I'm 25 and learning how to draw but nothing makes me want to draw less than remembering how old I am. Even if I spend like 8 hours a day drawing, I won't be decent until I'm 28, nearly 30. the vast majority of artists start drawing as a kid, which I wouldn't even mind, but art communities are overwhelmingly young. I can't even imagine trying to enter a community where the average member is in high school. Surely I'm not the only one who struggles with this. right? I'll be drawing, then remember my age, and suddenly I'll lose all motivation and can't even force myself to continue.
>>7435760Then don'tyou're gonna reach 30 anyway, are you gonna do it with the ability to draw, or not?
Maybe wait until you are young again.
>>7435760>how old I amI hate this new retarded fucking generation that thinks 25 is in any way "old"
>>7435801Diminished neuroplasticity is a real problem.
>>7435808it's really not, nodraw faggot.
>>7435811PYW
>>7435760
>>7435816friendly reminder that the average specialized surgeon doesn't finish schooling/training until they're in their 30s. but learning to doodle is an impossible task for the elderly age of 25? unironically fucking kill yourself. no, I will not post my work. this isn't the ultimate trump card you think it is.
>>7435760time is not the resource you should be worrying about, its energy. Right now you have the energy to do things all day. Someday you won't. Someday you will wake up in bed and have to think real hard about whether or not its worth getting out.
>>743576025 is the perfect age for a man. You are making it worse in your head than it really is. I know this from myself. When I was 25 I was thinking my life is already over, but later I realized that 25 was actually the perfect age for me and I was still relatively young.You also can become an artist with 35. Very talented artists go professional at like 20 already, but that doesn't mean everyone has to be this fast.
>>7435760>I'll be drawing, then remember my age, and suddenly I'll lose all motivation and can't even force myself to continueYou shouldn't treat art as a job opportunity. Unless you already have a great portfolio, you should just treat it as a hobby. Drawing is fun and relaxing. It's meditative and calms the mind. That's the reason why you should do it.
>>7435760I'm almost 25 myself, and honestly, I get you. That feeling of never being able to make up the time. It's what made me stop time after time, even when I was still in school I looked at all those 16 year olds that are basically pros and got discouraged.But something switched recently, and now, when I think about how most people start younger than me and are already better than me, it motivates me to try harder. I've begun to take it seriously and have made so much progress in a very short amount of time. I try to get the most of the hours to catch up, and even if I'll never be able to get to the level of some of those child prodigies, I might end up better than a lot of those that started young and didn't take it as seriously.And like that other anon said, the alternative is to not draw at all
Some people are just not meant to be artists. My life was ruined from the start due to growing up under a mentally retarded single mother and living in an occupied allied territory. I don't fucking care about money or fame. I just try to do what I enjoy and what's within my limits of possibilities. But I get it. Time is cruel. It destroys everything.
man, you guys are really fucking depressing.
>>7435820>no, I will not post my work.Looks like you’re the nodraw.
>>7435838If you are so easily influenced by other people, you are probably not the brightest mind anyway.
>>7435838This is what happens when you don't draw
>>7435839no, I just don't want anything I draw to be associated with this shithole, and especially this thread in which I'm calling you a stupid faggot. I already had one retard here stalk me over a disagreement and try to stir up shit for no reason.
>>743580125 is in many ways old.t.34 year old ancient being.
>>7435820>this isn't the ultimate trump card you think it is.against you it is.Opinion discarded.
>>743585625 isn't old at all. t. 31
>>7435852Lol nobody believes that but you, nodraw.
>>7435760Wanting to get good at drawing and wanting to be a part of art communities are two very different things.
>>7436217At 70 you already can barely paint anymore. Your body just can't keep up anymore and you constantly have to take breaks. Humans should just die at 40 like how it used to be. Everything after this is just torture.
>>7435856>>743586025 scares me.t. 24
>>7435760I started drawing seriously in my early teens. I was 35 before I became happy with my drawing skills. I am a professional artist/designer.Sometimes it's a long walk, kid.
>>7436220plenty of old people can move around from A to B just fine, something much less physically intensive such as painting isn't going to be a problem. and even if it were who cares? what do you have to justify what you're saying besides "my feels"?>constantly take breaksagain, who cares?
>>7436222yeah but when did you get your first art job? not 35
>>7436226First REAL art job?31.
>>7436217>Hokusai began painting at the age of six probably not the best artist to calm OPs unease
>>7435760Zoomers are fucking retarded. Blink and you are 30 and you are regretting you wasted time when you could've been an artist with 5 years of experience already.
>>7436233not trying to, just posting something based
>>7436229>First REAL art job?can you elaborate? i'm 26 and i've never had an actual "art job" before as in salary/long term contract work, just some for indie games and lots of commissions. i'm not at the level that i could actually work in actual games or anything and i'm terrified i'll never reach it. how are things going for you now? honestly even if i can't find consistent work it's fine i just want to be good
>>7436223Your quote was talking about shit like being 100 years old. I was just pointing out that the quote sounds retarded. At 70 it certainly starts to feel like death.
>>7436239unless you're 70 yourself you have no direct experience. sure plenty of old people say this or that feels bad, but most of them do little to no exercise. but again, even if they all had problems, who cares? painting is one of the least physically intensive things you could do. if you don't want to do it, don't. all you're at is still "my feels"
>>7435760Your 20s is the perfect time to start because all your physical and mental faculties are working at their peak.
>>7436253Wrong. Perfect time to start is childhood obviously. Sadly most people don't have the possibility to find good inspiration at lower ages.
>>7436287Start in childhood and you'll waste 10 years drawing fucking sonic and hazbin hotel
>>7436293>sonic and hazbin hotelit's interesting how a lot of people who talk about the benefit of drawing at an early age assume that whatever their interests are in terms of subject matter and/or technical ability would've meaningfully been aided by drawing in childhood, when you bring up a good point in how plenty of kids drew slop and plenty of them as they got into middle and later adolescence still had little technical facility. it's not like we can just hold for time like a science experiment and expect the other variables to stay the same. depending on your circumstances, taking an interest in drawing at a young age could've very well ended at a young age. it's also just not productive to mull over. you'd be better off thinking about how you can improve your drawing abilities, looking for resources, or just actually drawing.
>>7435760Sure, the best time to start was as a child. The second best time to start is right now.
>>7435760What 'communities' are you talking about? Discords? In which case, who gives a single fuck how old you are? What are you worried about, that your memes will be too dated? Jesus Christ just join and draw, I promise you that nobody cares
>>7435760"Muh age tho" is just a coping mechanism for deciding not to do something. Better to just browse more 4chan and watch youtube essays.
>>7435808imagine letting """science""" tell you at what age you can learn shit
>>7436455begs will believe anything as long as it gives them an excuse not to draw
>>7435760Nigga I'm learning in my 30s. Its 100% a you problem.
>>7435760Anon. I'm 35. The best time to plant a tree is ten years ago.DRAW NIGGA.
>>7435760>Mom look, I have another excuse to not draw! Just shut up retard
>>7435760Wait till you reach 30And then 35And then 40
>25 >too old
>>7436221I wish I was 25t. 28
>>7435760If there was ever an actual woman on 4chan, would be OP in this thread.>boo hooo my age>I need a community!!>can you imagine competing with younger people!!!You are a female if I have ever seen one.
>>7435760>25......???????????????????????? you are insane
>>7436221I thought that too, but being 25 is pretty chill. It helps that I've been drawing, and have now set a sort of five year plan on where I want to be with my art projects. No specific milestones, like reaching follower count, but just general projects I want to undertake, things I want to learn. I think that by the time I'm thirty, if I can look back and see all the cool things I've learnt to do, and where I stood compared to the past, the thirties wont be scary at all either.I think it's silly to hyperventilate about age, especially on this board. Part of the reason why I don't fear getting old is all the inspirational artists, musicians, and authors who published groundbreaking stuff at an old age. I dunno, if they're stull have fun, it can't be that scary.
>>7435760>I'm 25 and learning how to draw but nothing makes me want to draw less than remembering how old I amNigga you're fucking 25 you're still a baby.
>>7435760csr started at 27, shut up and draw
>>7435760why do all of you complain about your age, do you only draw for validation? just draw if that's what you enjoy doing, who cares how old you are and where your skills are at at your age
It's funny reading shit like this because I just turned 25 and I only started drawing a couple months agoI create because it's fun and I can make cool shit I don't need the approval of some social media losersBut please don't keep practicing, complain more on 4chan
>>7436670csr has done irreparable damage to art so I'd rather he didn't
>>7436709care to elaborate?anime girl pin up bad?
>>7436745yes pretty much
>>7436750ehh, I guess it's pretty boring
>>7436293When I was a kid my favorite movies were Aliens, Akira and Ghost in the Shell... Not everyone is retarded as you as a kid.
>>7436673>who cares how old you areEveryone?
>>7436759how'd you figure that one out?
>>7436764Society is ageist. People judge you by your age. If you are a child you get abused because you are a child and can't defend yourself, if you are adult, you get abused because you are adult and old and expired.
>>7436771now yuo see....
>>7436771not the original anon you were responding to, but 1. just because people generally do it doesn't mean "everyone" does it; there's no need to be hyperbolic. and 2. the discussion is about art in particular not how society generally treats people based on age.
>>7435801They spent their formative years talking to pedophiles on the internet, of course they're fucked up about getting old.
>>7436771Why don't you spend less time crying about things you can't change and draw instead?
>>7436777>just because people generally do it doesn't mean "everyone" does it;It is everyone doing it tho. Maybe if you grow up in some happy flower world bubble, you made different experiences, but that's not where I come from. Maybe there are some rare exceptions, but society is full of sociopaths and abusers. >the discussion is about artYea, the art world also judges you by your age. If you are old, you will have a harder time to find jobs. Also, people don't have infinite time anyway. You have to manage your time and can't jus do whatever you feel like doing. Life is so short, you can only master 1 skill, and if you only start drawing at 25, it will become hard to get good at this.
>>7436783Why don't you go and kill yourself?
>>7436798>still not drawing
>>7436789>Maybe there are some rare exceptionsthere are, and so saying "everyone" is wrong>Yea, the art world also judges you by your age. If you are old, you will have a harder time to find jobs.again, tendencies don't equal absolutes. this thread is plenty of evidence that some people don't care about what age you pick up art.>Life is so short, you can only master 1 skill, and if you only start drawing at 25, it will become hard to get good at this.depends on what you mean by master. but even granting that, who cares? you're setting an arbitrary goal. you're fine to follow it, but unless you can prove otherwise, there's no reason why anyone should care to meet your particular standards.
>>7436802>there are, and so saying "everyone" is wrongIf you don't geeralize things when it's true for the majority, you on't won't be able to make any point, because if you treat every case individually, peole will only abuse this.>>7436802>this thread is plenty of evidence that some people don't care about what age you pick up artIt's also not your time which is spend on the art. Of course you don't care because it's not you who has to put in the time. You are also not professional editors or publishers or anything, so why should you have any credibility about what is right or wrong here? It's neither your time nor your money or energy which is on the line here, so obviously you couldn't care less.
>>7436826>If you don't geeralize things when it's true for the majority, you on't won't be able to make any pointyes you can, just use the appropriate language. if you're going to speak generally, then use general, not absolute, language. if you say "this is generally true", and it is, you've made a valid point.>Of course you don't care because it's not you who has to put in the timeyou don't know me or how much time I've put into art>You are also not professional editors or publishers or anything, so why should you have any credibility about what is right or wrong here? It's neither your time nor your money or energy which is on the line here, so obviously you couldn't care less.I'm not saying anyone has to have my view on this particular subject, I'm just saying, at least in part, that your standard is arbitrary which people also don't have to follow. it's just one's preference vs. anothers.
>>7435828It doesn't do that at all what the fuck.
I'd sacrifice everyone in /asg/ to be 25 again, I'm 30. OP are you retarded possibly?
>>7436910I would sacrifice everyone in asg for no reason just because I think you're all faggots
early 20s and feel the same way when i look at social media and see /pro/ level high schoolers. I learned to just accept the fact that there will always be someone better no matter what. environment plays a huge role in much of our early life and there will always be people who had it much better than you in every aspect, but the opposite is also true so I learned to be thankful for what i got and that combined with avoiding most art social media seems to help.
as you get older time goes by fasteryou'll be 28 before you know it, might as well use that time doing something you want
I'm 31 and I can only draw one hour a day before brainfog sets in. I used to draw 6+ hours when I was younger but those days are over.
>>7437054How do you guys even know how old these artists are? I don't know how old a single person I follow is
>>7437062Sounds like a skill issue. I'm just as old as you and have zero problem drawing 8 hours
>>743660725 is pretty much the perfect age to reinvent yourself. You still have the energy of youth, but you have some perspective, you're not a complete hormonal mess, and you're shouldn't be as desperate to seek approval of everyone around you.
I'm turning 25 in a couple months and over the course of 1 year I've managed to draw like I haven't in the last 7 years. Give me one reason why I should be feeling demotivated about my age.>inb4 still a /beg/apart from that.
>>7437198Because this board is meant purely for demotivation
>>7437173it is a skill issue, but for you. You're clearly drawing for fun instead of drawing to produce art that lots of people are waiting for.
Just spend tomorrow watching Gurren Lagann, then throw your broadband router and your smartphone into the nearest river. Buy 10 minutes on a public Internet terminal in a year and tell us how you're doing.
I've been radio silent for 5 years just drawing and grindding, can I get some feedback about my art?Anything you like or dislike?https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/21004785https://x.com/103anon
>>7437309>likeThe grady VHS like artstyle.>dislikeYukari.
Thanks!VHS like artstyleReally? never thought of that>>dislike>Yukari.
>>7437332meant for >>7437316
>>743576025 is very young. I started drawing about 3 years ago very sporadically on and off. Some anons here say it's good, some say it's shit, but I enjoy doing it and that's the most important thing about a hobby. Im 34 now, started trying to actually get decent at 31. It's never too late to learn more about something you enjoy doing. Keep in mind the avarage lifespan is close to 80 now so you're not even in the middle of your life until you're 40. The brain isn't even considered full developed until your early 20s. You're barely an adult at 25.Don't try to compare yourself to others. If you enjoy drawing then draw. There will always be people who are better than you at drawing and there will always be people who aren't as good as you at drawing. We all develop our talents differently, and it's about the act of drawing, and learning more about the craft.Oh and don't mind the crabs. There's always people on here who are going to be super aggro for no reason, it's a part of 4chan culture.
the problem isn't being oldthe problem is that at that age you either have a job or have to get a job which means barely any time to properly get goodbasically you are too old to change career into art which is what a lot of people wish for
>>7435760yep, sucks to suck, should've picked up a hobby when you were a teenager
i pretty much started when i was 25 too (last year kek) for me the biggest concern is that everything i want to draw now might not interest me later, and i can accurately get my current ideas out. but also i don't want to hit 30 and not know how to draw because i was 20 and thinking "oh no i'm too old to learn urgh!" and five years later i deeply regret not at least doing figure studies every month
>>7437440This is what I don't understand about these whiny retards. You're going to get old regardless, dumbass. You can't change the past. So do you want to be old and miserable, or old and able to draw?
>>7436789the reason you're not getting good at drawing isn't because you're starting when you're 25, it's because you spend your time whining about your age instead of actually practicing
>>7435760https://youtu.be/MJDtQTTAogk?feature=sharedThis guy is in his mid 30s and learned to draw decently in under a year.
just be a millionaire with a loving wife and draw all day for a year bro
>>7437570I already draw since childhood you idiot. I am not the OP you retarded spastic.
>>7437062Yep, to me that's the hardest thing about drawing. Actually having the mental stamina and patience to sit down and draw for hours. It's not doable for me nowadays.
>>7437712If you look at his studies he drew like 3-4 pages a day, and maybe like 4 sketches per page. Stop making excuses
>>7436237Animation Studio work. I've worked intermittently at a few studios over the years, but I've also done plenty of mundane jobs since then.Right now I'm doing design work for a toy company. I keep thinking about trying to get back into animation, but the industry is a disaster zone right now, so...
>>7435824>Right now you have the energy to do things all day. Someday you won't. Someday you will wake up in bed and have to think real hard about whether or not its worth getting out.I'm feeling this way my whole life, and I'm only 24 so far.Training executive function and mastering rest is and always was essential to me to even do anything at all.It's not a matter of getting old, it's a matter of what you do about it.I draw, program, edit videos, and have a job.(not just that but those are the main ones) Not everything at once(except a job), but in turns for a few days with appropriate rests when body demands it. Sometimes my body feels so exhausted out of mental exercise that for the next two days I feel like I ran a maraton, but I've done 2 weeks of progress every day for 9 days straight then. It was worth it.That's what mastering EF will do for you.
>>7437712Dude has a newborn baby and I guarantee is more productive than you throughout the day. Stop making excuses and FUCKING DRAW.
>>7437432>have job that's enough to get by but affords me tons of free time to draw>i can even draw most of the time i'm at work>still don't because lol fuck you executive dysfunction
>>7437850>programHow did you learn that?
>>7437712People really still using this as an excuse kek. God I love how many beg minds were absolutely broken by Pewds
>>7435824>Someday you will wake up in bed and have to think real hard about whether or not its worth getting out.That's basically my whole life. I'm already used to that shit and just stay in bed anyway.
Depression is a hell of a drug and time is the biggest contributer to it. Unless you are some lucky bastard who actually made it, it's best to just not care and try to do what you can with your limited possibilities. My life was ruined from the start.
>>7437867Years of "practice". Practice as in following impulses back when I had no EF control whatsoever. I wanted x to exist, so I took programming, and tried to make it exist, but then dropped it countless times for another impulse. Over two decades I'm good at programming despite having finished maybe 1 project at most.I work in programming now, and I did deliver commercial projects solo, I just don't count them to my personal finished count.I don't even like programming. It's the means to x existing. Pure representation of EF. Which is why I failed every time.
>>7437876My life was destined to be the greatest project of all time. Getting from the very bottom to the very top of upper class.It has yet to happen, but if it works out, it's the single greatest thing I could accomplish.>My life was ruined from the start.Get some narcissism for the love of god.
>>7437880>Get some narcissism for the love of god.I don't see any reason to lie about this. At least I am not in jail or married with some old annoying hag.
>>7437881You're lying to yourself by not seeing this.Absolutely revolting to see somebody with able mind (unlike my EFD, but I train it and move anyway) not challenging themselves.Every normal person is capable of everything I do in time equal to 1/3rd of what I need to get there.You are already 2/3rds of the way ahead of me and you are wasting it away.If you're gonna sleep through this willingly, hell no wonder people are gonna be ahead of you at your own dreams.(due to your lack of ambitions)I understand depression too, and there is no excuse. Take care of yourself, master rest, sleep well and visit a specialist if you need to.
>>7437886Take your meds
>>7437898Meds for "adhd" would help me.But why should I ever take them when I don't need them? I can just train my EF and eventually render it completely irrelevant.(already mostly did)I'm not going to be on meds for the rest of my life just to be able to do even the most basic tasks consistently and without problems.If you sentence yourself to that, you essentially gave yourself a disability.
>>7437903But you do have a disability, why are you so afraid of admitting it?
>>7435808sciencecuck spotted
>>7437909Admitting what? Taking meds is admitting that I cannot improve and that I have let my brain's natural state win.More than that. "ADHD" is not a disability. It's not something you cannot deal with without meds. It's not like not having a leg or being colorblind or having seizures. This can be worked within the brain to get completely under control over years/decades.
>>743576015 year old you: oh no i should've started drawing when i was 10 it's over20 year old you: oh no i should've started drawing when i was 15 now it's really over25 year old you: oh no i should've started drawing when i was 20 now it's actually over30 year old you: oh no i should've started drawing when i was 25 now it's super mega overcycle repeats until death. just start now. best time to start was 5 years ago second best time is now.
>>7437916Actually, the best time to start is IN 5(10/15/...) years, because you will be so much better at learning by then.But the 2nd best time is now, and you WANT to do this.
>>7437915alright man enjoy the constant bootstrap pulling
>>7437918I drew as a kid and I had no idea what the hell I am doing. I just copied pictures from videogames and manga. It maybe helped a bit but it's not like I roduced anything of value back then. You really need to be connected to people who know what they are doing. That's why Japanese people are so good at manga, because they live right at the source and can easily get all kinds of inspirations.
>>7437924I thought you were throwing an ironic joke but I've googled what bootstrap pulling means and... it's actually pretty nice.Thanks. I didn't expect a civilized end of discussion on 4chan. Maybe I should do that a bit more.You too have fun.
>>7435760>remembering my age>I'm 25
>>7435760>Even if I spend like 8 hours a day drawing, I won't be decent until I'm 28cuck mentality, dumb nigger thinking it's that linear, your 8 hours don't mean shit if you are wasting them drawing nonsensetwo hours of dedicated study for what YOU want to create is much better than 8 hours of drawing boxes in perspective
>>7437944It's that mentality that just mindlessly putting in the hours yields good art that condemns so many to permabegdom. It's not a fucking game, autists
>>7436217He was so fucking based, honestly way before his time
>>7437852a newborn baby and a loving wife GIVE you energy, retard. It drives you and creates motivation. I'm drawing in SPITE of my shitty life. The only thing pushing me forward is despair and spite, I'm 1000% stronger than pewdiepie and if I had even 1% of his motivation then I'd be a pro.
>>7438295I've never read anything quite this stupid here before.
>>7438298You are clearly a third worlder in how you see the world, you don't know what depression in the first world is like and you don't think its even real. I wish you the best in your art endeavors
>>7438299What the fuck are you even saying?
>>7436455>Get jumpscared seeing my gura drawing being used as a reaction imageNani the fuck
>>7435801t. coping 30 year old
>>7435760>I won't be decent until I'm 28, nearly 30.Time will move anyway get to work
>>7438299>you don't know what depression in the first world is likeThis. I basically live in a ghost town. Good luck being productive when living in a ghost town with nothing going on at all.
>>7435760Your comparison point should be 40 or 50 not 30. Who will you be 20 years from now if you don’t do anything creative now? It’s not even about getting good but just having more in your life than slop to entertain you. Don’t turn into a joyless old man
>>7438442If you are a joyless old man like me then you don't have the patience to draw anyway.
I would say it would make more sense to just make sport instead of drawing.
>>7438438That does not really change anything.And "first world depression" isn't real.(I live in it)What is real is just depression.And mine would go away instantly if I didn't need to care about money for the rest of my life.(being left to creation is my dream, but I waste 8/10 of my time at work)
>>7435760Im 27 (and a half) . You have one advantage over highschoolers. You can more easily force yourself to do things the teen doesn't want to do. Like read a book and apply lessons.
>>7435760Just fake it. Pretend to be underage to fit in with the retards.
>>7438552You're telling me people can lie about their age on the internet?I could say I'm an 18 year old girl and get money from simps?
>>7435760i thought this way too until i realized how young i still am, most masters didnt achieve their status until their later years. Even if you had started at 30, and assumed u were going to live until 60, that's still 30 years to get better. Stop letting your age drag you down. Go draw
>>7437871then get the fuck up and draw
I sympathize with not wanting to deal with young people, seriously, where do I find communities that aren't full of kids? I'd rather kill myself than see another 15 year old's opinion
>>7437309whats your goal?
>>7438628>>7435760LAS discord, many people in their mid late 20s and 30s
>>7438628how about an 18 year old :33
glad to see 151 people fell for bait
>>7438815why even use a board if you think everything is bait
>>7436480>Anon. I'm 35.'Sup old manpyw
>>7438938I don't art anymore but I did this one a while back, it was done to somewhat emulate the style of Black Souls.
>>7438815it's 4chan. the master race does not fall for bait. the crème de la crème of intellectuals is present
>>7439004You should keep drawing, this is pure sovl
