If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, retards that whine about how hard drawing is or talent debates and instead focus on posted works!>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewNew collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewHardcore (wayback archive):https://hackmd.io/@0uRfwdEoRDiHFz9wibb5sA/ry8nyys6-l>WHERE to get study materials>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>Post Your Work and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.When receiving a critique, try to provide one in return>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From LifePrevious thread: >>7932066and i didnt even put my own art in the OP
Way too early for a new thread bro
>not in the OP again yeah, cool. I'm glad this isn't a school.
>>7934116too early faggot
warm up study
>>7934121>>7934128it was in the 450ies, i'm not going to wait for it to hit 900>>7934127be happy that you aren't in it. Cs get degrees>>7934131i like these in general, they give me a very arcadian/satyric/fae feel. you could do greek mythology illustrations of minor deities and forest spirits and id lap it up like it was laced
Experimented with a few brushes. I don't think this turned out as good as the other one. Wanted to try and exaggerate the features a bit but it just ended up looking like an ugly caricature.
>>7934141funny that i recognise your style from the prev thread. youre right it turned out worse as an image, but more pleasing as a drawing or a base for a painting. push it further, there's promise in there. the previous one wasn't fixable without big revisions
have you ever drawn at the speed of light?I need to wriite down dialogues then put them in frames then draw it out, i saw that in bakuman lets see if it works>>7934141neither ugly nor exaggerated
>>7934140the eyes are too close together
>>7934146i have an unfixable thing for angry dykes with prey eyes
>>7934140oh my goodness anon. do I have the revelation for you - that's most of what I draw! thank you lol>>7934145k-kino
>>7934150good god thats talent unwasted lmao, very good work
>>7934145wtf
is mileage really the secret to success? i feel like im worried that im doing too much studying and not enough producing, but every time i make something and it turns out bad it just makes me want to go back to studying
>>7934158YEs YEs Yes Yes yes yes yes yes
>>7934158>is mileage really the secret to success?I don't think it's just that. Having good access to information is also important. Some people also simply learn faster.I often learn things I feel I should have known decades ago already.
>>7934158Yeah. But don't be like those people who only draw a billion torsos and nothing else
>>7934161>Some people also simply learn faster.life is so unfair. it makes me sick
>>7934159Insane wtf
>>7934158there's no reason for begs to do finished work if you master each step first you can just start drawing what you want immediately
>>7934164Bro I just opened Xitter and saw a random thread about people sharing their latest art and somehow everyone was crazy good. Deleted everything I ever posted after that cause I felt ashamed of being proud of the shit I drew
>>7934169Oops wrong person>>7934165
>>7934165IKTF, but you get used to it. I just try to not care too much about things I can't change. >>7934167T-thanks!
>>7934154thanks, wouldn't say I'm talented by any means but it means a lot
>>7934175genuinely love your art
Not happy with this one, onto the next one.>>7934175Always looking forward to seeing your work here. I don't know what it is. The tasteful thickness of it, probably.
do we need 3 active /beg/ threads?
>>7934188cause OP is a fag
Late ass gold bikini
>>7934195i remember you, nice progress so faris this your 72nd illustratoin? 0.0
>>7934175goated elf
>>7934199Thanks! I’ll keep trying to improve :>This isn’t my 72nd illustration haha, I just use the filename that clip studio paint gives me by default. I delete old .csp files to save storage so every once in a while the filename number resets.
>>7934142You were right, I think it does look a bit better with some color.>>7934145Had to use lasso tool to even it out. Nice perspective btw, would look even hotter if they were twinks.>>7934159Love how you did the hair.>>7934203Reminds me of that albinauric chick from elden ring.
>>7934210It's so good
forget about these, doodled them out and about
How do you rotate a sideview form to one that's not front but like in between front and sideview?Do you use that technique that architects use when you draw the views next to each other with lines joining the same points?
Just figured out a perfect way to simulate how breasts look in clothing in any pose I wish to draw. the catch? it involves pillows and nobody must ever become aware that I use this method...
How do you guys stay motivated? Do you have personal goals or do you unironically just do it for the love of the game?
to own the libs, unironically.
>>7934226i have nothing else going on in my lifedrawing fucking sucks, but it's either that or rotting
>>7934181>>7934183>>7934213
>>7934226me and the geef compete with each other, and she's an art student. i know she won't love me with the same intensity if she ends up looking down on me in art terms, so i have to stay better than her to keep the relationship stable
>>7934218No one? Fine
>>7934226This: >>7934238
>>7934216draw more anime
>>7934183>>7934098>What are you good at drawing?Blobs with shadow>>7934159Soull
>>7934248i did this piece recently
>>7934226video games and masturbation are not enough anymore. For me is catargic, like building gunpla or do gardening.
>>7934257Your anime and geek sculpture addiction is colliding.
>>7934260the fine art fixation spreads even to magical girls
>>7934257yes draw more of that
>>7934273I can do that today I think I don't mind drawing anime as long as it's my own version of it
Isn't that crazy? I got no (You)s in the previous thread.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaTHIS...WORLD...IS...INSAAANEE!!
>>7934276I got no yous, no OP engagement, Im having zero fun drawing, Im learning nothing from the practices and you think your world is insane?
Anyone else cant wait until they can actually draw a rough sketch of a human being?drawing shapes is cool and all, but i want to draw humans.....or at least animals......haha................
are we slowly going insane because of this thread?
>>7934281im slowly going insane because i cant do anythingcant create (art, music, programming) and i cant find a real skill or even hold a job because of the autsnow i cant even afford to eat because gas just doubled and'll probably triple next week
>>7934279I personally can't wait for the Earth to be swallowed instantly by a black hole, causing all artists better than me to simply vanish. I'll finally be at peace then.>>7934282This so much. Life fucking sucks. And you know what sucks about art? It's fucking everywhere. You can just shut your ears and not listen to music. But art is everywhere. Art that's much better than yours.Art made by talented people who are better and faster at learning. Who were born with more patient minds.
>>7934282Farm potatoes bro.
>>7934288I can barely peel potayders, dooder..
>>7934141Where do you get your refs? Pinterest of magazine covers? I agree with the other anon who says it’s better as a drawing.
When freehand drawing triangles, is there a way to avoid drawing the right side in a shitty, curved way? What's the secret to drawing a symmetrically, (seemingly) perfect triangle without a ruler?
>>7934287>Art made by talented people who are better and faster at learningThe good thing about art is that it's very subjective. I think as long as you feel like you are getting better, and you are somewhat satisfied with your work, then you are winning.The only thing in life which sucks is just the money (and women). You somehow need to get enough money without getting annoyed too much. And you need to become asexual.
>>7934273
>>7934293he cant be satisfied because he's comparing himself to good artistsmy personal goal is to make something a quarter as good as my favorite artists
>>7934290Twitter, pinterest, /hr/ occasionally, and javs. When using pinterest, I'd recommend searching for a specific model (i.e Shalom harlow, anneliese seubert)
>>7934299Even really artists feel the same way tho. They also look at other artists and become jealous. There will always people who appear better than you.You just have to concentrate on your own stuff and try to learn from them.
>a year into drawing and I feel I have to go through the basics of Perspective and Figure Drawing AGAIN because I'm a fucking retard who can't learn anything
>>7934306what about the ones who feel better? do they look at other artists that feel better? what about those? is there some kind of artist who appears like this big boss of artist who mogs all or something? i wanna meet em
>>7934311i look at other artists' art and feel better because a) they're worse than me, so i know ive come a long way; orb) they're better than me, so im motivated to catch upWAGMI bros :)>>7934302just avoid using yellow for skin like that, it makes her look like a terminal liver patient
>>7934306i dont compare myself to anyone because i know people with natural talent exist and i can improveI used to have sleepless (and drawless) nights where i just ask myself why i bother pursuing art when im retarded but now i know i can draw decent shapes but i feel like im too disobedient to be a good artistI get too frustrated at not being able to draw what i want
I'm on day 4 of brent eviston and I feel mega filteredim at the part where hes starting to draw organic shapes and i feel like i neglected somethingi cant recreate the smooth way he jiggles the pencil without ripping the fucking paper
Landscape anon inspired me to do this one
>>7934311>is there some kind of artist who appears like this big boss of artist who mogs all or something?Many artists are narcissistic and delusional so they think they are the best. Usually good artists know that there will always be someone who is better tho.
>>7934270I like your stuff, anon. The minimal use of line is impressive.
>>7934315>i dont compare myself to anyoneI don't thin it's bad to compare yourself to others because you can learn from better artists. Analyze why their stuff is better and try to do something similar. This is a good way to improve.You just have to drop the jealous defeatist attitude. A good way to improve is also to find out your strengths and weaknesses. Not everyone is meant to be a classical painter for example. I wouldn't even want to work on massive canvas sizes. So I drop my desire to do that and concentrate on what I find fun instead.
>>7934311>>7934324thispeople who think they're hot shit tend to stall out because they can't handle feedback (this includes a lot of kids whose daddies sent them to art school btw)hating your work is the price of admission :)unless you're michelangelo. but you're not, so
>>7934279>Anyone else cant wait until they can actually draw a rough sketch of a human being?You know you can do that right? Your art curriculum Could be your first priority and you can treat yourself by drawing whatever you want in your down time? Even if it's there's nothing stopping you from redrawing things. For people like me when my ego gets filtered due to my lack of skill the insecurity actually makes me practice even harder or- at least I enjoy it more because I know I can come back to that problem and crush it.
>>7934327not always truewhat actually matters is drawing consistently and having some sort of feedback loop. Sometimes this can be simply copying over and over. Conversely I think there's faggots here that are looking for and get feedback constantly but end up getting mogged by people drawing for fun because they're too busy worried about doing things "right" instead of drawing what they want.
>>7934324>Many artists are narcissistic and delusional so they think they are the bestThis mentality is a prerequisite for making good art btw.
>>7934116MakingSolid progress on this. The ground is gonna take forever but oh well
>>7934332mm I'm willing to concede the optimum is somewhere in the middle. having fun is important and confidence isn't a bad thing. but there's only so far thinking your own farts smell good will take you
>>7934333I don't think so. It's often difficult to compare art anyway. Comparing a pin up artist to someone who draws fantastical landscapes is like comparing apples to oranges.You definitely can be THE BEST in a certain genre (Hajime Sorayama for example is someone like this, arguably the best modern pin up artist), but you can't really say I AM THE BEST. That's just silly, especially since the old masters existed.
>>7934337Very expressionist, interesting
>>7934331>You know you can do that right?I'm 3d-retarded, anon. Everything is draw is flat shit, trying to attempt it would just be pointless. When I'm good at a drawing fluid curvy lines i'll try figure drawing and gesture
>>7934339You don't have to be the best, you just have to believe you're the best. It's the only way to completely preserve your own individual artistic intent without being influenced by external forces that will make your art impure and insincere. Becoming a deluded narcissist should be a goal for any artist really. Actually getting to that point is probably not feasible unless you're mentally ill though.
>>7934294cute
>>7934325thanks
>>7934344Hajime Sorayama often appears like this, but only because HE ACTUALLY IS THAT GOOD. I don't think he thinks he is the best artist ever, but he definitely has an arrogant attitude, because he is a very very good pin up artist.
>>7934340It’s a girl, that’s why. Exaggeration my friend (but also anatomy is hard) >>7934341Thank you. I’m very excited to finish it
Gesture is hurting me. I can't do any of these flowing lines without things getting horribly out of proportion. Drawing is impossible. Trying to learn this was a mistake.
>>7934362Every day is an opportunity to quit drawing forever :)
>>7934357>I’m very excited to finish itNice, it reminds me of something David Lynch would have drawn.
>>7934338Exactly, which is why the best way to improve is find people who give constructive feedback in an encouraging manner.No amount of loomis will help you if you genuinely dread drawing due to pressure of getting shit onGood mentors can simultaneously praise the positive or unique aspects that need to be preserved as well as point out areas of improvement
Would someone kindly explain how to tilt this particular pose towards the viewer but not to the point of being front? Can't tell how much of the torso should be concealed
>>7934371>kindlyimagine rotating an apple
>>7934374thing is I can't tell how much of the lower part will be concealed by the chest
>>7934370>best way to improve is find people who give constructive feedback in an encouraging mannerNTA but I don't agree with that. The best way to improve is to have interest in art and have enough access to information on how to do it.Compliments are for little children. They are nice but they won't turn you into a good artist.
>>7934378Incorrect. I don't think you understand what "constructive criciticms" actually means. You can point out flaws and teach them how to fix it without being an asshole about it. Pointing out positive things is important because sometimes a beginner doesn't know certain things they are doing are actually adding a lot to the work so they will know to keep doing that for next time too.
>>7934387Good artists don't have time to teach you everything about how to improve. Every way to improve is individual. Unless you are the assistant of some good artist, constructive criticism doesn't help all that much. There is a reason why many great artists are autodidacts. Because in the end, it's really up to you if you improve or not.
>>7934393I’m self taught and mostly agree; but constructive criticism is still incredibly useful. I find that constructive criticism is good for guidance but it’s the overall artists responsibility with what they do with the info
>>7934337I like this. Jesse looks really good. Jane is looking pretty botched but gr8 effort :-DDD
>>7934394I guess you could say it's useful for beginners. But after reaching a certain level, it's really hard to find useful critic.
>>7934116Little retarded question but HOW do you study from an artwork?Like, I'm not a newbie; I know how to draw and do gesture fairly well.But what, do I just copy the references over and over again until I memorize the shape? I legit don't understand
xD
>>7934374>imagine rotating an appleIs that actually possible or is it just a meme
>>7934428Nice color choices. Remidns me a bit of Yoshitaka Amano's colorful fantasy.The sky reminds me of Dark Souls 1.
>>7934424yes you can do that
>>7934433I..I can't........
when practicing busts (specifically for anime art), how do you not make them the same boring 3/4 view or straight on view? is learning expressions required to make busts not so boring?
>>7934439you have aphantasia
>>7934447I figured it was just adhd induced tardayshin but i take vyvanse now and after months of taking it i still have no visual memoryshould i swap the adhd meds for aphantasia meds? do aphantasia meds exist? should i impale my neck with my pencil?
>>7934450I am not a doctor hell I said that because I know that the term of not being bale to imagine shit is that. Go visit a doctor anonAlso I don't think this is a thing that can be cured, and it's totally fine but I could be wrong, again visit a doc
>>7934371A trick I've used is to draw the pose from both a front view and a profile view beside each other so you can compare them and see what overlaps.
>>7934456I kinda tried that, I only have one issue which is I can't make up exactly how much of the lower torso is visible and how much of the upper part above the bellybutton is covered by the breast who are tilted forward hiding it
>>7934441Move the arms around, change facial expressions, vary the angle more (from above or below), have the character interact with an object.
>>7934424it's a meme
>>7934397Thanks. I know Jane looks fucked but it adds to the eerie look that I wanted so I’m cool with it. >>7934402That’s fair. At a certain point you have to get good at identifying where you stand though
>>7934450Don't listen to the pharmacy jew. I bet you don't even need any pills and they only make things worse.
>>7934393You've obviously never taken a class or mentorship before.
>>7934476Why would I? I'm not a cuck. I don't look up to anyone.
>>7934480this is quintessentially freudian. did you not look up to your father because he was cucking you by fucking your mother?
Thoughts? On the pose, proportions, expression, everything.
>>7934476Hey speaking of mentorships, I'm assuming you've taken one or more before. How were they? Did you feel a greater improvement than when you were drawing by yourself? Was it worth the money? Please tell me about it.
>>7934487>believes in jewish psychoanalysisno wonder you are a cuck
>>7934495oh no im just calling you an incestuous angloid for being sexually possessive over your motheranyway back to drawing. heres a study of repin i did a bit back
>>7934491Arms are too straight and symmetrical, really common mistake that makes arms look bad. Look for a similar ref and pay attention to how the upper/lower arm are angled relative to each other and also the asymmetry of the individual muscles
Blocked drawabox, proko, amazon, youtube, tiktok, and quora from my search engine. Fuck these sites for clogging my search results with useless clickbait bullshit and course advertisements anyone know any good obscure blogs and sites with interesting to the point information on improving?
>>7934502>obscure BLOGSgurney journey, maybe slynyrd, saint11, perhaps slawek fedorczuk's stuff if it's still up. you're asking for a lot there anon
>>7934491First impression is good but I think it's a little bit weird that her right arm is under the boob while the left is over it.
>>7934492It depends. The few mentorships I have taken, I can say they were worth every penny and literally changed my entire approach to drawing, painting and designing. It also gave me far faster gains than my usual method of trying stuff myself and with friends and opened my eyes to a clear path forward. I think the biggest thing was that:1) You have an actual structure to your learning way you spend your drawing time every week. This also helps with staying mot2) Guaranteed feedback from someone who is already doing exactly what you want to do or doing similar work on a level you want to reach. Their experience can quickly dispel any bad habits or wrong beliefs/practices that may be holding you back with your art goals, allowing you to progress quickly and consistently. This is something very difficult to do by yourself.3) If you keep getting better you actually get recommended by the instructor for work with them or other clients, and if it's a group mentorship the other students will remember you and keep you in mind for hiring.I've had a few bad ones, but entirely due to the teacher refusing to actually paint over any of the students work and only having 30 minutes per person. What you need is a 1on1 apprenticeship style 1-2 hour thing or system to submit multiple drawings for detailed review.
>7934411>7934322>7934294>7934270>7934257>7934203>7934175I like (had to remove (you)s because of spam detector)>>7934195I don't feel the form of her butt, it looks 2D. Also her arm is tiny? The face looks good though.
>>7934411niceu, very goodwhat pen?
>>7934500So you're saying they should bend outwards a little, right?>>7934509Yup, caught that a little after I posted. Thank you.
>>7934362I thought the whole point of spamming timed gestures is to burn the proportions into your mind? I mean it's nice if you end up with a pretty gesture drawing but it doesn't seem like a worthy end in and of itselfFor example I keep fucking up sight-reading the pelvis and hips. I know I ought to be just doing gesture and anatomy but I can have fun polishing the occasional turd
>>7934511Yeah I've been meaning to try a mentorship because everybody says just about the same things you did. Where did you get yours? If you don't mind me asking. Like, which artist/website? Unless it was local.
>>7934525>I thought the whole point of spamming timed gestures is to burn the proportions into your mind?more so that you're learning how to quickly judge proportions and bodies, and to quickly determine what is right and wrong. you'll be faster at putting down the correct line the first timedo study some anatomy, though. your polish isnt stunted by gesture, just by lack of anatomical knowledge so far. her ass is sooooo fucking long its the yoko ono ass
Fucked up on her left arm and the entirety of the stomach and crotch. Face didn't turn out the way I hoped either. Is construction the only way to get better at figures? Rn I'm blindly putting down lines where it feels like they should be and then doing a shitton of revision. But my figures never carry the same emotion the originals have.>>7934322Great painting. I feel like it would be elevated with a few background elements.
>>7934534my guy rocking that habsburg protracted jaw, his lips are excaping his face
>>7934530Lmao thanks anon, I'm sorta torn between overlaying the ref at every step vs. trying strictly to train my eyes>quickly determine what is right and wrong. you'll be faster at putting down the correct line the first timeDefinitely what I'm looking for
Studying gesture lately. On the right a failed 3rd attempt from memory.>>7934534I started to think to the "you look lonely" meme.
>>7934515All just HB pencil
>>7934554nta, but how an HB pencil is that black?
>>7934559Some brands are way more black than others, the H-B grading scale isn't actually standardized across manufacturers
>>7934553why did you turn her into a hog
Messed up the nose in the first 3 minutes and had to live with it. Pen is a harsh mistress.
>>7934569i would work on shading i kind of get lost in the dress and under it, hard to understand the lower half
>>7934571Thanks for the tip. Haven’t really tried to learn much shading yet, my line work and form have been my main problems thus far. It’s a crumpled up bathrobe, should maybe have just simplified the lower half because there’s so many folds and shadows in the ref.
Im' a bad artist, but without reference I cannot draw a SINGLE FUCKING THING. I can't draw anything. How worthless and beginner level am I/
>>7934569Hnnggg! B-best in the thread...!!!
using grids now for better accuracy.>>7934406I'd say look for the elements you like in other peoples' work that draws your interest. If you like the linework, the use of light, etc. Focus on copying those things. I would do a direct copy from a work, then try to implement my own drawing with those same elements. the image you're showing looks like tutorials, so take what they teach and apply them in context.>>7934428super cool, though that background structure being tangent with the sword hilt messes up the composition. pretty easy fix if you just paint a little of that sky color around the hilt towards the cape.>>7934597I agree, I can definitely see that>>7934007very cool work anon. it's nice seeing you build this up over a couple of threads.
>>7934498nice curves
Finished.>>7934250You said you're a /beg/ but I don't buy it. If you had something finished you'd probably come across as /int/.
>>7934579drawing from imagination is a meme IMOthe only people that do it well are people that have been drawing for 10+ years consistentlyeveryone else i know of uses refs for everything
>>7934622"Drawing from imagination" is really just drawing from memory, which is something you can (and probably should) practice from the start
>>7934622I have always been good at drawing from imagination. To me it's the only way to really have fun with drawing. It's definitely harder to get into, but it's not like only experts can do it. You will just have to start with a more simple style most likely.
Hey guys i am back with another piece for critique. Trying to improve line work with this one, accentuating shadows and overlaps, i am not sure if i got it right but i think it looks ok. There are a whole load of constructions that i deleted while drawing this so i cant show that unfortunately. Also does the face look ok? I know people say draw little and let the brain fill in the rest but i cant tell how for the face. :3 thanks in advance
>>7934610Thanks. I like my Bridgman studies like I like my women
>>7934462well its a bust so just neck up, no hands/arms
>>7934655look for more than just lines, shadows make shapes too, and negative space, find implied lines
>>7934200>Skulls are good observational drawing practice for beginners. They're not.The purpose of skull drawing is to be able to imagine them underneath the drawing of a face you're working on, as Robert Beverly Hale mentions in his book. This isn't something /beg/ can do because it's way too early for them to start superimposing anatomy in their drawings. Thus, as I said, any improvement from drawing skulls was purely from an observational drawing standpoint which could've been done with literally anything else that's easier than skulls, particularly: anime faces.I've tried your advice of drawing skulls multiple times and each time was frustrated by how difficult it was. This is from experience, I'm not just disregarding your advice about skulls based off of nothing.Anyway, you seem to have trapped yourself in a corner again.If you think that these:>>7934183>>7934622>>7934170>>7934098aren't an improvement from my past drawings (see pic related), then you've only proven my point about you being a crab.You shouldn't have said:>and I don't craband>Stop giving advice to people until you've improved. Because you've just trapped yourself.You only have one of two options:>1. Be a crab by saying there is no improvement (despite this being obviously false; thus proving yourself wrong)>2. Concede that there IS improvement (thus proving yourself wrong as well; and that there may be truth to my points)There are a few more flaws in your argument but I'll give you a breather here.
>>7934667Yes they are lmao. As a beginner you should be drawing lots and lots of skulls. It’s how you master the head from different perspectives and gain knowledge of the anatomy. It is something a beg can do because a beg can draw. Being a beg doesn’t mean you don’t or can’t draw certain things, it just means you’re worse at it. And you say that you you want to draw anime faces. Well guess what’s beneath an anime face?
>>7934673>Well guess what’s beneath an anime face?>he doesn't know
>>7934675I should’ve known!
>>7934673Don't encourage him, he's a just a troll/crab
>>7934665not the requester, but this is helpful. thank you
>>7934675>hurr all anime styles are the same
>>7934675I'm pretty sure that character design was mainly popularized by Satoshi Urushihara. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.
HELP ME I CANT DRAW FACES!!!!!!!!!!!
>>7934319I don't remember there being any particularly difficult parts but then again I did drawabox first and dropped it after I finished the 250 cylinders thing
>>7934717I got through it. I just had to pay extra attention to how he was moving the pencil, lolgot a bit overwhelmed though; ended up quitting after an hour. still ngmi
>>7934713Faces are one of the most complex parts of the human body. Do sessions focusing on drawing only faces in whichever style you prefer and you'll get the hang of it.
>>7934713Study the skull and study from life
>>7934713Start with the glabella, the triangular bone between the eyebrows
>>7934718Don't drop it entirely though. I genuinely think it's one of the best resources for beginners
>>7934723ill never draw juicy boobies like those. i should just die
drew my wife the fourth mirror
>>7934725I wont. Just wish I had more stamina sometimes it just feels so aimless, and when I doodle in an attempt to cure boredom it all looks like shit and wastes space on the paper which discourages me even more :/
>>7934733What are you doodling? I’d suggest drawing random objects around your house or anywhere really, just to develop a better sense of 3D space. It’s probably the most important skill a beginner can improve. And even if it does end up looking like shit you're actually getting gains in your observation skills
>>7934675ANIME LOVERS ARE INTO BEASTIALITY.
>>7934741well thats unfair some of them are also into children
>>7934741based
>>7934723Address the allegation>>7934741
>>7934750disclosure day soon
>>7934754>>7934675Day ruined.
Doodle
>>7934675this is a meme btw
>>7934766Very nice!
When I draw I feel like a baby kitten abandoned by its mother. All my brothers and sisters are better, receiving all the attention and love. I will wither and die.
>>7934723AYYYYY
>>7934786it's time to post your work
>>7934786did you like what I drew
>>7934792
>>7934796I'll agree with him.Without work posted, this is just a sperg
Each of them took me 10 minutes. I'm seeing dudes draw a whole figure with features and shit in the same amount of time. I think we're cooked chat
>>7934795im just messing aroundthat one face is skewed, youre good at lineart bad at consistent geometry
heres a study of gotch. i'm not looking for an accuracy gauge hence not putting the ref alongside it, the drapery is folded differently and I didn't want to follow it too closely. I'm interested in hearing what reads well and what reads poorly. I stared at it too long so I can't tell if there's any unfortunate tangents or if I overdid some area to the detriment of others>>7934800do quicker timed sketches. try 90 or 120 seconds. 10 minutes is too much for something like that for now.
>>7934801I used this for the face btw
>>7934807yeah you really cant see that yours has a different form, that or you just dont care, i remember someone redlining your face and you just told him to fuck off cus you meant it that way
>>7934810>told him to fuck offdid the crabs in your head told you this?where did I say that
>>7934778Thanks anon
>>7934803Yeah. I don't even remember where everything is supposed to be located kek. I think I'm gonna stick with 1 minute. Thanks!
I stoped drawing there years ago I know I ws never goin f be goood \
>>7934498extremely bad and gross looking
>>7934822same and i dont even find it fun. i just do it cause it's better than doomscrolling
>>7934807i always knew they were copies , called it on day 1 amigo, too obvious.
>>7934829The ones I post on socials are not copies, that would be dumb and easily detectableAlso, what's wrong with studying other people's work for learning purposes?
>>7934855Thanks!
No responses today at all. I'm waiting for someone to formally relieve me from "trying to get good at drawing" duty. This is war.
I want to kms rg. Got no responds at all at least say "keep it up" or "draw more" something. This deep slience from here is killing me inside.
>>7934867>>7934879(Yous) dont make you a better artist, only drawing does.
>>7934879You guys are really that starved for attention? Do you think you should put more efforts in your posting? maybe ask questions or try to engage with others?It's kind of sad, kid.
an attempt was made3 face angles, 20 minutes each
>>7934690quite literally most of your gooner animeslop has the same shoujo aesthetic, yes. all you guys are closeted faggots and trannies. MANga is the real deal
>>7934655use better references. low quality, bad lighting, bad pose, mid, caked up plastic girl
>>7934923Great attempt. Study construction and some facial anatomy and you'll see good progress
saying anything bad about anime is THE BEST BAIT in here.
Can you guys recommend resources on how to render digitally?
>>7934823You sound jealous
taste can be acquired, stop eating the slop and eat a real meal. learning well also means using good material to study from, be inspired by and not some low res bullshit online whore coombait. this also comes down to everything else you do. read better comics/manga, watch better animes, better movies and better shows. read better books. you want to improve? start with yourself first. now i dont want to hear any complaining about me not helping you faggots. get back to work (on yourself)
>>7934598you tend to make the nose and midsection too long. try to focus on your mistakes to avoid them in the future, get the dinks out, because youre already getting close. both their faces have the same issue here, which would improve easily if the noses were accurate. i used to do the same thing and always a watch out for that now. sometimes it still sneaks past me, but recognizing it is as important as fixing it, if not more. keep it up
>>7934930i explained to you how homogenized and feminized most popular anime is. every modern game has the same female centric style. you cant even try and reply, because you know i'm right. put down the soilent when speaking to me.
she failed the horizontal flip test.
>>7934975Deltoid muscles wrap up to the attachment.
I have a vague remembrance of a screencap of a post. I'm 90% sure it was a Gundam head as the image on it and the post was something like "my teacher taught me something: that unless you have good taste you will never be able to make good art, if you have shit taste, no matter how good your drawing skills are, your art will be shit, because your taste is shit, good taste is the most important thing to have with creative endeavors".Does anyone know which screencap I'm talking about?
>>7934986"taste" can mean a lot things but it's been described to me as a compositional skill to know when enough is enough, to balance details with simpler areas, and to know where the eye is drawn in an image.
>>793499060,20,10 rule works in pretty much every context.
Your art look bad and you don't get Bridgman at all.
my gf ghosted me
damn... any alternatives?
Gunna finish this when I get home.Decided to choose a hard one with more lines than I usually go for.Feel like I'm starting to get a little faster at doing these.>>7934713Even Feng Zhu says faces are like super hard mode. Obviously if you're a beginner it's going to be very hard. The reason most /beg/ artists quit isn't even because they can't draw but because they always try to draw the MOST DIFFICULT subjects first without knowing how to draw anything else. That's fine if you have the mental fortitude but if you're an adult and still draw like a child then it's going to be rough.>>7934722Skulls are only useful once you can draw a believable face already. If you can't even draw in general, grinding skulls will only be frustrating and have little ROI when drawing faces. I say this as a /beg/ that tried grinding skulls and didn't improve at drawing faces at all. They're useful, I'm sure, just not for beginners.(Removed rant about the difference between advice that is helpful for /int/ and advice that is helpful for /beg/.)>>7934754nonononono
>>7935011refalso, yes i see the two lines going across the hair being completely off, i rushed those instead of just taking a break
>>7934145Me in the middle :)>>7934159Very nice hatching.>>7934830They are jealous of you anon>>7934975What with the disconnected lines?
What do guys favorite medium to color?i mean pretty much everyone here is using digital tablets.
I tried fixing them
>>7935021Look better than before. >>7935021Is this still su>>7935021nk cost to you?
Is painting harder than drawing?
>>7934932ctrl+paintChristophe YoungMarco Bucci
>>7935033Thanks
>>7935018>>7935026For me painting is harder. In fact, I have never paint before.
>>7935033Thanks!
>>7935026in general, yes. painting is contains most of drawing plus more so it's more complex.to draw you need to abstract things into lines, so painting is easier for people that really struggle with that.some artists are much better at painting than they are at drawing but that's the exception, not the norm
What is the point in doing gesture drawings every single day? I seen even pro artists do that
>>7935026Drawing is harder than painting. You can fake a good painting, but you nerver can fake a good sketch.
>>7935044To warm up before painting, drawing of course.
>>7935046what
>>7935044You internalize the natural rhythm and mechanics of the body. It's also a really good way to warm up the part of your brain that's responsible for visual logic and language
>>7935044It's like a speed bag in boxing. You drill it to feel things intuitively. The better you get, the more you can get from the warm up. As a beginner gesture drawing can feel pointless and stupid, but as your understanding of form and lessons on values, anatomy, etc start to sink in, your gesture drawing warm ups evolve alongside you. If you keep at it, at some point you'll be like, damn, I get why everyone says it's part of their warmup routine.
>>7935036Some Morpho copies.
>>7935059what morpho book?
>>7935045People have affinities towards things. Some people are better at drawing than painting and vice versa and they will find the opposite to be more difficult. You need both. This whole dick measuring contest about linefags vs rendermonkeys is such a retarded conversation when you need to get good at both to be one a high level artist. I'm convinced whenever someone shits on the other it's because they're actually ass at it and it's a case of sour grapes.
>>7935062Morpho joints. I am making my way through the Morpho books.
>>7935044>>7935021This reminds me that I probably need to start doing this if I'm gonna draw a comic, my stuff is too static
Help meemeeI downloaded a lot of books and courses now I feel sooo overwhealllmeds reeeeeereeeeeeWhat i doo
I can't draw the other eye FVARKKKK. And that hand is an eldritch abomination
>>7934175Lines look bad and lazy. >that's intentional No it's not. You're just lazy.
>>7935090That is most basic meme ever. That eye shit meme is very low quality.
hmm
is making it in OP a good thing...?>>7935090If I struggle with the other eye, I'll draw a straight line that indicates the bottom and top of both eyes. The rest is just erasing until it works. Grid Drawing has honestly helped my intuitive sense of proportion. Not grinding them but doing them once in a while as a warm up.>>7935086Courses are a sham desu.
>>7935098>is making it in OP a good thing...?i pick the drawings that feel the most iconic, even if they're not the best. your art caught my eye>Courses are a sham desu.don't feed the hysterics too much they get rowdy
>>7935098Not really. I got a course from an Arabic girl once who draws anime and it was very eye opening. She just showed her drawing process, it wasn't even a real course. It's clear she had no conscious grasp of the fundamentals, it was all intuitive. She was Arabic or something idk her accent
>>7935094Wish I was joking. I think I fucked up the head construction cause it didn't work no matter how I adjusted it. I was too lazy to make big changes at that point cause I didn't wanna redraw the hair haha>>7935098Yeah. I think my sense of proportion is also kind of fucked. I'll try that. Thanks!
>>7935098This is crazy he actually improving.
>>7935097loved these two and lady bow.. would feel like warm marshmallow I reckon
The worst part of drawing for me is coming up with a new idea between projects ugh…
>>7935135anime girl
>>7935144in a white void
>>7935144>>7935149sneed
Warmup. I know my lines are bad, just trying to gradually improve them. I don't think skulls are that hard, but then they're one of the few things I actually tried to draw a few of as a kid/blog
>>7935158skulls arent hard but holy shit thats a long one. look at a real skull, that's crystal skull dimensions there
>>7935059Morpho faces are ugly as sin
>>7935159Ugh yeah. I have a really bad habit of making everything too wide. I can't even blame it on the tablet, it happens on vertical paper too
>>7934158While studying will make you accumulate knowledge, I think making actual pieces is a separate skill you also need to learn through doing finished art.Like personally, I also practiced and studied mostly and always felt like my actual art was just lacking.But since I've started focusing on making finished things for the past 1.5 weeks I feel like every piece lets me unlock more of the latent knowledge I've accumulated over the year of studying I did before. >>7934218Having the sideview next to it will help you keep proportions and placement of features, but being able to accurately draw a 3/4 view will require at least some studying of faces, and ideally some knowledge of construction.>>7934226Mostly the love of the game, but recently also that feeling of gaining thousands of twitter likes>>7934378even ignoring the feedback part, while not necessary to improve, having people hype you up just feels good and will probably help motivate you>>7935044Warmup and building up intuition. The human body and its movements are so complex you will still learn new stuff even 100000 gestures in
>>7935018didnt know you swung that way
People here get likes?
>>7935183If you draw art that a large account will retweet (i.e. vtuber fanart) it's practically guaranteed
>>7935184>vtuber fanartSoulless.
>>7935188Sure. I'm having fun and that's enough for me
>>7935190Blog?
>>7935026Depends. Thick paint like oil and gouache are extremely forgiving if you work in layers (wet on dry). It's much easier to carve out forms with big brush strokes than it is to capture a form cleanly with line only. You also gain plausible deniability with paint as errors tend to look more expressive and intentional as opposed to drawing where mistakes usually look like shit. For translucent paints like watercolor or gouache with a lot of water, you need to be good at both drawing and painting.
>>7935182>didnt know you swung that wayyou couldn't tell by all the bara stuff he draws?
>>7935182>didnt know you swung that way:+)
>>7935183Do you see any pro around here? You will only get insults and indifference here. Don't waste your time in this shithole.
>>7935200Everyone draws muscular men on ic
>>7935212I gotta be the only one ITT with an adult woman fetish I stg
>>7935213Faggot.
>>7935212nuh uh.
>>7935215No u
>>7935026They’re both challenging in their own ways, neither is harder than the other imo. That’s like asking if basketball is harder than football
>>7935026>harderNothing is "hard" when you know what you're doing.
Drew for 3 hours only to end up making garbage. This is genuinely depressing
This took so long it's fucking embarrassing.Used a base as ref rather than copying an anime screenshot. I need to do these more often, it forces me to actually think about what looks good rather than relying on my reference.>>7935100>don't feed the hysterics too much they get rowdy>:)>>7935101I think the key phrase here is:>it wasn't even a real courseDorian Iten's Accuracy Guide isn't a "course" but it was still a very helpful way of doing observational drawing.Maybe one day someone will come up with a course that is actually useful for beginners, but I've tried all of the ones I could find and they were either too boring, frustrating, or fast to be useful.>>7935105np!I personally do them with fine liner/brush pen. That forces me to REALLY take my time and actually measure proportions rather than throwing half-assed lines down with pencil. But I would do it whichever way you prefer.>>7935120There is no such thing as a permanent beginner, it's an /ic/ meme by crabs to justify them quitting.
>>7935259post it anonegro
>>7935134peak gaming
>>7935259Now draw for 3 more hours and make something slightly less garbage!
>>7935260base i used as a refi think people use bases to trace them if im not mistaken
>>7935262Fine>>7935269Truvth nvke
>>7935276
>>7935278printing this and putting it on my fridge
>>7935278what did he mean by this
>>7935144>>7935149alright
>>7934116
>>7935209I’m not pro now but I will be eventually
>>7935278Just realized how my own drawing was damn>>7935287Thank u>>7935289It's called stylization
>>7935260Did you read the (Hardcore) sticky? Is there any gemmy stuff?
>>7935091randXXX.png drawings are the ones i make using the touchpad so the lines don't get much better than that
me stupid and don't get the "gestures" of the head
Anyone else feel like using the liquidfy tool a /beg/ trap?
>>7935389I still have no idea how I'm meant to use it at all. If one of my lines is fucked I usually just redo it
>>7935389No but I think blending modes are.
>>7935412I do that too half the time. But mainly I only use liquidy to reset the form because it went slanted. Then it leads to lines being redrawn anyways. But it helps me set myself back.>>7935429Like when people just do a trick with the layers or whatever? I think Mulitply is a /beg/trap.
>>7934616more like high/beg/ or mid/beg/ but never the /int/. I wasted many years doing courses, tutorials, and books, and that drained my soul. I am afraid to make finished drawings because I know it will be soulless and weird.>>7935212I don't draw men.
>>7935389I feel dirty using it or select tool in general.
>>7935389I unironically only uses G-pen and eraser
>>7935389I use watercolor.
>>7935432Yeah exactly, thinking there's some trick or perfect combination of blending modes that can make your art look right or compensate for not knowing how to pick colors.
>>7935387wtf? head is just bones there is no gesture.
>>7935454yes but also this
>>7935389Not really, but ideally you eventually shouldn't need to use it at all. Liquify is seriously goated for tweaking drawings and experimenting, it's an essential tool to learn if you're going to do digital as a beg.
>>7935467where is this from
>>7935471steve huston
>>7935472book?
>>7935443Low int fundies mid beg appeal.
>>7935478figure drawing for artists
>>7935482now this goes into my vault
>>7935292a box for ribcage? I do a egg.
>>7935263I WANT KILL MY SELFFF GOD YOU MF GODGOD I NEED YOU HELP ME GODDDD MY EYESSS
I know I'm beating a dead hooker with a stick right now. I still hate it. I might work on it more when I get home.>>7935355The hardcore sticky doesn't come across to me like someone who actually did what they're telling people to do. It looks more like a, "this seems useful; logically.">>7935443this: >>7935479Learn to appealMAXX
>>7935502i mean it's an orb with pussy
>>7935504>no irl orb pocket pussywhy even live?
>>7935504I will never open /ic/ again
Art is useless. It misleads everyone from the truth, but never the other way around. I can call Artists "liars".
>>7935525Alan Moore says that writers (or artists) have the ability to change people's perspective. That's not really lying.
>>7935504still better than 90% of the r34 of these characters (low bar but nevertheless). the liquid inside and speech bubble fx are pretty kino and the style is cute and expressive. just please never draw my son kirby
>>7935532How do you know whether the perspective that you're given is true or false? The only reason and logic can show the way. ART is the easiest and fastest way to spread misleading information. It is lying, artist can trick people using emotions to manipulate them into believing in things they want.
>>7935545>How do you know whether the perspective that you're given is true or false?spiritual discernment>artist can trick people using emotions to manipulate them into believing in things they want.yes, but it doesn't mean it's all a lie, it just means that the possibility is thereit's like a weaponit can be used for good or for eviljust because it can be used for evil doesn't make it bad
>>7935545>ART is the easiest and fastest way to spread misleading informationtiktok and cable news seem to be more effective, really
>>7935500Box is hot
>>7935548>spiritual discernmentthat don't work with the biases humans have>yes, but it doesn't mean it's all a lie, it just means that the possibility is therethat people will suffer if they don't use proper reasoning to find the truth instead of relying on emotions. not all lies, but why risk of getting tricked?>it's like a weapon>it can be used for good or for evil>just because it can be used for evil doesn't make it badNo, it's like a virus that spreads among the world population, as I said, people cannot tell if the message coming from this writing/art is true or not; they need to use reasoning instead of listening to poetry. >>7935559memes/reaction images can spread misinformation faster than any news media.
another attempt was made. 3 faces across 22 minutes eachI feel like she looks more like a woman as I moved further left, where as at the beginning she looked like an oblivion high elf
not really feeling the mojo recently but heres a collection of sketches
>>7935578fucker go to the mecha general
>>7935571just kill yourself at this point you're not improving at all.
>>7935566holy shit why are you posting this /beg/ bait here? You thought we would fall for this?
>>7935571Left is hot, would. Overall getting more of an old-school fujo vibe than a tranny one.
>>7935587>>7935571We know you're just self-replying to your own post.
>>7935571>tranny codedI'm not precisely sure what this means in the context of visual art but my oldtroon instincts are telling me no. I feel like your girls are pretty cute, kinda 80's Gundam vibes. but your stuff always feels stiff and flat. do you do any construction/sketch or just go straight to doodle?wow, a lot of people posted while I was typing all this shit. I'll send it anyway
>>7935599No need to worry about that, I will tell you to kys every time you post here.
>>7935599use a colored pencil and chroma key it out, similar to how non-photo blue used to be used. or be a lazy faggot lul idc
>>7934939yep. I typically get some piece of the proportions wrong even with a grid. I'm gonna keep grinding them out for a bit. They are fun to do and I'm learning quite a bit about texture that eluded me when I focused typically on contour. thanks for the crit anon.
>>7935585idk what you're talking about. I'm a beginner and posted my attempts at artwork
>>7935477>>7935467>>7935503>>7935504>>7935562blogposters
>>7935624No doubt this is a bait. this is how these bait work>post beggest looking drawing>ask for critiquethis is a common thing in here.
>>7935621>>7935615>>7935578>>7935571>>7935566more blog posters
>>7935629>>7935625 thanks for the (You) I love you man your my only fan
>>7935627no I am actually a beginner.
>>7935621I am begging you to cease unappealmaxxing and autismmaxxing before it's too late
>not even called out by the blogschizoit's fucking OVER
new bread>>7935638>>7935638>>7935638>>7935638>>7935638
>>7935639>page 3>barely 100 imagesseriously delete that thread and kill yourself
>>7935639way too early
>>7935639>page fucking 3oh my god KILL YOURSELF
I don’t like drawing spooky but spooky references are so good for learning shading and values. Post spookies
>>7935639tooooooooo early but whatever
>>7935639wtf is this nigger doingis this the new strat to kill this general?
>>7935629whats your point with this
>>7935504this is fucking hot.i fucking hate you though. i wish I could draw like this, minus8 impersonator
>>7935639Based newfag retard
I AM AUTISTIC HOW DO I DRAW
>>7935639Fucking kek. Absolutely based.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7935625uhh thanks bro big fan
>>7935566youre symbol drawing. pick up loomis or watch proko digest loomis and learn construction. unlearn the symbols, anon
>>7935477>leave him alone dude
>>7936268wat
>>7936277>leave her alone dude
>>7935562Where can I masturbate to more of your work?Sore o watashi ni kudasai!
I'm took a somewhat break from drawing and came back to it. I always struggles finding liking my body proportions, trying to do them like Fairy Tail but with more meat.
>>7936282oh accurate kek
First sketch in like 8 months feels good to draw again
Succubus comforting a boy. Would you guys follow my Instagram if I posted it on here. It's booyah666. Lane Aurentz is my name.
