>>7726210This isn't bad, just stylized, and it's phenomenal. I miss when MJ was hot.
>>7726201I recall watching a video that explains how the Cap image was made, and its anatomy actually isn't terrible, but the inclusion of the shield makes everything look wonky and terrible.I also recall that Liefeld was warned that it was a shitty image, and Liefeld wasn't fussed because it isn't anything important, just a quick marketing piece to let people know he'll be working on the cap series, and he didn't think many would see it anyway... and now it's probably his most well known drawing, lol.I guess the moral of the story is to always be paranoid that your very worst public drawing will be the one that follows you everywhere, haha.
>>7726201There's plenty of examples of bad anatomy in the capeshit industry, specially in the 90s when most pro artists learned to draw comics by tracing them.Roger Cruz even admited to it, he said that tracing Jim Lee x-men comics is how he learned the craft...
>>7726253
>>7726223
>>7726223>PhenomenalOh really..Collarbone is a straight line, right leg just popping out of torso and the head looks stiffly pasted on top of body as an afterthought and needs some overall work. Muscles are static (especially noticable around the neck area). Meanwhile this spiderman has extra superpowers with his elongated limbs, left shoulder in an uncomfortably unatural angle. Not to mention his back which lacks general construction due to lack of anatomical knowledge.It sure is stylized but if he had a more advanced knowledge of figure drawing and anatomy it would carry over in this one.Good example of iconic bad anatomy.
>>7726259That's it. Looking at it; lowering the arms (behind the shield and his own body) and having the pecs flexed like that, is probably still 'anatomically incorrect', but it's not the absolute insane mistake everyone thought it was.Really, his biggest mistake was not giving taking the warning onboard and using that image regardless, not noticing how goofy it looked.Ah well, at least we all got a funny image out of it.
>>7726253it was a rush job too for heroes reborn. the ink wasnt even dry on the contracts and they needed some pieces for promo at comicon or some shit. the image was never used in any comic, yet still posted all the time.
how has nobody posted this anatomy kino yet?
>>7726271Let's see your redraw.
>>7726201After AI these kind of shit doesn't matter anymore.
>>7726618If you can't quicky glance at the drawing and see that it's wonky then that's a solid indicator that you're not competent enough to judge whether something is well constructed or not. You simply lack the technical knowledge and mileage to speak on matters like this with any kind of authority. I'm not bashing the artist. I'm just making an obvious observation and disputing your over the top opinion that it's "just stylized" and "phenomenal".You go first. PYW and I'll post mine. Why would I need to prove myself for critiquing this drawing? Why doesn't the same apply to you? If it's so good and my critique is just bs then prove it by showing me your own skill level. If it's so phenomenal then I'm sure you know what you're talking about...
>>7726733>You simply lack the technical knowledge and mileage to speak on matters like this with any kind of authority.Wanna show us that you have the authority? I'm not making any claims about the piece but want to see if you have the ability to back up your words and improve the piece.
>>7726271I don't see the problem with the anatomy being innacurate in a stylized artwork as long as it's appealing, and this is.
>>7726868lol it’s only appealing if your a retarted coomer
>>7726881Didn't Proko draw that?
>>7726875>liking beautiful women with feminine features = being a "coomer"Sure, have it your way.
>>7726614What's wrong with this one? Her legs being straight instead of following the curve of her torso? Despite that I actually think this cover is fantastic, doesn't bother me one bit. I file this under "artistic license" because the forced perspective is at least cool.
>>7726201>>7726210>>7726256>>7726259>>7726614Is it just as egregious for mainstream webcomics
>>7726907Webtoon is what happens when you value sparkly anime faces and tracing over life drawing
>>7727175>>7726907>webtroonz>anything to do with animet. low cognitive resolution
>>7726201
>>7727250ayyyy lmao
Pre and Post rcdart mentalboom. Always makes me laugh
Yaoi shoulders also provides a source of joy to me
>>7727250who tf draw thisbad anatomy final boss
>>7726210>>7726271>>7726733If you were /int/ or above, you would know that the artist prioritized gesture over anatomy. Brutal ngmi.
>>7727407Post full page next time.Indeed a classic of bad anatomy.
>>7727250I don't think anyone in the thread can beat this. Every aspect of the figure has something awful going on.I held up my loomis books toward the screen while looking at it, and the book started to smoke a bit.Truly Awful.
>>7727243you're right they're chinese comics instead of cartoons you fucking faggot ass weeboid
>>7727250I live in constant fear that I’m just as bad and too /beg/ to recognize it.
>>7727250>just draw
>>7727457make me. lol
>>7727250I remember this thread, I participated in it. I can't for the life of me find the image it's been so long. You think if someone threw it into AI now like they did back then it would look better?
>>7727650What did you participate in? Was the guy posting progress pics and you all were giving bad advice or what?
>>7727250even though this is terrible the background is kinda good
>>7727659>What did you participate in?It was a year or two back and this person was asking how to get better or something. Someone else drew it over which made more people do it (as these threads usually goes) and then the AI bros came and ran it through AI which changed a lot of it, I think picrel was the only one with an accurate background. I remember it being a fun thread but again it was 2 years ago
>>7727688>how to get betterNo I actually think someone took that from deviantart or something and we were all shitting on it and that's why we tried to redraw it.
>>7727250atleast its a complete piece
>>7727243its crazy how i can tell exactly who you are because you keep spamming that exact image each time someone offends the honor of your gook cartoons, even when you seemingly dont understand the point its makingits not an insult or saying people who dont identify anime are stupid, its saying that they just dont have a close knowledge of anime so they can only judge it in broad strokes; they simply havent put time into anime, so they are bad at identifying it, same way you'd suck shit at separating the different eras of art made before the 1900s
>>7728202he thinks webtoons have anime faces. it's indicative of even lower cognitive resolution than simply seeing anime in broad strokes, which is understandable for people without close knowledge.
>>7727457these are some attack on titan tier proportions
>>7727688soulless
>>7726614There's literally nothing wrong with this apart from a lengthened neck and exaggerated foreshortening. Her chest occludes her lower torso and most of her legsI fucking hate Riri
>>7728213>anime facesWhat is an 'anime face', what are its identifiable features - which the example webtoon posted does not have?
>>7727688looks as generic as slop does
>>7728488> I fucking hate RiriRacist!
>>7727250Are we allowed to post other anons art? Because if so, I have a collection.
>>7728580post everything immediately
>>7726223I love this template
>>7728588
hell yeah finally some proper fucking garbage
>>7726271>Collarbone is a straight lineIt's literally not, didn't even read the rest of your post because you are just a lying nigger. Kill yourself.
>>7727407HASAN PIKERRRR
I promise there's no hard feelings anons. We all have to draw terribly in order to draw good.
>>7728687but this guy never improved
>>7728680fucking lol
>>7726210this has got to be slop
>>7726271shut up faggot
>>7728700Sorry you have no taste and no understanding of the body, retard. >>7728689Classic permabegsyndrome.
>>7728680This is based, not bad
>>7728669I mean this isnt even inherently bad, not sure if this is supposed to be one of the characters or an OC but it looks like anon had fun making it and I have fun lookin at it, not bad
>>7728819just stop man
>>7726201All the clamp drawings are made with bad anatomy
>>7728954Y-Yakub?
>>7729021>what appears to be a supposed action scene >tl;dr chuuni dialogue right in the middle of itwhy's capeshit always like this?
>>7726259Not a justification. Just look at the trap. Arnold's is facing us. Cap's is completely sideways, making the position of his left pec impossible.What you may have succeeded in is finding the original inspiration/trace material, but Cap's anatomy is still impossible.
>>7727688>2 years agoI could swear I've seen it posted here and there for almost a decade now
>>7729308kino
>>7729361Wasn’t it originally posted here around 2018?
>>7726201Big boobs
>>7726256Parker looks so flat. Why?
>>7727688>still has anatomy mistakesWhat was even the point?
>>7732738Because Greg Land
>>7726256>A face that somehow doesn't match the body>They feel as if they're floating>A pose that doesn't match the situation>It looks like she is wearing a wigIt's a rather shockingly ugly cover, and perhaps the worst comic cover I've seen? It's just incredibly unpleasant to look at, even compared to more straight forward examples of ugly comic covers.
Why is there a disconnect between the commercial artwork posted in this thread and what this board calls /pro/? The commercial artists and mangakas posted here were paid to make those drawings with the ridiculous anatomy or angles (whether or not they intended to). By the straightest definition of the word their artwork is inherently professional (i.e. characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession or participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs). It is commercialized. /pro/ needs to be called something else.
>>7732887>/pro/ needs to be called something else.If a plumber came to your house to fix a simple leak, but was unable to do so, would you describe such a man as a 'professional'?Yes, his profession is a plumber, he is a professional plumber, but it wouldn't be the appropriate adjective to use when describing his abilities.Essentially, 'professional' as a word is polysemous, but those meanings are a little hard to parse because they're similar but different;1- The job; the profession2- The Skill; a skill so good they're akin to someone who should have that profession, or even greater than that as they're held up as the standard for what those in the profession should be.It should also be noted that people actually in a profession don't shorten the word profession to 'pro' when talking about such,likewise, good skill is rarely described as professional (these days) and the slang word 'pro' is used far more often.Anyway, what this autistic post on semantics is saying is.../pro/ is fine, it's just these professional artists aren't pros.
>>7728669>Neil Patrick Harris as a Saiyan Oompa Loompa hybridepic, I want more of this
>>7727250>'this is how light works' style of shading>Loomis body and head techniques >blocky 'box' perspective This is what happens when you draw boxes and loomis heads. Never read the stickty, bois
>>7728580I've never seen a better example of a polished turd before. What the fuck.
>>7728669>typical Marc brunette fan
>>7728680I remember this sick piece of shit constructoid
>>7726201this liefeld cover doesn't get talked about enough. it's so bad, not just anatomically.
>>7733045i like how you can tell when an artist is comfort zone drawingyou could only create such an ugly face if you were doing so
>>7728683I like this one
>>7727688the pic was reposted here regularly years before any AI image generation became available
>>7733038The funny thing is that they are different constructards. It's funny how it happened more than once.
>>7729308His 2016 stuff isn’t so bad.
>>7728684mogs me
>>7729060its literally how marvel works, they called it "the marvel method", it basically was the artist coming up with panels and actions and designs and etc from a vague plot outline by the writer (generally stan lee), who would then take the finished comic and add his own panels of dialogue on topit offloaded all the creative work to the underpaid artist while stan got to shit it up with verbose prose and claim credit for all the ideas in it
>>7732738>Why?greg land's entire workflow is literally just photobashing + tracing, with the female characters in particular being porn screenshots most of the time, specially on the faces, which is why the characters are inconsistent in terms of proportions, facial features, perspective and a whole bunch of other stuff as 99% of the time they are just a recolored stock photo
>>7726210Nothing wrong with this, only Obese Tumblr Troons are seething over a sexy woman.
>>7729024There is nothing wrong with this, it's peak Itagakis understanding anatomy, muscularity and proportions. >B-but muh muscles that don't existEvery muscle there exists, Itagaki just draws like characters have 0% body fat to make every muscle visible.
>>7733045The random hand and lady face always got me, like it makes sense if you read the book but just seeing the cover it looks ridiculously out of place
>>7733691X - PenisX - VaginaO - Secret third option
>>7733045Liefeld has been going on tiktok lately to "set the record straight" and remind people that Heroes Reborn: Captain America was a huge seller and wildly popular. Seems he's very salty about the reputation it has these days.
I met rob liefeld at a convention once he’s a real nice guy so I think it sucks that people make fun of his art
>>7733790I listen to his podcasts, and while he says often he was a big seller, he doesn't seem to use that as a defense for his art - he's just saying he obviously did something right that kids loved. It's a justification of his career, not his art.The biggest cope he seems to have is that he often brings up how much life drawing he did and has done, and how his drawings were purposely stylised and that he could have drawn realistically if he wanted to, but chose to draw that way (which I don't think is true, but whatever).Honestly though, for all the griping and dunking on his art, it really does seem like sour grapes; there's worse examples of art out there, there's worse examples of comic art out there, Liefeld is just the one most derided because he was popular, and seemingly remains so.Meanwhile, does anyone know the names of the artists for the dogshit comic art coming out as of late? They seem worse, because at least liefelds art was 'edgy' and 'cool', rather than the wretched soft turds that DC and Marvel squirt out these days.He's art practically represents the 90's, so he must have done something right.And I say all this as someone who really doesn't like Liefelds art.
>>7726202Yea u don't see why or how this artist keeps getting hired to do story art for the street fighter series, his stuff is fine but for a full priced game with well known beloved characters and the developers putting their hard work and time into the game I don't see how they let this guy get away with this artwork
>>7726202What is going on with Zan's chest? The hair on it is particularly goofy, not to mention the tangent with the finger is bad.
>>7733038>>7733328pyw trannies
>>7733870Liefeld is an icon of the time and he's still out here doing his thing, and for all the hate he gets you have to admit that when you see Liefeld art you know immediately that it's Liefeld. People love to shit on him but I'd happily take Extreme GunPouch over the sterile overworked digital bullshit that's so common today
>>7733875I'm pretty sure that's bengus, who has been drawing for capcom since street fighter 1, so it's no wonder why they let him work on the games. His mvc and darkstalkers stuff is iconic but he's clearly fallen off. Plus I think it was rushed.
>>7729021Anger?? Anger is my middle name!!!
>>7733750There are still people who defend this shit just because it was made by short-dick Japanese.
>>7726202Le One Piece female waist
>>7733750This had to be ironic.
>>7727250I've seen this pic before but I'm not sure if was originally posted here or somewhere else
>>7733345Piro's stuff has always has this real sketchy look to it which I'm sure some folks love but to me it just ends up looking unfinished. Still this is a massive improvement over the art I remember back when I was reading Megatokyo in like 2003.
>>7733750Aberration
>>7728580please tell me this is liquified for added humor and not the original
>>7726210Nothing wrong with this, just fat tumblrinas seething over thin women. A woman even recreated this pose to show it's perfectly doable, if you are not a lardass.
>>7726259Arnold is posing, by twisting and arching his back while Cap is just standing there, it looks terrible because what is needed on the torso to make it look like Arnold's is not present in Captain America so the guys chest and torso is wider that it is tall.Terrible.
>>7728580He's got his priorities straight
>>7733038Holy shit this is bad
>>7729027the thumbnail didn't look so bad but the more I look at this the freakier it gets
>>7734956he's gotten a little better but not by much, it's hard to believe this is over a decades worth of progress. I was really baffled by this until I watched a live stream and it's mostly him sitting around fiddling with stuff, very little actual drawing,>pic related the most recent page
>>7735295He still hasn’t decided to draw any backgrounds, is that intentional??>very little actual drawing I can’t say I’m surprised by that.
>>7728669EXACTLY THE SAME
>>7728669>BY AZURA BY AZURA BY AZURA
>>7727407I love sattou
>>7735399fucking lmao
>>7735295>avoid drawing hands at all costs
Is this the thread where begs look at shitty art so they can feel better about their own shitty art?
>>7735437Which one of these art pieces were yours anon?
>>7732727Maybe. The pic is ancient; it’s def not from 2 years ago.
>>7727589>>7728913>>7734662Who the fuck writes like this? Is this board invaded by zoomers now?
>>7735468Jokes on you retard: I don’t draw.
>>7726881I wonder how Prokopenko feels about this being his most iconic drawing. Hell, this is probably the ONLY drawing he's made that people can remember.
>>7733750Ideal male physique.
>>7735534>Is this board invaded by zoomers now?anyone under 28 is a zoomer, i think the concept that the users of 4chan are 30 or older is much more dreadful, who the fuck stays here after 25
>>7736821Of course, after 25 you ought to graduate to the Reddit academy.Retard.
>>7728580>he even signed itlmao
>>7736821God forbid people above a certain age talk about hobbies
>>7733038>>7728680tylenol caused this
>>7736827>Of course, after 25 you ought to graduate to the Reddit academy.your brain is fully developed at that point so i'd assume you actually go out and live your life and worry about taxes or some shit, what is an actual fully grown man meant to be doing in the shit flinging website for retards and schizophrenics, is the gacha roll of getting 1 half decent reply every 3 hours of wading thru shit really worth it?>>7736846>implying people actually meaningfully talk about their hobbies in the respective hobby boardsunless your focus is on repeating the same 3 arguments that everyone has already made in the daily east vs west thread idk what you are doing here either
>>7736854I'm not reading your excuses, just end yourself.
>>7736854Who said 4chan is exclusively for people with undeveloped brains? You have tk be over 18 to post here to begin with.
>>7736854>what is an actual fully grown man meant to be doing in the shit flinging website for retards and schizophrenics, is the gacha roll of getting 1 half decent reply every 3 hours of wading thru shit really worth it?I ask myself this question almost daily. Fuck this shithole with a rake and fuck my habits too.
>>7728696it predates ai by years. tumblr was having a total shitfit over it with those>WhErE aRe HeR oRgAnS?!type of complaints.
>>7737278well, sure. i'm actually having trouble finding what actually fits together.
>>7728580The worst part about this is that my brain is actually capable of rationalizing all of the egregious mistakes.
>>7735965a nodraw has no moral high ground to judge beggars then. youre below even bottom feeders
>>7728736
>>7739377STFU faggot
>>7727250its maddening to see how polished this turd is.
>>7728580>/ic/ anons having their works archived in the cringe compilations of other anons Grim. Post more.
>>7741249I could fill the entire thread with Pawels, Esdeath, or that Lunatic Soda faggot.
>>7741282Cool cool. But first, how about you PYW.
>>7741293I'm sorry to hear your art has made it inside this very thread anon. We're just having a giggle, no hard feelings.
>>7741299>We're just having a giggle, no hard feelings.You and I both know that’s not true. And if it is all harmless fun then why are you too pussy to PYW? Oops. I guess I proved you wrong.
>>7726210Red line it
>>7729308Sovl
>>7741319If an anonymous thread filled with your early /beg/ art is enough to make you this upset then you're unironically not going to make it. I can't imagine how you'd react if people started posting about you on social media with names attached. Taking strides in online communities and not turning yourself into low hanging fruit by responding to every bait is quintessential in making good connections. If you can't handle the banter don't post on 4chan.
>>7741331>still too much of a little bitch to post his work. Looks like you can’t handle the bants, eh?
>>7741334>being this upsetKek. This is why you're in this thread.
>>7741282Got anymore constructoid cringe like what was posted earlier ITT and extremely malformed anime pics like the one I replied to?
>>7741354I probably do but folder isn't organized so it's hard to find.
>>7741392Why are fire emblem fans like this?
>>7741385Uglytz
>>7741384That's how online artists make their drawings so quickly.
>>7741336my fucking sides obliterated this is the first time I see this.
>>7741384Lol fucking cuckold
>>7741387>>7741388>>7741389I legit think this person uses Picasso as a reference
>>7728669OoOmpa Loompa Dooomity Doo
>>7741385this is what not understanding perspective does to a nigga
>>7726201This one gave me a hardy lol. For a guy that made his career by tracing photos, he couldn't trace a regular sized noggin for Spidey??
>>7741393Who is that supposed to be on the middle left? Jinbe? Vivi?
>>7726210i unironically like this style better than anime and i am a huge animefag...
>>7728669Bejitabros...
>>7741387I think I sadly unironically really like these Danganronpa artworks. They've got this Klasky Csupo-ass "realistically imperfect and disgusting" aesthetic that I think is actually more interesting character design-wise than the traditional anime hyper appealing kawaii uwu faces.Do I want to see this aesthetic everywhere? Fucking no. But I can respect the artist for going out of their way to make a cast of characters all look uniquely hyper-fucking disgusting with varying shapes making up their faces. The designs made me recoil in horror, laugh, be confused and laugh again. Find a random hentai VN and the character designs won't make me feel anything.Maybe we need to bring back some fucking wild-ass disgusting faces again. Surely more people were brainwashed by Klasky Csupo out there.
>>7745784This. If the dude drawing that didnt make them a crime to look at the head shapes would get far more praise for being unique, cartoon esthetic needs to make a comeback.
>>7728580I actually admire this anon.He commited. He worked his work to completion.Meanwhile i keep at drawabox exercises cus i am too afraid of actually drawing and facing my lack of skill.
>>7726259Not even the same pose.
>>7741392You may not like It but the anatomy Is sound.
>>7726201>>7726202>>7726210>anatomy on a fucking cartoon.lol nodraw
>>7745784Really? I think this stuff is the textbook definition of lazy, just take some characters and run them through the tumblr intersectional filter (TM) and phone in the rest.
>>7741385>draws guidelines>ignores them
>>7727406why were they obsessed with him of all characters being trans?
>>7741387Jameca is tje worset gender
>>7727688>>7729361pic is definitely at least a decadr old
>>7726201These legs>>7742509>>7742510>>7742579>>7742777
>>7746763Fag
>>7728669ARTIST NAME? ive been searching for him for a decade, he did all his fucking drawings the same way
>>7746798>Fag?? WhyAre you a leg fetishist
>>7746810Legendary image.
>>7746727Is like making all girls have giant boobs in fanart.
>>7741387>>7741388>>7741389Its genuinely impressive, there's so many very distinct faces, and all of them look AWFUL.Big eyes, small eyes, slanted, round, narrow, big noses, wide ones, all skin colours, all hair styles, and he managed to make ALL of them unappealing.
>>7747302It's also pretty insane how expressionless they all look despite how forced their facial features are. Like, you could ask a 4 year old to draw a happy character or a sad character and he'd do a more elegant job than this guy.
>>7729308Holy shit. I used to read this back in 02-03. Never heard anyone in my life mention it until now
>>7727250 I don't think it's possible to beat this level of turd-polishing. Like, everything other than anatomy is competent, it's kind of impressive.
>>7728680this is the type of "work" you see when an anon redlines your work here LOL
>>7732738he deflated
>>7746963Hate when screencaps dont screencap the responses too, I want to see peoples reaction to that shit.
Anything this dude makes should be on here.
>>7750184XDDD
>>7750184Butecinhaaa
