I want to draw but everything about it, including all the guidebooks I've looked at, looks too complicated for me. I get filtered by Loomis, and the IC drawing guide. When it gets to the body, my mind completely blanks out and I just give up.
>>7439615have you tried drawing?
>>7439618It doesn't help when I don't even know the basics. Why try when I don't know the fundamentals? Scribbling does nothing for me and I stop after doing just a couple of circles.
>>7439615Aren't you the source filmmaker howie guy? Surprised you're still around asking the same questions
>>7439624have you looked at the basics?
>>7439630Yes, and it's too complex looking for me.
>>7439630I've also tried looking at Loomis, but I can't make myself read more than a paragraph without getting distracted and looking at my phone again.
>>7439632>>7439640your final (you). baka
just pet the dog
Even when I get rid of distractions, I end up spacing out and thinking about other things that make me lose focus.
>>7439642Okay. Thanks for zero help, I guess.
pet the dog nigga
>>7439675>>7439643I'm looking for advice as to how to do that.
you could try first by drawing pinterest anime floating heads or eyes, thats what im doing
>>7439707Yeah but I want to learn the fundamentals first.
>>7439618 I try drawing and the most I can do is a few circles and lines before giving up and looking at my phone again.
>>7439615What do you want to draw?
>>7439769I want to make stories in a visual medium because I thought I'd never be able to use a literary medium to tell them.
>>7439647>Even when I get rid of distractionsI just did that, I got rid of anime and manga and my HDD is full of drawing courses and books.I'm GMI this year, wish me luck anons.
This howie has been here for years at this point, damn. Same "visual medium" language, too .
>>7439754Wait a minute, didn't you say you would kill yourself if you won't become an artist in a year? The time is up, dude.
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>>7439776Put your phone away. Download this book and try going through it.https://archive.org/details/drawingmadeeasyh00lutz/mode/2up
>>7439843I need my phone to look through it. If I do it on my desktop I'll get distracted too.
>>7439872Don't use your phone; the screen is too small. Have it printed yourself or just buy a copy:https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/products/9781429046541Make an honest effort even if the early lessons seem simple. This book imparts some very important, fundamental skills. It is aimed at children, so it's worth you trying if other resources haven't worked. It does eventually get to drawing faces and simple figures, which will help you with drawing comics or whatever you have in mind.
>>7439894>>7439615OP I can't draw for shit either, the important thing is you just keeping drawing, use 3d models & references if you have to >>7439638
For me it's the opposite. I can draw very well, but I just have no patience and willpower for it anymore.
>>7439615>filtered by LoomisI just started reading Loomis figure drawing book because you guys meme'd Loomis to death but so far it's a nice book, it's not hard, there's little text, it's insightful, there's interesting trivia about drawing and anatomy, I already learned a lot from it and I'm not even halfway through.
>>7439615> I want to draw butSame here. I'm working up my courage to pick up a pencil. Maybe one day.
>>7440669Loomis is legitimately great, as are Jack Hamm, the Famous Artists Course and E.G. Lutz (mentioned earlier in this thread). Old books tend to be better than anything that came out from the 1970s onward, although there are a few newer anatomy books that are very good.
>>7439886Even when I get rid of distractions, I end up spacing out and thinking about other things and get distracted anyway. I'm trying to make things things look good, not children's book guides.
>>7440669I get to the body construction and it looks too difficult for me and I gave up.
>>7439734you dont need fundamentalsyou need to enjoy drawing
>>7440866I try drawing and the most I can do is drawing circles for a few seconds before giving up and looking at my phone again.
>>7440844I get it, you're trolling. Have fun with that. If this was a proper forum you'd be banned for wasting people's time and goodwill with your bullshit.
>>7440878No? I have ADHD. That's the problem.
>>7440879Then you're on the wrong forum. You need to seek help curing yourself of the effects of drugs you were prescribed for a made-up illness.
>>7440879do you have the "either 100% or 0% of brain activity" adhd or "dopamine snowball" adhd?if you don't know then explain what an average day looks like to you
>>7440893My normal day looks like me laying in bed, looking at my phone, occasionally jerking off on stimulants, texting on discord and other stuff, before going to sleep. I only ever get up to go to the bathroom or eat. It's exhausting to even eat and I leave the table a couple of times.
>>7440893Whenever I'm off of meds, I get too energized to do anything or sit still.
>>7440899ok, i want you to get out of your bed. get a paper and pencil, sit down at a desk and look at the paper for 15 minutes. then draw me 30 boxescan you even sit down? are you anxious about it?
>>7440912I'm anxious and I get tired even sitting up in my chair for too long unless I'm playing video games or listening to something. Currently, I'm not in my house to do it right now. I will do it when I get home.
>>7440918the anxiety is somewhat easy to fix but wdym by "tired sitting on my chair"? is it more of a back issue or a boredom issue?
>>7440920It's a movement issue. I feel tired just from sitting in my chair. My slouch is really bad and my back hurts from sitting too long. My limbs just feel heavy and I'm almost always tired. Even my adderall doesn't even seem to help this. I'm on both adderall and paroextine and it doesn't seem to help.
>>7439615Copying is the easiest way to start drawing and once you start there will be time for learning fundamentals one by one.
>>7440526How? What programs should I use?
>>7440964I'm trying to get the motivation to do it. I can't even get out of bed most of the time.
>>7440973The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is published by the American Psychiatric Association. It is a classification of so-called "mental disorders." The first DSM (DSM-I) listed 60 disorders. The current version (DSM-5) has almost 300. How are these "mental disorders" discovered? Psychiatrists observe or have reported to them by patients certain combinations of behaviors and feelings regarded as undesirable; they call this a "disorder" and give it a name. Then come the drugs. The more disorders, the more drugs can be sold. And the drugs have all sorts of nasty side effects, such as causing psychological problems that can be diagnosed as additional "mental disorders" for which additional drugs can be prescribed. Get a child on this wagon early and he will be a customer for life. (He might also end up committing suicide, sometimes after killing a bunch of other people, but we can blame that on guns or video games.)>Of the DSM-5 task force members, 69% report having ties to the pharmaceutical industry, an increase from the 57% of DSM-IV task force members.[79] A study of the DSM-5-TR found that 60% of the American physicians contributing to the revised edition received payments from industry.[80]
don't give this howie the time of day. hide thread and move on
>>7441011ADHD is one of the most easy to diagnose mental disorders. I was diagnosed formally as a little kid.
>>7441030Exactly.
>>7441016Why hide him? This is the reality of drawing, his experience is just as legitimate as yours.
>>7440707>Loomis is legitimately great, as are Jack Hamm, the Famous Artists CourseI read Jack Hamm and FAC before Loomis and I agree with you, they're great.>>7440707>Old books tend to be better than anything that came out from the 1970s onwardI have a theory that old books are made by legit art teachers instead of scammers.>>7440707>newer anatomy books that are very goodLike the sculptors and Morpho, right?
>>7441070>Like the sculptors and Morpho, right?I haven't looked at those ones, but Goldfinger is a very clear and thorough reference. Stephen Rogers Peck has some helpful sketches that show simplifications and whatnot. Roberto Osti is very beginner-friendly and has a systematic approach to actually learning — he starts with stereometric figures, gives all the proportions, helps you build a simplified skeleton, even has step-by-step guides to laying on the muscles in different areas of the body. Most of the older books on anatomy are just text that drowns you in facts accompanied by plates that drown you in details. You can learn that way but they aren't doing much to ease the journey.
>>7441004Motivation is cope. It's a way of avoiding the reality that you simply don't want to draw. Maybe you're telling yourself this because you feel like you ought to accomplish something substantial, something that will make you feel proud.Figure out why you feel like you should draw and think about whether you actually want to draw or not. If you come to the conclusion that you have an obligation to draw (and to draw specifically, not the obligation to do *anything*), you will draw. If you come to the conclusion that you want to draw, you will draw. If you come to the conclusion that you don't have to draw and don't want to draw, you won't draw.
>>7441096Yeah I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried. I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed. Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.>Gave up on Source Filmmaker>Gave up on GameMaker>Gave up on FireAlpaca>Gave up on Photoshop>Gave up on writingI didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.
>>7441090>Roberto OstiI heard great things about this guy, do you have a link to his book or video course? thanks.
>>7441160I paid for his book (the first one; haven't gotten the others yet). He has lots of free videos on YouTube and a free Patreon tier.
>>7441150How old are you? Do you have a job? If you are able to sleep whenever you want, play video games and watch porn without having to worry about paying any bills, you will probably never learn to draw. You've gotten accustomed to instant gratification. Learning to draw is hard. It will always be easier to play video games and surf the web, so that's what you'll do. If you were serious about learning to draw, you'd put your PC, phone and gaming consoles in a safe deposit box and bury the key in the backyard. Or just smash them to pieces. Anyway, you don't need a phone if you aren't leaving your room. If you have nothing else to do, maybe you'll draw to kill the time.
>>7441182I'm 25 and have a part time job. I still can't make myself do anything even on the weekends. Even when I have no access to the internet, I just sit around staring at a wall doing nothing.
>>7441182Tell me what the fuck to do then. A higher dosage of adderall, anti anxiety medication. This is on top of a booster dosage I'm taking each day too. My mind and my body locks up and prevents me from actually doing anything. Usually either out of anxiety or my mind and my body simply just locking up and telling me "What the fucks the point"? And just making me look back at my phone again or just stimming and staring at a wall.Legitimately NOTHING has worked. I felt better for a week and then nothing. This has gone back all the way since I was a teenager too. I had thyroid problems that got fixed, but this never got any better.I don't know how to get the motivation to do anything. Even when I do happen to try my hardest in doing something, it's always half as good or even just 2% as good as anybody else doing the same thing, because me being purely retarded and unable to learn or focus. Even when I try, nothing good happens. My entire body feels sore and I rest for the whole day. I've been working out for 2 years and lost 20 pounds as well.
>>7441150For all you fucking retards giving actual advice, OP is a known troll. He's not here for advice and this thread is purely to waste your time.Do. Not. Reply.
>>7441273Joke is on him. I was bored so I decided to waste HIS time by giving him advice, knowing full well he'd have to type another reply explaining why it wouldn't work.
>>7439615As someone who also struggles with wordy guides, I try not to think too hard about it. It's a major discouragement realizing how out of your depth you are, so I just do what I can instead.
