If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, retards that whine about how hard drawing is or talent debates and instead focus on posted works!>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewNew collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view>WHERE to get study materialsannas-archive.org>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comsketchdaily.netcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>Post Your Work and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.When receiving a critique, try to provide one in return>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
Previous thread >>7873389
Homu study done, source here: https://x.com/ban45601/status/2004558091602612455
Working on a space warping mechanism for interstellar travel. I call it "warp tree". This is still a WIP.
Here is the finished version. Any feedback is appreciated.
I drew something I'm decently proud but there's still a lot I can work on, the background is simplistic and there's a ton of perspective issues. Lines are cleaner than I usually do them but they can still use a lot of work, the pose is pretty damn stiff and shadows are all over the placeim still proud of it though
>>7877511two of my drawigs are in it yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
come hop on https://www.doodletwo.com/ with me /beg/ers
why do the proportions look so off? i thought it was the waist area being too long, but i shortened it and it's still weird.
>>7877517LOOK AT THE BABY
>>7877515You will never be japanese
Sex with bunny boys
>>7877521measure everything by heads, ideal torso is 3 heads long from the top of the neck to the bottom of the crotch, the thigh is 2 heads, same with the the shin down to the heel, arms are 3 heads long including the hands. These are for conventional proportions that mostly work on masculine characters, for women or smaller characters, shorten the legs to 3 & 1/2, arms to 2 1/2 and body the same, and make the head bigger
>>7877520>4k tablet>canvas at 7000x7000 is small fucking poorfags.
>>7877527>west*rn proportionsinto the garbage it goes
[sad news] Local Dumbass Didn't Wait For The Ink to Dryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l69v6SVoE9k&list=RDl69v6SVoE9k&start_radio=1
>>7877527i'll give this a try. do you just eyeball it, or do you/anyone else actually copypaste the character's head alongside the bodyparts? never understood how to do that
even in the /beg/ thread only the best are cherry picked. i'd like to show OP my thanks in a dark alleyway on a lonely night
>>7877505new threadnew canvas
Started 12 months ago, 365 days more or less.Well it's been a journey.Maybe I'll smile again in 2026.
>>7877538You ever draw small titty girls? The way you draw boobs always has a nice sense of weight, I feel like you'd be able to show the perkiness of small tits well too.
>>7877547Please Lizard rape Taimanin style. I will pay
an anime girl a day, keeps the schizos away>>7877538nice tit>>7877547ahh fuck here they come(really nice work, :D)
>>7877551Her friend has relatively small tits, so we'll find out soon
>>7877555ty... monke sama...
>>7877530nigga your precious asian artists are ALL based off of idealized proportions by loomis
Another iteration
>>7877562The proportions are absolutely not based on loomis proportions you humongous retard.
>>7877558np breast sensei <3
>>7877536
>>7877558>>7877567or manga-san <3
a buge
>>7877565everything is based on loomis/bridgeman/whatever you wanna call it, not kazukateriyakikonicchiwaminnagomen-san from hokkaido
loomis skull (japan)feel like the jaw area is kinda long
>>7877598hide course?
>>7877600yeai wrote down like 3 pages of notes of the skull bones that i'm not sure i'll even remember lol
>>7877598based hide believeradd the zygomatic bone and it will look wider
>>7877607yea i see that now. i technically added it but i think i followed too closely to the ref and made it barely noticeable
>>7877607is this from his head course or anatomy course?
>>7877614He also mentions this in the anatomy course too, but more superficiallyThe course on heads is maximum autism where he draws bone by bone at different angles
>>7877619
>>7877450Better than mine, unironically. Mine don't even look like hands but blobs or weird clumps.I need to study the hand anatomy more and draw with varied references. I already downloaded two hand reference packs from the ref thread.
>>7877629Can you crosspost the ref packs?
that fucking stupid frieren head meme made me draw only heads for 3 months and now i can't draw anything but heads when i draw anything else than a head i get angry hating my self thinking about giving up drawing wldwlladlwneed art therapist
>>7877631Sure! Here:>>7877335>>7873131
So how do I become /INT/ tier from here?Like seriously what's the next step?
>>7877647grind till your wrist break
>>7877647Talent
>>7877527'Allo, love. Mighty handsome boy ya got right thar...how big is his cock, son?
>>7877647100 loomis heads100 boxes/cylinders100 hands500 gestures10 pages of bridgmanevery. single. day.
didn't make it into the op ;_;
>>7877687Eh.
What do I do if I'm creatively bankrupt?
>>7877700you steals
>>7877527what is this shit? this is boring...
>>7876690PAGE 3 (FINAL) DONE. Welp, I got this weird shit out of the way, time to go back to the other weird shit, lol.>>7876887>i love her expression on the most right panelThanks monka! I'll do another Monk, damsel in distress story more ahead, I have a few stories about that "theme", this was just a test, lol.>>7877025>i will admit every time i see your drawings a question always comes in my mind, why do you draw the pussy like that? this is out of genuine curiosity, i find your stuff interesting but that is the one thing that stands out to meThanks anon! I just consumed too much hentai, lol. I don't draw stuff in one way but always different, weirder every time, it's all about the fun factor, I'm curious about what would happen if I "max out all the stats" xD>>7877521The first figure looks perfect, amazing work anon.>>7877527I love how you paint your stuff>>7877555This is a nice style, very artistic, great handwriting!>>7877647s..s..senator Armstrong sir...?>>7877672W..what's he gonna do with that p..paddle?>>7877619I like this for some reason, it really gets my attention... lol>>7877535Poor guy... Can he get a break? Please?
Lost my damn job. In this economy of all times. Thankfully, I'm living with my brother, but he wants me to move out; because he's married and they would like their privacy.I can't be too upset; they did take care of me when I was getting my kidney transplantProject 2C -Free Hand Drawing: Six Gesture Drawings
>>7877721Project 2C -Free Hand Drawing: Three Connected-Line Drawings
>>7877723Project 2C -Free Hand Drawing: Five-Minute Burn
>>7877721>>7877723>>7877724Come now this barely qualifies as scribbles. You gotta put in more effort than that
>>7877647post something that you think is isnt and ill tell you
>>7877521>Thighs same size as waist, shpulders smaller than hipsTry shrrinking her lower half and pulling it upwards so thats the new hip.
>>7877534NTA, I'm a beginner who just started a week ago, but so far the two sketches I've made were pretty close in proportion to the 8 heads because I kept it in mind. I sort of eyeballed it, but here are other proportions to keep in mind:>the distance between the top of the shoulder and the elbow is the same as that between the elbow and the metecarpals (the knuckles)>the elbows line up with the navel>the hands reach the mid-thighs or the trochanters of the femur>the knees are midway up from the ground and down from the pelvic bone (the crotch)I myself am surprised at how well it came out on my first attempt, especially because everything looked like shit when drawing boxes. I recommend the Morpho books.In other words, if you know pretty closely where each part of the body should be theoretically, you won't stray too far from their proper place and thus you won't look too out of proportion.Personally your drawing doesn't look that disproportionate to me. If anything, I think the upper body looks too thin and flat. Make it more voluminous (give her tits), and maybe make her head a bit bigger.
rare male figs. doodling in paint>>7877521personally I think it looks perfect, great sketching
>>7877717>W..what's he gonna do with that p..paddle?Asking what the paddle is for gets a paddling.
>>7877527You need to work on faces. You're using style to cover up where you're lacking from a fundamentals standpoint
Critique please. Tried copying by using mostly construction.
>>7877782Here's the ref I used
>>7877751nice
hmhhsrfes
>>7877700just draw whatever, who cares. I haven't had an original thought in years
>>7877792God took this beautiful man from us too soon...
>>7877700Trace someone else's work, change it up a bit, upload it as your own.
>>7877802bruhjokes aside the only way you can trace while not leaving the traces of tracing is when you actually mastered form and line controltracing is like a magic bullet, but headed towards your own head
>>7877505Finished this. Been having a lot of fun with drawing recently desu
Any good recommended books or resources on croquis? I'm not sure what exactly it is but I like the human stylization it has
>>7877725The exercise only gave me 1/2/5 minutes for each. Am I not drawing fast enough to get more details in?
>>7877814MINUTES!?Quickposes gives you intervals in seconds.
>>7877617Where do you find the head course, the only link I can find in the archive give me a file with only one video... I don't know what I'm doing wrong
>>7877579God you are so fucking retarded, go ahead, find a single anime gurl with 3 heads of torso. chop chopLoomis teaches the construction and how to understand them, the loomis proportions are ass ASS
>>7877823
>>7877751really nice
>>7877825You’re a monster.
>>7877824show your therapist the child rape you like to draw
>>7877700Trace On
>>7877817This is the lesson I've been doing, from Keys to Drawing.I've been getting random poses from this website, set to 1/2 minutes as the lesson calls for.https://www.sketchdaily.net/I guess I'll try it again with more detail later, but honestly, after 40 seconds, I'm struggling to get anymore in. I guess that means I'm not fast enough yet.
>>7877840Seeing people do actual courses on drawing is very startling to me still. I thought it was always >throw shit at a wall until it sticksto learn art.
>>7877825Me on the left
>>7877859YWNBATHW
>>7877862retard
>>7877521the arms are too longwrists should stop at the hips
>>7877825AI won
>>7877728I wanna be like Mossa.
>>7877895Everyone wants to be Mossa. There's very few painters who can produce so many quality paintings and make each painting interesting.
>>7877905I do not want to be Mossa.
>>7877907If you had the opportunity to be the next DaVinci you wouldn't take it?
>>7877909No. I have things I want to draw that would not look good in that style.
>>7877905perilfag is a sane person compared with this nightmare shit
>>7877915>t. draws anime girl on white background #1873421159
>>7877848Courses pretty much do that, but they give you a target to start lobbing shit at.
>>7877505I don't understand how to measure with a pencil. am i stupid or should i ignore using fractions like this guy does? I genuinely don't get it.
>>7877840Senseifag could read your pic in less than 2 seconds>>7877905Senseifag could draw this in 5 minutes>>7877926Senseifag measures with his dickThose without supermegaultratalent are FUCKED
>>7877914your mother's penis?
>>7877926I think the pencil is meant to measure angles more than anything else. But relative measurements also would help you out.
>220k follower god tier artists are now larping as permabegs for engagement after the stupid frieren shitOUR CULTURE IS NOT YOUR COSTUME
am i permabeg guys
>>7878002If you don't ditch the Scott Pilgrim style asap then yes.
>>7877992>god tier>tranime
I'm not an artist, but I made and gave this art guess/wannabe education material to someone regarding how the image-size of pupils can change depending on the direction they are facing.Please critique my wannabe teaching material.
Why does this look so fucking uncanny?
>>7878007awesome do more of these
>>7878025the gigantic fucking eyes idk
>>7878025it's tranime
>>7877992maybe they got good by always trying to improve
>>7878025anime eyes with semi realism
>>7878025>anime>why is it so uncanny
>>7878038don't you know this by now?
>>7878043He mindbroke himself and became a studyslave. Sad, but common around here.
>>7878042>retard>dogshit opinion
>>7878054this boi be drawing tranime lmao
>>7878025Recreate it in a 3D modeling program exactly, or with a clay sculpture exactly, or in your mind exactly. And then view it from a different angle.
>>7877926It is used to transfer scale to your working medium, (paper, canvas, cardboard, etc). It's just a very basic and general measurement aid, like, to figure it out where's the middle of the object, face, or figure. What's the size of the head in relation with the rest of the body, or the nose. The ways to use it as a measurement tool are infinite, depending on your method of use.You could add some even spaced marks to you pencil to make it a better measurement tool.>>7878025It looks great>>7878038I love these construction figure collages!>>7878002No you're not. That's a pretty successful cartoon style little piece.>>7877915Thanks! lol>>7877824I'll say it again , You have a very nice sense of fashion>>7877805This is so good, a delightful design, love it>>7877791NICE!>>7877724Very inspiring anon, to have the motivation to throw out scribbles in minutes during such a tough time, keep at it, drawing will make you happy. That environment one is cool, do more of those.
>>7878027But I'm not an artist. It's limited how many of them I could possibly do. Knowledge of mathematics and physics only goes so far.
>>7878058are you gonna draw her getting her head cut off too or is this just guro blueballing?
>>7878043Trying to memorize it, I'm a little better with reference but without it's still pretty bad>>7878058Thanks Peril
>>7878055>retard>unfunny dogshit postsasuga dayo
Been demotivated this week, so I've just been doing chill master studies when I had time. Decided to redo a study I did 6 months ago to motivate me a bit and it definitely worked. If nothing else, my raw draftsmanship has come a long way. Now I've gotta continue construction practice and get out of my comfort zone and learn shading.
unfinished monke village>>7877717np :3i would come too if i was the priest
>>7878077grown man drawing tranime kek
>>7878084Honest question why do you waste your time drawing generic anime girls when those are the first thing AI got 'right'? Why waste time on something so incredibly generic, bland and soulless?
>>7878101retard
>>7878101because anime girls are safe, have mass appeal and are easy to sell just like hot bread
>>7878101Honest question why do you waste your time being a subhuman shitter trying to ruin every place you visit?
>>7878101That is chatgptfag. He was born in the slop, molded by the slop. He still MOGS everyone else here barring senseichad and nihuGOD (30k followers btw)
>>7878084Damn this is some nice draftsmanship. Did you study anything in particular or is it purely a result of grinding your accuracy?
>>7878097i think it's time to suicide already my man, you already wasted too much time and didn't made it.
>>7877505How would you draw foliage from this photo?I struggled to come up with somehing besides random scribbles.
>>7878113He was trained by AIs larping as 20 different tibetan monks. Unironically he started the same as funschizo just doing Peter Han's intro before doing copies all while being mentored by chatgpt showing that you can have the shittiest advice possible and still make it if you are talented enough.
>>7878121>make itmake it where?
Everyone says you should draw from life but holy shit I didn't expect even the basic shapes from life to be this difficult,my freely drawn shapes look way better. trying to measure doesn't really work that well for me either.Its also for evistons beg course
Anyone with experience in 3D? Am trying to climb up the uncanny valley, but also do anatomy somewhat well. It looks really creepy when I define the line between the "moustache" area and the cheek, and trying to give curvature to the 45 degree angle, where the cheek bone protrudes, recesses, then the chin curves outward again some definition. It looks skeletal though, and so I kept the roundiness to the face. Any tips would help
>>7878113It's mostly down to grinding. I've spent basically all my time drawing on linework and form so far. I'd say keeping a narrow focus on what you're studying helps a lot. Over six months, instead of trying to improve at everything marginally, I've tried to improve at a small number of things by a lot.
>>7878129>>>/3/ my friend>>7878025looks good and honestly not very uncanny, but that's just me
Hands. I need to draw hands. Hands... hands...
does this looks too awkward/wrong/stiff? the right arm is really testing me since it's shadowed in the reference + it doesn't have a face on it
>>7878132>all my time drawing on linework and form so farWhat does that even mean?
>>7878025Ok i lessened the animu eyes. Better?
>>7878126I tried to draw a still life with a mug on a flat book. Evistons example looms very 3D, mine sadly doesn't at all I think.Can anyone give advice on why it looks so "flat"?
>>7878146Reduce the animeishness by at least 500%. It should look realistic, like this. Otherwise it’s not art.
>>7878155what about you posting your actual non-anime work?
>>7878146>>7878155dogshit
>>7878114this only fuels me>>7878140can you show me the ref?also i think the stomach area is a tad too short
This painting shit is frying my ass. 40 minutes study.
>>7878146That does fit way better.
>>7878145Maybe I worded that wrong. I meant that I've mostly done lineart when I draw, and try to make make the 3D forms clear with just lines alone (lineweight, how they overlap). It's less for me to focus on for as a beginner, and I don't like it when a drawing looks really flat without shadows or highlights.
permabeg here, been doing art for 18 yearsDone with pencil and crayon. I know that it is bad, so forgive me. How do I master the Gonghi and Baimiao techniques with my limited supplies?
>>7878173Post your work
>>7878129honestly i like it, is it okay to draw
>7878101>Honest question why do you waste your time drawing generic anime girls when those are the first thing AI got 'right'? Why waste time on something so incredibly generic, bland and soulless?
>>7878187The first thing AI got right was detailed painting, not really anime girls. Unrelated though but... how fucked I am if I'm huh... addict to gen anime girls porn and use the released dopamine as a fuel while drawing a quick copy of it after each gen? Haha...
>>7878176I also drew this crane, in case anyone is interested and/or cares.
>>7878192>>7878176Those are some cool birds, anon! I don't think it's bad at all.
>>7878178he will not post any work because he's a deranged nodraw weeb
>>7878194There really are psychos in every single thread, huh.
>>7878191> use the released dopamine as a fuel while drawing a quick copy of it after each gen You have the same IQ as a normienigger, so yeah i guess you are extremely fucked, at least you are not a left brained retard. Do a quick test, prompt around 100 pictures and don't only change the artists/character (front view, nude, naked, collarbone, navel, by (x) , etc) , then quickly inspect them by holding right, you will realize they all look the same. Now go to danbooru and you will realize that 90% of the shit that gets uploaded to the booru are 3DPD/AI copies. People think that there is a fight against AI, AI wonned a long long time ago , the average and below average artist is dead.
>>7878195banger drawing, I like the cone
>>7878101I know you're just a crab, but I'll answer earnestly anyway. I'd like to make animations eventually, so studying animated characters seems like a decent exercise. I guess there's the more ontological interpretation of your question of 'why do anything now that AI can do it?', but I don't really find that all too convincing either. With or without AI, in 150 years almost all evidence of you and the life you lived will be forgotten, at best the dregs of it will be digitally archived in a forgotten corner of the endless landfill of humanity's digital footprint. So why do anything at all?To answer to both of those questions is, I draw cute anime girls because I can and I want to.
>>7878197@Grok is this true?
>>7878200No, he's a slave that needs to be put to work, send him to the gulags.
>>7878146I think it would look better if you used fewer lines to give the face a more delicate appearanceI also added a little volume to the back of my head
>>7878199not the retard, and I'm curious anon did you copy anime pictures to get better? Or did you start with construction right away? I'm having trouble figuring out where to start to draw some cool characters except gesture which I'm kinda starting to get a little bit.
>>7878193Thank you. I draw these for someone that I like. She is the first real friend that I have had since my last friend, who was my best and only friend at the time, committed suicide three years ago. I quit drawing after his death. When I met her, three months ago, I dusted off my sketchbook and looked through it, about 12 years of art in it and then I got back to work.I eventually want to go out with her and date, but, we are both busy people. She likes anime a lot, so I do it often, usually adapting her to an anime of choice, but it is like Andy Warhol and his cans of soup and pads of Brillo. Slight alterations to the art style... Maison Ikkoku, Kimagure Orange Road, Yawara, etc., before I know it one blends into the other and now I keep a spreadsheet, but to her, each one is unique and she cherishes them (her words, not mine). She loved my drawing yesterday in particular.I use pictures for reference, because I have issues with originality and execution in drawing.Would you perhaps make some suggestions of things to draw? I like animals and flowers.Have this, adapted from a picture of an animation cel from Rurouni Kenshin, the hair was changed, as is the bokken (it has been shortened). The robe was simplified. Again, little originality, which is why I like the birds more, it just takes more effort for those. I hope this does not reveal her identity.The others should share more, I wish not to take up too much file space.
>>7878199Does this reek of AI to anyone else? Is this dumb ass nigga also using chatgpt to write?
>>7878217Probably
>>7878214man, having someone to draw for and having that person enjoy what you do is some of the best motivation you can have, I'm happy to hear you found someone that makes you happy, anon :).On what to draw, there's so many cool birds out there I feel like you could draw your entire life and never run out of bird species. Have you tried drawing a Kiwi? More of a ball with a beak than a real bird but still a cool fella.Also whatever this guy is, reminds me of a flamingo in short.
>post a perfectly normal well-made work>say its ugly/unproportional/wrong>everyone starts saying random shit and picking out faults that aren't even thereI'm new here since I started to learn a week ago, but is this common? I've seen it multiple times already.
>>7878223it's a problem with the board in general, also alot of autists here just to shitpost try and bring others down. Ignore the trolling and the quality of the thread increases by a ton.
>>7878224Got it, thanks.
>>7878224Why
>>7878223yes. Most replies are shitposting but occasionally you'll get good advice and a redraw. It all depends on how generous the better artists are with their time.
>it's trolling if i don't like itm'fraid Art and Beauty are not subjective
>>7878222Egret or Ibis of some sort. I see egrets frequently where I live, but development has been driving them away, not to mention that there was a wildfire last week. Those are both good suggestions.Someone that I know on-line suggested to draw a tit (her favourite bird). On the one hand, it is not a bad idea, but the name is unfortunate in English (which is not her first language). Seeing the file name, are you from Croatia?
>>7878229I'm from germany actually, I just downloaded the image and didn't change the name haha. Actually I should try drawing some more birds, I tried it a bit a few threads ago but got stuck after the contours, alot of feathers and details can be pretty overwhelming.
>>7878213Most of the time I'm not drawing anime girls, this was just a lower effort and more fun form of study for me. Studies like this, where you're doing pure observational drawing (looking at something and trying to recreate it as accurately as possible) is a good beginner exercise because you need to train yourself to see proportions accurately, but getting really good at observational drawing doesn't really make you good at drawing, it just makes you good at seeing and copying. After that, you need construction and gesture in order to make things look good without references. That's sort of the stage I'm currently working at, where I'm trying to learn to construct full figures in poses that look good without relying on pose references. Take my advice with a grain of salt, but my take on the path a beginner should take: 1. Get decent at observational drawing. (You don't need perspective, construction or gesture to get good at this) 2. Learn perspective + basic primitive construction 3. Learn more complex constructions by drawing them from reference and then from memory. (This is where I am) 4. Learn gesture if your figures are rigid and sad. 5. ???>>7878217>>7878218I don't use AI for anything. I graduated college before AI was a thing, so I actually had to learn how to read and write unlike most retards on the internet today.
>>7878230Kek. I was trained in realism with a focus on birds, fish, trees and flowers, when I took art classes. If you want to get good at drawing birds, start by drawing fish the only difference between scales and feathers is the difference between scalloped and straight lines.Additionally, you want the outline down first. Birds are easy to do with the outline. Small birds are pears, larger birds are more complex. Imagine drawing a squash for waterfowl, crane, peafowl, etc. They are not completely squash shaped, but the top of a squash is like the neck of a waterfowl.I am not sure if this is helpful, but natural forms generally occur in patterns. That is what I was taught. My instructor was very good about breaking down forms. Despite this, I still struggle with a lot of mammals.
>it's rude and offensive if i don't like it
the coomer in me made me copy from scott campbells danger girl today>>7878234any good books or strats you would rec for steps 2-4?
>>7878025It looks good anon and every attempt in the thread to "fix" it ( >>7878146 and ESPECIALLY >>7878212) made it look worse. Please learn when to ignore bad/malicious advice.
>>7878248Nah the smaller eyes one is better. The other "fix" is dogshit and completely changed the style for no reason though.
>>7878244For 2, pick your poison. I'm not a fan of Drawabox, but works for some, but it's very brute force, like memorizing multiplication tables instead of learning how to multiply numbers. I did Krenz's from the resource thread and it was fine. There's a trillion perspective courses out there though, just learn how to draw cubes and circles/ellipses in 1-2-3 point perspective and how they change by moving the vanishing points around, and you're pretty much good to go. 3. Recently I worked through about half of Human Anatomy for Artists by Xiao Weichun. The translation is garbage, but art books are for the pictures anyway. Helped me learn how to construct and draw a skull or head from any angle. Lotta people say good things about Hide's head drawing course as well. The big game changer here for helping me 'learn' a form was to draw it from reference, then draw it from memory, and then finally draw it at arbitrary rotations. Once you can reliably do that, you've learned the form and can move on. 4. Michael Hampton has a good lecture on gesture that I watched, but I'm not really an expert on it.
>>7878155I hate renderfags.
>>7877538continuing from yesterday>>7878248>>7878250>bad/malicious advicewhatever you say begletthat's why I'm going to stop giving feedback
>>7878256alright thanks man
>>7878262What style do you prefer?
Is it better to conform to technical perfection or be more emotional?
>>7878069>are you gonna draw her getting her head cut off too or is this just guro blueballing?Do you really want to see that? I don't want her to die, it gives me such an intense anxiety.. I would have a heart attack drawing that shit. ... I would prefer not to... Please don't make me.. please.. look, I did picrel for you, hopefully it will be enough.... I hope your balls don't explode Ó_Ò..>>7878092>i would come too if i was the priestI know right?.. tough shit>>7878164NICE!!!! Love the ref, love what you did with it!>>7878162LMAO!>>7878192That's absolutely beautiful, thanks for sharing anon>>7878140Looks perfectly fine to me, cool hair!>>7878092Look at those monkeys fixing the roof! I like that!>>7878244Lovely sketches anon!
>>7878265go on, tell me how the following posts: >>7878029, >>7878039, >>7878042, >>7878155 don't fall under the catagory.
>>7878275here >>7878157
>>7878234Render and color theory come after. Finally composition and backgrounds.
>>7878265>that's why I'm going to stop giving feedbackDon't I'm the guy with that made the drawing and I appreciate it.
I'm good
>>7878273Reminds me of the Green Knight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMNwlEF8VDo
>>7878273yeah they be working hard!!>LMAO!XDDD>I know right?.. tough shityeah u get his suffering also i got emotional damage from that drawing>>7878280what the fuck is happening around here
>>7878265Give good feedback next time.
>>7878286redline what is wrong with that
>>7878265>that's why I'm going to stop giving feedbackDon't let them get to you. Your feedback was good, I think your straight dark lines simply clashed with the more scratchy sketch of the hair and it made the image non-uniform, not really your fault.
>>7878273thanks
>>7878285These are the only posts I made in this thread. >>7878025>>7878146>>7878227
>>7878285>what the fuck is happening around heresharty posters arrived
>>7877538>>7878290blog?
>>7878152Don't get discouraged! I pulled this out of of an old portfolio. It's an exercise I did when I took an art class. We laid two pieces of paper on top of each other and tried to accurately draw them. It was hard. The whole class spent over an hour measuring with our pencils and adjusting lines over and over and by the end maybe three or four had gotten it this good. But I'm glad I struggled because it forced me to understand perspective and measuring and how the angles relate better. Don't be scared to take long time doing this on a single drawing. You won't get any line perfect on the first go. But that's part of the process
>>7878293rein1155
>>7878302>rein1155Dude. I swear to god Twitter has you shadow banned. I never get any updates when you upload.
>>7878002You are beg, but you'll only be permabeg if your art still looks like that a year from now.
>>7878312Of course he's shadowbanned. Anyone who posts naked bitches usually gets put down by the algorithm which is why so many artists have a separate NSFW account
>>7878312I suspected thatSo now it's confirmed
>>7878315I'm sorry man. You're unironically one of my favorite artists on /beg/, you've improved a lot over the years.The only way to get any clout is having someone with a big following retweet one of your works. Have no idea how to make that work but some people say Discord art communities helped with outreach. Takes years and some luck thougheverbeit.
>>7878025View is from below but youre not really showing the underside of the chin, which makes it look like he's tucking it in.
>>7878315No idea if it really works, but watch out for those trends people draw a ton of, then do one that’s justtt controversial enough to get attention but not enough to piss too many people off. I feel like that’s gotta get you noticed and blow up more.
>>7878326Looks like a background that you'd see in a PilotRedSun video.
>>7878318>>7878322thanks for the tips, I'll try to shill it on discord and be more active on pixiv, hoping that people on pixiv see my linked twitter acc since I get more views there>>7878326max soul
>>7878271depends on the art you wanna make
>>7878162yes sorry, got distracted. tried redoing it but idk men are hardpinterest 4362930884558719>>7878273thanks chiefi chuckled at that one>>7878265oh man i remember seeing you posting in nikg one time, you and that other anon that kept posting "wish i could draw" were really big inspirations for me. really cute girlsanyway sorry i never have anything insightful to say
made for oc redraw thread>>7878290man this sucks :c>>7878291how unfortunate>>7878333dont sweat it, he looks better now, his torse and the fluidityyeah i also have an easier time drawing women ,
>>7878273>That's absolutely beautiful, thanks for sharing anonThank you, but it is nothing really. You would be surprised how little time it took to make these (the crane took 10 minutes to draw and 18 minutes to colour, the peafowl was 8 minutes to draw and 27 minutes to colour).It also does not help that Chinese is my third language and the first language that I was taught when in school, so my translation could be bad. (Also does not help that my teacher was a Hokkien speaker teaching me Mandarin, which was her third Chinese dialect that she learned).Not that it matters, but in case anyone is curious, my first two languages were English and Russian, worse yet is the fact that I live in America, but the Russian speaking side is the one who was in America for more than one generation, my father is from the U.K, which leads to a lot of confusion.>I can't believe he's not British
>>7877563Should I keep her skirt off or put it on? If I keep it off I'll detail the tummy more than this
I AM FUCKING PERMABEG TRASH.
>>7878343Trash goes into the garbage
>>7878333>oh man i remember seeing you posting in nikg one time, you and that other anon that kept posting "wish i could draw" were really big inspirations for me. really cute girlsHow?
>>7878337i guess its because men are more brute while women can be kept elegant and with curves, like the one you posted. its just more pleasant to the eye>>7878345idk it just looks really nice and cute, i was mesmerized by that one you made with multiple nikke girls. the ziz was really cute
>>7878337like to draw womenthis anon is a man confirmed
>>7878354>that other anon that kept posting "wish i could draw" were really big inspirations forI meant this part.
Rat mobster. Tried to go outside my comfort some and pull up a couple pictures of rats a couple pictures of mobsters and then combine them into my own pose.
>>7878359because i feel the same way as that anon, i wish i could draw tooso i just do it. even if its not what i envision and far from what i want, at least i'm trying. does this makes sense?
>>7878182sure
The book anon gave me looks very good. I still wanna cry though.
>>7878365You arent trying.
>>7878367
>>7878365Some of these looks good
>>7878367don't be rude
>>7878383>>7878386I am not trying to be rude. I just want anon to stop making so many doodles and focusing in getting a single drawing perfect.Grab a hand ref and do it for hours until it looks like you want itto.
>>7878387>getting a single drawing perfectway to waste someone's timedon't listen to him>>7878365you are doing good, keep doing tons of those
>>7878386I tthink Anon is right though. I can't help but feel like I'm not trying enough.>>7878387>until it looks like you want it toThe problem is that I have zero idea what the hell I want to do with hands, or how I want it to looks like. Everywhere I read they say the hands are the most expressive part of body. But once I start looking at them, I feel void. Why?!
>>7878393
>>7878393those look pretty good desumaybe try doing something more personal and emotional
>>7878358im a small woman>>7878354for me its the muscle part, unless i draw chubby/fat men, then im fine>>7878393it takes a whilebut the more you draw them, the more natural it will comealso from one chicken scratcher to the other, try to lessen the habit, it will help you in the long run
don't listen to the spammer, horrible advice
>>7877515Cute design anon.
>>7878333>posting in nikg one timethanks, nikg is the only game general I've seen that people actually like to draw, even if it's just for the memes.I'll try to make more nikkes to share there.
>>7878393Well you see anon, A missile knows where it is because it knows where it isnt.You first need a very concrete and solid goal for what you are trying to do and you need to problem solve to get there.Can you pick a hand drawing of an artist you really really like and copy it? Copy it until it is pixel perfect. Copy it until you can redraw it blind. Copy it until you cant.Drawing is like language. How can you be expected to know the alphabet if you cant write a letter?
Got myself a Huston artbook and am working through the exercises
>>7878415steven huston?
>>7878417Yeah
>>7878401thanks :)
>>7878394There. >>7878395>>7878407>try doing something more personal and emotional>You first need a very concrete and solid goal for what you are trying to do and you need to problem solve to get there.To be sincere, I want to make my hands more cuteish and cartoonish. But once I try to go this path, there are like thousands of ways to do it and none of them seems to fit what I want to at all. So when I go to hands, I just get lost.I'm not even interested in little details of skin too much. The best scenario to me would be if my hands looks like cute gloves instead of having things like nails and wrinkles.
empowered has activated my coomer gene
>>7878424>The best scenario to me would be if my hands looks like cute gloves instead of having things like nails and wrinkles.Something like this I mean.
>>7878428Really nice gestures
>>7878435that's not how perspective works.You need to read a book on perspective. Check youtube. a lot of channels have recommendations.
>>7878424>>7878430then don't do the nails and wrinkles, keep it simple and minimal. you already draw hands really well imodo what that other anon said and copy artists you like until you eventually find your own styleif you want to use real life references, stick mostly with young women because their hands are smaller and softeranyway im very beg and uncertain of many things myself so don't take what i say too seriously
>>7878442You don't get it man. It's supposed to be bad (soul).
>>7878442Good morning
>>7878435This image makes me sick
>>7878449go to a doctor
>>7878424Like I told you. You dont know what you are trying to do because you dont have a clear goal.>I want cute hands!Then find an artist you like and copy their fucking hands, Do you think these are cute? Copy them.
>>7878453>B-b-but they are shit and have shit anatomy!!!!!!!!Yeah, style tends to break the rules for MOE.
>>7878453>Do you think these are cute?Not really.
>>7878455they don't have shit anatomy doe
This faggot whines about hands every second week
>>7877563
How to shade or render?
>>7878471there is a course on shading in video general.
>>7877675
>>7878435The real issue is that the way you have the cars drawn throws everything out of wack. On one side of the road you have a reasonably sized green car but the otherside has cars for munchkins, and they are right across from each other so it fucks everything up.If you wanna keep the small cars you would have to bring the cars that are bigger more towards the viewer in the foreground.Like here in my edit I just duplicated the two carsthat were closest to us and brought those closer to the foreground. Then I took the small munchkin cars on the opposite side of the road and enlarged them slightly so that they are closer in size to the cars that are right across. The illusion comes through more that wayBut you are onto something anon, keep up the work
>>7878481Thanks this truly helps
>>7878482Anon, what that >>7878481 anon said can help to make your piece more visually correct, but that weird out of whack uncanny valley effect is what makes your work so special. It throws your mind down through some tripping slide and that's awesome. That could be your thing, don't get rid of that tripping factor so fast..
>>7878484This is my issue really. I love doing it as it comes to me, but then it boils down to: how accurate am I being, and if so, how much of myself? If you've been here a little bit, I did >>7873671 in the old thread. Been trying to get more variation so I improve somewhat. Thanks for your thoughts.
>>7878442"Correct" perspective is a giant meme anyway. City streets are almost never perfectly flat. Mathematically right perspective looks soulless more often than not
>>7878485Yeah I guessed that was you. Your stuff is special and awesome, a really interesting curiosity. I hope you can find a way to keep that weird visual magic ongoing.
>>7878299Thanks for the advice, anon. Yea it can be hard, but trying to improve on it and getting a little bit better here and there is pretty nice.Do you know why it feels "flat"? I have a feeling it's the perspective of the mug, I think it should be more tilted towards the viewer.
>>7878488How often should we let art ride on soul?
>>7878497Good composition from warped pespective >>>>> correct perspective which mostly results in bland composition
>around 3 yrs since i started drawing>still permaprebegthank you fucking ocd
>>7877895what he has that you dont:texturesdetailcolorinteresting anglesAlso your shit isnt even finished
>>7878492Yes! It's good that you saw that. The book is leaning more towards the viewer than the cup is. Another little thing to remember is that the bottom part of the cup that of further from your eye will be more rounded than the top which will be more squished into an oval shape
day ??? of drawing boxesI bought a pen
>>7878547Pen pics?
>>7878547drawabox?
>>7878547Those are some nice looking cubes, anon, good job!
>>7878547nice boxes, draw some medium and big ones to get practice drawing longer lines too.
I feel like I've improved a lot over the past year, but I realized that I can't actually post a comparison pic because I have zero finished pieces. Everything I do is just half-finished sketches
>>7878573You can compare old and new sketches
Help why am I such dogshit at drawing heads
>>7878596head's shape is good, eyes are weird.
>>7878596the facial features mainly the eyes don't follow the perspective of the head itself
>>7877555Your forms and lines are getting better I think. You ought to try a full body with colors some time, I'd love to see that.And don't fucking call me old ever again you bitch I will end you in real life.
>>7877534just eyeball it, there's also markers for knowing where to base your proportions in perspective, try looking into that as well. >>7877779I don't take advice from no draws who draw 10 things a year lol
>>7878504No. You a faggot or something?
>>7878628that anon ain't lying you're using style to cover up
>>7878460Is this appealing at all? Anywhere that needs specific focus?
What even is this captcha?
>>7878665only face is appealing>>7878669it's a IQ test
>>7878665Armpitpussy stocks are on the rise. Uncover that armpitussy and make it sweaty.>>7878669Gizmoesque.
>>7878665If you fix her t-rex arms this will fetch 4000 likes for sure.
i am about start loomis book series starting with fun with pencil. anyone did it? is it good for beginners?
>>7878681Never done any book, learning to draw from observation was plenty enough for me
>>7878671>>7878680>>7878672Thank you for the feedback :>
>>7878682i feel like i will be left out if i ddint do them
>>7878688If it helps achieve what you want then do it
>>7878629That's the guy who draws shotas getting raped and killed, so yeah.
>>7878691Not shotas, young adults.
>>7878691I’m the guy who draws shotas banging raccoon girls. The guy who draws shotas (or young adults) getting raped and killed thinks I draw gay stuff?
>>7878664>that anonsame guy again lol, draw something for once
>>7878704Style crab is so annoying. Never posts art, no one should listen to them.
>>7878716If you have real talent here, you WILL be picked on by some turbo schizo. Ain't got nothing to do with style or real advice, that guy is just trolling.
>>7878721> If you have real talent here, you WILL be picked on by some turbo schizo.NTA but I’ve had some weirdly obsessed trolls over the years. That explains a lot.
>>7878556>>7878559Thanks>>7878553They’re just these micron fineliners, $12 for 5 on amazon>>7878555No, I’m just drawing random shit. Might start doing a course but I’m too lazy to find a good one
another day another reminder that im never gonna make it
if you think about it, buying a new ipad pro will save me money. I just need to draw ~200 notebook's worth of drawings
>>7878749Why pay an apple tax? Tablets provide benefits outside of money anyways like near infinite brushes and easy access to different colors and correction layers. It isn’t for everyone but if you’re serious about trying to make it a tablet is a good idea.
today's copy study. whenever it's not just a "woman standing" pose and I can't rely on symbols, I struggle. spent a lot of attempts on the top one, the bottom was easier, afterwards>>7878435insane levels of soul again. your art reminds me of vewn and 'the rise of the golden idol' cityscape backgrounds, the same perspective play>>7878415jealous of your line control
>>7878768I think the right leg of the bottom one should be further behind due to perspective. Either that or her torso should be bent to the right to look anatomically proper.>>7878435>>7878768>insane levels of soul againI think so as well. The criticisms of the other anons are true, but his art has a charm of its own, so even if the perspective and sizes are wrong, the art is aesthetic.
>>7878768I thought the right foot of the top one was a futa dick for a moment.
I continue to have "fun" while talented faggots just draw whatever they want.Process: https://youtu.be/RNS9TC7jU_U
>>7877517Is that Cassandra Taylor??? The girl who spread her pussy and posted it online?
>>7878826Ungrateful and untalented vermin like you deserve the be stuck in the fun mines forever. Senseichad only had to draw 10 boxes and now he can draw tesseracts from imagination in any perspective.
>>7878836>UngratefulAnd what should I be grateful for?
>>7878826you chose to do this
>>7878852God gave you hands to toil away with.Talentgods gave you permission to draw.Say thank you.
I think I'm overthinking thisyeah the boxes behind are a bit fucked i'll clean them later
>>7878826>its gods' fault that i dont thinkEnjoy hell!
>>7878836Give your ass to him then
>>7878858It's reserved for senseichad
>>7878826KEKNot to be condescending, but I can see that you aren't even trying. You're drawing circles, but you don't try to make them perfectly circular, just drawing them however it comes. You redraw over them, but your following attempts aren't trying to correct the roughness using the bad circle as frame for a proper circle. Same with the triangles.I just started a week ago and in 1 page you can see the instant improvement, the transition from rough circles and triangles to more proper ones.
>>7878862Look at this talentGOD. Drawing circles is unreachable for untalented swine.
>>7878860That's too bad, senseifag has eyes only for Mademoiselle Perilette
>>7878862>you aren't even tryingI've been doing this shit for a year now.>I just started a week ago and in 1 page you can see the instant improvementIt's good to be talented.
quick little chibi, i missed painting>>7878475awesome style, incredible taste >>7878628i think that might be my favorite drawing of yours so far, i really like that creature
>>7878863>>7878865You guys must be shitposting, lmao.
Oh finally get it, the guy obsessed with talent is gay
>>7878836>still falling for that autistic troll
>>7878875Oi. That’s very antisemitic of you.
talent isn't real skill isn't real feng shui is real everyone organize your rooms to improve its feng shui now
Hello anonymous, haven't been posting but have been drawing daily, even if only for a few minutes some days. Took this pose from a kung fu movie and am pretty happy with the result, but would like advice/critique please
PageTheres something I find very satisfying about greyscale markers.
>>7878899You did good, but I'm sure you're aware of some issues on the stance. The legs need some tweaking, he seems to be sit on something instead of being on a crouching fight stance.Keep at it. you can do the same pose again and again till you get the legs right. Find a good ref for that pose.
>>7878907>I'm sure you're awareI'm still in the hellish limbo that is being aware that there's something wrong with it, but not knowing exactly what. Can you tell me what parts of the legs are making it look like he's sitting instead of crouching please? Like I look at the image and know SOMETHING is wrong with it, but I can't pinpoint what. I know the solution is to just practice more, but I really dislike the feeling of not even being able to tell what's throwing it all off.
>>7878869> awesome style, incredible tasteThanks. Although the fact people think it’s two dudes means something was off with the style.
>>7878920It's called the "Horse Stance". I couldn't find the exact angle of your drawing, wich is quite tricky. I think the "secret" lies on the shin angle, from the front the shin appears to bend passing the knee, but from the side, it clearly goes behind the knee, obviously otherwise you would fall lol. Your pose shows a bit of both angles, that's why it is tricky to draw. That's just my interpretation of your pose with out a proper ref. But you I'm sure you can make it work. I should look into Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee refs, I forgot about that.Anyways I hope it helps.
grim. feeling like the freiren meme>>7878768I will try copying your blocking style next and there is nothing you can do
An attempt was made at morphos simplified forms.Also Morphos simplified forms is probably easier than Xiao Weichun's human antomy, right? I like the designs and drawings in weichun's book more, but morpho is hard as shit already.
fat middle aged armored cat
>>7878967that cat face looks extremely sexual for some reason , am i a furry?
>>7878968You have extremely bad taste. The worst form of anti-talent.
>>7878768holy yumola the blue oneis that actual fingers and faces i see
>>7878943i read the right figure as feminine, but admitelly I had to take a closer look when i saw it at first. as i said before i am very beg, so my advice might be bad; i am sorry if it comes as rude, but as an enthusiast of buff guy/skinny girl, your style and drawing were imediately really pleasant and cute for mei made some blue lines in what i think might help achieve a more feminine shape without breaking your style and everything else. I think her right hand was quite big for her size and in comparision to the other one.Her form also feels rather rigid if this makes sense? introducing more curves and making it more shapely give me the impression of femininity, instead of just being plain lines.one thing i've noticed is that your guy has very extreme proportions (not bad, i really like it), but the girl feels plain in comparision, with just the lines. play more with her shape too, don't be so rigid with it.i hope this is helpful and makes sense, once again i am sory if this comes as rude or anything
>>7878968LOL
>>7878968“Extremely?” WTF is wrong with you? >>7878980Thanks anon. I’ll play with her positioning a little. My main thought when drawing her is always to push a lanky quality so a degree of awkwardness is intentional.
>>7878792>I think the right leg of the bottom one should be further behind due to perspectiveyes, you're right. and her head is too small>>7878977what's a yumola>>7878954but then you'd be copying a copy...
>>7878998>ugh it's not two guys? that's lameGo be a faggot somewhere else, Jew. Is that Soma?
>>7879017That guy has a fetish for forcing his gay pederast shit onto others. He's even posted pictures of his microdick and cut thighs in these threads before. You're best off ignoring him and his shitty scribbles.
>>7878956>>7878956I made an attempt as well. Check it out and tell me what you think.https://files.catbox.moe/3l2urx.jpg
>>7879044How to draw lips that don't look like nigger lips?
>>7879047Anime
im done
>>7879049Thanks
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm practicing with Morpho.Is it normal to end up with Handsome Squidward lookalikes?
>>7879086Post them. Also Morpho's heads are ugly as shit so it's a good idea to try and find some other place to copy them from unless you're into incestuous deformities
>>7879088I'm into incest, just not the outcomes.
>>7878863
>>7879088Here:https://files.catbox.moe/0jxk4p.jpgI'm trying to combine the book's illustrations with references. This is the reference for the bottom one:https://files.catbox.moe/yw5o0d.jpg>Also Morpho's heads are ugly as shit so it's a good idea to try and find some other place to copy them fromWell, luckily I just finished the head section. I'm onto the torso. I also downloaded the book "Anatomy for Sculptors" and it looks great as well.
>>7879100nice!
>>7879100S O U L .You could sell that shit if you made it with oils.
>>7878596>>7878597>>7878607I tried, I think it's better
>>7879112I do think it's better>>7879101I avoided the bottom one looking like a nigger with nigger lips, but now it looks like a monkey. He looks like Putin.How to draw lips of a human?
who here had the more sex
I looked up Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and what the fuck is this? This is fake crab bucket shit to make beginners quit, right? How do you improve this fast in a matter of DAYS?
>>7879121What are you smoking? It's still extremely /beg/.Anyone can draw that right image after a week of dedicated study.
>>7879123What are you smoking? Am I seriously the crazy one? It would take me years to make anything as good as the drawing on the right, I'm stuck making drawings like the left for way longer than it took the guy to improve.
>>7879125>I've spent years drawing maybe a few hours a week>why am I still permabag?Literally ngmi.
>>7879121>>7879125That anon is right. The one on the right is better, but it's still not accurate in anatomy, lighting, perspective.I dare say my sketches here >>7879101 are on the same level as the right drawing. I just have to add more detail and shadows and it would look the same.
>>7879125you are faceblind leleelele
>>7879121That is one of the talented ones. There are examples of other coursegoers getting even better and then there are supermegagigabegs remaining permabeg.Mind you, both Pawell, Doll and PBS swore by this book.
>>7879133you forgot the part where you slurp on senseifag's cock, homie
>>7879118Me
>>7879121You are just looking at the talented examples.
>>7877505teto living like a mexican always made sense to me
>>7879140>Home Depot What year is it?
>>7879088Anon, where are you? I'm waiting for your feedback. >>7879101
had an anon from ic visit and they told me my drawings look way better in real life and I need a scannerlmao I should shoot myselfi don't want to buy a scanner
>>7879154The happy chicken hanging itself KEK
>>7879154Nice hiragana, friend.
>>7879154This post made me incredibly angry
>>7879166>sorry anon maybe you could do done vigorous exercise to help cope with the emotional intensityMaybe you need to stop and think before replying you fucking retard.
Why can't I make a thread from being range banned but I can post here?
>>78791482025. She has a green card she just works like an illegal alien
>>7879149Not much feedback to give. Your faces look somewhat off but that's normal since faces are arguably the hardest part of a person to draw. The top left drawing is very well done though with clearly defined and easily readable shapes. Bottom right face is also pretty good barring the eye sockets being a bit too high and wonky in terms of shape
ink on rough bristol paper
Milton Caniff study, Steve Canyon
>>7879202AI also did an alt take on this trio(Carrot, guy I forget, and Steve.. all on separate planes here)
Im'ma bout to drop some kino..
>>7879197Thanks. You're right.
my uggo original...
>>7879228and the correction
>>7879225Cute reference
>>7879054cool stuff>>7878737>>7878547cute boxes
>>7879234thanks I am a fan of hers and wanted to see how AI would alter it to look more like sprite or box art
>>7879244mostly.
AI torso
>>7877505Second time I've managed to sit down and draw something all year. Hopefully I can start forming a good habit of it but so far shit feels so ass bro's. .>>7879166>kanjiYeah I'm starting to get confident with my Hiragana but so far Katakana and Kanji are kicking my ass.
fucking puke
I'm trying this "box drawing" thjat everyone recommends so I looked up onepoint perspectiveDo these look alright?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DusongbZVsUthis was a 1960s tvshow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnr4ua3uIqE
>>7879252I swear this shit shouldn't be taking an half hour.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
been trying to push myself more
>>7879112>>7878596I too tried to fix it, keep in mind i'm also a beginner.The head size appeared too large for me, the chin should be more in line with the nose and i felt like there was too much space between the eyes.
>>7879296Very nice. I'm surprised there isn't a drawpipi for /end/ yet.
>>7879294what?
Having a hard time making things consistent with the ref. I feel like I reach believable, but not correct.
>>7879296isnt she going to cut those pantsu off?
i found the meaning of life
>>7879308Easy to lose sight of perspective, notice how you changed the angle on the bottom of the sleeve where it should loop around the arm and instead it appears like we're looking straight at it? Top of the sleeve also should loop while it appears flat,looks like a different angle the way it slants.
>>7879318Yeah, I do that a lot. I don’t know what to do about it because it happens with every one of these. Maybe just because it’s timed, where in a less rushed study I’d be trying to measure and setting up at least a sketch before painting. Maybe I need to flip and and step back more often.
>>7879319Establish a grid or a horizontal/vertical line, think of how what you're drawing would fit on the paper and not beyond it, find something on the subject that fits say 1/3rd of the paper then simply measure where it would be on the paper. Looking at negative spaces and just focusing on the bigger sillhouette first instead of details to see if you didn't botch stuff.I think you did a great job especially if its timed.
>>7879325Thanks, I’ll try that next time!
guys is drawing cubes really going to be what turns me into a great artist...i can already draw perpective somewhat okay and im not making architectural plans so i feel like i should just do what i want and that will let me progress but at the same time im scared of softlocking myself by not doing drawing exercises that i think are boring
>>7879312It is boxes.. isn't?
>>7879303I cant draw and I am jealous of people who can.
>>7879337You must be really fucking tired... ain't ya?
>>7878596
>>7879358what race?
>>7879359idk
>>7879044Oh thats nice, anon. I like it.
>>7879001I like it, anon. The outfit makes me feel like he does pop-concerts next to fighting stuff with the swords
>>7879100>>7879122SOUL
>>7879358If I had a coin every time Russia mogged me...
>>7879384I wish a motherfucker could just tell me why
>>7873661PAGE 10 DONE! I don't know about this one, I could do so much better with a different layout and canvas size, it would look totally different. But whatever, I need to finish this shit soon.>>7879235It is figure time for wukong huh, nice posing!>>7879276>>7879282Your stuff is so fucking amazing, I told you once that seeing your stuff here is like looking at a UFO, incredible>>7879330WOW, not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting this one to end up looking this good. You have a weird talent anon. So much potential.>>7879100>>7879341Cool stuff, I see some night city detective noir and blues background music:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZc2BTDsj30>>7878998Oh I see... Beautiful face!>>7878954Beautiful Beautiful>>7878768Can't get enough of your preciously hot figgies
>>7879411I recognize purpleanon and monkey but who is in the middle? Great reference by the way made me chuckle
>>7877782Really solid overall. As for critique the head looks a little flat and a bit too big. It looks like it's angled slightly downward in the ref, but looks more straight-on in your version.
>>7877721I tried the exercise again.Either I'm not good enough to do gesture drawings of the human body, or I'm doing something wrong.I'm about ready to move on anyway though.
>>7877723
>>7877724
how to do creature design like Draw Session guy?
so i read loomis book and it's not very helpful
>>7879441and have you tried to draw or apply anything that you read?
>>7879445i would apply if there anything useful
>>7879330The guys hands are tiny + removed the androgynous soul
>>7879422>>7879423Gesture drawings can be difficult for sure. If you really care about it right now you can look at prokos or hamptons gesture drawing videos, otherwise just keep going with the book
>>7879448Telling on yourself
>anime eyes huge because asians show their emotions from their eyeswhat?
>>7879457pyw so i can trust loomis book
>>7879463I'm still /beg/ no doubt but I've gotten this far with just the first chapter or so with fwap
>>7879464i wanted to read loomis book series just to know why is it so famous. i mean that book is like 90 years old and still famous. that book wispers to me " copy this copy this " i know loomus told not to copy but i have that wisperings.also that book is like touching surface of basic concepts and find others stuffs by your self.
>>7879468Learning a difficult skill requires much more than skimming a book or two? Color me surprised!
>>7879468I personally did a copy of everything but also one of my own drawings using the lesson.
>>7879535Cool design, the colors really do add alot.
>>7879363nice
>>7879411>You have a weird talent anon. So much potential.Uhm. Thanks?Where do you post your stuff?
>>7879374Thank you, anon.
>>7877721>because he's married and they would like their privacy.Do you sleep in their room or what? Do they fuck in the kitchen as part of their daily lives?
i procrastinate alot this yearhere's some fvn, i think it's purpose is to show that i can't into planes/eyes/lips/noses/hair and have to learn every part separately
watcha think? work in progress, based on a photo
>>7879510it's not the thing i learned from reading loomis book. i learned reading books like loomis for ' JUST IN CASE I NEEDED ' not gonna work if i am not going to apply any of them ever.
>>7879583Real Chun Li fans draw her thighs 5x larger than that
>>7879348This exercise was about changing the eye level of another drawing. I'm not sure I quite nailed it but, it felt like a good mental shape rotation workout nonetheless. My reference image:
draw a bob-omb
>>7879585i think you drew the exact same pose lol
>>7879593*angle
>>7879585>>7879575>>7879280>>7879274>western puke garbage>constant spam What a complete waste of your time , fuck off. ok so first you get a Galaxy Tab (comes with a pencil pog) and you spam your western garbage there with all the other boomers that are still drawing lions and ugly """""""""""""""""realistic"""""""""""""""" art, extra spice? paint a background and upload it to the galaxy gallery>>7879590Cute bob-omb, not sure why only 1 of them is 3D but ok
>>7877505more makima wipp
>>7879631i dont get what the hell is happening
>>7879631Retarded nonsensical poses from imagination final boss.
>>7879348looking very nice, anon. No clue what that other guy is talking about, you can see the angle is clearly different.
>>7879619I^ll have you know sis, that this is *real* art
>>7879642its the same you just need to stretch it vertically lol, its kinda funny both of you guys cant see it
>>7879593Well, Huston's example (using another drawing) showed only a very slight change in eye level so I figured I'd do the same as well. If I had wanted to copy the same angle I would've just recreated the drawing 1:1
>>7879645Ok some western trash has a little bit of soul.
"Fun"Process: https://youtu.be/TbY-_Qi7L3g
>>7879666>it's realwhat causes this autism
>>7879631nice lines. Hands are a strong point for you.
>>7879552>Where do you post your stuff?I have a dump thread on /i/ same as you lol >>>/i/824791 I just left you a reply in yours >>>/i/827379I did a fanart of your sexy elf girl too on picrel >>7879330>>7879535That's one of your most beautiful pieces anon.>>7879631I love the flow and feeling of this anon, artmaxing king>>7879583NICE>>7879575Beautiful drawing anon>>7879425I love seeing anons grinding here, very inspiring>>7878285>also i got emotional damage from that drawingReally? can you elaborate? Sometimes I feel like I just may be a senseless psychotic sick person burning ants with a magnifying glass just because I can. I hope I'm not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE6_PacCnRwCharcoal and ink drawing on 8 1/2 x 11.I dont recall the exact film but it was from the 1980s and it has that loose sense of tone.Added colour but the scanner cant read
>>7878435>>7879100>>7879341I mean no disrespect but choose a different brush. That faux-canvas effect looks terrible.As others have pointed out, the perspective is off too. So there's two things you can improve on.Keep drawing and having fun. You'll improve in no time!
>>7879659you like birds?
>>7879675it was the text that did it, it gave me a melancholic feeling> I hope I'm not.nehh you arent, i dont sense that from youcute elf <3>>7879411also thanskies :DDD>>7879690since when are we posting ai here
>>7879666If you spammed Loomis heads instead of squares you might actually learn how to draw something
>>7879702Or gesture drawings, better yetI don't know why you would put such an admirable amount of commitment into a strategy that is notorious for wasting time. You already know how to draw a triangle, just stop.
Yesterday i lewded one of my oc's. What do you think of the drawing anons?
>>7879711Okay but why demon girl sending a photo at night in a purple void staring at me? And why does she have a candle on her head with 2 ghost guys chilling there? Am I about to be NTR'd by those guys?
>>7879711HOT
>>7879715>why does she have a candle with 2 ghost guys chilling thereBecause she is a student anonn, she is learning necromancy and the heat of the fire on the candle attracts the dead in constant search of warm bodies!>Am i about to be NTR'd by those guysno actually she is the one NTR'D because she is possessed by one of them. After years of being dead you want to experience flesh again.. ;)
>>7879722ty anon
>>7879741Child.... smooth.... soft....
These really didn't turn out nice, even though I was just copying these simple lines, the first one is better since the proportions seems to be better, not sure what happened on the second one.
>>7879782I was hoping to struggle less with these but doesn't seem that way, honestly lost on what to practice, I just wanna draw cool fellas
>>7879784Mysterious
>>7879589To be fair, her actual proportions are dumber than that.
>>7879741SEEEX
today's copy study. these I managed to do quite fast, so I think I'm getting the hang of this. will do a couple more and switch to a different artist to study, perhaps someone I like, even
>>7879814>''only been waterboarded once and it was pretty scary''you mean irl?
>>7879741NO NO NO THAT'S A CHILD BWEEEHH
>>7879838thats fucking terrifying
>>7879814keep up the good work>>7879838you say youre an ugly bastard but youre not even an incel
>>7879842any ref for bottom left?
>>7879845
>>7879837>thinly veiled
>>7878953Thanks anon, I know of horse stance already, and even took the ref for my drawing from an Alex Fu Sheng movie.>I think the "secret" lies on the shin angle, from the front the shin appears to bend passing the knee, but from the side, it clearly goes behind the knee, obviously otherwise you would fall lol.>Your pose shows a bit of both angles, that's why it is tricky to drawI'm sorry anon, I'm too retarded to understand what you mean here. Is the knee not in front of the knee that's facing forward? I drew it assuming that was the case, so if it looks like that, then I'll take it as a win, but I want to properly understand what you mean. Your drawing looks correct to me, and I guess it's because the leg pointing towards me isn't perfectly vertical; is that what you mean? It also helps that he doesn't seem to be as low as my guy, so it looks less like a sitting position.
>>7878899>>7878953oh yeah i got mindbroken by that pose a few months ago
I want to do some watercolor studies but every ref I find is either too boring or too overwhelming and intimidating.
>>7879675I like her face. What would she look like facing forward?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7879835why did you pick this artist to study from even if you didn't like the style?
>>7879938misery+failuremaxing
>>7879835I love you appealfag. I hope you soon feel ready to draw finished art and post some good stuff.
>>7879973nigger
>>7879976Whats your fcuking problem?
>>7879976what a god
I hate seeing talented artists just freely doodling amazing stuff on stream in real time. Makes me angry from how jealous and despair inducing it is.
>>7879983Let it inspire you. In 10 years, you will be drawing like someone who has drawn for 10 years
>>7879983Makes you feel like the piece of garbage you are doesn't it? EO58 and Koreans are simply superior when it comes to art. Every single hobby,craft,job,game that Koreans set their eyes on they become #1 in today's world, they reminds me of japan back in the 90s, absolute perfection folded over 9999 times oppa
Very burnt out and pain levels high, consider this an utter failure in pretty much every single way. 30 minute study.
>>7879987lol. LMAO>>7879990I recently found out that one artist I really like escaped from Ukraine and has been streaming under a new identity. Seeing him not waste a single stroke and come up with amazing art filled with perspective, anatomy and appeal from the get go has left me in despair.
>>7879991>HumblebraggingTALENTED NIT.
>>7879994Humble bragging about what? I didn’t get a single thing right there.
>>7879992>Seeing him not waste a single stroke>ukraineHe could be cheating. I don't trust constructionlets and slavs. Two big red flags amigo, some might even say one big red flag comrade
>>7879938thank you for asking! I find borderreloaded's art quite unappealing, but his drawings are 'understandable' to me. he draws lots of figs in a consistent/low-rendered style, and I can reasonably deduce what steps he takes to do that. I'm studying general shapes and construction from him, not the style. the more expressive/gestural drawings I like, I can't deconstruct them in the same manner. also it's been quite a fun challenge, making his figs into something I find more appealing>>7879973thanks, I hope so too
>>787999099% of koreans have no taste / are creatively bankrupt
>>7880012>best modern games are korean>best modern pop music is korean>best tv shows are korean>best artists are korean>korean humor is the best>doro in time's squareJapan been shit for decades now and they kneel to the jewish overlords , dogshit multicultural shithole like Europe, no hope. America been shit for centuries literally Israeli clay, Korea is the new prada, a homogeneous society that prides itself breeds success
>>7880017lol. lmaooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>7880018>no rebuttalI accept your concession OPPA (oppa means senpai)
the hardest thing possible is drawing lower legs from this angle
>>7879983Forget it and go back to jestergooning
>>7880017TRVTH NVVVVVVVVVVVVVKE
>>7879842People often think they look worse than they do and judge themselves by standards others don't.I'm sure Paige is a qt. Personality and behavior go a long way.
>>7879870Sorry anon I sometimes over emphasize explanations that shouldn't be complicated at all. Obviously the leg should be actually be always bent inwards to keep that stance. How that "bend angle" on the knee looks like on your figure, will depends on the view angle and perspective.>>7879880Nice face doodles! You make it look so easy.
>>7880024what don't you like about it? the perspective and the cheeks?
>>7879897How her face would look like from the front? That on picrel would be my interpretation of the basic anime symbol design. Sorry about the body, I just did a super quick doodle to show the front face on that "style".>>7879904>>7879778I love this, it has a chill corporation late 90's, techno jungle, sort of vibe...>>7879835You're the best ever. Nice juicy and shapely bodies. Saved. >>7879836Nice expression doodles!>>7880024NNNNNICE!>>7879414>I recognize purpleanon and monkey but who is in the middle? Great reference by the way made me chuckleSORRY I MISSED YOUR REPLY! Yes, those are Monka and purple anon, the one in the middle is the main guy of the story. It could be the Shibari anon, but he may better be the "shibari master", or he could be both, a young and an older version of himself. I'm thinking about adding other "cameos" too on the next pages lol
Donnie and his GF
>>7880034blobby anatomy
>>7880057that anon is incapable of drawing any human that doesn’t look disgustingly lean/muscular, and for a guy into nsfw art, he really fails at the whole sex appeal part.
>>7880070samefag calling everything unappealing
>>7878826>>7879666If you spent 200+ hours grinding gestures you'd mog everyone in this thread by now.
>>7879415Alright thanks!
Project 2D - Make a Tonal BarProject 2E - Match the TonesI may need to take some time to get good at shading, what do you think?
>>7880098Here's the original.
>>7880098>>7880100what you trying do? practicing acccuracy? shading?
how do you go from referencemonkey to actual artist?im tired of not being able to draw some stuff just because i cant find a similar reference
>>7880113pyw
>>7880098I think you should be more concerned with accuracy than shading right now. Your proportions are pretty off the (admittedly artifact ridden) reference. But if you're working through keys to drawing or whatever book it is then just continue with it. Mileage is the most important thing at the beginning after all
>>7880082>>7880070Not to be a jerk, but anon is correct. Pretty much none of Peril's drawings are "sexy" at all and the only reason why their art is interesting is because of the weird situations and dialogue. Only pieces I remembered that was even remotely erotic was the cowboy and Native American flash but it was still had the same problems.
>>7880171samefag again
>>7878025It's the subtle things.The mouth is stretched out a bit and curves upward too strongly in a way that looks unnatural, like a harlequin smile.The pupils are a little too dilated, I think. Mismatched in size. Also pasted on the eye's surface like a sticker. The iris is indented, so the pupil sets back in it like a hole at the bottom of a shallow bowl. The cornea on the other hand bulges outward.The neck is a bit thin and pinches inward.Otherwise quite good. Kentaro Miura study?
>>7879976Based.
It took 5 hours but it’s done.
>>7880205cute gay lovers
>>7879461They're huge to show more innocence and squinty to show less innocence. Basically japs fetishize whites and look at them as angelic/ubermensch (e.g. the super saiyan transformation).
>>7880032The feet and the calves
>>7880209>Basically japs fetishize whites and look at them as angelic/ubermensch (e.g. the super saiyan transformation).Based Japs. They're not wrong in doing so.
>>7880216Seeing how cucked whites are today, it's hard to believe they wuz vikings 'n' shit.
>>7879973brown-nosing queer
>>7880209Huh, this explains Tsukihime.
I don't exactly know why, but the left crude color sketch looks more appealing than the more alaborate colored version. It just looks like a mess and i don't know what I'm doing wrong.
>>7880242I'm trying to pull off something like this, because I like how seemingly crude the brushwork is, yet still good looking from afar.Even made the same custom brush like the artist instructed it in a video, but I can't pull it off when drawing
>>7880242>>7880249should I try to salvage what there is or start over from the sketch again
>>7880223They get physically castrated, poisoned with estrogen and other substances in their food and water, and brainwashed 24/7 since birth.And even then all the other races are scared shitless of the "nazis" and "colonizers" (Whites that aren't cucked).Whites making a White-only little commune in the woods sends them into a frenzy of terror, as was shown by the Return to the Land thing.
death to all christians
>>7880257That's only because the most powerful victims of the white race happen to be a tribe of inbred paranoid schizos who think they're the main characters of the universe.
>>7880262>jews are whiteLol. Lmao.
>>7880267They're all the same to me. Are you seriously implying that people with blue eyes and pig skin can't possibly be white because... ? Their noses are longer? To me jewish people are inbred whites.
Least obvious sharty raid
>>7880250I haven't done much painting, so I don't really have actionable critique for you, but I just want say that they both look sick, and I don't think you should start over from the sketch. Even if it's not at a level you're satisfied with, I think it's valuable to take it as far as you can, evaluate it afterword, and then take the lessons you learn into the next piece.
>>7880171>>7880070You're crazy or just schizo trolling that guy. Perilfag produces such an amount and variety of stuff that it is impossible not to find something hot for everyone. Even for you apparently. I still have to see that cowboy story you talk about.
>>7880274Calm down, Pope Pius the Xl.
>>7880242Right definitely looks better. You're very close, you just need to learn how to add more detail/refinement to your render.
why would i post my artwork here if i cant prefectly can see my mistakes
>>7880341 you can't even formulate a sentence properly
>>7880343my sentences are mathematically correct
>>7880341Other perspectives help
>>7880031Holy shit why is this so difficult for me to get lol. So are you saying A is D and B is C? Or are you saying C is D but turned to face the front? Because if it's the former, okay cool I get it, but if it's the latter, I am more confused than ever.
>>7880332Nice but your style has stalled your progress in fundies. Time to use a different brush.
>>7880350C and D should be the same pose, I did A and B just as a visual explanation of what "shin in front (or behind) the knee" meant. Looking for more ref I found picrel. I'm looking for old 70s and 80s chinese martial art movies now lol
>>7879996And why would you trust Koreans?
>>7880103That project is about shading.
>>7880085How is that supposed to help?
Dead general at last...
thought things were starting to click but now feel like i'm struggling again and this kinda feels pointlesskinda want to skip ahead but i probably shouldn't
>>7880455
>>7880370Wow okay, thank you anon, the top right image really helped a ton; this is just a really strange pose, then. So in my drawing, I'm understanding that the shin on the leg facing forward is too vertical/perpendicular to the floor, which makes it look like the knee is right above the foot instead of in front of it, is that right?
open dojo day
>>7880370Horse stance fucking rocks by the way. Highly recommend people actually do this pose. It has a lot of benefits. It hurts like hell until it doesn't .
generic beat em up protagonistran out of time to draw her bending over need to go wageslave
>>7880242Anon, get your grasses on, right looks better.
(Unrelated picrel, I just did that for other thread) >>7880483>the shin on the leg facing forward is too vertical/perpendicular to the floor, which makes it look like the knee is right above the foot instead of in front of it, is that right?Yeah! I think that's it.>>7880489Based JCVD Connoisseur:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwnEpDmAceI
>>7880034im a huge fan of the earsi like it when they stick out>>7880171people have different tastes>>7880205very cool>>7880498hmmm slorp :3>>7880486:3 feet
>>7880510awesomewas this referenced? if yes can you share the pic?
my son drew this, he's 17
>>7880498>Yeah! I think that's it.Thanks anon, sorry it took so long to get it lol. Also very jealous of your art, looks super cool. How long have you been drawing?
>>7880537Senseichad could do this blind in 2 seconds at age 8 while getting deep dicked.
>>788053717 weeks?
>>7880542of course talentschizo is thinking about kids getting diddled
>>7880543months, duhshow me what level you were at 17 months
Another study done, source here: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/50122263
>>7880537mogs me
Frustrated with my lack of progress only to realize my only solution is just to draw more.
>>7878212very cool
>>7880518Yes they do and they can have bad taste.>>7880279That other guy you responded isn't me. I don't give a fuck about what you think, there are plenty of anons where who I like for coom material but Peril isn't one of them. His stuff is moreso comedic for me for how weirdly grotesque all of his characters which is a funny contrast with his serious verbose writing.
>>7880279different anon here. I'm not a part of the discussion but I have to agree with the other guy.His stuff gets repetitive. It's the bodies that always look the same. But I admire his workload and how nice he is to everyone.
>>7880571>>7880574Samefag. The vast majority of people love Peril's stuff.
>>7880577>copehis bodies are ugly, but he is a nice guy. i thought he was tableguy at first
>>7880588Tableguy's regular figure studies that he posts in /fig/ are nice and appealing, it's just his original works that are kind of ugly although it seems intentional for whatever reason
>>7880571>His stuff is moreso comedic for me for how weirdly grotesque all of his characters which is a funny contrast with his serious verbose writing.>>7880574>It's the bodies that always look the same.LoL, you described what I felt with this one, I like her body though >>7880593
>>7880588Tableguy is kinda rude though
>>7880574>His stuff gets repetitive. It's the bodies that always look the same.Aside from the pinkfag issue, but doesn't artists in general have their unique style? And shouldn't they have one type of body they always do? Maybe having your one unique style is getting old fashion now with the Lora technology.
>>7878365>>7878393>>7878424By the way.I managed to get some time to draw a bit while deploying the update into production. So I tried to doodle something from imagination and the hand turned out to be terrible as expected.I mean. Can you guys even pose your hand like this?
>>7880577No they don't lmao, i don't dislike peril but his(her) drawings are grotesque
One technique for improving is to use another artist's drawing as reference then comparing both in detail by juxtaposing or superimposing each other.However, what about "fixing" another beginner/intermediate artist's drawings? You grab an artwork that looks off in some way, and you edit it or redraw it so it looks better.Could this be a good method to practice and improve?
>>7880597that's not true
I’ve progressed far enough beyond the basic box spam that it’s like pulling teeth to go back, but despite that I need to solidify the most basic of forms so I have to go back and study rotating boxes. Any tips for doing it without going insane/wasting time? Any particular videos that helped it click for you?
>>7880618Those dots you put on balls look terrible
I dot my balls like I dot my i's
Here's something for anon to poke at to feel better about his/her craft skills. I picked up a pencil about a week ago. Starting with Loomis's Fun With a Pencil, plan on working through every page cover to cover. That sad old man was me after work today. I think they're going to fire me soon. I'm enjoying the outlet so far, anyways.
>>7880621>I'm not good at thisWe know.
>>7880608>>7880577Please learn how to read. I'm already aware that Peril is a beloved member. I too also like the guy, just not for his artwork. I'm telling you my opinion about it which you're free to disagree with. I think it's good to be able to separate art from artist and personally I don't find any of his work arousing at all. Literally the only reason he gets a pass is that he's at least consistent and comments on many people's works. There are many people's here for eroticism, Rein,russiafag, Raxav, deerfag, brownline fag, etc
you ever have a moment where everything suddenly clicksi get the eureka guy now
Peril's art is cool, but it would be ten times cooler if he drew cunny.
>>7880656that's cool browhat did you find out
>>7880658>the nigga known for being an unappealGOD is praising perilThis is the worst insult so far...
>>7880658I'll draw cunnay for (you) cunny chad.
>>7880653>There are many people's here for eroticism, Rein,russiafag, Raxav, deerfag, brownline fag, etcLMAO. Now I know you're trolling. Appealanon, is the only one doing any noticeable erotic stuff aside from him. Perilshit's is highly and extremely pornographic even when "he" tries to hide it behind walls of text. I don't know why is "he/she" here, but I must admit that kicking him/her out of here would put the last nail on the coffin of this zombie general.
>>7880661perfection isnt the solutioni just had to trust myself more
>>7880668Can you post the drawing you had this revelation on?
>>7880670this is still a wip, but i'm really pleased with how this is turning so fari always struggled using darker colors and with overblending, so this time i decided to just trust myself and do what i like and stopping following the reference 1:1 while fighting to keep my styleseeing the strokes and textures was something i admire a lot in art i see but i never trusted myself enough for it. so this time, i tried making them feel more significant and not blend much. i used a different brush on the blue arm to give it a different texture from the body to give it an unfitting feelingdoes this makes sense? i tend to repeat myself and write too much without noticing
>>7880668You found it anon. Well done. Art is like a river, just let it flow, is just water under the bridge or an endless stream from a tap; You can't hold it, you can't freeze it in time, you can only let it run. Just keep your hand moving and manifesting that magic.
>>7880668>>7880673pyw or shut the fuck up
>>7880658Someone check this guy's hard drive
>>7880678That's why the elites funded AI technology like Grok, to wash out all of this digital shit. Every single people out there have unspeakable shit on their phones now. The only evidence that counts at this point are real and solid tape format recordings like vhs, polaroids, etc. With AI they are hiding elephants on a herd of elephants.
>>7880689you just know the gay shota guro rape guy made this post
>>7880695>Gay>ShotaWhy repeat yourself
Shota is straight, there's a reason why the fujo thread does not allow them.
why is Paige at it again?
>>7880664Who the fuck is appealanon can you link?
>>7880714>>7879835>>7878768>>7876627>>7874809>>7874558
>>7880662I couldn't care less about what the goyim find appealing, I'm drawing for myself, not for likes or followers.>>7880663>>7880676>>7880678I use hags to ref my lolis. >>>/b/945902049
Working on coloring
>>7880727I will never understand the likes of you.
>Grind fundies for a few years>Can copy with 80-90% accuracy >Everything falls apart when I try to do something original, revert to pre/beg/ How do I fix this? Is it a lack of visual library? Is it really just endless studies?
>>7880727should be arrested as a precaution btw
>>7880742Anon we dropped two atomic bombs on that people and look what happened.
>>7880740You can't out-grind the mandatory bad drawings.
>>7880740This will never not be funny
>>7880744>>7880746I genuinely don't understand why this doesn't work. As much as its memed I'm starting to think it really does boil down to talent. I can produce trash and not learn anything from it and just continue to produce trash forever but that doesn't sound good at all.
>>7880750Talentchads like Senseifag can paint Sistine Chapel tier works of art while self-sucking and peeing and yet you can't even draw an anime girl in a white void. It's OVER if you don't have talent.
>>7880750It's not so much as talent, but you gotta understand that drawing from observation and drawing from imagination are different skills, but they are interconnected. Even when it comes down to drawing something original with reference, your brain is treating the whole thing as a new challenge because it's calculating shit that goes unused when grinding.The first few times are going to suck, and you gotta treat it as a learning experience, but take it to the end. Go through all the motions that you have trained in your studies and try to apply them until you have something that's as finished as you can imagine (not necessarily good). It's like racing, you gotta learn both the car AND the track to have a good time.
>>7880759Thank you senpai
>>7880332Wouldn't it be funny if after all of this effort of grinding the same construction mannequins for months you burnt out, quit, and never got to experience creating something of your own? Haha...
I want to sleep so much.
>>7880775you've made an incredible amount of progress with them hands, good job anon, if you want a random tip try copying hands that you are actually going to use in your drawings (per example the soijak pointing hand, it's a must have)
>>7879411Lmao. Is that me? Thank Peril
can the bottom foot even bend that way in reality? i like the way it looks but i don't know if it's straight up broken
>>7880740>Everything falls apartThat's because you didn't do many drawings from imaginationYou'll need to dump dozens of hundreds of bad drawings before you can create something even remotely appealing from imagination.
>>7880621Nailed it, friend.
>>7880746So whats the fucking joke?
>>7880821The joke is that no matter how many boxes you grind it will only make you better at drawing boxes. Just draw what you wanted to draw from the start instead of wasting time on shit you have absolutely no passion for
>>7880826Mastering free perspective of boxes is crucial for art. Simon says so.
>>7880809I don't have ref at hand now, but yes, feet can bent like that and even more. That's a Great looking figure.
sometimes, I feel like I can almost grasp the form... it's like a mythical creature
>>7880759Ok but I have another problem when it comes to imagination I am creatively and visually bankrupt I can't think of anything to draw
>>7880848Currently having this. Maybe it's an idea to take a little break and recover?
Yesterday and today's practicehttps://files.catbox.moe/gvhkae.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/6nhyxu.jpgI kept repeating the mistake of making the nose too big and placing the eyes too high, creating a malformed head worthy of a veritable retard.However, I think I'm getting the hang of it. The last head I drew following the Loomis method came out pretty well.
>>7880848You can draw anything, anon. What's in front of your eyes right now? You can draw that. Be it your room or yourself channing on the computer/laptop/phone.Do you not feel inspired when seeing a beautiful flower? The glowing heavens in the twilight or the dusk? Hot women? Strong or powerful men? Cute dogs and cats and birds and mice? The wondrous architecture and works of art of the past? You can draw it, or at least try. There's plenty to draw; you don't have to create something from nothing.It's a matter of not wanting rather than not having.
>>7880740>>7880821NTA, but it's extremely common for someone to get good at observational drawing and then be completely baffled when that doesn't manifest into an ability to draw from imagination. It's funny because pretty much everyone has been there, but they got past it thus can look back and laugh about it, and so can you.It's because observational drawing and imagination drawing are- like >>7880759says- both different skillsets, although they are interconnected and do influence each other. Observational drawing skill will give you the prerequisite abilities to see size & angle relationships and draw them as they should be, which is necessary for learning to construct from imagination. You can gain this skill via a shitton of imagination drawing, by essentially self-calibrating off of your own drawings through brute trial and error, but that usually happens when someone doodles a lot from childhood. The skill of imagination drawing is learning to create and sculpt 3D form inside the page. It's kind of like installing Blender in your brain. Everyone has an innate ability to sense and calculate 3D form from 2D visual information. If you look at a picture of a beach ball, by observing how the lines wrap around the ball you can comprehend its roundness. That's the illusion of imaginary 3D form. Of course, this is completely passive and you don't really think about it. You have to learn to reverse engineer this sense to put 3D form into the 2D surface, rather than passively extracting 3D information from 2D image. Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching is one of the best in-a-nutshell representations of the idea, particularly the exercises where you wireframe organic forms- you draw an organic shape and then draw lines wrapping around it, like you're feeling those lines across the surface of this imaginary object. You're interpreting an empty 2D shape into a 3D object in real time. This is the foundation of imagination drawing- building and sculpting form.
>>7880848I'm the same, start saving art or pictures you find interesting, go look at them when you want to draw but don't draw a copy of them, just take what you like most, or maybe copy one element that stands out to you and expand the rest of the drawing from there. You can combine multiple bits from different sources, that's probably the easiest way to start. As you practice doing this, you'll start to see more things that inspire you or give you ideas because you've been training yourself to look for them.Also don't limit yourself by thinking creativity in art is only about the subject matter.
>>7880856Simplify it retard. Imagination = MemoryRendering = Coloring for AdultsYou can't draw because you have no fundamentals, copy pasting 3dpd or drawings from other artists is not a fundamental skill but it helps understanding them.Hope that helps retard.
>>7880856make it more confusing somehow
and take more acid
Are 4-6 inch tablets worth it?
>>7880885No they are not. Buy a bigger one if you're able to otherwise you will torture yourself by trying to nail big strokes with your wrist and fingers alone
>>7880885I used similar thing for years its fine and I didn't felt tortued by hardware but it forces you to zoom harder. but nowadays no reason to not get bigger.
>>7880876What you're saying makes even less sense and explains nothing. What do you mean by "fundamentals"? Can you define them at all? Drawing from imagination is far more than memory, because you can make up things almost entirely, invent from first principle, or even just draw completely abstract forms at the behest of your whims. Like I said, it's like learning to 3D model with your brain. As a matter of fact, the way that a computer draws images and how a person does it aren't dissimilar, it's all based off of the same principles. A person drawing from imagination is modeling objects in perspective projection. A person painting/rendering from imagination is simulating the light cast on the object(s), how their colors mix, how the light interacts with the materials the object(s) are made from- transparency, reflectivity, refraction, etc.- bounce lighting, ambient occlusion, etc.
how can i make my art look more like the work of a medieval chinese woodblock artist
>>7880903I'm not trying to be confusing or esoteric, by the way. I'm actually trying to convey the concept in plain language that can be understood. Problem is some of this stuff is just inherently difficult to convey through text. Or maybe I'm just a bad communicator. I don' fuggign know. Fugeddaboudit, ehhh ya mudda
Feeling like a faggot for drawing faces wrong for the last three years.
Is the head too big?
>>7880922Yessir.
>>7880925Sure wish I wasn't dogshit
>>7880926Just shrink the head and you'll be okay, anon. I believe in you.
>>7880922just compare the size of it to other parts of the body, like the torso. Right now its as big as the whole upper body if you would overlay them
>>7880926babe, you're kino, though?
>>7880922her head is too big but she also has short legs. it's making her look like a midget, make them longer
Sprained my wrist from a biking accident, so I haven't drawn in a while. Going 35 km/h downhill with bad brakes is not a brilliant idea. Thank god I wore a helmet. I can only draw for five minutes at a time before pain, so bad gestures and light construction is all I can manage for now, while reading through bridgman.Lot's of fantastic drawings in this thread. Can't comment on all of them, sadly. Wish I could draw and write more, but lurking is best for the next week or so.>>7877527Always beautiful stuff, anon. Love this.>>7877555>an anime girl a day, keeps the schizos awayHere's hoping. It's very cute, monke.>>7877751I adore this one. Brilliant values.>>7878265>Smaller breastsThis somehow feels blasmphemous from your other work. Great drawings, anon.
>>7880922Depends. If your intent was to draw a 4.5 ft. tall shortstack hottie then you succeeded :)
>>7880922Head to boobs is ok, but basically the problem started when you forgot the include the stomach and hips completely, so the distance from boobs to crotch is way too short
>>7880779I am considering trying to draw a whole image with all common hand gestures together to reuse as reference because I really can't draw even a single finger by imagination yet.
average elf>>7880664only reason why im not posting blatant porn is that the jannies dont accept wukong porn>>7880786omg the titty demon, i never forget the moment someone told me that whenever you kill one, the rest gets strongerlovely art btw>>7878265whats a beglet..>>7878627 thanksies :Di Will call you old irl again and also make a full bodied colored one
>>7880943I like the bendy energy in this. Swooping lines and shapes. Good.
>>7880855Ok I tried to do 1 piece will all the knowledge I have. I have a headache now. It is way more difficult than the copies despite being kind of basic
>>7880922?
>>7880991She is now normal height. Proportions are fun.
>>7880943omg I thought you abandoned us..
>>7880836thanks
>>7880991>>7880922Blog?
>>7880887>>7880897As I thought. I drew the measurements on a piece of paper and they looked unbearably small, little different from drawing on a smartphone.Thank you for the replies.
>>7880985Cute and funny. Good job, anon.
>>7881007Correction anon here. I only draw men so idk if you really want my blog...
>fall for the construction meme>everything I draw looks like a brick nowit's over
>>7881021nta but I do
>>7881048"First you have to know the rules, in order to break them"
>>7881048pyw
>>7881054unknownersirius on bksy. I don't do NSFW publicly but I'm gonna skate as close to the sun as I can.
>>7880740iterative drawing
>>7880171I know who this is btw and he got banned from like every ic affiliated discord. No one likes this guy and he likes to think of himself as a master troll. Acting like a retard to rage bait people is a good way to spend time on an art board huh, without drawing anything btw. Pick up the pencil and stop crabbing at shit you can't even make.
>>7880490guy variant>>7881149wait who is
>>7880786pro as usual, dope subject matter and design>>7880498highlight king, always surprised by how much you put out and how clean your lines are, also clean anatomy skills as well>>7879835great female anatomy especially with the lower body
>>7881154some guy who trolls and crabs, just ignore him if he says some dumb shit followed by "that anon is right" or some other reaffirming bullshit
>>7880943what's your setup like? maybe try drawing from from a standing pose or with your other hand for fun
>>7878315No it’s not. NSFW still make it just fine these days, the real reason why you’re not growing is that you’re not posting consistently enough and your drawings aren’t eye catching enough or relevant enough. People always cope with other excuses but that’s always what it is
>>7881168He seems to mainly draw fanart for an irrelevant mobile game called Epic 7, which in itself is fine if that's what he wants to do but it won't help for his growth.
>>7880664Appeal anon i can agree with but what's wrong with any of the anons I mentioned? Raxav draws porn of his ocs all the time
What do I specifically need to focus on to move up to /int/? why is my art so shitplease i've been /beg/ for so long.
>>7880976Thanks. It's the best I can do with a hand and wrist brace, but it's still fun.>>7880995Never, I still like to lurk. I always have my reasons for not posting, most of the time it's because I need to draw more than I post, but this time it was just me being stupid and riding a bike too recklessly. Remember to check your brakes, anon, especially when riding in the winter.>>7881162I use a screenless tablet, but my desk is not height-adjustable. I could draw trad by going down to the library. I once taught myself to play fallout 1 and 2 using my left hand, and it would be a great exercise. I'll be sure to try it out, thanks for the suggestion, anon.
>>7881157OMG! Thank you so much WOLF! There, I did a rough study of your girl. The really hard part is how to get right that hot thigh muscle group on the forefront leg in that isometric angle, it really is a cool trademark of your design, hard to imitate. Again sorry about my fucked up stuff, it's just my way to vent out. I can only do that in a safe trashy place like this site.>>7880540>Thanks anon, sorry it took so long to get it lol. Also very jealous of your art, looks super cool. How long have you been drawing?Sorry I miss your reply anon! I'm on my thirties now and I've been drawing since childhood, thing is, I've never got into art studies, because I got educated to think that "art" is a dead end pursuit in a world like this. I really believed that since very young... and honestly I may still believe it. I dunno. I do believe this shit is mine, and it is to serve only me, and my own pleasure and desires. I could say I've been drawing 20 years, but that's not true, I just stopped drawing recently during 4 months, from august to december I think. Now I'm catching up squeezing all of this "free time", till I go away again. What I think is that you need at least TEN YEARS to get good, even with talent. I mean good enough to "make it" at least to the "entry door", whatever that means lol.>>7880577>Samefag. The vast majority of people love Peril's stuff.THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!>>7880171>Only pieces I remembered that was even remotely erotic was the cowboy and Native American flash but it was still had the same problems.WOW! You are an OG fan! It is weird that you like that story since it is like one the most over the top examples of my "grotesque style". I think you're trolling and having fun, do you have any requests? I will do a comic about White Feather and the handsome cowboy when I finish this redheaded cult one, I think there's 10 pages more of this one. I'll try to speed up that shit, though now I'm doing this too on /fig/ >>7880889
>>7881191More Loomis
>>7881101What areas should I focus on for my next drawing?
>>7881236hands
>>7878415how many times have you ctrlzed each of these lines?
rusty rn
I can't fucking draw :(
Yooo
I'm now jesterbegging and beggooning
>2:00 am - 6:00 am >sleep deprived>be able to draw with relative ease>literally going from prebeg to mid-high begI don't get it, how can i fix this? And don't say drugs >>7881245this is a copy from that guy isn't it, the korean guy, rinotuna
Time keeps on slipping, slipping... into the future.
>>7881294coffeeit's good for you
>>7881296ok i'll try to drink coffee as i draw, will comeback with results.
>>7881294its not, this is a character from limbus companyaltho I did used to study Rinotuna quite a bit years ago>>7881282wawa
Perspective practice
>>7877505hair growth
Been heavy on Paul Richer too
>>7881319
>>7881333ZASED
>>7881333Boombro doing god's workalso checked.
R8 my turd pls thanks>>7881294>sleep deprived>suddenly get bettermany such cases.>>7881296>>7881300Try l-theanine too. 2:1 ratio of l-theanine to caffeine is a classic. All the energy without the jitters.
>>78813532L of tea and 1L of coffee should be fine?
>2L of tea and 1L of coffee should be fine?
How’s my goblin?
>>7881357Don't do that. That creates mustard gas.
i always come up with stupid fucking retarded poses and get stuck trying to draw them >>7881353ball on shadow side wold have a different color than this>>7881361+tits-eyes-head on body location
>>7881361very goblina
Hi guys, I didn't see a design thread, and this thread is about to die. So I'm going to ask herewhich one looks better?pic related or..
>>7881381...or this onenay "colortheoryfag" here can give me an opinion?
quick before bath drawingrough day so little drawing was done
>>7881149>>7881157looks blurry. Use a bigger brush maybe?
>>7881382This looks better
also lol but I found a pic from late August 2024 when I first started dabbling in trying to draw a bitnot to say I'm perfect by any means, but I've made a bit of progress considering this probably took more time than the random bath drawings I do
>>7881381 I think this one looks better because the decisions made here serve more of a purpose. In the yellow drawing, it just feels like it’s used for the intent of aesthetic but doesn’t do much for the drawing itself
>>7881382this one
>>7881282That's really good.>>7881294>>7881353>many such cases.I think it may be because when you're sleep deprived in the aftermidnight you don't really care that much about what you're drawing, so you just let your instincts take over: you're on autopilot and your brain takes control, and your brain knows well what looks proper and what does not, so the quality of your illustrations instantly goes up.A solution might be to stop making strongly-conscious choices when drawing. Instead, draw from instinct, let your intuition guide you.
https://files.catbox.moe/jpcnfb.jpg
>>7881353>R8 my turd pls thanksI just started learning about shading recently, but if you want my opinion, I think your shading is too high contrast.You need more halftones (soft colored transitions from light to shadow or from color to black), and the occlusion (the dark shadow created by the connection between the ball and the table) should be smaller.That said, I think your center/form light, highlight, reflected light, form/core shadow, terminator, cast shadow, and penumbra are good.
>>7881381>>7881382The former is easier to read but the latter is more alluring/impressive.
Once again im trapped in the 'searching books and coursers' chain, fuck, I dont know were to start, if i pick this or that, i hate this feeling
>>7881408T_Trate my (cum)bucket plz
>>7881421also with ragidk how to draw cloth so went with intuition and common sense desu
>>7880922I tried again, still wip
>>7880774I've been at it for years so your point is worthless.
>>7881436>years it just gets worse and worse. you're some sort of cautionary tale for begs not to mindbreak themselves into becoming a study slave. none of the studies you've been doing ad nauseum have shown to be of any value either because you never apply them to anything. when's the last time you attempted something more ambitious? the aqua copy you did?
>>7881440So is this the part were I burn out or are you now going to back peddle to me having actually created other works?
>>7881441what works? a copy?
>>7881442If you specifically wanted to see what an original drawing I made looked like all you had to do was ask, instead of this effeminate sarcastic faggotry.https://litter.catbox.moe/krru89vk6qdm33im.png
>>7881443that's a great start, try doing more of that. much more interesting than box hip #1527 that you already know how to draw
>>7881426looks a lot better now, good job on the foreshortened hand too
>>7881444>that you already know how to drawExcept I don't already know how to draw it. I'm grinding torsos entirely because I'm trying to memorize its rotations, which isn't something learned in a week. It took me months to get somewhat acceptable looking heads. It's the same thing here. I'm going to keep with the course I've set with myself before moving on to arms and legs and full figure.
Been a long week
>>7881426
https://files.catbox.moe/4e33o7.jpg>>7881421>>7881423A bit rough, but it shows some decent understanding of 3D space, as for the rag, I'm not quite sure because I mostly draw naked girls, so I don't have that much experience with clothing.
GODFUCKINGDAMNITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7881484This sounded like someone cumming not someone mad
THE CUM
>>7881477catbox opens as white page :/by rough do you mean quality of lines?>>7881479dat ass! WOULD
>>7881418Just pick one. Use a randomizer/flip a coin if you have to. Do the first chapter and re-evaluate from there, decide if it's worth continuing.
>>7881488>catbox opens as white page :/weird >>>/b/945938020>by rough do you mean quality of lines?yes
>>7881503Your efforts at making confident dark lines have not gone unnoticed. Keep up the good work bwo.
>>7880973Thank you>>7881157Thanks kman
Can someone pls help me explain, why do women's abs make that diamond into round shape when anatomy diagrams are telling me the abs go down in a straight line?
>>7881525fat
>>7881244I don't usually, I knockback with an eraser and then draw the line I want
>>7881525Because of the way their hips are located the abs make a soft curve but it still is a straight line if you are looking at it straight on, retard
does tis looks ok... did my suffering paid off.. can i finally be happy..
>>7881539Suffer some more.
>>7881540is it that bad
>>7881525they dontalso everyones ab shape is unique to some extent
>>7881542Hard to say since it's just a gesture. Put some more detail into it.
I hate drawing slop like this, but I can't pass on comissions. everytime I draw slop like this it makes me feel like shit
>>7881545>they dont>posts a picture where they go down in a straight line towards the pubis>jeet spacingNever trust jeet spacing retards.
>>7881548you asked why they make a diamond shape and I showed you that they dont you fucking retard, this jeetGOD is shitting straight down your mouth in terms or raw intellect as you can't take 2 seconds to google any fucking image of a female bodybuilder to see how they abs actually look like + you can't read, glory to vishnu nigger
>>7881407>I think it may be because when you're sleep deprived in the aftermidnight you don't really care that much about what you're drawing, so you just let your instincts take over: you're on autopilot and your brain takes control, and your brain knows well what looks proper and what does not, so the quality of your illustrations instantly goes up.>A solution might be to stop making strongly-conscious choices when drawing. Instead, draw from instinct, let your intuition guide you.Id rather kill myself. Do you really think i stop constructing because i'm sleep deprived? I need that injection of adrenaline, the godtier second win to lock on and construct harder.I don't even know why people that don't see tridimentionality or even attempt at building it draw, what a huge waste of time. >it's funIt's not. Being shit is not fun.
>>7881552Didn't read, the abs are still pointing down towards the pubis. You will never be able to draw.
>>7881557i mog you btw, youre asking prebeg questions hahahaha
>>7881558I'm not the one that's asking questions. I accept your concession retard.
Jagpreet and Gurjit are arguing again...
>>7881559yes you are, you are fighting for his honor because you started arguing for him, so stand up straight and take the beating beggie
>>7881561i would ask you to post your work but you are brown, your art is worthless, not only that but you have no idea about basic anatomy. The diamond shape is completly made up , the abs look have a phalus shape and they go down straight to the pubis, this is basic anatomy, you don't even know BASIC ANATOMY.>>7881560Post your work.
also never mind, i just realized the lil jeet said fighting, mandem be fighting in the art and critique chinese forum cause of his mediocre understanding of anatomy, watch him do a 180 "i was merely pretending to be retarded" Actual subhuman behavior.
>>7881562>the abs look have a phalus shape and they go down straight to the pubisso youre the retard that drew this >>7881538??oh my god bwahahahaha PREBEEEG
meltie
>>7881538holy fucking dunning kruger, the pajeet is kicking your ass
>>7881548>>7881557ironic that this reddit spacer is complaining about jeet spacing
>>7881567>>7881564zoomnigger discord raid, you guys already killed the board, what else do you want? you will never be able to draw, so which third world are you guys from? Russia, Venezuela?
>>7881568You will never belong. Stop trying.
>>7881538can this be the next op? We need to immortalize redditfags wisdom
>>7881571Your kind killed the site. Why are you even trying to draw? Your probably comes from stupidity and frustration. You know can't draw, you don't even know basic anatomy or how to represent it. Back to the discord circle jerk. You behave like a 12 year old bully at school, shame it's not a face to face conversation.
NEW >>7881574 >>7881574 >>7881574lets leave this dumpsterfire
oh yeah let me save these two >>7881545>>7881525>>7881552We indeed to immortalize discord circlejerk tribalism and show how they are killing the board. More torsos. Last time i upload art to this shithole. You guys deserve the dead site you have
>>7881525fat pads
caught cold and constantly coughing
>>7881382It would work better with cleaner linework
>>7881581I don't even know what you're talking about, but your drawing looks nice.
>>7881759>but your drawing looks nice.it's not his drawing
>>7881493I will stick to drawing on the right side of the brain and keys to drawing, and I will watch the first lesson of the hue teo course to see if its good
>>7881547I think it's looks good anon
