggressive by default. That's just the truth. They may not hate me, but they surely don't care about me.
>>7435960>>7436002>>7436018These are me>>7436019
>>7435810I'll make sure to fix that later.>>7435844thanks for the feedback
>>7436023Ah yeah that clears things up.
We could squeeze a few more days out of this thread if all troll posts were deleted. Janny please do the needful.
>>7436015>Try going to the local Asian massage parlorI hate immigrants and surely won't let them massage me. Only reason I would ever go to a foreigner voluntarily would be to put them in a concentration camp.
Janny he just doesn't want to put in the work into making a new thread. Don't reward lazy behavior.
>>7436031What a shame. Truly a lost cause.
You just sound like a miserable faggot post lolis getting gangbanged raped or fuck off
>>7436037No, hating immigrants is always good. I may be depressed but not evil.
>>7435933Thanks :D
guys can you help me?what ai should I use for loli?
>>7436098Subu pls
What now that loli is killed?
>>7436148Time to get a job. I wonder what kind of jobs or education artists here actually have. You don't have to pyw if you don't want to. I'm just curious
>>7436151I'm a proud neet. I pity the wages. They only get hags anyway.
>>7436148>>7436148>loli is killedYou're just figuring that out now?I've been telling you it's getting worse and worse, only old artists continue to draw lolis.
>>7435933>but is your color palette getting softer and softer?Is that a bad thing, it was softer because it’s a doodle and I wasn’t focused on shading. Also I don’t think I really changed colours
Humans suck anyway. Lolis are human after all. It's time to only draw backgrounds.
>n-no i'm a nodraw because uhhh loli is dead or something alright then post your other drawings>UHHH
How does pyw change that loli is dead?
>>7436469every time you pyl an anti dies
>>7436156damn bratty neet!! you and your free time!! thinking your better than us wagies...
I'm not making the next thread OP this time because *groans* I just don't feel like it. Someone else make it. And please, don't be a burden to others by using Casy again. Thanks.
>>7436469t. nodraw doomposter crab who hates loli and spams every thread
ZAMN! AI art looks like THAT?! drawslavesisters... is it over for us?x.com/WorldSaboten/media
>>7436493It should be the randoseru
>>7436519i should've learned to prompt instead of grinding boxes...
>7436534>7436519sametroon
>>7435793>>7435685this nigga is proof that using AI does jack shit in developing skillsall those posts defending AI and this is what their "work" looks like
>>7436519Just straight pinups is dead. You gotta enforce some element of human into your art to stand out now or you might as well just use AI at this point meaning story; something the computer can't do.
>>7436537This takes 3 seconds to draw with AI. Now lets see your work with multiple overlapping characters with proper backgrounds, fully rendered of course. But do it in just 1 minute; its fair to give a chance to meatbags.
what's with the recent influx of pajeets in /lsg/
>>7436545You got a tool, a powerful tool at that, to create anything you want. Anything your mind desires. And that....some vtumors hugging each other on the bed, is the might, the muster, the deepest essence your imagination can put forth to show the world? THAT is the final destination you so wanted that you couldn't have because drawslaving was too hard?Huh. Imagine (you can't) that.
>>7436547How did you get the captcha box to show up? I have to use a different browser to post.
>>7436549what do you mean? just click on get captcha, and a box with captcha will appear
>>7436551What? I don't even get that prompt. It's so over.
>>7436548You will cope, cry, then ghost commisioners for weeks then return shitposting on twitter about muh rent muh depression muh excusesMeanwhile I can finish commissions in just 10 seconds.YOU. LOST.
>>7436549update your browser and disable any weird extensions, it works fine for me on firefox with uBlock enabled
>>7436548fucking kek its as if anyone here draw anything more than just 1toddlerfloatinginasketchcelvoid
>>7436556Oh you're not using 4chanx?
>>7436560yes
>>7436554You're just a replacement shutterstock.com working for free. Your "prompts" are being used to train big tech's AI. They have all rights to your images and even if you run it locally and post it online you're still feeding big tech because they're just detecting what images are AI and what images aren't, all going back to the mother source.You're a slave. A willing one at that.
>>7436559>1toddlerfloatinginasketchcelvoidFuck you that's my favorite.
Subu is having a meltie again
>>7436562Pain peko...
>>7436151I'm engineering student
>>7436547it's the same trannies that are always here definitely not because they want to fuck lolis, it's so they can save the children of course
>>7436547pajeets are everywhere, they multiply like cockroaches
Whats your opinion on heels on loli?
>>7436611>>7436547It's not just on lsg, but internet in general. Why can't pajeets understand the beaty of process or earned success
I will never be a good artist. Good artists are actually work horses. They draw all day everyday. I am way too mentally ill to do this.
>>7436647No artist here draws everyday.
>>7436652I don't know how much people draw here, but for me it's way too difficult to draw consistently. It's so sad. I spend my whole life studying this, and when I finally found my style and was able to produce pictures I like, I simply didn't have any patience anymore. It's such a sad thing. It just takes too long to develope a style if you grow up without money. You simply can't find enough inspiration.
>>7436657I've been trying to capture and hold on to bursts of creativity. Usually during a shower or a walk. I would just write it down or draw a thumbnail so I don't forget it. You don't have any ideas or passing thoughts of things you'd like to see/draw?
>>7436663Writing down ideas is easier for me. Sometimes when I see something on the internet which interests me, I just take out a notepad and write it down. Last summer I often went outside sitting in the sun and wrote ideas into a little notebook. Really concentrating on thinking about ideas can eb difficult tho. My mind is just too occupied with other things. And sitting down and drawing is mostly impossible for me.
It just makes no sense for me to draw anymore. I don't even like humans anyway, so why should I draw them? Females are conceited subhumans.
>>7436671>And sitting down and drawing is mostly impossible for me.It's over...
>>7436675are you depressed
>>7436689yes, it's females... they mentally violate you until you can't do anything anymorethey out you into this world, only to immediately ruin your lifegrowing up under an authoritarian single mother is the best way how to ruin someones life
>>7436691Thanks to your single mother for weeding out the competition. You would be too good otherwise.
boy i sure hope there's people drawing on the drawing bo-
>>7436708I will [spoiler]sculpt[/spoiler] for the next thread
>Page 8Oh no no no
qrd on subu
You can't compete with ai bros. Lolicon artists are treated as cheap trash. Just post ai slop on twitter, at least you'll get likes.>>7436675Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and you weep alone.
>>7436554Why bother with art commissions when AI lets you earn much, much more?https://www.newsweek.com/brad-pitt-ai-dating-scam-france-deepfake-social-media-2014546
Page 8. Loli bros...thus endeth your requiem
Qrd on all loli bros ITT
>>7436627
>>7436766it's illegal
>>7436787loli is illegal
>>7436758The guy below you
>>7436772Loli bros in order of their appearanceKusogakiShinobu-anonCasyElf-anonSlowbro-nonAtf-anonMS-paintbroMoningubasibuKozekiZekeCyclopsDollGizmoBabyrenge-non>Sources on the namesI made most of them up.
Any advice before I keep going?I think it's looking cute but whatever I can do to make it more appealing would help
>>7436812Guest catbox appearance doroogaki
>>7436814>before I keep going?Don't. Jesse is retired. Spend your time drawing Liko.
Becoming a sloppist? A couple of bucksBecoming an /lsg/ household name? Priceless
>>7436814if only you had grinded 5000 floating loomis heads...
>>7436822I want to draw her and her snake pokemons for the year of the snek
>>7436823The former gives you thousands of dollars per month.The latter sends insane stalkers after you.
>>7436814I think you should avoid coloring for now, Anon. You're still too /beg/ and it'd be best for you if you focused on the drawing aspect.Draw from reference and add contraposto.
>>7436814maybe her right arm is too thick and it could look more dynamic if her upper body wasn't pointed straight forward, like maybe she could be turned a little
>>7436847Don't turn him into another whitevoidsketchcel.
>>7436765>Laugh, and the world laughs with youEmotional female gibberish. That's simply not reality. No amount of dumb laughing will make your problems go away. It#s just a brief moment of not caring and smiling all day is obviously not possible.
cunnyy uooooh
>>7436851But that is the true path. Even a god like fkey goes back to the white void once in a while, you know.
>>7436828year of elf
>>7436829But you get you's in exchange. How easily do you get stalkers after you here?
>>7436867There's only 2 people with stalkers that frequent /lsg/.
>>74368731*
>>7436875*3
>>7436873>stalkersA stalker.
>>7436878Name 3 and they can't be 1 or 2
>>7436887That guyThat other guyThat guy who is neither of the aforementioned guys
>>7436887all 3 stalk each other
>>7436775meanwhile nips have karoushi and otsukaresama
>>7436893Ahahaha
Someday I'll be cool enough to have a stalker too...
>>7436898Pyw and I'll be your first
>>7436898You say that, but I think those actually having stalkers must not like it that much.
>>7436908You speaking from experience?
Bug spray (T-T)
>>7436916Wow, fagphobic much?
>>7436915Common sense deduction
/lsg/ is in limbo. Thread maker use randoseru and save /lsg/.
go generate ai cunnyy and make real moneyyy
>>7436944kys subu
new thread >>7436957
>>7437157retard
>>7437165Not happy with your placement?
>>7437168do you draw?
>>7437169Yes.
>>7437175so where are you on the chart?
>>7437179Around the middle.
>>7437157gizmo bros we won
>>7437157kozeki is S this time
>>7437310Not even close
>>7437352Twitter will hear about this...naa I'm just kidding
>>7437358Get out of here stalker
now that the dust has risen once again I will remain silent
>>7437157What are you even ranking at this point? It's not appeal and it's definitely not skill. What the fuck are these tier lists?
>>7437778How is it not skill?
>>7437781Gizmo and artsy depressed anon are too high, and actually skilled anons are to low. There is no way cyclops is more skilled than midori momoi anon.
>>7437986Its the opposite of the other ranking. This guy doesn't like anime.
>>7437986Don't take the ratings too literal
we need a third opinion
>>7438275Well. They gotta be quick about it
>>7438275let's see your opinion?
>>7438308Nah I'd draw.
>>7438314I want to see your hottest tier list take
>>7438341much better
>>7438341zekecacas...it's over
>>7438341casycucks keep taking major Ls lately
I want to be higher than S. A tier unreachable by all.
>>7438341No inaccuracies detected. Third opinion won.
>>7438341I accept this one, fair and square rating. I don't really see any biases here
>>7438341gizmoKINGS stay winning
gizmo is high /beg/
>>7438885embarassing
>>7438885TruthTzarBomba
