>>7797369
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7797372
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7797373
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

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>>7797369
Repost of the collab announcement and where it's at right now in case anyone still wants to join

We add our protagonists or mascot characters to a 2 page spread. (with no particular theme in order to keep things simple.)

This image is uncropped so you can create-new-from-clipboard and draw over it. I will edit together the final image. I will not add joke additions.

>>7797093
oop, typo. I still want to do a fantastical setting so I'm NOT ditching the idea of a fleshed out world entirely.

>>7797439
I'm doing a fantastical setting and I can't help think of random lore. Mostly because it's fun but also I feel like it helps with design and writing and keeping things cohesive.

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>>7797439
>>7797682
Actually you're supposed to stress out about it, not enjoy creating the setting.

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>>7797369
Any anons know what to send to the copyright office to get your dumb legal document.? I look up videos and I know copyright.gov has tutorials as well, but Im not clear as to what to send. My understanding is that I should submit what I have currently published for my comic(preferably as a pdf), but I've seen some videos where people say you should only submit like one image of your idea cause every additional image gets charged. But then I've seen some videos that say no thats actually for trademarking and its those fucks that charge for more then one image. I would just like some clarification for anons that went through this for their comic cause I dont want the government to charge me like 30 extra bucks for every page

>>7797730
On the offhand chance no one knowledgeable answers, I'd send just the one image and explain why and that you can send the rest if that's what's needed.

>>7797730
seems like a waste of money

>>7797730
I can answer your question regarding the US Copyright Office (if you're from another country and I'm barking up the wrong tree, I apologize in advance for wasting your time) as I've done it myself before. Under US law, there is an automatic presumption of copyright ownership when you publish your work out into the world in some capacity (actual professional publication is not needed here). However, this presumption is not ironclad and is easily subject to challenge, hence why some people do a formal application to the copyright office if they feel it's necessary. For others this whole thing is a massive waste of time. It's up to you.

The application process is rather simple - you just upload .pdf versions of all your files, and it is important to get all pages in the application. Not only is there no additional charge for each page uploaded, it is NECESSARY so that each page is protected under the formal copyright application once approved. The entire point is to be specific with your claim; being vague about what is copyright protected makes absolutely no sense. We are dealing with copyright here, not patent law.

Note: The only pain point is that the copyright office normally takes around 3.5 months for a full and complete digital application and there are no issues with the application. Any deviation will dramatically increase the time before a formal approval letter is issued. Additionally given that a lot of the copyright office was laid off, ongoing applications are taking a while to get processed.

>>7797768
Ah thank you anon. I've already published my work privately with my own website but wanted to at least get the application sent before I go public and post one here so I can get ahead of the game cause on the .gov website they do say you can do the whole "Copyright 2025 by Blah Blah Blah" while its in process on the off chance that the 5 people who end up viewing my comic one of them ends up being a fucking hack fraud and theres been a lot of those within these past couple of years
Also yeah my heart sank seeing that the shutdown effected that office too, I thought it wouldnt cause Copyright shit is a money making machine, but I can wait.
Again thank you again anon.

>>7797768
Nta but this is good info, thanks.

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How do you guys promote your comics? I just host mine on my own site, but I don't have a big social media presence so I'm not sure how to shill and get people to see or read them
>>7797720
toriyama was the king of making it up as you go along though

>>7797439
This image shows how utterly mediocre /mmg/ truly is. Not a single character looks interesting enough to make me curious about what kind of work any of these creators are making.

>>7797875
Maybe I should add some chainsaw hands. Good idea, thanks anon

>>7797875
Maybe he should add some red claw hands if you're worried about representation

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>>7797866
If I ever get to a point where I'm ready to post my comic, I'd make something like
https://x.com/WSJ_manga/status/1982465852050960398/video/1
A video trailer, showing the actual pages, with exciting music and suspense.

In addition, I'd make tons of eye catching posters like pic related (but digital, just posted online).
The biggest failing I see indie comic makers do in terms of marketing, is they just simply give their comic no presence. They either post just the same old cover hundreds of times, that doesn't tell you anything about the comic and gets boring after you've seen it once. Or they just post pages one at a time with no fanfare, and that gives you no real exciting grasp of what the comic is about.

You've gotta make it big, make it exciting. Give people something for their eyes to feast on, and most importantly, you've got to show the actual pages, because that's the real meat. If all you do is post an off-model poster, even if that's exciting, it's not the actual pages, it doesn't truly entice people.
It's like a restaurant advertising its food using only text "it's soo tasty! it's the best! you'll eat it all up!", but unless you show the actual food, it's just not good enough.

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>>7797875
Without outright bashing anyone, I think alot of indie comic makers are not designing their characters and their stories with much attention to achieving any actual success. They're often just personal projects rather than a marketable product.
They care only what they themselves think of their comic, but not whether others will like it also.

There's no rule saying you have to become famous and successful, but if you do want to be a success, you have to make something that actually catches peoples eye, that grips them, is exciting and interesting.
When you write your story, it's not enough to say "I like this", you must say "this is the best thing ever, this is something millions of people could enjoy and fall in love with".
And if it's not that, you should rework it, exaggerate it, make it continously better until in your eyes, it's the greatest masterpiece to have ever touched the earth.

>>7797875
I'm happy that so many have contributed to the collab. that's enough for me

>>7797866
Just shill yourself as much as possible, make a twitter since that's where anybody looks at anything.

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Let's see what kind of popular character designs are doing well today and how we can bite off them

>>7797899
>Or they just post pages one at a time with no fanfare
Beyond like one page gag comics, I've never liked the webcomic tradition of posting one page a week or whatever. I know there were old newspaper strips that would do it similar but one page at a time for a story you're invested in reading is just agonizing.

>>7797910
I agree with you on the message, but appeal is such a tricky concept when actually executed. Take your image with Arale for example. I hate Arale as a character and a design. I think she's one of the most unappealing characters ever made by Toriyama. If I saw her in the /mmg/ collab I might also join >>7797875
in complaining. That said I don't think the /mmg/ characters are that bad but I've also seen way more of these characters than just what's been put in the collab.

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>>7797875
I thought art and character design didn't matter and it was just storytelling that did?

>>7797933
>tall, dark, and handsome
Good, yes, very nice. Now show what's popular with the male demographic.

All you need is one design that can be the mascot and one design to be the fan art porn waifu.

>>7797933
Who the fuck reads these? Women? how many women really on their pcs reading yaoi slop? It can't be that much.

>>7797945
It all matters!

The cases where a comic or manga suceeds despite bad art or bad writing or whatever are one in a million exception cases, and even still, their success would be increased tenfold if the art or the writing or whatever is lacking was actually good.

If you think you can succeed despite a major part of your comic having a weak spot, you're just handicapping yourself. Go back and learn how to draw, or learn how to write. Your comic will thank you for it.

>>7797875
>Not a single character looks interesting enough to make me curious about what kind of work any of these creators are making.
The greatest rebuttal to all the delusional wannabes infesting both this and /hyw/ in one little sentence. No anons, people aren't going to read your comic if you don't have good art to back it up. And good art needs to still be appealing to carry it far enough to convince people to read it. Sadly that collage is completely underwhelming to us lurkers not investing in this general.

Art and writing are irrelevant, the most important aspects of a manga's success are voice acting and music.

>>7797953
>on their pcs
Anon, I...
>>7797957
Put your trip back on, samefag.

>>7797953
There is far more skill in >>7797933 than it is in >>7797439 and it's not even close.

>>7797957
>people aren't going to read your comic if you don't have good art to back it up. And good art needs to still be appealing to carry it far enough to convince people to read it
"One Punch Man" an anon retorted, a smug smile creeping across his lips like a euphoric redditor who remembered to grab his fedora before stepping outside to buy more Cheetos puffs at the nearby convenience store 250 miles away. "One Punch Man counters all of your claims."
>>7797957 was shocked. He couldn't believe what he was reading. "Oh my god, it's One Punch Man! Of course! We should ALL just become like One Punch Man. With art style like that, you can achieve anything." A Proko kangaroo crab-walked over in horrifying anguish and shed a single tear on his stylus.

>>7797957
the collage wasnt made with the intention of being shown to outsiders, so that's a moot point. nodraws seem to think popular artists/mangakas are just being themselves rather than heavily editing and revising what they put out for the world to see.

Is there a reason why /mmg/ anons are being dysgenically attacked for absolutely no reason non stop?

>>7797970
CSM is an examples of hype being more important than art quality. A lot of people only read whats already popular, they don't have the capacity to enjoy something on its own, they need a community to feel like they're a part of or that they're keeping up with current important events.
OPM (the actual webcomic) is not being read by the people who use it as an example, so that makes them wrong by default. Its an excuse used by people online when they need to defend other manga with shit art. The thing with arguing online is that you don't have to make sense or even be right, you can just say anything.

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>>7797369
For people who have interest in how commercial manga editor and pro manga artist works, watch this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@manga_one

>>7797979
/ic/ is dying and more and more bait threads are popping up. More people visit just to troll as well and generals are ripe for trolling.

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>>7797969
I randomly clicked on one of those highly skilled webtoons and this was the very first panel

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Hey would you look at that, I clicked on another one.
This was at least the 2nd panel.

>>7797982
I Refuse to believe anyone think thi is fun. I mean I get the funny part of a little bait but if the entire thing is just troll and bait post then the thing loses it's meaning

>>7797985
aren't these things made by temp agencies or something? teams of artists just grinding out panels in an assembly line with no creative thought?

>>7797979
Full time job havers mad that they can't make their manga. Only here to bully the ones who try while on their lunch breaks. Who's only contributions is to call out spelling mistakes and pointing at OPM as the cookie cutter "how to" webcomic series, despite not reading it.

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And another one.
At least they actually drew something in this one, even if that had to post a texture on top of it.

I'm actually feeling better about my beg drawings for some reason. Thank you crab anon

One day I can draw, the next day I can't. This is what I get for never finishing drawings

>7797875
>7797957
>7797969
All me btw

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>>7797875
In defence of anon, it's not like average Japanese creators are any better.

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>>7797933
mmg can't do better than any of this

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>Young Magazine US contest
>LGBT wokeshit won
Yeah, this is why you don't let westerners get into manga industry.

>>7798003
Even the names sound like parodies

>manga making general
>half the posts are some falseflagging idiot
Yeah, this is why you don't let no-draws into the thread.

>>7798014
bl is a staple of manga. not really woke

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>>7798014
>>7798024
>Young Magazine
>bl
Something doesn't add up here.

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>>7797994
Okay now do better than her.

>>7798014
surprise surprise, top 3 all have asian jeans

>>7797970
jej

>>7798014
Sour grapes nigger. Cope harder.

>>7797982
Doesn't really seem any different from 5 years ago honestly.

>>7797980
>OPM (the actual webcomic) is not being read by the people who use it as an example
Which is too bad since the kino art version completely ruins some of the best characters
>the sudden realization that perfectly recontextualizes Garou's actions at the end is instead replaced by constantly shoving in your face what a great guy he really is
>one of tornado's funniest moments of pettiness is instead replaced by her saying she would never so that
Just god awful stuff

>>7798014
Who chose them for serialization, anon?

>>7797981
Added, thanks.
>>7797995
It's simple, all you've got to do is...damn, I got nothing. Happens to me all the time too.

>>7797875
This is interesting to me, because it's an insight into what readers generally think when it comes to viewing a character independant of it's material versus when you read a story and see that character in their world. What you end up with is mostly characters that aren't super flashy, and many of them don't need to be ace attourney level caricatures. There's a time and place for it. It's the same as if you were to take a mundane panel from any manga. It's not of note looking at it cut away from everything, it's a piece of a story in motion so it just needs to 'fit in' so to speak.

In my personal opinion though, when people say "this design is boring" they are usually projecting very personal bias towards what constitutes "visually interesting", and that bias is accounting for skillful drawings and style, less so literal design. This is how people can stay attached to cute anime clones, because they only need to be cute, the design elements are just extra sauce. You can leverage this though.

>>7797945
You don't make better manga than fujimoto. none of you do.

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Woosh you will deaw pictur

If you don't make a manga, your opinion has zero points of worth itt.

>>7798053
Makes me wonder what people would think of certain popular IPs if they saw the main characters without knowing they're popular.

How detailed do you guys usually do rough drafts? Working on first chapter, I did a quick one first and am now doing a more detailed one, but I'm thinking in the future I'll stick to one rough and keep it simple, maybe only do detail for panels where I need to better understand how something new will look.

>>7798071
>do rough drafts
You mean your storyboard? Cos you're not drawing your actual lineart twice, right?

>>7798075
First one was more storyboard, this second one is more like lineart but that's why I only wanted to do it this way for the first chapter just to make sure I can work off the storyboard relatively efficiently. I figured I'd ask people who are farther along in their manga how they tend to do it.

>>7797957
>>7797875
This isnt a cover, they are just drawing their characters standing there. Basically a school picture, on their own with interesting poses theyd be more interesting, but again they arent trying to be eye catching or to stand out, but to stand together

Also alot of very popular characters have pretty simple designs

>>7798081
Anon, he knows. Just ignore him, it's pretty clear what's happening when someone who usually posts with a trip gets btfo and disappears then some random anon comes into the thread and starts seething at everyone.

>>7798071
stick figures should be enough unless you use the draft to design characters and locations too.

>>7798067
Light is a pretty good example but I can think of more, even Yusuke Urameshi is not special in appearence, he is literally a guy in a green school uniform and a pompadour. They just serve their main idea- milquetoast top grade student, delinquent, etc. You really don't have to go above and beyond all the time (in fact doing that with all characters is a pretty bad idea). There's another thing to consider, that what people typically think good design is just "More Shit" kind of similar to american sushi if you're familiar.

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>>7798113
Stick figures are good enough for cover art too anon

>>7798126
I feel like Zexal is a good example of going too far in the other direction, YGO always had crazy hair but Zexal hair looked way too much like helmets.

>>7798113
I use it to design location concepts but I did do very basic stick figure-ish drawings to start.

>>7797875
>>7797957
It's fine if it's not your niche, but I have terrible art, yet I have fans and receive fanart. No need to hate on all the people here having fun.

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The vibe is correct.

I feel she pulls a little too hard to Snow White, namely the shoulders. Though I do like the German Landsknecht slashed sleeve. It's just blue on red is identical to Disney Snow White.

Also, she needs more "doctor" subtle things. For one, she needs a lantern for lore reasons too. And a pocket watch.

So the design will go through some revisions I think. I like the general vibe of the dress though. And I managed to pinpoint the silhouette and specific elements in the design that are things that would still be present in ways in other outfits, like the white cape.

Overall, I'm fairly satisfied with it as a first draft, but it needs a bit more work. I'll put it aside for now and let it marinate in my mind for a while.

>>7798264
I definitely think it's leaning a bit too hard on the classic disney design. Think you've gotta move away from it somewhat, otherwise you've just drawn "anime disney's snow white drawn by a hentai artist".

>>7798264
>that outfit
You're correct, that's just straight up Disney's Snow White with extra steps. I clicked on your picture prior to reading your post and that was the immediate unmistakable impression I got. The last thing you want is for Disney to somehow get wind of your creation and slam down hard with their lawyers. They stopped a dead child from having a Spiderman gravestone due to claims of copyright infringement, they'll 1000% go after you too. It's not about the money for them, it's about the message.

>>7798264
Honestly I'd mostly just change some of the outfit colors because that's the deadest giveaway

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>>7798272
>>7798268
Yeah, exactly. It's the sleeves. I need to kinda think on it some. The red bow and black hair are perfect, and I really like the color of the dress and the metal ornaments.

But it's not even a question of lawsuits or whatever, it's a question of originality. The inspiration is fine, but it needs to pull further away so she feels more like "Lillian" and less like "Snow White" with the Snow White elements being more like subtle nods. Look at Alice for example, she only has some vague resemblances to Alice Liddell.

The face and silhouette are 100% the right vibe. Slimmer figure than Alice, smaller breasts. Has this sort of cute but dangerous energy to her. Legs are more exposed. Color scheme contrasts well with Alice making her feel like a good opposite. She also wears a Lily on her neck to parallel Alice's Rose on the headdress. So there's some nice motifs building.

I'll think on it some more. It's the right direction though.

>>7798279
I think she needs to be blue, so she's obviously the rival to the "red girl."

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My friend told me if I make a comic using the left side’s style I would be way more popular than using the right side. Is he right or wrong?

>>7798289
Maybe, but you can rearrange the colors instead. Like black or white with blue highlights, or even just changing the way the shoulders are colored so it's not the same sort of blue with red design. Could also look to non-Disney Snow Whites for other inspirations. The design works overall, it's just that if you don't want it to look too much like the Disney one, I'd probably settle for changing the shoulder colors or something at bare minimum.

>>7798327
Left is visually more easily digestible so I'd say yes based on that alone.

>>7798327
I don't know. And why would your friend know? Is he some kind of authority on what gets popular? Is he an expert?

>>7798327
It depends on the story and its tone and atmosphere. For example, for a more serious psychological horror type story or something which heavily emphasizes emotion, mood and a darker atmosphere, left would obviously be a tonal mismatch.

For something that more energetic and expressive, left is superior.

Art style should match the project.

>>7798327
You can mix them my nigga.
Left side for most things, and right side for close up shots

>>7798327
Why is everyone generally so grumpy in your drawn faces regardless of art style?

>>7798352
Nta but have you ever lived for more than 7 years?

>>7798327
>>7798331
>>7798340
>>7798344
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/co/
go back

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>manga making general
Doing ok with my manga. But going too slow. RL keeps low-balling me. Also I'm getting 0 likes per update. I think I'm shadow banned.

>>7798352
lol some of them are smiling, but you’re right. I guess it is just a habit of mine when I doodle to make characters either emotionless or irritated.
>>7798337
He is a consumer or comics

>>7798363
>He is a consumer or comics
I too am a consumer of comics and I say right would be more popular. What a conundrum!

Seriously though, he's making at best an uneducated guess. It's fine to take his feedback into account, but you should pick what you like the most because at the end of the day it doesn't sound like he has any expertise in the subject.

>>7798357
Manga is more than just anime style humans, sorry you had to learn this way. Now you go back >>>/co/, jakey.

>>7798327
what he says >>7798344
it would be dynamic and show your range which would make it more interesting to read.

pretty soon the zoomers who read JJK are going to enter their contrarian phase and start churning out video essays on why its actually not that good.

>>7798403
I dont have an issue with that

>>7798407
oh... okay. I'm not very good at baiting......

>>7798409
Replace JJK with something objectively good and you would have gotten me

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Some new pencils. Penny gravely offends Zagreus, then Zagreus finds a baby earth dragon, aka a gila monster

>>7798422
The first 3 panels look kinda wrong but you have some really good looking expressions in there.

>>7798422
You're getting much more anime omeow-san.
What would Bryan say?

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>>7797369
Hey /mmg/, I have a question for those of you who have been working on a story for a while, kind of like your 3-part magnum opus or just a very large complicated project. Ive been following this 'learn to draw manga' YT channel, and they bring this up repeatedly as a huge mistake to make, specially if its your first time publishing/posting anything. So, whats your approach to making a separate/more compact oneshot manga? Also do you put any time into the this 'logline'? Im in that exact position and kinda still thinking about what to do for a oneshot since I want it to take place in the same world where my main story takes place at.

I have a few ideas but Im still at the fence on which one to go with. To be fair I do a lot of ero doujins which I dont plan to ever put anywhere BUT I could recycle some of those stories and repurpose them for the oneshot, suggestions are welcomed and thanks in advance.

>>7798426
>You're getting much more anime omeow-san.
That's my artistic goal in life. Japan editorsamas would never notice me otherwise.
>>7798424
Thanks
>first 3 panels look wrong
Agree somewhat, was thinking I should redraw panel 1 especially.

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>>7798429
>To be fair I do a lot of ero doujins which I dont plan to ever put anywhere

>>7798429
Just take an idea you think is neat enough to be its own thing and flesh it out a bit

>>7797369
>you're trying to write a compelling story for your comic
>some guy is getting published drawing pages of part time waitresses made of glass telling people their mom likes shiny things

>>7798472
Also it's 1977.

>>7798473
let's not pretend it's harder to get published today

>>7798474
I don't think anybody here has the experience to say either way.

>>7798476
I have the experience of looking up manga releases by year
>I Died And Got Reincarnated Into A Train Where Glass Girls Work Part Time As Waitresses
boom, done

>>7798477
I think you'll find that's an adaptation of a Narou-kei LN and the author is using the adaptation to get experience on the job as an alternative to working as an assistant.

>>7798429
Isn't "logline" just their word for "elevator pitch?"

I've watched some of their videos and even a couple livestreams, but they pretty much literally exist for pre-/beg/s, and what isn't is just advertisement directing you to their paid courses. Though, I suppose there is at least some merit and legitimacy to them, since they actually work with people not only in Japan, but actual published mangaka (and not just literally whos).

>>7798429
This is a little relevant to me because i've been considering working on my next oneshot. Ideally all the context needed to understand it should be right there in the pages, and the end of the story should not leave any hanging questions- this is what it means to make something that is self contained. Also, because the story is short there should be no point where it lingers, everything is always moving forward. There's nothing wrong with adapting a snippet of your story to make something smaller or self contained, but I think very often I notice people trying to use established characters and worlds without knowing how to focus on the bigger picture for the sake of the story. They don't realize we don't have context for those characters, and will keep adding unfamiliar ideas and concepts (that to them you should already know about) and it makes it really confusing or at worst, boring.

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>>7798432
Its not what you think, ok? Hear me out..Im just not used to sharing my lewd scribbles, so its a bit embarrasing but Ill get over it. I mean sure..I turn people I know or knew IRL into characters who are inevitably but consensually led into sexy and borderline funny/awkward situations, but its all pretty vanilla. No lolis, no futa, no furry, no bodily waste sharing antics, just good old hetero stuff. Stop staring at me with those judgemental eyes, Anakin.

>>7798457
Yeah, ultimately this is what it boils down to, just draw the rest of the damn horse already. I may just be able to make a toned down mashup of Claymore, Golden boy and G.L.O.W (the ladies wrasslin kind) work, if not then I have a few other ideas.

>>7798481
It is exactly that, an elevator pitch, at least thats what I gather from the videos. They seem very entry level friendly and having actual pros does give them a lot of credence. Its just perfect for me since I'm just starting out on a more 'serious' tone than just drawing for myself/fun.

>>7798494
It must be self contained, you are right on that but I also think that you should leave just enough room for unanswered questions, only not key questions for the purpose of the oneshot but more about the lore or the expanded world in my case. Thats one of the things I struggle with the most, simplification in a way that keeps everything balanced and interesting. Also paneling.. how the heck do you make a page with 3 to 4 tiers worth of panels not feel overcrowded? I sometimes struggle with 2 tiers/4 panels and they're talking about 6 to 7 panels? I guess it comes with lots of practice and watching a bunch of films too.

>>7798554
This is mostly personal preference, but I'll just say there's a reason most anime and manga only imply a nose with a line or two and some shading rather than outright drawing one most of the time.

>>7798286
>>7798264
I like the disney-esque look. Like a grimdark take on snow white.

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>>7797369
Kirarazaka Jun, the mangaka of the masterpiece Bone Collection, is looking for assistant for his new series in Shonen Jump+.
https://ganmo.jp/posts/detail/30068

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>>7798571
Oh yeah it absolutely is a preference. I mean I could simplify it but the whole thing behind it is getting the resemblance as close as possible or else it doesnt do it for me. This is one of my own gain goblins I must admit and although I do put time into more simplified stylization as with manga or anime, I also spend a huuuge amount of time doing these other things which serve as practice no doubt for things like doing different angles, playing with perspective, gesture even panelling but mainly because I enjoy the dopamine chase of making ero, heh.

You know..on the subject of noses, Ive always liked the way Kawajiri draws them, is this very obvious hellenic/greek inspired type of profile thats basically become his trademark and although its stylized, is also very simplified, I love it. I really want to emulate that without making too obvious.

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>>7798590
These days I still won't believe that WSJ's editors haven't purposely serialized this wrong as a joke.
This is easily the worst opening page of any manga in the history of WSJ.

https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/
nearly 4000 members on patreon (a fair few probably free though)

Honestly alot of the people here have the same level art, or better art than this guy, and hes got a huge audience. I guess as long as its readable people will give it a try.
Do we also think colors a good way to get people to read your comic if your arts not good?

>>7798647
I am curious how he got his comic published by Dark Horse. I was under the impression that they either 1) were open to being hired to making custom comics on your IP's behalf as a service, or 2) were open to working with people on brand new pitches provided you had already assembled a fully fleshed out working team PLUS fully written out story from beginning to end. Not sure how he was able to just submit Gunnerkrigg for publication seemingly as-is as an already done work product.

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>>7798598
big inspo for me, never studied the art just appreciated the cool feel

>>7798660
its pretty interesting
https://www.amazon.com.au/Gunnerkrigg-Court-1-Tom-Siddell/dp/1506742041

This is a published book guys, theres definteily an audinece of people who care more about story than art, although you should always obviously be looking to improve art

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>>7798668
I've done comics before but I never planned one out properly because I just want to have fun drawing and go straight into it, this one wasn't even supposed to be a comic

>>7798647
besides readability, why is it so popular? Simply for good story telling? marketing? should I just start a comic already

>>7798674
probably partly cause it started in 2005, I do see alot of threads about it on /co/, but i get the feeling its just oldheads, before we had full access to manga, and comics online, webcomics were part of the culture

>>7798676
so its just putting in the time, are there successful comics that are fairly recent?

>>7798682
I meant more cause it happened before the explosion of webcomics. I know alot of animetype webcomics do well, I havent seen many western ones do well. By animetype i mean webtoons adjacent. I aint super well versed however

>>7798682
anon.... I'm just gonna say yes so you dont get blackpilled.

>>7798685
western comics webcomics have a bad mark on them and I understand why
>>7798686
blackpilling is how you get no draws

>>7798692
>western comics webcomics have a bad mark on them
All webcomics (in the sense they are made in that kind of webcomic format, not longer form comics that happen to be available on the web) have a bad mark on them barring some very few exceptions.

>>7798647
Gunnerkrigg court
1. has been going for 20ish years
2. has way better art than what you're looking at there. I haven't read it since it went into a lesbo plot that I just wasn't interested in in the mid/early 2010s and it definitely had some nice looking pages.
Also it has a unique atmosphere and took the time to slowly develop its characters. It's not the kind of series that's an explosive hit.

>>7798682
It takes a long time to build an audience on your own. The popular comics people will be using as examples in 10 years are being made right now.

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>>7796722
Sorry. Hard to tell what's a joke and what's serious online nowadays.
>>7797118
Is more fanart alright?
I just made this drawing of a Devil's Moon character around 10=20 minutes ago. Maybe less, most likely more.
I don't know who she is but i like her!
I finished this drawing somewhere around over 7 minutes and 20 seconds.
I made four drawings with this one being the third. I plan on sharing the rest on /co/ in the next HYW thread for the first two and the next WOYA thread for the fourth.
And again i am sorry for the image quality. I really need to learn how to get the angle right when holding up the drawings so i can crop them better.
I hope you guys like it!

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>>7798757
While drawing the fourth drawing the side of the page i drew her on was facing another page so her face got imprinted onto another page.
I know it's hard to see due to the poor image quality but it's there.
I wonder what i will do with it.

>>7797720
Hey wait a minute, are you the guy who told me to draw that Star Wars thing in the WOYA thread?

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>>7798590
>In a world where there are Bad Guys... and special humans who hunt the Bad Guys called... Bad Guy hunters!

>>7797989
Oh now this, this is beautiful. What is it?
>>7798032
Popularity does not equal quality and it does not make one thing better than the other.
>>7798327
Just use your own style man, don't worry about what others want your style to be.
Each creator has their own style to make them unique. If you do what anyone else tells you to, well then it's no longer your style it's theirs, and the audience can tell what's genuinely you and what's fake, especially when it's clear you're doing a style you don't want to do.
But with that being said both of the style you posted are not bad, they're both good and at the end of the day it all depends on you like and want. But if you want to do the right side, do the right side. It's that simple.
And do it for the fun, don't stress out over popularity. That's what i find ruins a creator the most, when they work to get a spotlight instead of giving others joy by sharing their passion. If you go with the left, a style you don't want to do, then there will be no passion in it and people will be able to know.
I hope the best for you Anon. Good luck and good fun.

>>7798757
........ are you the German anon that drew that Goku comic?

>>7798554
You could but I don't think you should. If you make something episodic more like a "snippet" that should be enough in of itself and you don't need to lead people on to think there is more- but you could (things really can just 'end', this is how i've approached it and it works out fine), that's a matter of preference. But what i'm talking about is that the end of the story shouldn't have any loose ends by the time you put it down, it doesn't matter if it's a 15 pager, a 50 pager or 200 page short story, you have to wrap it up.

I'm still a /beg/. I don't want to work professionally in the industry. I don't want to work under constant time constraints and under the breath of editors and publications skewing my perfect vision for a "safer" and more marketable story. I want to work at my own pace. I want to complete my entire story first, have every chapter made beforehand, and then release chapters weekly without having to worry if I will be able to get a chapter out in time or not. I do not want to learn Japanese and I do not want to socialize with anyone in-person. I will post chapters on my own website.

My goal? To have the story become so popular that it gets an animation adaptation, and an incredibly high quality one at that. I want people to discuss my story. I want people to speculate and theorize about all of its mysteries an intriguing aspects. I want people to make memes about my story. I want to see threads on /a/ about my story, glazing it or calling it slop. I want to see shitty YouTube reactions of my story or shitty video essays critiquing it and claiming that it's a flawed masterpiece that are way too long for their own good. I want people to make fan art of my characters. I want to see high effort cosplays of my characters. I want nice figures to be made of my characters. I want to see arcs of my story become movies in theaters and blow up on the internet for weeks.

Today, I will make the first step and start planning out my first story. There are 17 stories I want to tell, some short enough to fit into a single movie, others long enough to make long running shonen series' look minuscule. I will not focus on making the art good as the writing is more important. My stories will be digital only so I will not concern myself with proper physical formatting and which side of the page everything goes on. One day, a professional mangaka will see my story and be fond enough of it to want to bring the world's attention to it.

If ONE can do it, then so can I. I am going to make it.

>>7798554
Are you that anon who did that goblin porn?

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>>7798590
if this terrible shit can get published so can you

>>7798929
This story is generationally awesome and the art in it is better than anyone here can do

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>>7798929
pyw then

>>7798598
Anime peaked with vampire hunter D and it's only gone downhill from there.
>>7798668
I like his little helmet.

>>7799040
>vampire hunter D
Mogged by Satoshi Kon and Chainsaw Man: the Reze arc

>>7798848
No not German. First time i'm ever hearing of this.

>>7798598
Yeah that is a pretty cool style for it

>>7798757
>>7798759
Cool now make a whole manga or fuck off

>>7798671
Hot
>>7798885
Hot

>>7798765
You laugh but some of the best stories are the simple ones

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>>7798878
Nice now do it already or I'll make fun of you forever. Look up art tutorials on youtube too, it may not matter much to you but people still talk about how ONE's paneling is better than Murata's despite the drawings themseleves, with luck your art should at least have some charm to it.

>>7799154
Would you accept one shots?

>>7799176
Stop asking stupid questions and make something already

>>7799171
Who's that guy?

>>7799179
Well OK, i'll at least try, but i warn you, what i have in mind might not make certain people feel good about it...

>>7798327
Shoujo manga is all about the extreme closeups and crazy emotional stuff. A lot of manga's popularity stems from asking yourself when to use which style. When to use shoujo tropes, when to go full chibi, when to imitate Hokuto no Ken until your knuckles bleed.
Westerners tend to stick to one style for everything.

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>drew the pictures
>forgot the dialogue I was going to write

>>7798598
He's really good at drawing creepy stylized faces and expressions that make most of his male characters look like sleazy rapists.

>>7798126
The MCs of shonen i notice often have the most plain and boring character designs, Hunter x Hunter with Gon and Blue Lock with Itsugi just being a normal dude with a bowl cut. Deku also has the most boring character design in MHA. My theory is this is on purpose to make the MC as generic looking character as possible so it's easier for the reader to relate and self insert in to. It's usually the side characters and secondary characters in shonen who have the coolest and most creative designs. Of course it's possible to make the MC too boring looking too.

>>7798885
I love your coloring aecast anon

>>7799241
>so it's easier for the reader to relate and self insert in to
Not just that but I think it's so their coolness feels more earned as they become stronger and more mature over time rather than having them start out cool already.

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>>7799248
Thanks, but I assure you I have no idea what I'm doing haha. I'm just doing this and the next two pages in color to show off the squad in their civilian clothes. A little bit of fanservice and then it's back to black and white.

>>7799163
It has less to do with it being "simple" and moreso that the presentation is really lazy in a way that almost makes it seem like the publication is almost certainly fueled by someone who used their prestige to let their little nephew skip to the front of the line.

>>7799171
It's b8 m8

>>7799313
You fell for my bait and I fell for yours, guess that makes us even.

>>7798929
Ironically, this is the only stuff that's getting serialized because lots of publishers are looking for derivative shit hoping for the next kimitsu no yaiba/jujustu kaisen

>>7799327
>lots of publishers are looking for derivative shit
Achievement Unlocked: The More Things Change...

>>7799327
Attack on Titan was declared a once in a generation level story by the editors who published it

>>7799179
>>7799154
Stop feeding it.

>>7799241
Ichigo and Goku run contrary to your theory.

>>7799241
>Hunter x Hunter with Gon
That's a bad example though, Gon's got a very distinct design.

>>7799327
I can't imagine somebody seriously believing this if they actually read manga. Delusion or ignorance, take your pick.

>>7799412
We seem to have a new surge of /a/ contrarias who have migrated to this thread.

>>7799412
I know your a fucking shit taste enjoyer if you think most of the stuff being put out in the last 5-10 years, especially from the shueisha magazines, isn't shit trying to replicate popular series success.

>>7799422
I know you're a newfag if you didn't realize every piece of media is 80% trend-chasing slop and that it's not some sort of recent phenomenon that only cropped up once you started noticing it.

>>7799409
Yeah there are also badass cool looking MCs like them. I think those types are meant to be inspirational figures instead of reader inserts. Same with Tanjiro from kny. Eren Yeager is meant to be a reader insert

>>7799422
"stuff being put out" is such an insanely wide umbrella. You seem have no idea how wrong you are. Whatever.

>>7799340
Editors are publishers as well or was that a slip up?

>>7799444
Ok, what about Maka, Frieren, Akame, etc...?

>>7799459
What is said wasn't a hard and fast rule- not every series has self insert MCs. Frieren for example is clearly not meant as a reader insert, she's more of an inspirational figure like Goku or Satoru Gojo.

>>7799459
>Maka
Majority of female soul eater readers self insert in to her. Boys insert in to Soul and Shinra in Fire Force.

Luffy, star of a series for little kids, acts like a little kid and has the same haircut every single Japanese elementary school kid has. Luffy is a self insert power fantasy for little kids.

>>7798929
to be fair he did get much better. that panel you posted even looks pretty good.

>>7799454
Both

>>7799425
Who says I just noticed this or think its a new phenomenon? You're shitting yourself over something you supposedly agree with.
>>7799450
>Somehow I'm incredibly wrong
>Can't summarize why I'm wrong in less then 3 sentences
It's not 2012 anymore, you don't have to vehemently defend anime and manga, you can admit it has faults that other mediums have as well.

>>7799499
>>Can't summarize why I'm wrong in less then 3 sentences
Sure I can.
Of course you would think everything is trying to copy the same handful of series if you only read a limited number of works from one or two publishers.
But the manga industry is so much bigger than just your tunnel vision can see. It would be moronic to assume all the publications you've never heard of let alone read anything from are trying to ape a handful of popular shounen manga.

And this
>um it's valid to admit there's faults y'know
is a false dichotomy.. I don't have to agree with your retarded opinion to find flaws in manga, and disagreeing with your retarded opinion does not mean denying any flaws either. I'm not replying to you anymore unless you include an image of your manga so I know you're not just here to argue instead of create.

>>7798770
>Popularity does not equal quality and it does not make one thing better than the other.
/mmg/ is neither popular nor makes anything that would be considered 'quality', yet so many people here keep pointing to people far more successful than them and regularly talk down there efforts.

>>7799503
I was never here to argue in the first place dick head, if your able to read a reply chain, I was replying to someone mad something in a shounen magazine had overused shounen tropes in it.
>Of course you would think everything is trying to copy the same handful of series if you only read a limited number of works from one or two publishers.
Pure projection, I've read a ton from most genres, I don't just read shounen slop, once you read enough, you'll see alot of the same story beats from the ultra popular IPs being used over and over, I'd say yume joshi shoujo shlock is the most egregious. Again, its not 2012 anymore, saying "you didn't read 100 different 300+ chapter manga" isn't a good counter point anymore.
>I'm not replying to you anymore unless you include an image of your manga so I know you're not just here to argue instead of create.
I will never post my work to this schizo board again, it always leads to shit flinging, especially if your anything approaching /int/ and above. Cope and seethe retard.

>>7799475
>>7799471
People will always naturally self-insert into the protagonist of their gender, regardless of how the design looks. The MC always has the advantage of being the "most relatable" more often than not, by the very nature of the narrative focusing on them the most, and giving them the most character development.

This idea that you SHOULD design your MC as generic or that people do so, seems more like confirmation bias, because for every example you brought up (several being downright wrong, like Gon) you have just as many that don't follow that rule.

Likewise, just because people self-insert in the MC doesn't mean the "design is boring so people can self-insert" as, as you can see, people still do that, even with designs that are distinct.

I think this rule moreso applies to protagonists from LNs, who are more often than not written specifically to be surrogates for the readers and the narrative is told through their eyes from a first person perspective.

In fact, with manga characters, I'd say it's the opposite. They often have several things that make them remarkable. See Yugi's hair, puzzle, outfit. Luffy's hat, scar, vest. Naruto's Orange Jumpsuit, whiskers, headband, and blonde hair blue-eyes, etc....

A manga protagonist is more often than not, designed to stand out, with carefully picked elements that communicate who they are visually. As the face of the franchise, they're the single most important design. This is true for even Deku, who you called "boring" but that's just your bias.

>>7799517
>This idea that you SHOULD design your MC as generic or that people do so, seems more like confirmation bias, because for every example you brought up (several being downright wrong, like Gon) you have just as many that don't follow that rule.
But what about the designs of MCs who are deliberately generic, like the MC in Blue Lock? What's the logic behind those type of MCs? Blue Lock has a ton of creative character designs, it was a deliberate choice to make Itsagi look so generic and standard.

>>7799517
>Yugi's hair, puzzle, outfit.
What, you guys don't look like that?

>>7799524
I walk around with my manga hanging around my neck.

>>7799523
The exceptions prove the rule. Think about what Blue Lock is and what it's trying to do as a story. Again, the goal of your MC is to communicate what your manga is like to readers who know nothing about it. And the Blue Lock MC still succeeds at that.

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>>7799534
You're agreeing with my original point- some series deliberately make their MC generic so they're easier for readers to insert in to. Blue Lock's MC is the most generic looking character in the entire manga. He has no particular athletic or technical talent. The point if Blue Lock is it's a self insert fantasy for kids who love football, so they made the MC look as universally generic as possible.

>>7799540
I'm not agreeing you. I disagree with your statement that good manga deliberately design MCs to be generic in order to self insert. That approach is more often than not the minority, and it's only in specific genres. You're nitpicking examples, and many of the examples you gave above like Deku and Gon are flat out incorrect.

Again. Confirmation bias. You're looking for something that isn't there.

>>7799542
I never said all manga do this, you autistic retard. I simply said that some sue, as a deliberate creative choice. It works for some stories and not for others.

>>7799547
>sue
Do

>>7799547
You made it as a sweeping general statement and provided examples that were blatantly incorrect. I'm pointing out your fallacy and clarifying that your observation is the exception, not the rule, and that in general, it's also really bad fucking advice.

Even your more "boring" examples, like Light and Isagi can't really be classified as "generic" or self-insert either, because they have subtle elements that make them district. The correct words would be understated design, and subdued. This is because the designs of the characters aren't meant to feel like real people from our current world, rather than fantastical heroes. But there's a lot of choices that go into them that still makes them feel distinct and memorable. Hell, even more very blatant self-insert characters like Rito or Kyon or Emiya, as STILL designed to feel unique and remarkable in subtle ways.

It all plays into itself like the designs of the uniforms, the shape of the eyes, expressions. If you think design is only about putting a bunch of crap on your characters, and characters without flashy shot or wacky hairstyles on them are "boring" then you know fuck all about character design, and lack the skill to pull off a more subdued character design like say, Ikari Shinji, who is still insanely iconic, despite being "just your average Japanese high school kid."

You see "boring and generic" whereas a good designer is looking at all the fine details and decisions that went into informing his character design. Like how he pulls his pants up high on his waist, tucks his shirt in, the parting of his hair, the shape of his eyes, his expressions, etc....

>>7799553
>aren't meant to feel like real people from our current world, rather than fantastical heroes.
ARE meant to feel like...

20 pages a month, could you do it?

>>7799579
Easy.

>>7799553
Holy shit you're too autistic for words. Why did you feel the need to write an essay misinterpreting what I originally said?

>>7799553
>But there's a lot of choices that go into them that still makes them feel distinct and memorable.
Name them, be specific

>>7799579
Sure, long as I don't have to do anything else and some assistants are doing the backgrounds or something.

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>>7798878
Unironically literally me.

>>7799553
nta, >>7798126 was my post and I want to clarify I was using these as examples that you don't have to make a flashy looking protagonist to make a fitting or iconic design similar to what you were saying here. Posture is one of my favorite things to think about when designing something too.
A pretty big challenge I was given when it came to designing characters for my work is that because they all wear pretty plain modern clothing, I had to think more about how to make those characters stand apart from one another. There's a lot of elements to design than flashy hair or clothes: posture, gesture, what characters choose to wear (I mean "why is also huge, that's what it's all about right? It says a lot about who they are...) I mean how they wear their clothes too. Light's design is plain but perfectly fitting kinda like a snake in the grass, his whole character is meant to be unassuming. Character design is cool and i'm just rambling cause I like talking about it.

>>7798885
cute colors

>>7799510
Well that's wrong.

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>>7799579
Only if I lower my art quality.
Pic related took me 14 hours to draw.

>>7798878
Please tell me you are at least East Asian or pretending to be on Webtoons.

>>7799608
looks gorgeous, nice!

>>7799608
Woah! That's amazing! That's beautiful!

>>7799582
Yes anon. It takes someone with an autistic mind for detail to create good stuff.

If you lack those mental qualities you're ngmi

>>7799608
Think that would take me 14 days and that's being generous

>>7799608
Jesus. I thought I did "ooooooookay" with backgrounds that were detailed enough for a panel but you win, brother. My goodness that is pretty. I presume none of that was converted into lineart via CSP?

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>>7799608
Quick!
Everyone, post your background art!

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>>7799662

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>>7799682
Also a bonus really old one from 2015

>>7799682
>>7799684
Competition ended before it began, damn

>>7799742
Wasn't aware it was a competition...

>>7799747
It wasn't, I just think they're very nicely done. I struggle with perspective so that first one is especially appealing to me.

>>7799682
back when my nigga had soul

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>>7799662
One

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>>7799662
And two.

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You guys know any good "Behind The Scenes" documentaries from popular manga that goes in-depth about the creative process? Even text/interviews are welcome.

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>>7799949
manben
kinda hard to do BTS for manga because it's generally just a dude and the dudes he hired drawing stuff, with too little time to really do much documentation outside the comic itself. so manben basically just crams a camera in behind them in an attempt to record and then provide running commentary over the process. it's not gonna teach you much though if that's what you're hoping for.

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>>7799956
>it's not gonna teach you much though if that's what you're hoping for.
Well, that's what I was hoping for.

>>7799957
These look nice, anon. But do you have a story to go with it?

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>>7799980
haha no. I just made it up as I was drawing, just wanted to draw something cool (finished it last year) with future projects I want to have an actual story

>>7799994
I see. Any socials?

>>7800001
Kman4e4 on twitter and newgrounds

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>>7798014
lgbt wokeshit is kino and based thoughbeit

>>7800026
who are you? blog?

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>>7800034
No

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>>7799772
our nigga dingle still has sovl, what are you saying "back when"?

>>7797979
Its because i was posting here, and now there is a full scale operation to push me off the internet after i exposed state secrets

Sorry, anons. You are just collatteral

>>7797979
there must be a couple of mindbroken artists on this board who see us making manga and discussing manga accessories and feel some type of way.
If you're the owner of a crappy webcomic that nobody reads, then remember you're safe here. We're all gonna make it, maybe.

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I really find it funny that anons will sometime try to make a background artwork/architecture study thread for anons to post their stuff and all of /ic/ can barely scrounge up a single pic to post and talk and yet you go into /mmg/ and ask and you get a treasure chest's worth of artwork immediately dumped onto the requester.

>>7800212
Well to be fair, bg art is a necessity for comics and manga.
You don't need it if youre drawing anime girls in the void.

How do you improve your paneling and/or make dialogue scenes interesting

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>>7800246
You're asking a simple question but it has no simple answer i'm afraid, it's a subject which goes extremely in depth. There's a book called "マンガの原理" that's pretty useful if you can get your hands on it, and then translate the text, then comprehend it.

>>7800246
>How to improve panneling
Study animation storyboards/key art. You'll get a better grasp at what is needed and what isnt and how to lead the eye of the audience
>Dialogue
cut away the fat, assume your audience is smart enough to understand the nuance of a situation without beating them over the head with the message you're trying to tell

>>7799953
Love the transformation

>>7800043
hanameru_ on xitter

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How do I make my comic about a young Hitler viral?

Young Hitler has potential after all as a meme, instagram, TikTok?

>>7799798
He is LITERALLY me.

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>>7800253
Add a Dana to the fray

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>>7800466
You got it hefe

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>>7797369
Hey fellas, I was busy with some unrelated thangs but I managed to finish this storyboard 'draft', could I get some pointers on where am I with the panelwork? I dont think I can do 4 tiers comfortably, the panels become way too small and cluttered. Now the idea is to just copy paste this as the new preliminary layer on a the final page( this one is small, 630 x1042) so I just need to trace it. Also should I just ditch GIMP for something like Medibang? Im already using Krita for colors so I could use that too I suppose. CSP is not my thing, I tried but 8 GB ram toaster does not like it at all, freezes up half the time and feels so mazelike to me, IDK.

>>7798868
Yeah man Ive been putting some more time into that , actually fleshing out the begining, the end and some of the in-between as I feel that'd help me make something without any loose ends by the time Im done, probably by page 100. Man..simplification is hard.

>>7798668
>>7798671
Oh yeah man, the moment I started seeing your stuff around I thought this dude is definitely into Kawajiri, perhaps also yoshinari. I dig your style, is the guy with the helmet like a zoan type or a were-beast type character?

>>7798909
Hmm Im not sure man, you might be thinking of a different anon. I did post in one of them shortstack-goblin threads with some very tanned OCs but thats greenskin territory so I didnt get a whole lot of feedback, I mean not the helpful kind at least heh. I should probably try making some gobbos now that you mention it.

>>7799040
>>7799147
>>7799230
Yeah, Kawajiri is a goddamn misunderstood old God. Its I think the combination of that old cel shading look plus the amount of expression he puts into his designs, faces. Its beautiful and gnarly at the same time , I love it. Not the same style but Ive been looking at some of Koichi Ohata's work, its pretty good too, lighter in a way.

>>7800509
Where is she?

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>>7800204
zamn these are good too!

>>7800592
Thanks Kazuya, good luck getting that 2.4 billion yen back some day.

>>7800204
You posted your manga online yet? Love to take alook
>>7800541 art looks good, i think some people may have negative reactions due to the taste, but the art itself is good.

>>7799953
>>7799955
>>7799957
Pretty sweet reimagining of an average stroll through detroit

>>7800029
PC-88 vibes

>>7800457
I relate to this mysterious unknown artist...
>>7800541
Mostly fine I think, I'd go with a more dynamic angle like maybe diagonal in the last panel in order to show off her body more and it would take up more space.

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How to use screentones in a way that doesn't make your art look pixelated?

>>7800466
>>7800509

add it yourself lol, its looking pretty complete

>>7800717
I DID add her because I'm not a crab like you.

>>7800719
chill out I didn't say in an accusatory way, I meant "add it yourself since that guy was just taking the piss and I want to see her full size and proper, and the entire collab is looking pretty full which is cool"

>>7800425
thanks
>>7800541
those are 2 inspirations for sure, probably a mix of zoan and were-beast
>>7800622
I have nothing smart to say

>>7800724
NO U

Posts in this and the previous thread made me realize that only maybe two /mmg/ anons seem to have done any formal/traditionally oriented comics in color at all (whether just for only a few pages as a little gift to the reader or every page entirely). Are any of you guys also thinking of doing a page or two in color?

>>7800775
I made the grave mistake of going full render maxxing when I first started drawing, so I've been playing catch up with my actual drawing abilities for the last two years or so. It's been a while since trying to do something serious in colour, so if anything it would probably be for a cover when I get around to printing this thing

>>7800717
Ok. I just thought some other anon said they were in charge of designing it so I didn't want to step on any toes.
>>7800724
Anonfren, this anon >>7800719
>>7800752
is not me

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>>7800717
I did it

>>7800817
great now there's 2 of her

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>>7800920
this is amazing! how long did it take you, and what's your comic?

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>>7800775
Did this just a few days ago as prac. First fully digital piece, only ever used CSP to add tones, and add lettering. Tell me what you think + Whats unappealing about my art.

I did this without any references so I could see what my art looked like as a "base", because right now I'm doing alot of studies in trad, to try make my art more appealing/ lines better.

I wanna do a good few short comic strips and oneshots about guys with fantasy girlfriends (dwarven girl like picrel, elf hairdresser, pixie, rabbit, orc, tiefling, etc, etc), so tell me how this reads

(reading it now, its pretty awkward, you can't really tell she's dwarven, but hey, first go, I think I got some better ideas, i sorta decided all of a sudden I wanted to draw digitally, sketched this out quickly, and then drew it)

>>7800817
Did you draw her in there or did you photoshop in an already existing drawing?

>>7801346
The world will never know the truth.

I started to live like a waggie... do a wacom M or L size is worth it? It would take me a whole month to buy one

>>7801406
Personally I like android tablets, can take it anywhere and has a good battery life. There are some decent cheaper ones out there but for the best experience I'd recommend the samsung tab s# line.

>>7801406
My wacom intuos is about 8 years old now and still going strong.

What is the best way to launch a comic if you have 0 followers in 2025?

>>7801610
Have soul. I'm not very good but I got 100 views, some comments and 4 followers on my first chapter.

>>7801619
Where did you upload?

>>7801622
Webtoon. I knew I'd get mogged skillwise on pixiv and I'm not sure of any other comic hosting sites.

>>7801623
Nta but Tapas has similar or better chances at popularity probably but places like ComicFury don't restrict you as much

>>7798014
>godmother in the top 3
actually based
>>7798429
logline is an elevator pitch meant to hook a potential reader, it should give someone an idea of what their looking at before actually reading, why it's interesting and owrth their time, and what sets it apart. as for one shots vs your mango oppus, why not do some short bonus chapters? like at the end of a volume sometimes there's little 4panel strips or a slice of life chapter- it's an easy way to build momentum and can be included in your longer work down the line.

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>>7799994
Man , this pages are fucking dope. The main guy reminds me of something biomechanical, like something out of guyver or genocyber. I hope you end putting it somewhere, would def check it out.

>>7800615
Thanks anon, you're probably right. I'll try a less niche OC next time, I really need the feedback if I want to get anywhere.

>>7800633
you know..Ill probably end up changing that last panel to that exact angle, Im not sure what is it called..semi zenith? high angle? I dont think its birdeye view but itll help fill the panel for sure, thanks for the observation, man. I intended it to be more of an intimate/introspection moment in the shower type of zoom in but it kinda didnt work as I thought.

Well I aint got much to show today, so here's some old random faces practice. Doesnt the guy at bottom look like nic cage in vampires kiss? it was 100% unintended I swear. Alright, time to go back to work, have a productive weekend frens.

>>7801747
Shit, almost missed you there man. Yeah, I think Ill leave that on the table, the sol type bonus strip at the end. Those are specially helpful if you are doing like a generally darker/violent themed story with like barely any comic relief, kinda helps lighten things up a bit. I already started working on a draft for a separate mini for the one-shot, I really need to practice simplification, I need it for my writing and storytelling, the way I choose to portray things, I feel like Im still too text heavy on some things. Last thing I want is to end up for the nth time with 80+ pages, 20 characters, 5 subplots and no idea how to wrap things up. Is that a very common thing?

>>7801026
looks interesting, You can probably simplify a lot of hatching all over to make more cohesive style since this probably looks better in black and white + heavy black tones.
The wooden pieces could use solid shadows instead of hatching for example, especiially since you did it for the shirt.

To make it more clear that she's a dwarf, maybe show her full body when she walks into the room, which means changing the perspective a bit.

>>7800615
Have you? If so, can I see it?

>>7801542
I also like samsung, but i have never use a tablet, are good for drawing? I ask mostly for the pen does it feels like a wacom
>>7801573
Like 6 years with mine, but is a S size, which also got the price up, it cost like 90% more than when i bought it

>>7801942
I don't use wacom and I don't use the s-pen either, it has its advantages but for comfort you're better off with staedtler. I don't think you can go wrong with a Tab S7 at the cheapest, there are other options for portable tablets so look at videos and reviews and stuff to find your best price to performance. S7 is good, S8 or S9 would be pretty much all you'll need in my experience. I'm sure the newer ones are great too but these things get expensive.

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this angle is kinda difficult

>>7801976
flip it

>>7801976
bop it

>>7801026
If she's a dwarf I think her arms should be a bit shorter. Not to be rude but she looks like a tall person in the wrong perspective.

>>7801785
That would work, looking up diagonally from behind could do it too.

>>7800697
Someone posted this in another thread but honest to god there is nothing you can do cause the point of the screentones isnt for digital but the printed page. Manga/Doujins that you see off the bookshelf achieve the look with their screentone cause it blends into the page with the printing process. If you see/read manga online you arent seeing the raw digital file either, you are seeing a version that has been printed and then rescanned for us consumers. If it genuinely bothers you that much try printing the pic you posted onto an actual sheet of paper. That "pixel" look will disappear and you'll see what I mean. If your plan is to post whatever your working on online the best you can do is just save it at like a lower resolution but honestly no one cares, people who even have an inkling of what a manga looks like know what they are in for. No one cares about the pixely look

>>7802045
I care. I think it looks bad. And I thought I was doing something wrong... I'll start experimenting with noise instead since it looks closer to the printed manga look.

how long does it take you to draw and ink a page? I can't measure myself because a hard panel can be a roadblock and take 5x as long as the other panels, which can easily triple or quadruple how long it takes compared to an easy panel. I just draw and draw until I give up and move on to the next page so I have no timeframe.

>>7802202
I don't really time myself, but It takes me probably around 5 hours ish per page, which includes storyboard, a more refined sketch and inking with tones. It all depends on complexity, though. Some pages are simpler, while others have more difficult perspective, more characters etc. so the time varies quite a lot. But on average, around 5 hours.

>>7802202
4-6 hours, about two per stage (sketching, inking, finishing) It sucks feeling like I have a hard limit to how fast I can do things or figure them out.

>>7801947
Thanks anon, i will try too look into it

I might go to prison ( ToT )
My manga dreams will be over.

>>7802518
I'm sure if you behave they'll let you have some pen and paper.

>>7802518
If you set up a pedo crime ring real quick before they take you in, you should be able to get yourself the VIP treatment.

>>7802518
for what? be honest

>>7802518
>>7802789
>( ToT )
Pedophilia likely.

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