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>>7852417Hogarth study
When I was a child, my grandmother's house was always full of women; I felt safe and protected there. This work is an idealized vision of that house. The characters are guided by the main figure, dressed in black and representing my grandmother. She leads her daughters and granddaughters through a Galician mountain devastated by the flames of a fire that will return to their lives repeatedly. Stoic as caryatids, they try to overcome adversity by remaining united.Magic is present through the girl on the left, who, through her right eye, possesses the ability to peer into the "other side." The character accompanying "my grandmother" is a recently wounded woman, still carrying the punishment for having made a bad decision, while the woman peeking out behind them both, silently judging and observing. The young woman in the background looks back to learn from her experiences and return to the same mistakes of the past. The two women on the right exchange rumors.Fire is an element that has several meanings in this painting: transformation, purification, punishment, and celebration. The absence of fingers on some of the hands symbolizes the loss of loved ones. The white dresses signify innocence and light, which will fade over time, giving way to mourning.
>>7852417Some nature studies too. I love drawing trees
>>7852422Beautiful work anon, thanks for sharing the story behind it
>>7852417I don’t really paint much but I liked doing this
>>7852422>>7852428go away, retard
>>7852496???
>>7852500post your own work, the guy that painted that doesn't even post in english
>>7852503I did post my work. The other works are mine lol
>>7852505the other works are shit, nobody cares
This painting reimagines the myth of Icarus not at the moment of flight or fall, but in its quiet aftermath. Washed ashore amid jagged rocks and restless gulls, the figure lies motionless—neither clearly dead nor alive. Inspired by Chantal Delsol’s Icarus Fallen, the work meditates on the fate of the modern individual in the absence of transcendent ideals. Here, Icarus becomes a symbol not of hubris, but of disorientation—stripped of certainty, cast down without clarity, and left in the silence after the descent.The painting invites reflection on what comes after collapse—when heroic narratives fail and we must navigate meaning from the ground up.
>>7852508Okay dude
>>7852422>>7852510im not even interested in whether these are ai, or digital, just stop posting them in the traditional art thread. theyre gay
>>7852630Calm down, newfag, arc salon winners are traditionally posted in these threads.https://www.artrenewal.org/18th-arc-salon#/
>>7852633you seething every year doesn't make it a tradition, fagarc is a meme, nobody cares
>>7852648This world is in turmoil, and we need to look inward to find the strength and the direction toward peace. It begins with our children.
>>7852420Really cool>>7852425Lit trees. Lorax approved, honestlyFiddled this one to absolute death… so angry I didn’t just leave it alone. I’ve got to get better at moving on
>>7852884Thanks anon. The Lorax approved made my day haha Very nice work. Those clouds are amazing. I do think you could benefit from darker darks, especially near the bottom
>>7852884>A Hadolf hitler
>>7852910>clouds mentionedAt last, I can rest. The bottom cloud is an absurd combination of a whole bunch of attempts to fix mistakes. I never should have touched it. It has so much white gouache at this point that I’m amazed it blends in. Here’s where it started, lmao. I could have saved myself 3 hours by making maybe a few detail marks on the mountain and being done
how to clean inside of ink bottle I cant see how far to dip
>>7853106use an inkwell, bottles aren't for dipping into
>>7852884Your warm and cold spots are all over the place. Learn a little bit of theory about light, would help.
Acrylic marker art of some aliens>>7852454Cute! I used to watch Olivia when I was younger
>>7853288Thanks! These are so fucking dope. I’m saving them for character design inspiration. What’s the medium?
>>7853315Lmao ignore this I don’t know how to read
>>7853256I’m devastated. My reference for the mountains sucked with everything overcast, photoshopped and gloomy, so they’re pretty much entirely invented. I think they put like an orange tint over the whole thing.You’re right that I could likely progress by reading more. I’m pretty much just stepping back and deciding what would look “good” over and over. I just bought two tiny 7x10 cotton blocks since it was like $0.50 a sheet. I’ll try practicing.Posting this reference since I don’t paint enough
>>7853348You can't rely on photography too much, when it's not your own. Many photographs are manipulated to oblivion. In such cases it's a good thing to rely on known formulas.
>>7853348become a plein air chad
I have zero artistic talent, but through a mixture of my hatred to a group of people that ruined the only hobby I had and wanting to be better than them and my mother getting cancer, I want to change that.This is my first oil painting that didn't turn out to be abysmal garbage through a mixture of trial and error and despite Tucson being an "art town" I haven't found any art class that isn't either A) an excuse for day drinking B) middle of the day university classes. Also I am not sure the canvas I am using is correct as the canvas sags significantly in the middle, but I am not sure if price wise I am at the point of being able to fork over big bucks for the "professional grade" ones.I have an above average paying job and sure I could probably just buy her a drawing but I want to be by my mother side when I see her on the weekends. I am using just run of the mill Winsor oil paints and I tried going for a Bob Ross painting video which I fear the skill gap is too drastic IE how he uses the brushes / however in the hell he is able to make mountains with the paint knife.Is there a better starting point than just jumping into Bob Ross videos? I know it is called the joy of painting but I am always on edge and it is hard for me to just keep saying "this looks nothing like what he did, but keep going and learn, it has to get better eventually". At the end of the day this is for my mother but also to hopefully helps me do things rather than just watch Youtube all day on my days off.Thank you
>>7853803Not to be pedantic, but you can't become more talented, per definition. But you probably mean, you want just get better.>the canvas sagsThat's not very good. You can stretch it, if the frame allows it, or at least make the back wet and let it dry, which will cause some shrinking of the fabric.>Winsor oil paintsThey are okey, if you like the consistence, use it.>Bob Ross painting videoIts very casual, its very decorative and very formulistic. If you like it, why not.On a somewhat deeper level, you can ask yourself if you really want to paint nature based on very stiff formulas. Or is it better to paint what you see in the nature, or at least from a photo.You trade a universal skill for faster results. By leaning hard into formulas you will be able to paint something that people would like to hang on their wall. If you are okey with that, go on.
>>7853848>make the back wetcanvas, not frame
>>7853848Thank you very much for being honest with me. For what I want to do in the short run is to just be confident enough to paint a landscape and not need to second guess myself with every action. In the downtime since the last post I looked up tutorials for how to properly load the knife with paint for the mountain outline, so I will try again tomorrow- and actually paint outside so I don't need to worry as much about paint thinner and oil going everywhere
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>>7853803the bob ross show is not made to teach you to paint, it's made to let you somewhat replicate what he did with a handful of technical gimmicks in a short amount of time because you're a stay at home mom or a retired zogbot with ptsdit's good for what it sets out to do, but not for what you seem to dothat said, you clearly didn't even attempt to actually follow a video of his, so no shit it's not gonna look good
>>7853926I think the picture should be darker and more upside down, I can still kinda tell it's a skull.
>>7853936
>>7853940My tech fatigue is dangerously high
Hope you like my art
>>7853926Form ain't good, look into Bammes for example.>>7854066I do, i like the flat hard edge style lately. What is it based on? Have you used an air brush? How long did it take with all the masking and so on?P.S. you are guys are obviously retarded, don't worry, many such cases in this thread, let me help you.
>>7854066Woah this looks awesome! It reminds me a lot of Hiroshi Nagai's work. I really like how you did the sky gradient and palm trees
>>7853943Why did you avoid drawing the rest of it?
>>7852417Guys…it’s finally finished
>>7852417
>>7854296samefaging three days later and you guys posted nothing in the meantime. trad is dead !
Lost your marbles? Make some!
>>7853803if you are learning how to oil paint, you could try buying oil painting paper and tape it to a board. your early works might not be worth a canvas each. you might grow out of the paper quickly but it is a cheap way to get 10 or 20 paintings done.
>>7857214Is that Magic Man? What happened to the Violet Clovers? :(
>>7857288Different fellow, I'm afraid.
>make portrait>Know something is wrong but dont know what>If Id see the mistake I wouldnt make it in the first placeSo how to cover my own blind spots? Ask AI?
>>7857370Brack Ohama
>>7858816Whats with these
>>7858909The top one isn’t really in the ref but the one near her cheek is
>>7858909 I touched it up. Still looks mostly the same but it’s a noticeable difference so thanks for pointing it out
>>7857214
>>7853348Happy with this one. Lil 7x10
How fond are you of you rmedium of choice? Did you just fall into it or is there something that draws you to it in particular. I like pastels because they're easy-peasy and light on equipment. They have their flaws which has me glancing elsewhere and it has been interesting seeing all diehards out there for other mediums.
poorfag herejust ordered black velvet #6 round brushis it too big for a watercolor beginner who wants to save as much paper as possible?I don't draw landscape yet I just draw a few small apples and other objects to fill up the whole paper
>>7861302I just kinda ended up on oil paints. It's just the one medium that produces results I like. But I would like to experiment with different medium too, like egg tempera, as a learning experience.Besides oil I also draw a lot with graphite and charcoal. The graphite is more precise and "durable", the charcoal is faster and more flexible, a bit messier too.
>>7852422I thought the absence of fingers symbolised AI use
I am not a baby anymore.. i am not so innocent anymore.. whyim in love now?! I dunno?? How can i live forever i donr know where cna i fisn ehaven? I dornnknownwhu imin love nowHb o eunkoB
>>7862031Some people do have 4 fingers.
>>7861961a 6 is too small if anything, a 10 is the workhorse brush, an 8 is already on the small side>save as much paper as possiblengmi, water becomes exponentially less controllable and more destructive as the surface scales down and paint dries exponentially faster the smaller the areabuy a roll of baohong off of temu or ali (square corner decoration is student grade, squiggly decoration is artist grade, if the picture has a square pattern on the corners of the label, it's student grade regardless of what the chinks wrote)
>>78624004 is plenty
>>7862412don't be a retard
>>7863036We are already 20 days into the new year, nodraw.
>>7863285Jeez, Brian was able to finally make some progress.
>>7863364there's no joke, he has a hateboner for brian so he's insulting him by implying he's worse than you
>>7861961Most people will tell you to get a round brush with one inch length of hair for your main brush. Smaller brushes will skip over paper, need to be reloaded often and likely train you to work with weak, watery paint since they can't deliver thicker paint onto the paper.
Third ever portrait. First time using charcoal. been doing drawing on the right side of the brain. Feedback is appreciated :)
Remnants of An Army (1879) by Elizabeth ButlerDepicts a soldier from the british Bengal Army returning from the great 'retreat from Kabul' in Afghanistan 1842. One of the few survivors. Most soldiers died from exposure and starvation.
>>7864576Vesuvius from Posillipo (1774) by Joseph WrightDepicts the night after the eruption of Vesuvius which caused the destruction of Pompeii, Italy, and the deaths of up to 16000 people.
>>7864576why did the horse not go for a drink from that lake if it is so thirtsy?
>>7864652there was a nigger in it
>Nowadays when purple finds its way even on to party-walls and when India contributes the mud of her rivers and the gore of her snakes and elephants, there is no such thing as high-class painting. Everything in fact was superior in the days when resources were scantier. The reason for this is that, as we said before, it is values of material and not of genius that people are now on the lookout for.>One folly of our generation also in the matter of painting I will not leave out. The Emperor Nero had ordered his portrait to be painted on a colossal scale, on linen 120 ft. high, a thing unknown hitherto; this picture when finished, in the Gardens of Maius, was struck by lightning and destroyed by fire, together with the best part of the Gardens. [52] When a freedman of Nero was giving at Antium a gladiatorial show, the public porticoes were covered with paintings, so we are told, containing life-like portraits of all the gladiators and assistants. This portraiture of gladiators has been the highest interest in art for many generations now; but it was Gaius Terentius Lucanus who began the practice of having pictures made of gladiatorial shows and exhibited in public; in honour of his grandfather who had adopted him he provided thirty pairs of gladiators in the forum for three consecutive days, and exhibited a picture of their matches in the Grove of Diana.the west has fallen
Meow
>>7865523What?
>>7865561>pliny lamenting how art isn't as good as before because of gay indian imports and tasteless richfags wanting newfangled canvas paintings instead of boardwhat do you not understand, you dumb pleb? it's over, the west has fallen
>>7865567Read Spengler NOW.
>>7865569hmmm, no
>>7865571Actually yes.
>>7864461quite promising; keep at it.if you want to progress more efficiently, I'd suggest to draw bigger, to focus on individual facial features, really taking your time to learn how to articulate them thoroughly.work from photos, pieces of art, life, etc.
>>7864461Looks quite nice.What was the reference?
>>7864461Very nice work. Maybe add more shading and forms along the forehead
>>7865533Pt2
>>7863036Thank you. I hope you have fun with the pastels. They're super enjoyable in my opinion. q-tips are fun for fine blending.
I'm losing my mind, is daylight cool or warm? Yesterday I've spent hours looking into this and literally everything came back as sunlight being cool outside of dawn and dusk or very extreme latitudes, today I open up a random video and see this shit as an example of daylight lighting.
>>7867089>I'm losing my mind, is daylight cool or warm?There is no such thing.The shallower the sun arrays are hitting the atmosphere, the more blue light is filtered out. Red light penetrates deeper, due to wave length.So in the morning and in the evening the light is warmer.In summer, the light is warmer.In Nordic countries the light is cooler.If the sky is overcast, the light gets is soft and blue.Shadows outside reflect the sky and are nearly always, if not always, colder.
>>7867194>There is no such thing.I mean there is, but most of the time context is much more important than just the wavelenght of given light.
>>7867194>>7867196Nigga, I'm asking if it's warm or cool, not if it can get warmER or coolER depending on angles and latitude, which I already addressed in the post.Look at the image, daylight is treated as an orange light, but daylight is supposed to be 5k to 6k kelvin, which are both cool
>>7867209Lol, you're such an embarrassing low iq racist. I bet your groyper friends think you are a homosexual, because your hobby is painting.
>>7867221Wrong, I don't even have any friends. Now answer the question.
>>7867230>I don't even have any friendsAm i supposed to feel pity for you?The subject does not look like its outdoor, lit by the sun and the sky.
>>7867239>warm light doesn't look like daylightOk, so I was right, daylight is cool. Thanks, nigger.
>>7867240Sunlight does not have a fall off like in your picture, you little retard. It can be cold or warm on itself, and it can be photographed with different white balance setting, to appear cold or warm on the photography.
>>7867253>It can be cold or warmThat's not what the spectrometer says, stay mad lolAlso, it's "in itself", brownoid.
imagine getting this butthurt over "nigga"
>>7867209warm and cool is all relative and changes from composition to compositiondunno why that other faggot is crying about racism, must be a redditor. black lives splatter.
>>7867271>brownoid>>7867276>niggaEpic troll anon, im triggered.Take screenshots, post it on X, i bet the boys will kek hard!
>>7867328what troll, retard? you literally went full reddit soiranting about racists and groypers over him saying "nigga"
>>7867328go get shot by ICE
>>7867341Thats funny, jokes about murdering innocent people never get old, right? You know who else never get old? Charlie Kirk.
>>7867356>never got old>31brown unc hitting that copium
>>7867400Indeed, 31 is more than old enough for a fascist.
>>7867428>indeedLMAO this nigga thinks hes shakespeare ahahahaha
>>7867440I am Shakespeare, moor
>>7867440Haha, bro you're killing me. Like low reproduction rates killing the white race. Weak sperm, i guess.
>>7867443Is that like shakespeare, japan but for niggers lmoaaaaaa>>7867448>takes a guess>immediately thinks of cumohnonono o is that why you all go gay in prison ahahahaha nah jk if I had to fuck nigger women Id be gay two
>>7867450>if I had to fuck women Id be gay twoDont worry, you can sit in your cuck chair and watch me breeding racism out of your race.
>>7867356i don’t care about charlie kirk even remotely. done with fake abrahamism bullshit.
>>7867455you kiss your cell mate with that mouth?
>>7852417hey guys do you mind
unfinished ink illustration >>7864461nice>>7867829I don't mind
>>7859150Marbleous!
>>7867829How is business going, Brian?
>>7869185slowing down, we'll see what next month is i kind of ran out of ideas for things to sell and how to sell them 2/3rds through the month
>>7869211how'd you get people to buy your stuff
>>7869213a lot of the sales go into a pool of money within ebay that i then spend on advertising, i spend about $50-$75 a day on advertising my listings and store and try to recoup it by the end of the day. last response because these captchas are a nightmare
>>7869214thanks
>>7869214>last response because these captchas are a nightmareits literally a 85iq test
>>7869211nice
That's Brain?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr1p6m44wUs
>>7869513https://youtu.be/QUjklZr6qI0
>>7870049anything is sellable if you're hot enough
>>7870049>is this sellableEverything is, in theory
>>7870049squint at this and compare how flat the value range is to a piece by a renaissance master when you squint at it
>>7870323>muh rEnaIsSanCE>muh vALue RangEBet you thought you sounded real knowledgeable huh NERD
>thEy sQUintED rEAl HArd baCk in tHe rEnaIsSanCE
>dON't yOu kNoW aBOuT THe vALue RangE iN tHE rEnaIsSanCE??
fuck you nerd
fuck you so much
>>7870368There's good value range here, contrarian retard
>>7870451>contrarian retard
>value range
>>7870049Very flat, use visual perspective, less texture far away, combine lights and darks, use a pose for the dragon that shows depth and form better.
>>7870481>anon has to rely on technology, which he doesn't understand, instead of his own eyesit's over bro
> Went to the Sofia Reina to see Juan Uslé> These works are fucking dope> Never cared for Picasso, but might as well see the Guernica while I'm here> Thousands of people died from airstrikes in residential areas> Picasso paints le silly horseWhat a fucking hack
>>7870832Second this, lol, its over for techcels.>>7870834>Juan Uslé>PicassoModernism was mistake.
>>7870368>>7870481what a retarded faggoti will continue creating artworks with a good balance of light and dark values with squinting while you paint 1x1m monstrosities that have zero illusion of depthgood luck selling your art bro
>>7871044>i will continue creating artworkslol imagine posting this itt ahahahaahaha
>>7861302cute snai
If I have a dark pigment thin enough can I get it to act similar to how a multiplier layer works on digital? My values are absurdly weak and I want to make the entire bottom third of my painting a fair bit darker without entirely losing the detail
>>7871384Picrel is what I'm going for (in addition to brightening sky)
>>7871384>If I have a dark pigment thin enough can I get it to act similar to how a multiplier layer works on digital?Yes and no. Overall it will behave similar, in practice physical paint behaves a little bit different. You have an impasto painting, when you glaze the paint will creep into the fold and wrinkles and create dark spots. Not necessary a bad thing, but it will look less "seamless".Most common blues are transparent enough for glazing: ultramarin, phtalo, prussian. Cobalt is opaque, but you can glaze with opaque paint as well, if you know what you do.>in addition to brightening skyThats harder. In oil paint making thing lighter and warmer is way more complicated than making things darker and cooler.
>>7871384>similar to how a multiplier layer works on digitalnot reallyeven assuming a perfectly transparent pigment, which you don't have, multiply affects saturation completely differentlywhat you want to do is glaze each color individually with an appropriate color glaze
>>7871486>>7871525Thanks guys. And yeah I know the sky is a total repaint. Is what it is.I'm letting it dry for a week or two so I can wipe off mistakes but I'll try those blues for a glaze. Thanks.
>>7871384Buy some lakes and experiment with it on a canvas pad. Love your work man.
>>7870834I always go there to check out this one
I have so much to learn
Painting thing on wood board is this shit or is this fire
>>7872055>Look at me, look at me! I have a log! I'm so heckin trad and based!I have a log too, you're not special.
>>7872062LOL It's the back of a stamp I carved, I just used it so the flimsy cardboard will stand up I want it.
>>7867829Hey Brian what kind of descriptions/titles do you use to sell your art? Do you come up with artsy names or do you try to hit as many searches as possible?
painted frens OC
>>7873627you can always look at his ebay and see yourself dummy
>>7873659Didn't wanna pry but whats his ebay
I wish I was Brian, but white and good at painting
>>7873721He is ITALIAN for God’s sake, basically a Übermensch, WE WUZ CAESAR AND SHIIIET!
>>7864461NICE
>>7852417Mauricio Anton study
>>7871566Thanks anon, appreciate it
>>7874895Thanks anon!
I don't know if I'm too beg for this thread, but I tried to draw the album cover for Breakfast in America. I actually think the hand holding the plate is way better than the hand-like blobs I usually do so I guess I'm happy if I can pick out some small area of improvement
more work on this guy
>>7876046I feel the good vibes radiating from this
>>7876046wonderful rendering, but a twig near the nuts doesn't feel too good.
>I saw Brian's video about artcels>Put my painting on ebay for sell>No sales yetWAGMA is near, frens, i can feel it in the air!
>>7876381did you call it an impressionistic cubist female figure portrait? that's the trick
>>7876464N-no, how over is it for me?
>>7876475it's not the end of the world, gothic boudoir anime disney girl surrealism sells too
>>7871918I like this
Here is my WIP on a watercolour, been trying to take any step towards colour and completing artworks rather than show off sketches
>>7876502where is it
>>7876503WDYM
>>7876381Exposing yourself is surprisingly challenging, but good on you for taking the first step!
I stole this 'How to Paint' book from an abandoned school, writen by a painter named 'Henry Gasser', and translated to local language.Anyone familiar with the painter?
>>7876381I made a tiktok account and made my grampa pretend to paint, I sell my art as his online. You need to pretend either to be female or old these days otherwise you won't sell anything
>>7876562you didn't post it
>>7877477Can i pretend to be retarded?
Ebay for art is such a Kafkaesque experience.My art get zero traction. You need paid promotions to get traction. But this feature is blocked for my account, because it's new. I have to sell something, to start promoting my art, but i can't without promotion. Dropped the price really low, just to see what happens, but if no one visits my page, no one can see it...
>>7878239What is your selling limit? Try to have about 25 listings, watch them and analyze what’s being paid attention to and try to be as broad as you can about what the listings are, at prices that aren’t too crazy. You can raise the selling limits fairly easily but the website needs to make sure you’re not trying to scam people. eBay does not automatically trust new sellers like Amazon or Etsy because you have to show you’ll deliver packages properly, not damage things, not be an ass, not scam people with fake items or fake listings. You’re not any of those things, most likely, so just go through the process of selling something first. And I’d turn off “best offer” if you can early on (idk if you’re allowed to at the start) but scam accounts prey on new sellers with offers, saying things like I would like to buy this but send a gift card first, base level scam stuff from new accounts that are too hard to delete on eBay’s end. The start is in fact really chaotic, but it’s e-commerce so you have to learn all that stuff through trial and error
>>7878253Thank you for your help, anon.Not sure what the limits are, i have 3 little paintings listed so far. It's old stuff, but i would consider it decorative.At first i listed them for 45 euros, ebay suggested 11, lol. Material cost was very low, so i would be okey with selling them for 15.Yes i can turn off best offer, i got no offers so far anyway.I try to sell something, i will list more paintings tomorrow, but i can't see what i can do to speed thing up.Maybe i should set up an instagram account, to promote my decorative art. But i bet you're fucked with a fresh account over there as well.It seems internet did the whole 1% gets 98% of the pie thing, within 20 years or so.
>>7878284youre thinking about it wrong, in my opinion. yes 1% get 98% of the pie IF you do things the traditional way, which is put 80% of your efforts into social media, advertising on websites that arent ebay, youtube, etc. etc. while you can get 10% of the pie by being someone who ONLY spends their time analyzing ebay as their main source of art sales. the platform rewards working within the platform, using their data, using their analytics, and essentially making them money as a go between for your buyers and you. if you're giving mark zuckerberg a cut, even in mindshare, you won't be rewarded by a different seperate platform
>>7878284not to be mean, but you're pushing your luck with 45 unless the paintings are big and framed given the art ittask yourself how much you'd give for the stuff you see her, realistically >but brianbrian is an american and probably dumps more items on ebay in a week than you have sitting total, it's a different game
Curious if anyone has had success selling anything at local art shows and farmers markets etc. I'm wondering if that's a better route to making a few bucks here and there over playing the internet game.
>>7878385Yeah I drew doodle-like portraits for a couple of bucks along with some girls. We all had our own styles and people would come and pick which style they wanted
>>78783812doomer4meim just saying every new listing, especially new good ones at reasonable prices, increases likelihood of sales exponentially. if you have three great listings, thats great, if you have 50 great listins, even better. if 5 of your 50 listings sell in a month and you replace them with 10 more, and 3 of those are even better, so on and so on
>>7878622I don't think it's doomerism, I'm not saying you can't make a living by selling paintings, I'm saying the art in this thread is not likely to sell for 45 euros just because you dump it on ebay these days when those 45 euros are probably $150 to an american after shipping and taxes, leaving you stuck selling to the european market
>>7878744>$150 to an american after shipping and taxes,Is that Trump's economical master plan at work?
>>7878838I mean, I don't know how tariffs work, but the last time I had to send a document there, I paid almost 100 euros to DHL, so if tariffs are based on total cost (ie including shipping) like most import taxes are, it can skyrocket low value itemsThe american supplies I've been eyeing went up 10% for me in the past month alone
>tfw you realize paper mattersthis is concerning
>>7878861what medium?
>>7878868Origami
>>7878951Cooking isn't art, go back
>>7878958APOLOGIZE TO MY MEATLOAF
>>7878994Onions look undercooked, 2/10.
>>7878848last time i checked few months ago, fine art is exempt from tariffs.shipping art to the US is still fucking expensive though
I should've done the underpainting in payne's grey. This is supposed to be a winter scene...
>>7852417About to finish my underpainting for a Rembrandt study
>>7879147N-Nic Thurman-chama, I-I, gomenasorry. I fairu to watch your video fuury before forrowing arong; I fairu to mix my paints with a spatura; I mixu my corors on the canvas and make mud, not tracking where the corors are or how to mixu them again; I fairu to comprete portraiture tutorirar before trying something so compricated. I fairu you and I hope to wait WAIT THURMAN-CHAMA I'M SENSITIVE THERE AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
you will never be a thread personality
>>7879187I'm reposting stuff that got deleted after some bitch of a moderator deleted all my stuff. It's only two posts pussy you'll be fine
>moderatorgo back, nigger
my paintings are good but i never get compliments and i always get shit on, i feel like you gotta post bad paintings to get good replies, artists are mentally ill fucktards i fucking hate artist niggers (im rather ironic and playing devils advocate dont get offended)
>>7879201>niggerwhat is this? 2013? Get some new funny words, hack.
>>7879213That's not a sign of being good, it's a sign of mediocrity. Low tier work gets arguably more praise and attention than good work, but the latter still gets plenty of attention, it's the middle that nobody cares about and the average permabeg on this board can't get an ego boost out of flexing his theoretical knowledge thinly veiled as helping because its skill level is just out of reach.
holy FUCK is gouache overpriced? I know solid art supplies are never gonna be dirt cheap but 55USD for 12 5ml tubes seems insane. In a shibasaki video he talks about getting that exact set for like $20 but the video is 4 years old. Are other mediums this bad? I know oil has a high initial startup but tubes last multiple years.
>>7879213>niggersJust a racist Chud, that wants to be loved...
G-g-guys, i-i don't feel so good
>>7879333gouache isn't that bad, half the painting will be white anyway, try holbein>shibasakidumb meme channel, but also, japanese supplies are dirt cheap in japan in general
>>7879333>holy FUCK is gouache overpriced?What are you implying? Those are the market prices and the market is always right.
>>7879459you're on the wrong bord, you useless bot
>>7879489it's some tourist who already sperged out over an anon saying nigga earlier in the thread, just gotta wait til he's bored and fucks off
>>7879142Don't worry about it.Having a warm underpainting to a cool overpainting can actually balance your painting out in, having it all cool runs the risk of the work looking chalky.Let's just say it's not the end of the world and can actually look good if you go cool over warm.
Bird WIP. I think 45 minutes is the max I can focus on at art a time until I start making really dumb mistakes like forgetting to wipe the pen tip or jumping around to different parts of the drawing haphazardly. Do people find their focus grows or do you just find more focus intensive things to attempt as you improve so you always end up expending focus at roughly the same rate.
>>7879803just take breaks, it's not rocket science after 5-10 minutes I start obsessing about the work again and go back to working
>>7879803Sounds like you just aren't used to spend so much time on something mechanical like that. Serious works can take hundreds of hours of mind numbing routine
>>7879803Too much tiktok in the important years of brain development.
>>7879823>>7879825Gotcha, just kinda shocked at how draining it is when I'm really locked in. I worked full-time throughout a chunk of college and I'd cram physics and calculus problems without taking breaks. Maybe I just don't have to a natural art brain, but it's genuinely more challenging. >>7879831I'm old as fuck. :(
>>7879857at least not above 70 posting on this forum, i wouldve hung myself.
>>7879473The set I was looking at was holbein. The set of 12 5ml tubes. Maybe it's because I live in New Zealand but Winsor and Newton seems cheaper for artist grade.All that being said, I think I'm just gonna try himi gouache to see whether I like the medium. I've heard a lot of mixed things but as long as I remember I'm working with student grade supplies it should be fine.
>>7879862Gouache is cool if you don't use it like watercolor
>>7879862I haven't used himi but I wouldn't recommend getting a first feel of any medium with fringe brands, even if it's actually the best brand ever, you'll be bothered wondering if the hiccups are you or the medium, if a better brand would be less annoying, etcalso, are you sure you're reading it right? a 12 set of 15ml is under 50 euros for me, the 12 set of 5ml is 25either way, don't buy a set if you're new to painting and gouache, buy black and white, see how it feels, then add primaries or go for zorn if you like itholbein is generally considered the best gouache, w&n white is kinda meh, and white is (again) half of what you'll be using
>>7879862>>7879871also, what the other guy said, don't water it down and use the white of the paper, gouache takes just a bit of water out of the tube to get it flowing, it's an opaque medium, mix the color you need with paintyou need a full body of paint on the paper to blend
>>7879871I swear to god that 12 set is around 45 Euros [90NZD] everywhere I checked, except for a site I've never heard of where it seems to be 33NZD.All that being said I was also looking at primary colours but just getting black and white seems like a really good way to dip a toe in. I will take that advice.I do plan on using Gouache for its opaque nature rather than like straight up watercolour. I want something I can layer with.
>>7879862You know it's ai, retard?>>7879871>holbein is generally considered the best gouacheHoradam, they dont cut the colors, its just watercolor with opaque pigments. At least that was the case several years ago.
>>7879894that was always a marketing meme, try cramming gum arabic with transparent pigment until it turns opaque, see where that gets you, they all use opacifiers, the muh pigment thing is legalese (eg chalk is pigment or well we didn't say we meant all colors haha)holbein also says their watercolor is just pigment and gum arabic, if you've ever handled some of the pigment in their paints, you know they're lying through their teeth, daniel smith says primatek is made of rocks and other dumb shit for retards
>>7879894When Gurney contacted manufacturers, literally all of them said they're the good brand that doesn't use opacifiers, unlike all the other brands that are shitty and do use them and probably fart in the tube because they hate you.
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Maybe I'm just bad at painting (I am), but I'm starting to think I've been had and a limited palette actually takes more skill than just painting the colors you actually see
drawig noelle
>>7852417www.artbyluke.com
>>7880307your thread was so shit they started talking about Shakespeare instead
Studya page. Trying to expand outside of just anime girls.
>>7852417Marker Drawing i did
>>7881067Good stuf
Stupid ebay, they shadowbanned my account, so nobody can see what im selling, To change that, i have to sell something and receive 5 stars.Is that a shit test? Do they want me to buy my own shit from an alt account?
>>7882302based schizo
>>7882709Kek
>>7882316Beautiful, love it
>>7882911Thanks, I'm trying to get better with the values
Is buying materials on Amazon a good or bad idea? I genuinely haven't used the website in 5+ years so I have no idea what the quality standard is these days. In particular I'm looking to get a drawing table, some toned paper and a few sets of Microns if I can.
I've posted a realistic portrait on ebay, just to see what happens. Not sure if its random or not. But this one got the most traction so far, some people asked stupid questions even. Still sold nothing though.
>>7882709>schizoIm more of an autist.
>>7882924I can see. I think the shirt could stand to be a lot darker in general. Same with the eyebrows. Eyebrows generally don’t have the type of gradation you showed here, generally 1-2 values, depending on the shape
I've been painting for approximately 4 months. At what point should I try my hand at oil paints? Someone gifted me some but I don't want to waste it in case I should practice acrylic more first
>>7883292Oil is different and to some degree even easier than acrylic. Start now.
>>7883316>to some degree to all degrees imaginablethe sole "difficulty", if we stretch the meaning of word, is needing to dedicate space and time to it, the actual painting is the easiest of any medium, oil is just a superior medium with infinite flexibilitythe only reason I've ever heard given by instructors as to why students should start with gouache or whatever is to force them to do things the hard way to better master the basics
>>7883337
>>7883332Low iq take. It's physically hard to spread oil paint. Its hard to layer wet paint over wet paint. Most expensive medium, most time-consuming, requires a lot of theory. I don't think the gay maga guy is ready for it.
>>7883337>>7883338You know 4chan is 18+?
>>7883359Brother, are you still getting muscle cramps from mixing paint? Literally just do a couple of pull-ups every day, what is wrong with you?
>>7883360I’m drawing these to prepare for a piece I’m making for a preschool, genius
>>7883359>Most expensive mediumDebatable, but I doubt it when I compare Schmincke's oil and gouache prices.>most time-consumingIn terms of time passing between sessions, not in terms of actual work.>requires a lot of theoryIt *requires* the same exact theory as any other paint medium, nobody here is painting like Rembrandt and layering 50 glazes or making tempera underpaintings.>Its hard to layer wet paint over wet paintThat's hard in every single medium because layering a liquid over a liquid is retarded.>It's physically hard to spread oil paintAnon, I...
>>7883364>Literally just do a couple of pull-ups every dayYou don't need no pull ups to be able to paint with watercolors, which proofs my point.
>>7883366not him, but the first one is pretty bad, kids want colors, not 80% of the thing being yellow and grayalso, the eyes are really bad in both, the closed ones are just weird and in the second all but one is weirdly looking down and back, makes it look genuinely autisticwhat's it for?
>>7883316>>7883332Noted. I did hear about the many benefits of it. What I'm most nervous about is my lack of patience, gonna need to start disciplining myself.>>7883359We're on 4chan here. You're gonna see paintings of historical figures you don't like sometimes buddy.Though I never knew Heinrich Himmler was a fan of MAGA (Make All Goyim Annihilated)
>>7883380Functional people don't need it for painting, period, I'm saying (You) specifically are inordinately weak and need to rectify that.
>>7883380>stirring a milkshake is physically difficult >no it isn't >stirring water is easier so it means milkshakes are difficultanon, please
>>7883380Why haven't you been posting anything? Seems like it's been months
>>7883375>DebatableNot really, paints are most expensive, substrate very expensive, you need a lot of expensive tools. You can buy sable watercolor brushes 200 bucks a piece, to make it more expensive, but you can buy sable oil brushes as well.>not in terms of actual workIn therms of all the shit you have to do before and after.>It *requires* the same exact theory as any other paint mediumNo, if you dont understand the fundis you will have a very frustrating experience with oil.>That's hard in every single medium because layering a liquid over a liquid is retarded.Its called alla prima and it would require you to read a book about it, before starting.>Anon, IYou think youre tough? Try to cover a rough, dry canvas with a soft brush using paint straight out of the tube. And if you bought an impasto brand, as a noob you have no idea, you will have fun.
>>7883394>layering wet on wet is alla primaBuddy, alla prima is about not layering, which is what lets you do it in one sitting.>if you dont understand the fundis you will have a very frustrating experience withAny medium, hence them being called fundamentals.>paints are most expensiveThen why is a 15 ml tube of gouache the same price as 35ml of oil?>You think youre toughYeah, I'm pretty tough.
>>7883394you can paint on auto primed cardboard with synthetics without issue
>>7883385>We're on 4chan here.Not your personal safe space.>>7883386Its not about muscles, the concept of spreading oil paint is complicated.>>7883388Every time i play with watercolor, im fascinating how easy it is to spread the paint, it just flows on itself. If you use oils often you dont have it present in your mind all the time, but its still the case.>>7883391Im cg fagging hard. Got obsessed with sai, building my own brushes and so on. It was a mistake to give up cg after the ai shit show, now i have to repay the debts.
>the concept of spreading oil paint is complicatedthe absolute state of this thread
>>7883382I see what you mean, but these are just studies of random google images of Jurassic environments for kids. It’s just to help me make my own and get used to drawing an unfamiliar subject, which is dinosaurs in environments. I’m not really terribly concerned about the quality.
>>7883403Here’s the other ref
>>7883403>>7883405study based barron
>>7883397>alla prima is about not layering, which is what lets you do it in one sittingNo, you are wrong. You can paint in one layer, but if paint something realistic, you have to work in layers. Thats actually the hard thing about it. You need to know you medium, paint and brushes to do so.>Then why is a 15 ml tube of gouache the same price as 35ml of oil?Is it? Same pigment? Oil paint has the highest pigment load of all mediums and you usually paint thicker and bigger with it. It should be more expensive on itself and more expensive to over time as well.>Yeah, I'm pretty tough.Talk is cheap.>>7883400Not sure what you mean by that.You can do a lot of stuff with oil, but it requires knowledge and experience.
>>7883407LMAO looked that up an got trumps son. Who the fuck is this
>>7883402It is a very simple sounding yet very complicated matter, in fact, i had to meditate about it for a while. 5 years or so, to be exactly.
>>7883408>cad red deepoil (norma) 35ml for 12.55 or 120ml for 31.62gouache (horadam) 15ml for 12.55>talk is cheapSay to me IRL and not online, see what happens.
>>7883407>study based barronI mean he obviously painted the dysfunctional marriage of his parents, right? The blond beauty from an exotic country and a prehistoric monster.
>>7883421>oil (norma)So called professional series.>>7883421>gouache (horadam)And thats a premium series. Equivalent to hodoram would be mussini and not norma. They have a cheaper gouche series as well, its called academy or designer, im not sure.
>>7883424Mussini is a resin paint, you're falling for marketing.But fine, here:>w&n cad redoil 37ml 21.39gouache 14ml 17.37Sorry anon, you're just lower middle class
>>7883424Also, the academy gouache isn't even goauche, it's a polyvinyl alcohol based binder iirc
>>7883431>Mussini is a resin paint, you're falling for marketing.I know, i like them a lot actually, faster drying time and a softer consistency compared to most other brands. Just too overpriced.Schminke does not have other premium non resin oil paints.>37ml>14mlYou would adjust the price for the bottle size, as smaller bottles are always way more expensive per liter.Whatever, there is nothing in gouache that should make them more expensive, you are who is falling for marketing, anon.Mediums, brushes, solvents, varnishes... it all add up to the cost of oil painting, its not only the paint. But i mean, in the end im just shitposting. Oil paint is more expensive but its worth it. I dont think you need training whit another medium befor strat painting with oils. Acrylics are shit, just a waste of time.
>>7883434I dont know what it is, i used it once a while ago, the consistency was disgusting, threw them away.Schminke is shity brand in any way. Nothing more but muh made in germanistan meme.
>>7883445>You would adjust the price for the bottle size, as smaller bottles are always way more expensive per liter.So your idea is that the following 23ml of cad red gouache would cost 4.02? You know, if the tube existed for me to buy in the first place, which it doesn't, rendering the argument moot. It's like saying oil would be dirt cheap if you bought a gallon tube.Gouache is demonstrably more expensive.
>>7883450>Gouache is demonstrably more expensive.Gouache paint may be, Gouache painting is not, and i was talking about the latter, obviously.
>>7883445>Oil paint has the highest pigment load of all mediums>Whatever, there is nothing in gouache that should make them more expensiveOil has a middling pigment capacity, gum arabic has almost double the capacity. Oil is generally formulated up to 46% PVC in high grade paint, gum arabic based gouache goes up to 80%, it's ridiculously pigmented, it just looks less chromatic and/or dark due to the refractive index because the pigment is exposed (again, because the pigment to binder ratio is massive).You said it yourself, you paint more thickly with oil, it'd make no sense for it to have higher pigment density.Acrylic rarely goes up to 25%, for comparison.
I wish I was painting right now.
>>7883460Me neither
>>7883457Not sure what exactly you mean. It depends on pigment how much of it oil can bind, as far as i know the differences are very large. I mean if you mix paint yourself, you can see some pigment do take a lot more oil than others. I dont thinks there is an exact number for oil paint.But i guess for some pigment it would be true, that watercolor medium can take more of it. But i dont think it would be true for tubes, as they are wet. I have never made watercolor myself, but i know you need honey, gummi arabicum and water, so more filler. Oil paint can be 100% oil and powder.So i can see it being true for watercolor pans but tubes, im not convinced.
>>7883466Oil literally physically cannot contain gouache pigment concentration, it's short by like 30% CPVC. You also don't use water technically, you presoak the pigment. Honey is not a necessary ingredient and is itself a binder so it replaces gum arabic, not pigment. Even without knowing this stuff, you can just use your head and consider what happens when you brush oil and gouache out of the tube, gum arabic is a glossy substance (which is why shitty watercolor has a sheen if used too thick), yet it's not visible on dry gauche, it dries matte and leaves pigment exposed to the air, which is why it's less lightfast than oil while having the same pigment. Because the pigment to binder ratio is higher.
>>7883457>gum arabic based gouache goes up to 80%Where do you have this numbers from? 80% pigment, it would be a paste more than paint.
>>7883487That's entirely up to the absorption of the pigment, hence the presoak. It's the same with oil, you can't go for the CPVC with all pigments, some you just gotta add more medium with. Some pigments like Pbr24 you literally can't use out of the tube with a knife because of how thick they are. The difference is that gum arabic, glycerin, animal glue etc have a CPVC in the high 80s to 90s and oil is in the 50s. There's a reason oil is used out of the tube but not gouache.
>>7883496What does presoaking mean? You make the pigment wet and then you count wet pigment as 100% pigment, or what?So, the high pigmentation is true for dried up gouache, you obviously cant paint with without adding water?
>>7883514Anon, you're not equipped to have this discussion, and I don't care much about spoonfeeding you or trying to trying to change your dumb preconceptions. There's a plethora of resources on this shit, you have the terms, go read on your own.
>>7883518Show me the number of 80%to90% pigment, couldn't find it at all.Most sources are speaking about the same pigment concentrations as oil of about 50%.
>>7883514you seem to be thinking of weight for some reason, when pigment density is about volume and wetting out the pigment packs the pigment tighter, increasing pigment density>you obviously cant paint withyou can't paint with dry oil either>>7883523>Show me the number of 80%to90% pigmentnobody said that, thoughbeit, he said pvc
>>7883527So as i thought, its a scam. Wet pigment is counted as 100% pigment. Same shit as with scientific evidence that femoids can run ultramarthons faster.>you can't paint with dry oil eitherThere is no water in oil paint.>nobody said that, thoughbeit, he said pvcSo marketing bullshit, gotcha.
Post paintings, you ninnywags
>>7883528nigga, pigment density is about pigment per volume, not how much the pigment weighs, are you stupid? this is some a ton of feathers vs a ton of hammers tier retardation, if you replaced the oil in the tube with the same volume of lighter oil, would the pigment density change just because the weight ratio changed?
>>7883531You call water addition "pre-wetting" now do the same for oil. Lets call it pre-oiling. And we end up with 100% pigment. Take a fluffy pigment and you will end up with 150% pigment after compression.
>>7883539...you do the same for oil, retard, otherwise you just get a clump of oily pigment with absorptive pigments, it's called oil absorption you're the only one talking about adding waterhow autistic do you need to be to go through these mental gymnastics to make yourself believe oil, a medium applied thickly, is supposed to have higher pigment density than mediums applied thinly?
>>7883541I will not argue semantics with you, i know all your silly tricks.He specifically talked about tubes in the beginning, not pans. 10% gummi arabicum and 90% pigment is not a paint its a powder. Pic related is what gummi arabicum is.
>>7883548nigga, you literally made all that up in your head, there's something genuinely wrong with youhave you actually tried googling these terms and reading up on how paint is made?clearly not, since you didn't know pigment is wetted out for oil too and still seemingly fail to comprehend what density even means
>>7883549Oil is hydrophobic, you cant mix it with water without an emulsifier.
>>7883555you are the only person bringing up water, you absolute fucking schizolast reply, you are mentally ill
I won, as usual, without even knowing the subject.
>>7883375this faggot never used oils lolanyway its only most expensive cause the larger pro art market (due to more demand for oil works) means can support more crazy high end paint lines like holbein vernet or rublev recreations of historical pigment blends
>put down thin layer of cad red gouache>can't see through it>put down thin layer of cad red oil>see through it>oil is more pigment dense???Is it that important to the gypsy that his medium has a higher number? It's a glazing medium, why would it have higher pigment density than the shittiest glazing medium that ever existed?
>chalk milled with oil is very transparent>chalk milled with watercolor medium is opaque>oil paint must have a lot less pigment!No wonder they can treat you all like cattle.
To make it retardproof.Pigment is sold by weight not volume.The only relevant cost factor is the amount of pigment in a volume of paint by weight.A tube of the same size that is packed with pigment more denseley is more expensive.Tubes with oil paints are allway significantly heavier compared to othermediums.Cut all the other bullshit retards, thats the only cost factor that matters.
>>7883669>the people using this thread now are so retarded they don’t know what opacity isaverage non oil user.
also good fucking luck finding lead white acrylic paint you trannies. you will never have the thixotropic master tier paint oil painters use, that one pigment has more depth and skill ceiling than all pigments in any other medium combined. YWNBAOP
>>7883745genuine retardin pigment sales there's only one factor, the pigmentin paint there are multiple factors, the pigment and the binder/medium. each having their own characteristic weight per volume if your tube is 10% pigment 90% oil, it doesn't matter if the pigment in the tube weighs 20g or 20kg, 90% the tube is fucking oil
>>7883874It wasnt retardproof enough.Everything else besides pigment is dirt cheap.The only significant cost factor is the weight of the pigment per volume of paint.Toxicity of a pigment may play a role as well, but thats another topic.
>>7883902The slop machine is against you.What you dont understand is, a tube contains water, you are buying water instead of pigment.>80% pvs in the dry filmYou understand that what im talking about from the beginning.We are talking about paint tubes, not dry powder or block.Look, to make it extra clear. We have a volume of 1 liter. You are buying this liter of paint.The only relevant factor is how much of the same pigment is in this volume, buy weight.It doesnt matter what medium you use.It doesent matter how much water will evaporate afterwards.If you put 500g ultramarin in the first bucket, thats what you paying for.If you put 800g ultramarine in the same bucket, its more.If you put only 300g ultramarine in the bucket, its less.If you put 300g into the bucket, you add 300g of water, plus medium. And afterwords the 300g of water evaporates letting you behind with a higher concentration in the dry film, it doesnt matter.Got it? Its really not that hard.We are LITERALLY arguing per capita. Its the fucking low iq normies dont get per capita all over again. Fuck my ass, bros.
How would you feel if the water in your breakfast evaporates?
>>7883937that's the dry pvc of watercolor, niggawe're talking about gouachegouache is DILUTED out of the tube>It doesnt matter what medium you useit does, because of cpvc, hence acrylic having less pigment than oil, it literally can't bind that amount of pigmentoil can't bind the cpvc of gum arabic>If you put 800g ultramarine in the same bucket, it's more.that's assuming the remaining binder can bind that amount of pigment again, gum arabic > oil > acrylic emulsion >If you put 300g into the bucket, you add 300g of water, plus mediumwater is the mediumgum arabic in paint formulation means gum arabic solution, not powder, you're just confusing yourself
Okey, let me use my school teacher skills here.Bucket 1: 500g oil, 500g pigment, 50% concentration wet500g oil, 500g pigment, 50% concentration dry (oil oxides, evaporation basically 0)Bucket 2:150g Gummi Arabikum, 300g pigment, 450g water, 33% concentration wet150g ga, 300g pigment, 0g water (evaporated), 67%ish concentration dryBucket1: 67% concentration dryBucket2: 50% concentration dryDoesnt matter.What matters is, there is 500g pigment in the first, but only 300g pigment in the second bucket.
So what are you guys paintin'?I hope the weather becomes a little warmer soon, I really want to take my paint box outside again.
>>7883947you're still acting retarded and evidently not readingmass isn't volumepigment volume concentration is about volumeyour "math" literally makes no sense
>>7883946My good, its so fucking tiresome.Look, if you take rice, water and sand. You take a cup, you fill it up with rice. The cup is now full of rice.You can then put a lot more water (per volume) into the same cup full of rice, compared to sand.Okey, does it matter? No. Its only for the amount of rice in the cup. Its the same amount of rice by weight, in both cases. And you buy rice by weight.
>>7883949Lol.>>7883950There is no math.There is only the weight of the pigment.There is nothing more. Come on, are you fucking with me by now?
>>7883947You're wrong, it's actually Bucket 1:500g oil, 500g pigment, 50% concentration wet500g oil, 500g pigment, 50% concentration dry (oil oxides, evaporation basically 0)Bucket 2:500g Gum Arabic solution, 500g pigment, 50% concentration wet100g ga, 500g pigment, 0g water (evaporated), 83%ish concentration dryt. actually makes paint
>>7883962In this case it would be the same, right?Can we agree on that?In this case, the question is, is it just a rule of thumb you use, or do you try to pack as much pigment as physically possible?
>>7883962>You're wrong, it's actuallyThe numbers are of course hypothetical.I sad before, i have never made watercolor. And when i do oil paint i never measure anything, so i dont know the exact numbers.Its about the concept, no the exact proportions.I mean in example 1l weighs 1kg, which is plain water, cad or lead will obviously be a lot denser than water.
>>7883967Depends on the pigment, some need more medium, some less, I just test the paint and add one or the other. If you're making pure gouache without fillers, you 100% need more pigment than you would for oil, though.
>>7883961do two tubes of 30ml, one with 100g of lead and the other 100g of carbon have the same pigment density?does 100g of lead have the same pigment density in 300g of medium 1 and 300g of medium 2 if medium 1 has a volume of 30ml and medium 2 has a volume of 100ml at the given weight?this is genuinely not a difficult concept
My understanding is that most of the cost of paint is labor, packaging and logistics, which is why there's a massive difference in price per volume for different size tubes, because there's virtually no difference in cost to mill the pigment, fill the tube, label it, ship it etc compared to a smaller one and pigments are extremely marked up by the paint manufacturers to scam you into thinking you're paying for "expensive" pigment when it's the same pigment used to paint cars for a fraction of what you pay for it.
>>7883976>do two tubes of 30ml, one with 100g of lead and the other 100g of carbon have the same pigment density?No. What do you compare different pigments with each other for?>does 100g of lead have the same pigment density in 300g of medium 1 and 300g of medium 2 if medium 1 has a volume of 30ml and medium 2 has a volume of 100ml at the given weight?No. And?>this is genuinely not a difficult conceptIt is not, but it has no relevance.You slope machine is all over the place. It seems to have a problem with water. It seems not to count water as part of the paint, because it evaporates afterwards.And assumed this mistake from the beginning, so i specifically talked about tubes not pans.You can run back the conversation and look for yourself.So far the only source for your claim of 80-90% pigment was the screenshot of the slop machine, and it explicitly was talking about dry paint layer.You made this mistake and then decided to start this whole shit show to cover up for your mistake. But i think slowly you realize, that this cover up make you look too retarded.Its the fucking per capita discussion. And you are the seething libtard in this situation.
>>7883983please learn english, you are literally impossible to communicate with
>>7883985What a cheap trick to keep face, haha.
>>7883989nigger, you're constantly deflecting and making shit up that I can't tell whether you actually believenobody at any point but you was talking about pansthe subject is fucking gouache, there are no fucking pansyour "80-90% pigment" is something you made up because you're functionally illiterate and cannot comprehend the concept of pvcyou saw the ai mention the pvc of dry watercolor and latched on to that when the discussion was always about gouache, not fucking watercolor, which is obviously less pigment dense than gouacheyou have multiple people itt explaining that gouache has more pigment than oil and you just deflect to price like we're living in a commie economy and price isn't dictated by supply and demandyou are a mentally ill faggot that I suspect sees this interaction as soul foodgenuinely kill yourself
>>7883996>your "80-90% pigment" is something you made up because you're functionally illiterate and cannot comprehend the concept of pvcGA can bind more pigment compared to oil, okey. But oil is liquid and GA is not, gouache needs water, oil paint does not, therefore you need to provide the numbers for the whole gouache paint medium (inclusive water), not only for GA. Otherwise, there is no way to calculate the amount of pigment in gouache tubes.
You propound the theory, that gouache paint is more concentrated in pigment, compared to oil paint. But you couldn't present evidence for it.Where are you from, your culture of discussion is very poor?
>>7883745>Tubes with oil paints are allway significantly heavier compared to othermediumsFactually wrong, relative density of oil is 30% lower than gouache and watercolor as disclosed by manufacturers Speaking of which>>7884013I'm the original anon you were arguing with, this isn't something that really needs proof beyond having common sense and critical thinking skills, but you can always peruse individual data sheets, though they usually give ranges rather hard numbers. Japanese regulations have the best data sheets, but they're hard to come by.Picrel, oil top, gouache bottom
>>7884064My bad, I just realized I opened the wrong oil sheet.This is mussini on top and horadam on bottom btw
>>7884074Okey, that's at least some data.So its 50 to 75% pigment for gouache and 25 to 75 for oil? By weight or volume?That's a very broad range, and the max value is the same. I mean we can agree thats not quite a proof for gouache containing more pigment, right? But its more than i thought it is, i give you that, Himmler-boi.
>>7884097Again, the relative density of oil paint bottoms out 30% lower, these two things tell us gouache has more pigment as a percentage of the paint weight than oil. The range is broad because they don't want consumers to compare the pigment content, but there's limited wiggle room to fuck with the regulators, so the 25% lower bottom bracket has a reason for being there. That said, the relative weight of oil is 10% higher on the high end for some oils, I'm assuming because of lead being heavy as fuck and not being used in water media.
You guys are still arguing? Have you even painted anything in the meantime?
>>7884108Painting is for latent homosexuals harboring deep seated shame over their lack of control of their bowel movement during toddlerhood, which drives them to develop not just an obsessive compulsion to control their world, thinly veiled as """creativity""" but factually little more than an impotent defense. mechanism manifesting as escapism into a world wholly under their control, but also anal fixation.So no, I did not paint anything.
>>7884110not painting is for blatant homosexuals
>n-no uThis is your brain on paint fumes. Sad.
>>7884106What's the source of data you are talking about?>>7884108I pushed some pixels around.
>>7884118The paint manufacturers themselves, like I said.
>>7884124Why dont you post it here?
>>7884128I did post them. You can literally just go to their websites for most regions, Japan is usually handled by distributors and less public because they're detailed. American ones don't publish anything, the REACH ones are freely available.
>>7884136>>7884128>>7884124>>7884118>>7884112queers
Maybe I won't learn how to paint afterall..
>>7884527Proving again rightoids can't make interesting art.
>>7884531Yeah sorry this amateur portrait sketch is lacking engaging narative about religious trauma and growing up queer in the 2000s. I will try to be more brave and empowering in my next artwork.
>>7884550>Yeah sorryGosh, groypers are such snowflakes.
>>7884558Not a groyper at least get your terms right
>>7884074mussini is garbage though. not even an artist line. need to compare old holland or blockx.
>>7884558hes o9a
>>7884645Its overpriced for sure and its probably not quite as concentrated as OH and MH is, but ive never tested this aspect, desu.But the consistency is very nice i you want to paint straight out of the tube with a softer brush. For some techniques impasto brands like OH can be too stiff. And i like the shiny finish as well.Is there another premium paint with a soft consistency? I mean i understand very high pigment concentration would produce naturaly stiffer paint, but i would bet impasto brands put something into the paint, to make it stiffer. Can be anoying.
>>7884661mussini is cut with damar resin. so pigment concentration is going to be lower than old holland or williamsburg (fuck those antiwhite kikes though)
>>7885153binder replaces binder, not pigment
>>7885153I know it has resin in it. Stiffness does not necessary mean, that pigment load is high. Gamblin is very stiff, but its not very pigmented. Definitely not as pigmented as Mussini.While working with Gamblin or Norma or Rembrandt the difference to a premium paint is clear. Its just not as smooth and vibrant. But Mussini does not feel like that. It may have a bit less pigment, but i do not notice it while painting.For the last couple of years, my biggest inspiration for paint application is R. Schmid, a watch his painting demos once a month at least. He is using Rembrandt most of the time, a soft bodied paint, works better for his style of work, compared to impasto brands. But Rembrand is very oily, Mussini is the way better version of Rembrandt in my opinion.
>>7885185reminds me i found this dvd randomly in a thrift shop, i think its lost media. audio is pretty garbage though. it’s schmid doing portraiture which i havent seen much
>>7885157i’ll replace you
>>7885225Nice, there is one demo of a portraiture on cgpeers, but not this one.
>>7885225Btw, is he painting Danny Trejo?
>>7885238burton silverman paints schmid, then vice versa, followed by schmid painting from imagination (?) and discussing stuff with workshop participantshavent watched all of it, about 1h 40not sure where i can upload it, need to convert it to shrink the filesize first. i totally forgot i had it
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