If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, over-analyzing schizos, retards that whine about how hard drawing is or talent debates and instead focus on posted works!>Post Your Work>STICKY:New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QHardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewHardcore (working link): https://hackmd.io/@ArtStudies/rJxNW6aonHardcore (wayback archive):https://hackmd.io/@0uRfwdEoRDiHFz9wibb5sA/ry8nyys6-lCompleted(short):https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jUeG8UTwDAK8WGC4f79IlBGIAGVipfHvo48RF5Xgxyc (sus discord server don't join)Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/vieww/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/>WHERE to get study materials>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From LifePrevious thread: >>7993093
>>7996227Today’s anatomy practice - movement
>>7996225
THE REAL(BASED) THREAD CHALLENGE
>another dogshit pornsick thread "challenge"
I've been putting off drawing because it's really annoying to make anything using this broken monitor, but the urge keeps me pushing on.
>>7996242Yeah, frog and cat was better.
where is the real thread challenge?
coomgods: draw and improvetroonoids: seethe and stay permabeg foreverI'M NOTICING
Thread challenge: draw this in your style
realest real thread challenge
Check it out VIRGINS I noticed you didn't put my fucking boxes from the last thread into the new collage and that's because you're AFRAID. Well I got some new boxes for you bitches!!! Read em and weep lmao
I added more! I'll have a castle soon and you dweebs will have to crown me king of /beg/ hah
>>7996265>>7996262Ok but how am I supposed to jerk off to this?
sacrificial piece for last thread, but I was 1 minute too slow and now its just garbage for this one :(>>7996256meh
*sigh*i melted down and said i would leave forever but have some more kemono slop. the ride never ends. roast me, sisters.
also i tried the thing where you flip the reference upside down and it made things look worse somehow.
>>7996256two interpretations
Will finish tomorrow.
>>7996275very handsome crab
>>7996269*ahem* that nose?
>>7996275Unironically that Mr. Crabs has meme potential.
>>7996275Handsome krabs?>>7996267I like it. Very ed Edd and eddy esque
>>7996279unfortunately, women sometimes have noses. i did what i could.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7996277i like it. i bet it will look great when it's done.
>>7996285Are you female?
>>7996287oh, women, always screaming hysterically for no apparent reason.
>>7996262>>7996265To the future Box-King of /beg/, I humbly offer some stairs for your castle.
>>79962843dpd
>>7996291incels have the craziest standards
>Ignored againJust because I didn’t post in the last thread doesn’t give you the right to not include my art in the collage you cocksucking nigger faggot retard.
>>7996293my little jank-ass pear got in.
>>7996294NTA but I've tried to force myself to not see it as failure. I'm not part of the "in" group, never have been, and never will be. It's just the way it is.
Looking for critique on this angle and these butt cheeks. Thanks.
trying something new>>7996227cliqueGODS eating good, didnt make it in this time, thats alright ill just dm the OP on discord and make a reservation>>7996295holy COPE, you're just not good enough to be part of the club lil bro!
>>7996296It looks like the ass is protruding over the waistband which seems odd. Maybe depicting the pants loosely around there would help? I like the angle and pose.
>>7996299I guess what I was going for works best with skinny jeans, not baggy jeans. I duplicated the layer from before I squished the ass in case it looked retarded.
i need to figure out how to make my art cleaner. it always comes out so rushed and sloppy looking.
>>7996304Making several rounds of redrawing then a final round of vectored lineart tends to help me.
>>7996304my artwork looked quite clean after I started sketching with a very thin brush
I tried a more challenging pose but something feels off, any advice?
Looking for feedback on coloring. Starting with a simple cell shaded look because I like how that looks, but feel like maybe I'm keeping it too simple/plain.Like with mini painting I probably need to push the contrast more huh?
>>7996306>>7996308i tend to just rush right through to the final product instead of fixing my mistakes. need to put more effort in.
>>7996296>>7996303DONT fucing listen to him, theres nothing wrong with squishing the ass, it doesnt matter that the pants themselves are baggy, the waistband needs to be tight for them to stay on PLUS she's holding it tighter anyway
why do light eyed people have "that" stare and how do i avoid it
>>7996316wypipo be havin' psychic powers and shiet like the children in village of the damned
>>7996316I have hazel brown eyes but my optometrist called them light eyes and it made me feel good about myself
>>7996316its just gonna look like thathave you ever seen people with near white eyes irl? theyre freaky
the color rough, and an idea for a simple background
benis :DDDD
>>7996277How do I get started with getting good at boxifying figures?
>>7996316Wish there was more beg posts about faces, eyes looking unnatural also has been a common issue for me but maybe it's due to not drawing enough. Used your rightmost drawing for some reference, but your hair is way nicer.
>>7996340>>7996316>Used your rightmost drawing for some referencethe blind leading the blind
>>7996227Reading Drawing Comics the Marvel Way, would it be right to say that the chapter about action wouldn't necessarily apply if the comic was say, about a noir crime mystery?Like this, some of the static exaggerations are for heroic characters, while PI characters would naturally be more subtle in their poses, right? Would love to see if there's poses otherwise from characters that are more subtle and less heroic
>>7996355>Would love to see if there's poses otherwise from characters that are more subtle and less heroici.e. humans acting normally?
>>7996332the head looks too big, it's awkward
For the past few days I've been in this funk where I feel demoralized and I don't like anything I'm drawing right now. What do you guys do when you feel this way? Part of my issue is this feeling that even when I go hard and spend literal days on a drawing, it's still completely mogged by a random rough sketch from one of my favorite artists that they probably did in half an hour. I know "comparison is the thief of joy" and what not but it does feel like a punch in the gut when I spend like 20 hours rendering shit only to see a sketch of an anime girl with flat colors, a shadow and a couple highlights with some sketchy black lines on top standing in front of a white background, and thinking to myself "this is literally better than anything I've ever done in my entire life." (And of course, when I try to do the same thing it just looks like unfinished bullshit.)
>>7996365you ever likespend a bunch of time doing a sketch and refiningeven adding some colorand then you look at a sketch you did two weeks agoand you think>mogs me
>>7996360NTA but my friend has a dick that has a weirdly large head. Kinda weirds me out. His dick literally looks like he stole his penile tip off an eight incher and stuck it on his sub-5 inch girthlet dick. Anyway, not trying to argue your critique here. I just wanted to talk about my friend's weirdass dick.
>>7996227I really thought I'd make it into the OP this time. I must try harder.
>>7996310Big hands compared to face.
>>7996358This pose is screwing me because I can definitely see Spider-Man or whoever perched exactly like this, and I can't figure out how to make it more action as the book says.
>>7996369some good drawings get ignored and some bad get added in the collage in doesn't mean anything
>>7996372Yeah, like there were a few good frogs but the cube chimera got in instead lol.
can you post pixel art here or do you have to use the pixel art thread?
>>7996380Post it here. The "pixel thread" always dies quick and without much interaction at all.
>>7996365Take the feeling head on by shitting out pages of quick sketch studies for a few days. Turn on some music, set a timer for 15 minutes, and whether you finish when timer runs out or not just move on to the next. Embrace the /beg/ness, and try to have fun with it. Have a laugh at the utter garbage you'll be pumping out, even forced laughter can release endorphins
>>7996380Here's the pixel thread if you want to post it there >>7985496 But this anon >>7996383 is right though. If you seek some kind of consistent feedback the /beg/ general is the most active thread here.
the effort is fruitless>>7996330nice dont forget to give the shadows some color too
I drew this muscular girl
>>7994673PAGE 2 DONE. The last panel, the arm angle and foreshortening is quite forced, being restrained by the space left in the panel, but I think it looks good enough.>>7996221>New Pocahontas just dropped.he he, I think it kinda fits...>>7996209>7996210>Wtf are you drawing?>Wtf is this?Do you mean the duplication of the figures? If can duplicate figures, or flip them, I'll do it, I'll do whatever it takes to cut corners and get shit done. In this case I used the duplicated elven cuties as guides to draw new ones in the back. The male soldiers doesn't matter to me.>>7996403Holy fucking kino, I love your shit so much>>7996391Brownline anon? This is so freaking nice! Amazing composition style! She looks great already in the thumbnail!>>7996314SAVED!!!!>>7996296I really REALLY like this one!!! SAVED TOO!>>7996267I LOVE IT>>7996297Nice inking work!>>7996227THANKS OP!
>>7996277Wow these are great, the left one especially
>>7996380Any style of art here is fine
>>7996284>>7996269the angles are all off and you overemphasized the nose and eye, the original doesn't have such strong shadows on them
>>7996296post ref, this is obviously a copy
>>7996314Thanks for this>>7996432I honestly didn't use a reference.
>>7996412Its kinda fucked up that this sexual fantasy of yours involves women being threatened with lethal violence.
>>7996436People have MANY fantasies that are more fucked up than that
>>7996380Pixel Art is a niche medium on /ic/. You're better off on reddit for feedback.
>>7996440No one is better off on reddit for anything. You’ll just get bland hugbox feedback. Also any art critique subreddits they have are probably even slower than this place
>>7996436That's just standard female fantasy, sorry to break it to you>>7996442And yet again i kneel
>6 years of drawing.No results. Just be talented.
>>7996442BRAAAAAP
>>7996436Retard
>>7996444
>>7996437>>7996443>>7996448peril clique in full defence mode
>>7996459Yeah nigga, don't mess with us
>>7996459No I’m not in his clique. It’s just a fact that his art is very tame
>>7996468what the fuck are you people jerking off to
>>7996469Gay shota guro rape.
>>7996469Lately? Dronification, dollification, fembot semen extraction, etc
>>7996403blog?
did this recently and feedback would be appreciated>>7996383>>7996387>>7996428>>7996440thx anons, i'll see how it goes. reddit is not an option
>>7996450Talented Rats
>>7996330Impregnation. Loads of babies.
>>7996494It's ok. But the background is a soft gradient.
>>7996469Torture and hell simulations
>>7996487Deformed Loomis heads… home…
Drew a robit.
>>7996290You're the new king
is right any better than left? i spent more time eyeballing the angles and proportions.
>>799623410/10 would deliberately lose combat to
>>7996555you can get objective feedback for accuracy on your ownjust overlay the image(s) on the ref
>>7996566not even ballpark. i think it looks more like a human being but it's totally wrong. i need a better setup for sighting and measuring angles. my drawing is flat on a desk and my reference is up high on a tv. i'm still training my eye to see proportions and angles which is good, i guess.
>>7996444Do something more practical
>>7996316You should be grateful that you have conqueror's haki desu
sure is dead around here. back to drawing, i guess.
Only schnoz today.
>>7996494Lighting in the water is off, if the white lines are supposed to be glimmering sunlight then it should generally be in a sort of line originating from the sunset, I think. Said glimmer also shouldn't be in the part below the right rock pillar since it casts a shadow. Lighting in general is a bit off, actually, the rocks have highlights in the wrong direction and the highlights on the mountains are facing the wrong way. The roof of one of the houses is brown instead of reddish, not sure if that was intentional but if so it looks out of place. I think the forest would look a little nicer with one more shade of blue, it kind of looks like a blob otherwise. The water should be dyed orange by the sunset, realistically, but I suck with colours so I didn't include it. I like the windmill blades, they look noisy but not out of place, and especially like the rocks, they look natural and it's easy to make out what shape they are.Take everything I wrote with a grain of salt, I haven't drawn pixel in a very long time and was a beg even back when I used to dabble. Looks really nice and cozy overall, made me open aseprite after ages. And sorry if picrel looks rushed, I kept getting distracted by life and wanted to send this before heading to bed.
Thread challenge
>day 7 of the cognitive drawing memeI cheated by looking up a reference for more anime proportions of the head, the ones the author are giving felt wrong. I noticed that even for realistic proportions the hairline is too high.
>>7996510yep, skies are something i need to set aside some time for>>7996604thx anon i appreciate you taking the time, you've given me a lot of stuff to work with. i like your approach to the water, i'm going to try something like that
>>7996494>>7996604My own take
>>7996640this is better. water is not blue, water is reflective
>>7996256heehehwheh
>>7996293>racismspol is right here:>>>/pol/
>>7996608>"meme">shows noticeable improvement after doing it for only a week
>>7996663mmm pastry rolls
>>7996667isn't the top left character transi'd still plap her with my weeny
>>7996555>>7996577>>7996666The harbinger of digits.
>>7996663>>7996665lol
>>7996664how do you know, you haven't seen any of my past drawingsand this is a floating head, directly facing the camera, there's nothing easier than thatand by "meme" I don't mean it's necessarily badI'm calling it a meme because someone has been shilling this book a lot lately and I fell for it
>>7996669"Nonbinary"
Quick pineup slop
>>7996675
>>7996675you're exaggerating the proportions way too muchthe limbs are too thinthe gal on the left has one boob bigger than the otherthe legs and pelvis on the right seem to have perspective issues, unless she's twisting her torso but I can't tell
>>7996675they a bit lopsided and the small need better legs but I like it
>>7996673I've seen the other stuff you've posted from that book and that drawing looks significantly better than your previous attempts. I also just woke up so I might be full of itEither way it's good, keep it up
>>7996436>womenThose are elves, not humans.
How do I get into hide guy? His channel is a mess
>>7996694Just don't.
>>7996694His croquis playlist is pretty good
>>7996666quadsi tried a vector layer like that one anon suggested
>>7996696Drop the title man
>>7996701https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTY4AtphBe8PSqfXT4qfxwdbLgSK0XZ9v&si=0iZR8dMbCiFnd7AI
>>7996227
>>7996678>>7996681Noted. Perspective issue aside, i kinda wanna keep the limbs thin, ill double check on what better artists do for yhis kind of stylization.>>7996676I'm not sure but ill take that as a compliment lol
>>7996716>I'm not sure link there was not intentional.
>>7996640this looks great, thx anon
Uhhh
It's certainly not perfect but I'm calling it done
havent drawn much lately
>>7996756Can you draw a mech girl?
tried to go max effort on this one. a little less prebeg than usual maybe?
>>7996759youre symboldrawing the eyes. study the planes of the face
>>7996761will do. might be time to start drilling face and head construction.
>>7996759if I were you I would copy real women for a while until your drawings are accurate enough where you can overlay your them over your ref and there's no major differences
>>7996767i'll keep drawing from observation and hope my accuracy improves. i have a drafting table i can kind of use like an easel which would make finding diagonals, measuring, etc. easier. i really don't have a lot of space in my house to draw which kind of sucks.
>>7996774Handworm
>>7996782really nice work
>>7996227Today’s anatomy practice - hip movement
>>7996782there's such a range of color values that i fail to notice when painting like all of subtle the highlights on the black sleeves.
>>7996782You can tell the face is /beg/ but the whole thing is still pretty appealing despite that so good job
>>7996782Nice work, love the colors
>>7996782I'm mogged fuck why cant i draw
>>7996793if thats beg them im fucked, whats beg about it btw
what does it mean when everyone in the thread wants to use your references and mog you?
>>7996798it's slightly bogged but well beyond my current skills.
>>7996799Congrats on posting the only good reference for the past 20 threads, your art might be shit but your taste is not!
>>7996257okay ref>>7996412it's happening... another Peril comic. Looking excellent so far
"Never shade with black" is common advice and yet I notice a lot of professional artists shade with black, particularly in comic or video game works. (Pic related drawn by George Kamitani). Idk, I don't think it looks bad - what gives?
>>7996802i have special eyes for picking google images of cosplayershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fRuoMIfpw
>>7996805never shade with black comes from fine arts, especially oil.For entertainment art and industrial/production art it's fine.
>>7996579Another piece of useless advice.Another two hours wasted.
is having a dream of working in Japan as a character designer/key illustrator as an American worth having given how it's nearly impossible as a new artist? im only a few years into learning art but it feels like im just setting myself up for disappointment by having a goal like this
The results are ass, but the progress makes me happy. I spent a couple weeks trying to learn to draw back in '22, but lost interest after not feeling much improvement and forcing myself to exclusively draw stuff I didn't care about. Since coming back to drawing, I've felt pretty excited to draw each day. Only time will tell if I keep it up this time, though.I don't think I'm really symbol drawing anymore. Is it still a good idea to continue drawing by copying for most of my practice, or at this point is it better to move on to studying fundamentals, or something like that?
>>7996816thomas romain did it but he was a successful tv cartoon animator before he started getting gigs in japan
>>7996821would
>>7996817mogs me. i'm temped to use a posterize filter on my references to distill them down to just values. i struggle to mentally map the range of values i see to just a few.
>>7996818how about game dev stuff? im not really interested in animation unfortunately
>>7996814https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewpIvzTf8A
>>7996833toby fox befriended a bunch of famous japanese people, so, yeah, game dev could get you to japan.
>>7996824A tip that helped me was to blur your vision when looking at the reference. It helps block things out a bit. But a posterize filter seems like it would help a lot, too.
>>7996490@Eridhaaa333
>>7996824it's a bit of a crutch, but helps when starting outhttps://www.proko.com/values
>>7996840>>7996845i'll try posterizing. maybe i will stop symbol drawing eventually.
goon core
symbol drawing coming through
>>7996858Griffith
>>7996851kino
>>7996851>putting cockpit into vagenebut what if robit gets pragnent
>>7996816>You will live long enough to see zoomtards kill japan animation and japanIt's already happening, i don't really want to live in this gay ass planet anymore.
>>7996316Looks great
>>7996851
>>7996858at least you're awareI like the bearded guy
>>7996863Griffith doesn't have eyes in his hair that I know ofI'm also not really a fan of him bc he raped a womantwinks deserve getting raped, women don't>>7996873ty I think he's hotI like bearded guys and how sexy scratchy their facial hair can be
1hr study
>>7996851pretty cool idea for entering a mech. I always like the plugs that were used in NGE.
>>7996885Looks like an absolutely peak melodeath album from 2004
>>7996885Based Opeth enjoyer
>>7996814First things first you did the exercise wrong. Secondly no time was wasted if you were drawing.
I don't need your advice
>>7996442why can even a prebeg feel the form enough to make a passable rendering and I can'twhy does any combination of shadows I put down doesn't feel right. I'm spending hours on this. I just want to be able to make completed drawings to establish a baseline for myself to grow off of
>>7996885Damn I really like this, really atmospheric
>>7996805"shading" is a shit term, the shadow on the big fag's body is purple.
Sketch of a Scythian man. Ended up a little wonky but it was mostly a warmup
>>7996851holy moly - what an idea
Rough planning sketch
>>7996931cute
Cliques are stupidly and gay because you’re all stupid and gay. Fags.
>>7996945clique my balls
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7996958What is you talmbout?
warmin up
>his warmups are better than anything i’ve ever done in my lifewhy bother
>>7996945>>7996948Clique deez nutz
cause im a beg
gaze upon my masterpiece
>>7996977heh... rotate your neck kiddos
>>7996971>This is but a warmupFUCKING TALENTED FUCKING RAT.
>>7996971nice
>>7996979BUT HOW
>>7996976IM'MA SCHIZOOOOOWHAT THE HELL I'M DOING HEREI DON'T BELONG HEREEE
it's pretty hideous but it's the most accurate yet, i think...
whenever i feel like posting to this godforsaken board /alt/ is dead. that was the only place i liked posting to.
>>7996960THAT I AM FUCKING TALENTLESS. I CANT FUCKING IMPROVEI CANT D R A W
>>7996987cute
>>7996987
Grim. Almost everyone here is a third worlder.
>>7996991dank u
>>7996931tell me your secrethow do I achieve this level of sovl
>>7996971her thighs should overlap in the reference. i remember it well
>>7996986big improves, anon
>>7996994'murica still number one you chink chonk
>>7996999thank you. i will keep observing things using this method.
>>7996997Idk. It will probably have less ‘soul’ after I do a few more drafts
>>7996987hail satan
squash and stretch test>>7996971good work>>7996925great expression>>7996916why too complex too many pockets of light, beside that I think her ass should be stretching in that frame instead of squashing. >>7996885based opeth>>7996851best idea on thread
>>7996916cuz it feels like theres way too much>>7996851based
EASIEST cube of my life. Also, one of the most cube-looking cubes I ever cube'd.>>7996994I'm from Brazil, actually, not the USA.
i just remembered the fucking retard that thought that the abs were diamond shaped cause he's been cheating the anatomy by adding the obliques to make the same scuffed models over and over. Fuck that guy, what drawing by memory does to a retard brain.
I feel like i fucked something up somewhere but I'm not sure what
>>7997016Nice cube friend, Argentino here.
>>7996257
>>7996816Why don't you just work your way as an Indie artist? You live in the indie capital of the world.
>>79970243-0 LMAO, SUCK IT
>>7997023mouth is supposed to be 1/3 between the tip of the nose and the chin, starting from the noseI'll let you figure out the rest
Is it okay to have to try to draw something multiple times beFore getting it right or is it unreasonable to get angry for not getting it right then first time
>>7997044You aren’t always perfect on the first try? NGMI.
>>7997054That’s what I thought im will KMS
>>7997078dumb frogposter
>>7997078Replace liberals with permabegs
wish i didn't have to sleep so i could just draw whenever
wish i didn't have to draw so i could just sleep whenever
I want to finish the third page of my coomic but I'm tired and sleepy, I can make it.. I'll try my best
>>7997088Go to bed anon, no one will read it anyway.
Sleep... I didn't have to wish so I just draw whenever.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>7996931Still figuring it all out
>>7997078Why deleted?
>>7996330moving on from this one
>>7997100Not related to drawing
Haven't used ink in a while
>>7996756Nice, is that your own design?
This is one of my first attempts nat digital art so, please be kind!
>>7997163hey when making difficult poses like these? do you use boxes?
>>7997164oops, don't mind the first question mark
>>7997164Yeah. Used a reference for the pose, but using a box for the hips, for example, let me adjust them to my liking while keeping it in perspective (I'd post the ref but I'm not at my computer right now)
>>7997170so in this pose in particular do the boxes overlap?
Does anyone have the dorian iten light and shadow course?
>>7997172Yes
>>7997176ok sorry for asking so much but when working with boxes, how do i know shit like how the box overlaps and how much i tilt the angles and all of that talk? like is there a guide or tutorial? i just need to up my box game since i don't know how to add depth all the time
>>7997093The right girls' nose doesn't look like it's in the proper orientation.
>>7997126Keep going! Use every tool at your disposal.
>>7997103Art was created by and for politics since day 1 sweetie. At least it was until the mentally disabled lefties libs tried to turn it into a carebear echochamber but alas the troon era is already over.
>>7997194the person i know who likes this style of art most is a mentally ill woman
>>7997194>until the mentally disabled lefties libs tried to turn it into a carebear echochamberIronic choice of image, considering it was created by leftist libs.
>>7997200It's even funnier because the old leftists probably would've chopped off the balls and arms of every single modern leftard. Imagine seeing everyone around you die trying to recover a future that the rich stole, only for troons to turn the world into a hyper-overpopulated oligarchy where racial identity and ethnic groups slowly disappears. EL oh EL mayhaps the rich were right and the commonwealth had no right to choose their own future
>>7997028Angles are off. Do a sketch beforehand
>>7997023You made face flat. Face is not flat irl
>>7997194art was created because wild animals were fucking cool and painting with their guts was even cooler
>>7997163I don’t know why but you have that problem where it doesn’t actually look like she’s in perspective, it just looks like her legs are really tiny. Maybe you need to make the torso overlap even more, idk
>>7997205>Face is not flat irlUnless you're some kind of East or South-East Asian
>>7997213racist scumbag
>>7997213i'm 300% sure that this is why westerners can't draw anime.
>>7997007>why too complexand what do I do about this. which ass should be stretched
>>7997222I'm sure it the is main reason. with enough training you can imitate stylization they use, but it based on inherently different perception of a face
>>7997023>>7997205Yeah you need to be aware of not only where a given facial feature falls on the proportion map (how high up or low down it is), but also how far it protrudes outwards
Most likely, I did something wrong again.
>>7997238the bend of the torso of the one on the right is inconsistent with the others
the feet of top left are funny
>/>7997194>/>7997202>not /beg/int/>bitching about some /pol/tarded malinformed garbage no one cares aboutfucking DRAW or fuck OFF
>>7997238Direction of feet (and probably other boxes) is not right. just compare two left most figures.
>>7997244timmy
when drawing some dude, do i use the same perspective vanishing points for all the boxes making the body?
>>7997256never true
>>7997262so what do it do when making boxes?
>>7997263you need to learn how draw a box. and then how to draw two boxes
>>7997263>>7997256stop believing jews and indians
and when you somewhat comfortable with drawing boxes anyhow(250 later), you will be able to draw your dude out of arbitrary amount of arbitrary oriented boxes
>>7997256Boxes that are oriented same have same vanishing point. Use these boxes and planes thay are on to determine how the unaligned boxes should look like.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsw03rT2E3M
>>7997099Cuuute!
>>7997103To be fair, there is a lot of post around here that could be deleted for the same reason, especially the random chats.
>>7996916okay fellahs, maybe there are other ways to explain my struggles. say I have a rainbow colored ball. how would I go about rendering it? do I manually pick a shadow/highlight color for each stripe and try painting each one trying not to go beyond the borders between them?
>>7997238I think the pelvis, especially the leftmost one, is way too inclined.
>>7997297in digital you can multiply all by the same color, but in general - yes
>>7997188I will work on it ty
>>7997303digital, yes. but what color?
I copied some guro for the first time, my art is permanently sullied...I think I need to draw some skeletons
>>7997306>but what is the color of the shadow?if you multiplying its any color, its automagic, can be gray, But the convention is to go with cool hues
slightly more wholesome practice.middle: copied a reference pic very closely and tried to keep the construction in mind.left: tried to copy middle without looking at it too much, with limited time. right: tried to construct middle's head with the sphere and planes of the face in mind, but somehow the tilt of the head autocorrected even though I wanted the slight tilt from the middle.
Gonna try to study Hampton with my brother, though I never studied a book and idk what I'm doing, but it's gonna be fun if we are together I think. Any tips on how to study a book? Is it more about the method or about copying the figures in the book? I'm talking about design and invention btw
>>7997315>Any tips on how to study a book?copy all the drawingsthen apply what you've learned to your own drawings
>>7997311>if you multiplying its any colornot it's not. if you paint with black on a multiply layer, it comes out black, if you paint with white, nothing happens. if you choose a vibrant color like bright pink, the result comes out looking like shit. you can't just pick any color to paint shadows on multiply>But the convention is to go with cool huesreally? I've colorpicked a couple drawings and in all of them the colors in shadow shift towards warmer hues and darker values. or maybe I'm wrong. if the base color is orange, would the warmer hue be yellow or red? red looks hot to me so maybe it's that. but yellow is the color of the sun. on skin the highlighs shift the color towards yellow
>>7997318>on skin the highlighs shift the color towards yellowRacist piece of shit
>>7997323u-uhm I mean..!!
>>7997318it depends on the material. Some black things become fully saturated colors sometimes.
you retards actually sit and draw boxes n shit?
>>7997325so in the end there's no guideline for me to follow, is that what you're saying?
>>7997195We all know you're talking about deerwhore (gay shota guro rape and classical art enthusiast)
>>7996838good video, we all should stop grinding boxes all day
>>7997318>not it's not. if you paint with black on a multiply layer, it comes out black, if you paint with white, nothing happens.x*1=xx*0=0no shit> the result comes out looking like shit.I didn't said any combination will look good, but it can be any color depending on situation or material. you have a slider - make whatever doesn't look like shit to you. If nothing salsify you paint every stripe with what you believe look better
>>7997326When you have no talent, there’s nothing else left to do.
>>7997334>I didn't said any combination will look goodbut didn't you say it was automagic? so you have to feel it out, got it. why use a layer mode in the first place, if you still trial&error everything, what's the advantage. I thought multiply was for when you pick a single shadow color and apply it to each base color in a drawing, and blending does the rest>>7997101>>7997099>>7996782>>7996756how do you render/pick your colors fellahs
>>7997344from this angle her pussy wouldnt be facing straight down, itd be facing the camera and at the bottom of her torso youd see her ass cheeks come together. otherwise pretty good, i think the feet could be positioned a little higher to sell the foreshortening
I owed this to a friend but since Im not used to draw characters holding weapons I got lazy and hide the hands like a bitchBut so far drawing FFXIV characters has helped me come up with my own fashiondesigns
>>7997216?Bet you draw blacks with European lips and noses, too.
>>7997351>Bet you draw blacksI do not :)
lil bros should be drawing whats fun and not boxes
>>7997353you need to draw boxes to draw bodies and other shit
>>7997355>>7997353
>>7996817I got too cocky, bros.
>>7997365La goblina de las Americanas…
>>7997365mogs hatGOD
>>7997358i don't get it, i just want to draw bodies
>>7997365I'm a /beg/ so take my advice with a huge grain of salt, but whenever two parts of the body that are the same size (e.g. the shoulders, the legs, the ears?) appear and one is closer, the one that is closer must always appear bigger. It's obvious when you say it, but is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind even without clear lines of perspective./int/ and above please correct me on this
>>7997376draw a body and keep fixing it until its good.
>>7997352Racist scum
>>7997178There's bony landmarks on the body that can help you see how things are oriented in perspective, like the clavical/sternum for the ribcage or the iliac crest for the hips. There's a bunch of different anatomy books that go over it (Morpho, Weichun, Hampton, Loomis, etc.), pick one that you like and copy the illustrations, then try to apply it to figure studies. You could also follow along with a video or a course if that works for you, just copy what the instructor is doing and then apply it
>>7997358you fags are so fucking gay now, just jet your way to the prunes
>>7997377Worrying about anatomy is a waste of time for a prebeg. You can't draw proper anatomy without knowing how to draw a proper 3d form.
spent an hour drawing only to lean back and say what a piece of shit
I need to learn how to draw handsAnd how to renderIs the face repulsive? I like it but someone told me it looks like he had FAS.
>>7997402I imagine that the entire experience of drawing is like this and it never changes.
>>7997409It changes when you reach int but you'll still make shit you hate 70% of the time. For begs 1 hour usually isn't enough to get a sketch out of the ugly phase unless the subject is simple.
>>7997395damn it sounds like the only way to improve anatomy and boxes/bodies is to buy a book or sign up for a course
I sat down to start drawing and a giant spider bit my fucking hand:
>>7997418NTA. I read stonehouse's anatomy. Just find a free PDF. It was very helpful and I still reference it when I'm lost.
>>7997418You can find most of the big anatomy books for free on the internet
>>7997421>>7997428do they only teach the details of the muscles and bones or do they go through the gesture and form of the body as a whole? i need help with both
I'm a bit of a master when you thingk about it
>>7997430Stonehouse mostly does skeletons/muscles, but there are many simplified examples if you want that as well. No gesture drawing.
this quickly got out of my reach after i realized that drawing tech wear is way too hard for my skill level
>>7997194>Art was created by and for politics since day 1Are hand marks on cave walls based and republican?
>>7997436oh thank anywayis there anything that does explain the boxes and body as a whole though?
>>7997430Only speaking on the one's I've studied, Hampton's Figure Drawing:Design and Invention, Weichun's Human Anatomy for Artist's, and hidechannel's croquis drawing series cover drawing the figure as a whole pretty extensively. Hampton emphasizes gesture, Weichun takes a more technical design approach, and hidechannel is geared specifically towards drawing in the anime/manga style
>studying
idk how i got this idea
just draw
>>7997466Looks like that one Death Grips album cover
>>7997463oh boy it's gonna be a looooooooooooooong journey lol
>>7997446DRAW THE HANDS
>>7997481sorry boss... the goal here was getting the likeness of the chinese gacha character not really to bring this to a clean finish. but you are right I should work more on the hands. I thought the shorthand I did here was pretty ok though
>>7997475Just pick one that you like and stick with it for a while. Hidechannel's croquis method is very accessible for beginners even if you don't care for the anime style, but you could also go with the classics like Loomis or Vilppu
>>7997486i like stonehouse so far
i dont get it, why would you have to study anatomy?
>>7997491to draw it
>>7997496Damn that’s fantastic, could easily go on danbooru
>start fresh page>draw thing>it’s shit>get mad at myself >this page is ruined anyways, may as well draw something else>concentrate better from being mad and less page anxiety>do much better>still have fucky drawing not worth finishing because of prior GARBAGE ruining the page A disturbing pattern begins to emerge. >>7996310Contrast AND saturation. The character is the only subject in the frame, and you have it lit light a background character in the shadows.>>7996676This is great, wish I could get my lines that confident and accurate with figs.>>7996923I like the neck muscles and cheekbone suggestions >>7997466Reminds me of King City
>>7997496im wawing ooooo im wawawaing
>>7997194>Art was created bybeings of advanced intelligence
Just need talent...
*stares into your soul*
how do you come up with ideas
>>7997524Just draw.
>>7997524steal them and say it was inspired
>>7997502nigga just use your eyes
>>7997536yes, when learning anatomy you use your eyes
>>7997524jack off
are there any actually good self-laught artists?
another character from dragon half>>7997524you changed the angle of the head so the relation to the neck and torso don't make any sense anymore. I guess you kinda lost track what the shapes in the original mean due to the value contrast not being the most legible.>>7997349when you draw scales wrapping around an arm, you can accentuate them by letting them poke out of the general outline to give them volume
>>7996986>>7997522I see improvementevery couple or so try doing one without posterizing, just leaving the ref in grayscale (but keep the same workflow, i.e. avoid using lines)
>>7997544most pro artists are self-laught
been drawing for 2 months and have yet to reach moebius level. its over
>>7997528here you go>>7997531no, that would be fucked up>>7997540whenever I cum, blood comes outidk why but it's kinda hot
>>7997556it's getting easier to see details like individual strands of hair. the face is kind of the wrong shape and the eyes are way too big but i'm gradually getting there. i'll try one without posterizing soon just to see what happens
>>7997561man stop posting entirely, only a very sick individual would draw this crap
>>7997561disgusting
>>7996412PAGE 3 DONE I'm not too happy with this one, but that's the price for doing shit fast. I prefer this cartoony silly/goofy style, rather than a dry and boring realistic one. Still, I don't like her face in some panels and the guy in the first panel look goofy Anyways, he will die in the next page so who cares LOL>>7996804WWWWOOOOOOOhh, dude that pic is SO COOL. The composition is COOL. Nicely done! Glad you're liking my little story so far! Do you have a name for the Female elven ranger? She will be the chosen one by the elven tribe to defeat the king and avenge her people>>7996436Have you ever seen any Alfred Hitchcock or Vincent Price movies? lol Those fuckers are way more perverse and brutal than me, and they did all of that s/exploitation shit it in full mainstream media. I don't show explicit gore, and I fully admit this is "damsel in distress coom-bait/core", I don't pretend to be nothing more than that in a site with negative zero reputation like this oneAlfred Hitchcock is the real fucked up sexual deviant here. I fucking hate gore porn movies like Saw, Scream, and all that crap shoved into normies through a social mainstream funnel Orwellian device. Leave coom shit to obscure places like this site>>7996650hehehe that was clever!>>7996851Actually it makes sense that a big mecha has to get down into a squat position to eject the pilot's pod at a ground level height. That should be standard design for big ground mechas. Either that, or the Vegeta "I kneel" pose to get the head close to the ground if the pilot sits inside the head>>7996916I think the thighs on the standing girl should be way more thicker and sexier. Other than that, I think the warm color shading the blue cold color line doesn't work too well, maybe a blueish color for the shading can do the trick, like in the squatting girl>>7996971Very nice piece!>>7997028pretty cool!>>7997163I think this is my thread favorite.. I fucking love her face>>7997466GIRLS&MECHAS PLEASE
>>7997563>>7997570wtf I'm not sick just a little depressed
think I improved on this one. watercolour & colour pencil
i dont understand this hatching nonsense
>>7997574do you do drugs
>>7997561I don't mind the content, but you're letting yourself be lazy again and that's unforgivable.
>>7997585yeah I'm being lazy, but it's ok bc I was letting myself be lazylike a rest day
>trying to look up pixel art references>see one that might work>look closer>pixels all different sizes and fucked upgrrrr ai grrrr
>>7997576looks tuff
you guys do sketching or just draw from imagination?
>>7996971I like your style. I hope you don't mind if I try to learn from it.
tried so hard to copy Inoue I realized I've only drawn asians for the last few weeks
I STAN TALENTED RATS. US MERE MORTALS MUST STUDY THEIR WAYS AND LEARN FROM THEM. THEY ARE MY TICKET OUT OF BEGDOM.
warmin up >>7997612I don't mind at all, that's a very cute take on it
>>7997582Why, you want some?
>>7997595“Sketching” just means loosely laying out the initial plan for the drawing. You basically always start with sketching regardless of whether you’re using a reference or not.Using references whenever possible is perfectly fine, even a good thing, especially when you’re a /beg/ and you want to focus on just one thing at a time, but for most people here the goal is to eventually be able to freely draw from imagination as much as possible. (Even pro artists though still use references a lot)
i tried painting in some more detail. has kind of a spooky doll-like quality to it. you lose a lot of information when you posterize the reference.
>>7997644someone's mad i'm making progress
>>7997646i'm copying stuff
>>7997644I miss this bipolar schizoid like you wouldn't fucking believe.
>>7997656me too. that's about all i can do so far. it will be 1 million years before i can draw from imagination.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI
>>7997658you should always try, if you actually want to. you don't need to post it. it's super easy with multiple layers that you can just hide
>>7997662thank you for the encouragement. i would probably get better results if i studied some references first and tried to combine them into something original.
i can draw humans and monke from imagination, im progressing
>>7997665Krenz has some exercises related to thatIf I recall correctly, it consists of mixing 3 refs:>one for the character design >one for the pose>one for the lightingit's fun and challenging
>>7997671i'll have to try that if i am feeling confident. i need to learn a lot more about lighting from imagination and anatomy and whatnot.
drawing hair is dificult as frick
>>7997673neat. which brushes did you use if you don't mind me asking? i find myself using hard round brushes, one with pressure-controlled size, the blur tool and the color picker. i wind up lots of hard edges in paintings.
>>7997679i use only one brush pic rel. For edges i go 10-20% opacity.
>>7997680it's all just pressure opacity? i know if i attempted to use your workflow, i would wind up with something that looks like mashed potatoes probably. painting is pretty hard for me.
So what's the biggest difference between a decent /beg/ and a decent-to-good /int/, on a technical level? Or, maybe to formulate the question a little more precisely, if you give an /int/ a /beg/'s drawing and tell them to remaster it, what's the biggest improvement they would make?(Obviously I'm fishing a little bit with this question, but in general I feel like my ability to draw is catching up dangerously close to my ability to evaluate.)
almost did a good drawing only to realize I made her head freakishly bigits poo over
>>7997658
I'm trying to get back on art, I could use some pointers. What did I do wrong? What did I do right?
>>7997694Appealfag if his drawing were appealing
>>7997694looks ai-ish stale, also no taste.
>>7997694twisted grim inspo? Looks alright but i would give boobs more lines. Rn looks boob is flattered like she rised arm.>>7997703retard
>>7997496i am shameless in my envy of your skill
>>7997711Ok it look like a desperate piece that's wants attention either by trying to follow AI/spammers trends or by actually cheating. Either way it's garbage and you should be ashamed for posting it in a artboard. That clear enough?
>>7997715>>7997711Mind you i've been wrong 0 times so far. Feel free to be another win under my belt.
i'm getting art paralysis. i feel like i just rolled a 20 and my next roll is going to be a 1 and i will revert back to being permabeg for a month.
feel free to shit on it
Just got fired from work. Depressed, burnt out and in debt. How do I earn money from art?
>>7997742>How do I earn money from art?You don't. Get a real job.
>>7997742>How do I earn money from art?Be talented. Both the super talented favelachads here earn dollars through patreon
>>7997742You don't. If you were able to sell AI pics or copy/trace goonsloop with AI you'd be doing it by now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R06QzbiY6-sThis is a personal favorite. It's so insidious, the pieces don't look like your typical CNET model pose >>7997731Looks good doe, shitty rendering albeit
>>7997731head looks a bit too big and long
>>7997742If you're saying the truth, then you better listen, BAN yourself from this shithole, if you need to, I'll do the honors for you: YOU'RE BANNED FROM THIS SITE. COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS.Anon you're in crisis mode now, art won't give you a fucking single penny right now, you need to focus on reality, get your shit together. You need to put all of your attention to save your own life right now. This ain't no joke, please get the hell outta here and fix your life, get stronger. That's your number one priority now. You won't regret it. Focus on putting real money on your pocket now.Art will always be there. You can go back to art whenever you want, it doesn't degrade, what you learn stays always with you. But it won't fix your life now. Art is a personal thing for you, and you need to be in a good place to enjoy it properly, and not in a suffering manner. You need to finance your leisure artistic time, not the other way around.
>>7997767nono sell everything you have and do drugs, WGMI bro i believe in you
>>7997759You'd have to be retarded to think anyone would make that kind of progress in four years. Not saying you are, but the people that fell for this.
>>7997694the central line starting from in between the collarbones going through the sternum, along the centre of the stomach muscles is too broken in your drawing imo. at the very least the belly should get dragged along with the upper torso twist instead of pointing in a completely different direction than the sternum
>>7997773I mean you guys weren't able to tell that the br was tracing artists tracing AI despite all the pieces looking literally the same while having the same compositions.
>>7997777>you guysI didn't know anonymous was a Borg collective.
>>7997776It all looks the same. >>7997780It is we are a legion hivemind o algo.
How do I get better at art?Seriously I have been drawing for six years and I don't know why I am actually so bad.I blame my tool set.You can't make a house with just a screwdriver.Need some serious critique and advice.
Today’s perspective practice
>>7997785You might be the master of the screwdriver and the only thing keeping you from building a house is knowing how to build a house.Draw bigger and more elaborate things, put more time and effort. Use references, read books.
>>7997773>You'd have to be retarded to think anyone would make that kind of progress in four years.>that kind of progress in four years.Holy copegod
>>7997785>I have been drawing for six yearssix years tells very little, you could be drawing every sunday for 15 minutes, or spending 8 hours every daylets try: how many illustrations have you finished in these six years?>I don't know why I am actually so badwhat have you tried?
>>7997797You post this yet you yourself remain in /beg/Curious.
>>7997785Can you post an actual finished piece you did and not some low effort doodle?
Not really sure how to proceed with this design right now. I want to make her a little more monstrous or something.>>7997777>the brI'm aware I'm not the only brazilian around here but... are you talking about me? I remember some guy kept saying I was tracing AI a little while ago and I'm hoping that's not you.
>>7997759>>7997762thanks it looked really off and i couldn't put my finger on it
>>7997796>put more time and effort.Hold up chief I'm trying to save time not grab my feces from the toilet and make a replica of the sistine chapel.>>7997798Finished? maybe eight. Started? Between 50 to 100 if you include random practice, studies, and high effort doodles/memes/shitposts.>what have you tried?being mean to myself and giving up but that didn't work.>>7997807Pic rel is the closest thing to a finished piece I have ever made. It took maybe five hours before I decided I didn't want to study drawing balls so I just called it a day. It was supposed to be more elaborate where an AI user was supposed to be sitting in a cuck chair looking a like dark souls hollow, as a social commentary on how artists and robots are the ones doing all the work meanwhile AI trannies are not real aritsts for proompting.I often get exhausted and take week(s) long breaks and forget how I even made anything to begin with (I only learned how to color block this year).
Why are there so many Brazilians on /ic/?We have a lot of women too. Such a strange outlier.
>>7997819>Why<ART>
>>7997819>We have a lot of women tooBecause it's ok to invade male spaces, why do you think cliques, circlejerks and safespaces started appearing out of nowhere.
>>7997742>>didnt even post his workHow do you expect any feedback if nobody knows if youre even good enough to make money? You're giving absolutely 0 information. Do you have a portfolio and a target/idea of where you want to make money? Are you aiming for studio work or commissions from strangers? If comm, are you utilising social media/marketing.just my 2c from a hobbyist who draws for fun.
>>7997561>soonThis is good good
>>7997817>Between 50 to 100 if you include random practice, studies, and high effort doodles>only EIGHT (8) finished drawings in SIX (6) years>almost one full illustration a yearHoly fuck my dude. I've made more drawings in three months than you have in six years.
>>7997310Color and make it hang
>>7997823Artistically speaking, of course.
>>7996412It's great but I'm wondering an alt version where they shoot XD. But what if they shoot into the pussies and instant orgasm. Perfection
>>7997819It takes a special kind of retardation to think art is a good idea. Most men need to be a little brain-damaged, but women and some races come by that specific mind virus more naturally
>>7997826It's true. Women and Brazilians are most violent creatures on earth
>>7997828wtf this face is great, tell me your brush info
>>7997843it's the photoshop hard round pressure opacity im too lazy to use real brushes
>>7997833It's more in reference to the number of sessions I've done, but yeah I probably don't draw enough, I just get too fatigued after each session.
im trying to break down photos and im having trouble figuring out where the cheekbone locations are on this one, are the circled blue areas correct?
>>7997817https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAjZoW6TvW0the process is simple>you paint a finished piece with all your effort (so you can't cope out with 'it was just a sketch')>then you reflect on what went wrong the most, and you study/practice to improve that>then you repeat
>>7997846>I probably don't draw enough>probably>8 full drawings made in six years>>>>>>>>>>>>probably
>>7997819I'm not too sure about the brazillian part, tried to bait some by saying I was an Argie but only got one.
Comic
>>7997845I just really like how greasy it looks but yet also sharp somehow.My art is either always too thin and sharp or muddy and flat.
>>7997853There's four that actively posts on this board.There used to be eight certified but four of them left /ic/ for greener pastures.
>>7997777I want this art to sit on my face. Is it AI? AI is supposed to be garbage, I have no chance against this.
>>7997854What does this mean?
>>7997808i believe that anon is referring to nihu77-anon
>>7997808https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6LdQU_Uu4
>>7997846Try doing 1min 10 gestures , 2-3min 15 bodies with boxes, takes less than 1 hour and they help a lot, References are fun until they aren't, you clearly know more anatomy than me but your practice sheet is full of random ass doodles.
>>7997870Oh alright>>7997871You know, maybe I could take some inspiration from the flood. Thanks for opening my eyes anon.
>>7997860I see, just curiosity since I mainly only lurk.
>>7997846What this anon >>7997879 said.You need to draw a lot more. And fundies are a priority at least until you can scale your confidence up.
>>7997817>I often get exhausted and take week(s) long breaks and forget how I even made anything to begin withwell there you have it, find a way to get you to draw more frequently even if it means you draw for only a little bit each day.
>>7997848youre basically in the right area but cheekbones arent super important anyway to map imo. theyre only really important in characters with really pronounced cheekbones.You should just actually draw the head instead of whatever this is.
quick bath drawings
>>7997777Nihu? They did tell and it led to months of annoyance.>>7997819Studying art is mandatory in Brazilian schools, everyone draws and paints growing up.
1 hour practice learning clothes and tones. might finish the one at bottom right because the pose looks kinda cool. i need more energy
My question is why do brazilians insist on invading the english speaking internet?
>>7997920There's no "invading" an open forum.
>>7997920They've been here since day 1 unlike Euros and SEA
>>7997204>>7996257
>>7997819how do you know there are women here?
ack
>>7997951That gremlin is noided, nice.
Haven't done anything digital in a while
>>7997764>>7997964>studies hard>develops skill >uses it to sexualize little boys what's wrong with you
>>7997981mogs me
>>7997819>womenIt's because trannies are everywhere and this is the only spot online where it's okay to rip into them without social consequences.>Because it's ok to invade male spacesTrannies invading women spaces and basically driving most of them out by insisting the have a girlcock will do make women start doing the same to men. Like a slap fight. Though, calling 4chan a "male space" is certainly a choice. Isn't it just the armpit of the internet and always has been? Many women pretend to be men all the time.>Guy In Real Lifehas been thrown at women online many times since the dawn of public-access internet.
>>7997991My keyboard is fucking and it didnt upload my drawing time to kms
life has been raping me so hard i could barely draw all week>>7997297im just gonna do the pattern i always do i guess
continuing the sketch sheetalso, someone host the meccha chameleon server
Fuck /ic/ for telling me to skip sketching stage
>>7997998nobody has ever said this
>>7997998don't make up a boogieman for your own failures
>>7997993this is sexcellent...I mean sexcellentI mean sexcellentsexcellentsex
>>7997998>>7997999I said that
