Is it worth getting popular anymore? My patreon failed. Nobody wants my artwork. What should I do now?
>>7435369Unironically draw porn or make coom bait animations on youtube/ insta/ toctik.
The only point of getting big now is to sell sovlless product. I only make artwork purely for myself, but it depends on what makes you happy and how your life is set up. What you’re asking is so broad, there is no answer.
>Is it worth getting popular anymore?depends on your values. do you think it is? if so, then pursue it.>My patreon failed Nobody wants my artwork. What should I do now?assess why you failed. perhaps it's not that people don't want your work, but you need to do a better job getting your name and art "out there." though in all likelihood you need to improve your skills and/or get a more appealing style. plenty of artists, in various domains, take multiple years, a decade or more, of honest work before they make it. you have to be reasonable here.
>>7435370I already draw porn and lewds on Twitter. Aren't these other websites against explicit material? Youtube and such?
>>7435378on platforms like youtube, insta, and tiktok. As long it's not straight up porn you're fine. E thots would post shaking their ass with skimpy outfits and they never get taken down and gain millions of views/followers. Even artist are able to get away with it too, just know your limits. You can even link those people to your twitter o r patreon to see "extra spicy" stuff. What's funny is that most of the artist on toctik would draw coom bait/porn on their twitter, but on tiktok they would restrict themselves. I can show examples if you want. I easily get 5-6 examples just ask away.
Building a succesful Patreon takes time. Did you just give up without even trying? You should create more reasons for people to become Patrons. What rewards do you offer? Do you use the group chat to talk to your Patrons? How often do you upload?
Don't call it porn. Actual porn isn't allowed on Patreon. Just having that word on your page gives Patreon and Paypal reasons to suspend your account.
>>7435369Patreon is something you do when you are popular, not the opposite
>>7435424You don't have to run a Patreon to make money. There are tons of free users that can like and share your public posts. There is even a discord-like chatroom now. It's quite a bad idea to have everything paywalled.It's the occasional +5 bucks that grow your account.
>>7435425Bitch with AIDS
>>7435369post it, i'll become a patron
your art has to be good first.
A failed patreon is the worst. People would know you dared to try make money. Before AI, I'd start over with a new username then try again, but new artists after AI seem to have it really rough for some reason.
a lot of talk but no art, pyw op
I'm at $350 monthly after over seven years. I made maybe $30 in my first year.
>>7435630>>7435631>>7435637>>7435659>>7435424Just to prove that I'm not a pussy, and for curious people, just a sketch... this thread has been positive overall. analyzing my audience on all platforms, deviantart. twitter pixiv. and wherever the fuck else. it's all artists looking at my stuff, and from my experience. Casual people are willing to donate $30 dollars and above on artwork not artists. I'm just tired of seeing fart fetish enthusiast doing better numbers than my work. literal shit will sell better than quality work. I've experimented with everything to animation and gamedev. feels like i should just join the crowd. Just letting out my frustration.
>>7435424Why's that?
>>7435724Ahm i see the problem. If you like freckles and moles and such and give them to your characters on purpose, you're NGMi.
>>7435724Wow, you’re actually genuine. I’ll make a little graph to show you on what I’m talking about when i get back earlier . It may be of great use to you. Having a following of mostly artist is the worst, since your goal is to attract non-artist/consumers. If you do plan on going on other platforms, make sure you never use tags like #art #draw or anything artist centric. That’s how you’ll attract mainly artist followers, same with posting sketches or a lot of those, since most non-artist don’t give a shit about wip, draftsmanship, or unfinished stuff.
>>7435752Are you retarded? That’s a character from scott pillgrim.
>>7435775I don't watch western slop, but either way you could have drawn a non-freckled character. Your choice of subjects is simply bad. Ngmi tier even.
>>7435724how many drawings do you post a week? do you color your drawings or are they all black and white? how much do you interact with others? are you funny? parasocial relationships play a huge part in money. also color your stuff
>>7435778Nta, fag, even though your taste are just as bad, you could have gave an example
>>7435369Draw flavor of the month anime girls in lewd outfits or having sex. That's my plan.
>>7435724See the issue is you're drawing Western. You have to pander to weebs if you want to make money. I was looking at the highest patreon adult artists and they draw flavor of the month or video game characters in simple lewd poses and the most simple animations.
Drawing stuff that you don't care about is a great way to make yourself hate drawing and it will show in your art.
>>7435369>What should I do now?Keep trying? Persistence anon. Don't give up.
>>7435778>>7435826I only posted that because i didn't want people to reverse search me, it doesn't matter what i posted, if i shared pyramid head you'd say, "not western enough or something"... i know you anon.>>7435877note taken, I'm exploring different websites. articles and blog sites are great, they don't feel held back by an algorithm so far.
>>7435724Unironically the problem could be that you need more skill as an artist. Don't give up, just keep drawing. Also what >>7435789 said
>>7435789Can antisocial artists strive on social media? Like just by posting artI only talk to people in 4chan
>>7435910There is one chink who just posts art without saying anything and has a shit ton of followers for some reason.
>>7435915So you have to be really good thenDoes he draws FOMO or popular stuff?
>>7435910Yes, just heavily depends on the art you draw or how appealing is it.
>>7435894I prefer Western much more over Eastern since I'm not a weeb. I'm just coming from a profit perspective and what I'm seeing from all the popular artists is mostly pandering to weebs and it works.
>>7435910People follow you for your art. They don't care about you. If you have something to say do it with your art.
>>7436013Literally the opposite of this is true, more so in 2025 then ever in history. What an absolutely out of touch take.
>>7436017Do you talk about your personal life?
>>7435826>>7435993If you don't see how that's more anime inspired than western inspired (It's basically Scott Pilgrim but a little more anime) you're either retarded or trolling. Probably the latter, people really enjoy pointless weeb/anti-weeb shit stirring on here.
>>7435369AHHHHHH A NIGGER AAHHHHH GET IT AWAY
>>7436051I don't care about this tangent you're going on about. You're being autistic now. My main point is you should draw anime characters that are popular. Enough with this:>If you don't see how that's more anime inspired than western inspired (It's basically Scott Pilgrim but a little more anime) you're either retarded or trolling. Probably the latter, people really enjoy pointless weeb/anti-weeb shit stirring on here.
>>7435734patreon only works if people already like youyou're wasting your time trying to grow it before you even have a significant following
>>7436117How big of a following should we have?
>>7435724just spread out, doesn't matter where. just be aware you have to limit yourself.
>>7436160also do mainly on what this anon said >>7435789, it will help you a lot as well.
I've been thinking about doing small livestreams where I doodle stuff people comment, are those a good idea?
>>7435724Is the attached picture yours? It looks too unfinished, in my opinion, and I don't want to pay for it in this state. Also, her hands here generally resemble pig's feet because they were sketched too simply
The business model I hope to emulate someday is that of Richard Burlew's Order of the Stick.https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1316.htmlTell an intricate story over a decade and still much as yet unrevealed. A dedicated fanbase that discusses and speculates over every new strip,filling their forums with fascination. A well thought out merchandising, from RPGs to clothing and doodads,and collections of strips with extra material for the print/pdf version. And everyone willing to wait as long as it takes for an update to get uploaded. And as you can see,it's worth waiting for.
Create an iceberg channel
>>7436153NTA. I'd say 10k on Twitter. Don't care about the money too much. Having paid and even free members is far more important even if it's just $1 each.Once you got a few paid members you can start thinking about rewards and interacting with them. I like to share WIPs, character polls or just talk about what I'm drawing next. This won't make you rich overnight.You can also just paywall every drawing, never talk and treat your fanbase like shit if you prefer.
>>7435369AI is God's way of telling you to stop drawing pictures ^_^
>>7436521why are these sad niggers in /ic/?
>>7436153assume that barely 1% will even pay
>>7435724>I'm just tired of seeing fart fetish enthusiast doing better numbers than my workI think your artwork is good, but why are you surprised that a artist who caters to a loyal group of people into some weird fetish is doing well? One piece of advice I often read is to find a niche that you excel in, or at least something that separates you from other artists at your level.
>>7436538nta, but I think my niche is doing backgrounds and colorful paintings, that's what I often hear from people who comment my artI don't think it's niche at all, but I do enjoy doing itWhat's your opinion about it?this is my twitterhttps://x.com/103anon
>>7435424>>7435631>>7435789>>7436153>>7436453>>7436536This advice contradicts itself. >Step #1. Be good at art. Seems reasonable.>Step #2. Be popular enough.>Step #3. Draw a shit'ton of art for free that only 1% of people actually pay for it...This is bullshit no offense... the time that it takes to get popular, your audience might not even be active online anymore. You've become a free content monkey that people only value your work as "free". "It's popular but this isn't something that I'd actually pay for" People pay to get past the pay-wall and then realize that they're disappointed.Then they proceed to upload your posts onto "kemono.party" as a here's what your getting yourself into...Take "Pantsu_ripper" for example (AMLOgamer)."See, oh he's popular... pay money... realize he doesn't draw pussy well... leave disappointed..."
Patreon isn't a marketplace where you sell your art via one-time purchases. Money shouldn't be the main reason why you draw. It's not a place to commodify your art even though many people use Patreon like that. Use something like Gumroad if that's your business plan.People will support you because they like your drawings and want to participate in activities on your page.Patreons that get fucked over by kemono.party and cancelled donations deserve it. Don't be a paywalling fag and do something with your community.
>>7436116Retard.
>>7436773Examples
>>7435724i wont lie, i was expecting more, this artwork isnt terrible but is something i wouldnt pay a cent for. is generic coom your like it or not. the only reason people pay is because they getting amazing art or something really unique that justify paying for more.
>>7436907What would you pay for anon? Just curious.
>>7436963Futanari.
>>7436963personally, i have pay before, specially when the artist have a very unique artstyle and offers process videos or psd's because i wanna learn from them.
>>7436976>>7436907yeah, another reason why artist followers are the worst. They are way less likely to pay or support other artist. You legit will get better advice in a shithole like /h/ or /aco/.
>>7436989oh really? where?
>>7435369what type of artowrk you made that you expected a lot of people to throw money at you and how frequent you posted ?
>>7436989did ur mom gave birth to you standing? so im supposed to pay you for something could do myself while not oferring anything besides "uncensored" shitty coom? even normies would notice and i doubt you will get a good answer from /h/ or /aco/ will when they have dedicated drawthreads for free, generating AI or scrapping patreon shit
>>7438239>so im supposed to pay you for something could do myselfif your goal is to make money, you want to attract consumers/non-artist, not people in the same field as you, dumbfuck. That's why I said artist followers are worthless, since they are less likely to support other artist, since they can make the stuff themselves. Besides, artist tend to follow other artist for a chance of networking or like your work(to learn a thing or 2).>even normies would noticeNah, they wouldn't notice. They are consumers after all. Seen worse shit gets massive amount of money. I said /h/ and /aco/, because that group is majority of non-artist aka consumers and studying the consumer mindset will help yield in large results. Why so much trash like isekais, cod, gachas, and so on are so popular despite it all being nearly identical or low, since provide a certain itch to their brain.
>>7436795Perhaps I was a little douchey with my initial post >>7435826, and my intent wasn't to turn the thread into a East vs. West argument with >>7435993 I was just stating I'm personally not into anime. You responded to two different anons in >>7435894 by the way with the same response, just to clarify I'm the anon I've linked in this post. My points however still remain, you might just have to imitate the most profitable artists and most of the ones on top draw anime, the most mainstream anime to be specific. But drawing anime or whichever the flavor of the month characters, East or West at the time may be is all about the life you give the characters. The drawings have to be more than drawn well, they have to have situations and life and humor given to them. If you're just drawing flat out nsfw it just has to arouse the audience. Drawing popular anime characters is just a suggestion at the end of the day and this does work with any characters, it just seems to be more successful with anime characters. Also you should put your art even on platforms like Deviantart even if there's no fetish angle, it's just one more place where people can passively come across your work or make it easier for people to find you.
>>7438288here is where you are wrong, you are telling op that he should go to learn how to sell somthing from beggars. /aco/ is full of people that literally want art for free, that board dont even have a commission thread anymore and to be able to advertise you need to draw something for someone first on the main threads.Since a few cases of artists becoming really popular on social media after participating in this scheme they went full retarded and are trying to exploid /beg/s like op for free art.
>>7435724post more pleasealso are you black?
>>7435752freckles and moles are top tiersorry you have horrid taste
>>7435369>Is it worth getting popular anymore?no, it's time to give up. and embrace the future . which is AI art.
>>7438689Nta, what cause you to make that conclusion?
>>7438721black guy as the op picture and reading his replies in thread they emit an aura of zest with attitude. he's abandoned thread or straight up wont answer but he couldn't have made it clearer he's sassalicious.
It's absolutely much harder than it was, say, 8 years ago. Even ignoring AI, there's so much more original art posted on a daily basis that it's easy to get lost in the flood, not to mention that most algorithms (and even people) don't favor promoting low follower accounts, plus nowadays a lot of people consume art by going to boorus, discord groups, and other manner of repost repositories, instead of going to the sources. I've seen reposts of my art on twitter quite literally get tens of thousands, one time even over 100k likes, over the years, but my own twitter account only has a couple hundred followers, with most posts lucky to crack three figure likes. I'm always surprised to see how high some of my art scores on some boorus, or when commissionfags post their comms from me to their account, compared to what I manage when I post my own art to my accounts. At this point I'm convinced that you need to have a piece go viral, from YOUR account, to break through the barrier to start getting actual meaningful followers, both in terms of volume and quality.
>>7438947My plan is to create a meme account first. then switch to artwork once i have some audience
>>7439051I do wonder if that experiment where artists were pretending to be repost accounts when posting their own art actually had positive results in terms of engagement vs posting work as your own.
