American history class>you see, the nukes actually SAVED lives
>>200350267>you see, the nukes actually SAVED livesAbsolutely and objectively correct
>>200350267they didif our government wasnt cucked leftoid retards they'd be using them as well
War crimes are bad, mkay? Unless you're in the Allies, then it's fine.
>>200350552good thread. dick head
>>200350267Finnish history class>you see, we were just "co-belligerents" in the "continuation" of the previous war, retaking ONLY the lands we lost!
>>200350267don't care, shouldn't of done pearl harbor
>>200350267>the lone torii standing among the rubbleKINO
>>200350267it was a different time
>>200350631Allied war tactics be like>let's murder the civilian population of the enemy, it's fine when we do it!
>>200350677Hawaii was an illegally occupied territory, why were they angry?They have been always attacked first.
>>200350267every single Jap was an active combatant and deserved a far worse death. It was only through the infinite mercy and benevolence of their Allied betters that they were allowed to live at allJapan should have been conquered, cleansed, and repopulated with Americans
>>200351039You too are guilty of the original sin of testing uranium and plutonium.
>>200350803womp womp
>>200351039Hello Rabbi
>>200350267The nukes were to threaten the soviets
>>200350267Helped bring food to countless civilians starving under Japanese occupation, so yes it did save more lives.
>>200350324Japan was already negociating surrender, a conditional one where they'd keep the emperor, America refused.Then after winning the war, America decided to keep the Emperor.
>>200350267isnt it weird that the good guys always win all the wars?!
>>200353772>demanding conditional surrender after all the shit they didlmfao. Vae Victis.
>>200354095>Vae Victisand in May you will whine about the 6 Million again
>>200350267American people are some of the most ruthlessly propagandized and gullible people on the planet. Most of then have no idea what happened during WWII because their government constantly lies to them and they don't have access to alternative narratives.Common question>Q.Atomic bomb save a lot more lives than it took.A. The bombings were entirely irrelevant. Japan surrendered because America finally went "we are open to letting you keep the emperor", which is all the military could hope for at that point.Americans are brainwashed into thinking the atomic bombings were the only thing stop war. They aren’t taught the real history that Japan proposed a peace armistice in July 1945.Approaching the Soviet Union:In the spring and summer of 1945, the Japanese government sought to negotiate peace through the Soviet Union. At that time, the Soviet Union was still maintaining a neutrality pact with Japan, and Japan hoped to use the Soviets as intermediaries. However, the Soviets were secretly cooperating with the Allies and did not accept the mediationPotsdam Declaration:On July 26, 1945, the Allies (USA, UK, and China) issued the Potsdam Declaration, demanding Japan's unconditional surrender. The declaration did not clearly state whether the Emperor would not be Execution if Japan surrendered, complicating the Japanese government's decision to surrender>the safety of the emperor was guaranteed by the U.S. after the dropping of the two atomic bombs. HOW EVIL AND HYPOCRITICAL.>the safety of the emperor being the real motivation for the Japanese surrender.>USA IGNORED IT TO CONTINUE WAR UNTIL DROP THE UNNECESSARY TWO ATOMIC BOMB TO CREAT COLD WAR WITH SOVIET BY NUCLEAR DETERRENT TO AVOID DIRECT WAR WITH THEM
>>200353772>Japan was already negotiating surrender the fuck they were. that only happened after the atomic bombs on august 10th.
>>200354418Read this you brainwashed war slave of j-->>200354370
>>200354370Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions
>>200354370Toshis really cannot make a whole sentence about WW2 without lying>Soviets were secretly cooperating with the AlliesNo, that was more public than anything, in fact you imbecile they were part of the alliesalso, source: Dude trust me
>words words words
>>200354370>Most of then have no idea what happened during WWII because their government constantly lies to them and they don't have access to alternative narratives.>tf>tp
>>200354436>brainwashed slave of jewsYou stupid retard. You can't even read, can you? Only three of the fucking supreme war council wanted to surrender. The other three didn't/ You're a disingenuous idiot. Stop leaving shit out. Go read "Japan's longest day" by Yukinobu Hoshino.
>>200350803>was
>>200354370>keep the emperor, which is all the military could hope for at that point.Sure seemed liked it when the military tried to overthrow the emperor when he wanted to surrender lol
>>200354474>>200354517>>200354670>>200354905Cry heart and read the facts you idiots >>200354370
>>200356653I should cry what? and would you like to gives something like an actual fact to read?
>>200350267If they hadn't used it literally every Jap would have had to be killed. They were training school children to run up to US soldiers with sticks of dynamite and to throw themselves in front of jeeps to cause accidents.
>>200356731THE TRUTH OF PH AND ATOMIC BOMBUSA WAS READING THE CODE AND ALREADY KNOWING JAPANESE WILL ATTACK P.H. TO DESTROY AIRCRAFT CARRIER.SO USA WAS ALREADY MOVING THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER BEFORE JAPANESE CAME AND USA LET JAPANESE TO KILL OWN AMERICAN PEOPLE INTENTIONALLY AND MADE EXCUSE OF JOINING PACIFIC WAR TO CONVENSATE CITIZENS OF USA WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME TACTICS OF 911 AND CREAT THE REASON OF DROP TWO UNNECESSARY ATOMIC BOMB TO CREATE THE SITUATION OF COLD WAR TO AVOID FULL CONTACT WAR AGAINST SOVIET Back ground:USA made Hull note to Japan and oil line of japan was stopped as the economical sanctions.Japan was buying 70% of oils from usa at that time, so japan was already ended.The remaining oil of Japan to continue war was only 2 years.SoJapan had to get oil field of East Dutch Indies by kicking out colonists of SEA to survive no matter whatAnd Japan had to made up the saying of "get rid of the western colonists from whole Asia" as justification of taking oil of SEA. After the Hull note, Japan decided to attack military base of Hawaii TO DESTROY AIRCRAFT CARRIER to stop the Airplane of USA to come to SEA until Japan Acquired of the oil field of East Dutch indies.BUT USA KNEW THIS PLAN ALREADY BY READING CODE OF JAPANSO USA ALREADY MOVED THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER IN HAWAII , AND THEY LET JAPANESE TO KILL AND DESTROY OWN AMERICAN PEOPLE INTENTIONALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATEING THE REASON TO JOINING PACIFIC WAR AS PROPAGANDA TO OWN AMERICAN CITIZENS AS "REMEMBER THR P.H."THIS IS THE SAME TACTICS OF PROPAGANDA OF 911 TO CREATE THE REASONS OF JOINING AFGHAN WARUSA did air raid of Tokyo ,Osaka and every big city of japan and huge amounts of civilians were dead in fireAnd USA wanted to shot The Nclear weapon as an experiments to make the situation of cold war with Soviet to avoid full contact war by nuclear deterrence So unnecessary two atomic bomb was dropped on japan.900,000 civilians were dead by Atomic bomb and airraid
>>200356917Read this you brainwashed war slave of jew>>200354370>>200356968
Japs pissed off again. No matter what you rant about, it was wrong to attack Pearl Harbor first.If you have a problem with that, why don't you take your revenge again? You want to drop Tokyo next?
>>200357009Emperor fagohito shouldn't have surrendered then. Why didn't he kamikaze into the white house?
>>200350267This video is required watching. It does an extraordinary job at recounting all the events going on behind the scenes in painstaking detail. Highly recommend. Spoiler: they were not needed and what Americans parrot to this day is literal post-hoc propaganda. https://youtu.be/RCRTgtpC-Go?si=a1VTuwGleKzTb-ow
>>200356968womp womp
>>200357289I'm not watching Breadtubers
>>200357502Waka Waka Waka Waka Wowowowwwahhhh Waka Waka Waka Wooowwnn wahhh
>>200357228Just like it was wrong for the US to take Hawaii which should have been a huge red flag to the American people that our government is setting themselves up to be world police.
>>200350267American lives. lmaoThe reasoning I've heard from history teachers was that at the time Japan would have been willing to fight down to the last person If they started a war with the US. The atomic bombs ended the war early.
It's really funny that netouyo faggots bitch and cry about the atomic bombs, never giving a single rat's fuck about Okinawa.
>>200357817>WHAT ABOUT MUH HAWAIILol, you think it was wrong to take Hawaii? What the fuck do you think was going to happen to the only sizeable piece of land smack dab in the middle of the Pacific? If it wasn’t us it would have been the Japs, Bongs, or Frogs. And hardly much later than when we stepped in.
Crazy how they still seethe over this shit.Shouldn’t’ve sowed the wind nigga
>>200350267Yes, it is more rational to kill soldiers' wives and children than to fight directly against soldiers on the battlefield.But that is usually emotionally hesitant, so the USA may be the only great country in the world that can do it.
We don't have to defend anything. Everyone in Asia knows how vicious they were, we were attacked first and were fought against savagely as well, there was no love lost. In war you kill each other until someone gives up first, and they did.>nooooo you gotta launch a massive seaborne invasion and risk 1 million American boy casualtiesnope. LOL
>>200354465i'm screencapping this post so i can use it when the time comes
>>200358158I don't see a problem with any of those countries taking Hawaii because it means that it's not on my conscience, I wouldn't have to pretend to live in a free nation that values sovereignty.
>>200354370>Japan surrendered because America finally went "we are open to letting you keep the emperor"That happened afterwards Gonzalez, the surrender was unconditional
>>200359183No nation puts the sovereignty of another land over the prosperity and safety of its own people. Not America, and sure as hell not the Kingdom of Hawaii. King Kamehameha’s “unification” effort wasn’t exactly bloodless.
If indeed the US dropped the atomic bombs out of fear of an invasion of the mainland, then it is not a bad idea for the Japanese.It acknowledges that the atomic bomb was a despicable means, and that the reason it had to be used in a despicable way is that Japan fought bravely and made the US fearful.According to US argument, the atomic bombing works as requiem to honour the Japanese soldiers who have fought in the war.
>>200359974Prosperity, there's that funny little word again that Americans love so much. Unfortunately the huge country with huge coasts in both of the major oceans wasn't enough for us to be prosperous.
>>200360163Clearly the need for an outpost in the Pacific was not unfounded. That said I guess you’d have preferred if native Hawaiians, Portuguese, Okinawans, etc. living on the Hawaiian islands were systematically genocided and replaced by more Japanese, just as they did in Asia.Why don’t (you) go back to whatever shithole you came from, Gomez?
>>200356653>>200354436>>200354370>>200351108>>200350803>>200358767Chat shit, get reduced to radioactive ash. If, to accept the general opinions here, America is a nation of amoral killers without conscience, wouldn't your best move, strategically speaking, be to just keep your head down, live in peace, and leave us alone?
>>200350267great history class. 100% agree. >>200359981Don't act like Jap was a victim. You are not a country. Just live your life pathetic rat teeth jap monkey.
>>200354502That is a british made aircraft by the way.
21st century niggas don’t understand the meaning of total war. The enemy wants nothing less than the destruction of your country and way of life. They want to reduce your house to a smoldering pile of rubble, rape your sisters, and kill you and your brothers. They want to erase your culture, tear down your monuments, and erase your people from the history books.There are no innocents. Only survival.
>>200354370Japanese peiple is CRAZY!Japanese math klass is> 1 and 1 bomb is end of war
>>200354328And you will throw another billion shekels at them in reparations
>>200354328salam aleicum
>>200350731sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, tard. axis opened the door to terrorbombing and demonstrated cruelty to occupied populations far beyond the worst allied crimes. they were just quite literally not as effective at bombing and suffered greatly for it
>>200360619>systematically genocidedAll Japanese massacres were carried out by local troops on their own initiative.In Japan, there was no ideology or military policy that encouraged the massacre of certain ethnic groups because they were considered inferior, as was the case in Germany.It was, for example, to kill all members of a group if there was a possibility that there was a spy amongst them.
>>200357289i watched the video and its pretty informative, however he doesn't really explain what makes the atomic bombings so much more unjustifiable than firebombings and widespread civillian bombing in general. its just sort of taken as a given that burning to death in an inferno caused by thousands of bombs is preferable to being atomised by a single one.
>>200350267that's true though
>>200361236Britain, which has waged wars all over the world and massacred people, should not speak from high ground.
>>200362566The reason he stands on high ground is because he won.There are no morals in war, and the atrocities of the British Empire you believe in are also more than 90 percent propaganda.If you're going to pretend to be objective, at least be ambivalent.
>>200361236>terrorism against boars in africa>terrorism against indians from america and india>irish war>scotish war>invasion of china>second invasion of china>third invasion of china>invasion of afganistan>invasion of zimbabwe>betrayal of rhodesia
>>200350267The only thing that's good about the Hiroshima atomic bomb is that 10% of the victims were Koreans, killed and vaporized that day.Now you can say every cloud has a silver lining, even a nuclear mushroom cloud can have.>According to recent estimates, about 20,000 Koreans were killed in Hiroshima and about 2,000 died in Nagasaki. >It is estimated that one in seven of the Hiroshima victims was of Korean ancestry.Koreans remember countrymen killed in Hiroshimahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWS-kUFX9qI
>>200350267japs were barely punished for the bad things they did all over Asia.
They say "Operation Downfall" would've caused more damage to the Japanese population. Actually, it happened, but not in Japan, it happened in Korea.Korean War caused twice bigger casualties than Pacific War, so they were right about their claim.>The US dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea. By comparison, the U.S. dropped 160,000 on Japan during WW2.>J. Howard McGrath, referred to the Koreans as “rodents,” and thus had no regrets about the ongoing slaughter.>In 1951, war correspondent Tibor Meráy said that there were “no more cities in Korea.” He added, “My impression was that I am traveling on the moon because there was only devastation—every city was only a collection of chimneys.”>An estimated 2.5 million Koreans died in the bombing, most of them civilians, many of them incinerated by napalm.
>>200362566>>200362914uhh... seething losers much?
It gives me the shivers that these bombing pics were taken in SK, not even NK. You can guess how many people died in Korean war.
>>200363688I still don't get the Korean war. How come they even entered a civil war right after WW2? Sounds like truly an insect war.
>>200350267>fuck around>...>find out
>>200363915The worst was it was not even an ethnic conflict. It was just a proxy war between the USSR and the US.North Kims and South Kims literally killed each other over white men's ideologies.>“The war in Korea has already almost destroyed that nation of 20 million people. I have never seen such devastation. After I looked at that wreckage and those thousands of women and children … I vomited.” — MacArthur in 1951>British journalist Reginald Thompson was shocked by the ignorance and racism of the American military, who referred to Koreans as “gooks” and Chinese soldiers as “chinks” during Korean war.
>>200354370So you're telling me japanese people were ok with being obliterated by the face of the Earth if that meant they got to keep their emperor? It's crazy that the Americans literally nuked the chuddiness out of an entire country
>>200363968>By 1949, South Korean and US military actions had reduced indigenous communist guerrillas in the South from 5,000 to 1,000. However, Kim Il Sung believed widespread uprisings had weakened the South Korean military and that a North Korean invasion would be welcomed by much of the South Korean population. Kim began seeking Stalin's support for an invasion in March 1949, traveling to Moscow to persuade him.>Stalin initially did not think the time was right for a war in Korea. PLA forces were still embroiled in the Chinese Civil War, while US forces remained stationed in South Korea.
Death to USA by the way.
The US army is still giving out purple hearts that were made in the 40s in preparation for the invasion of JapanWe expected MASSIVE casualties
>>200350507I kinda wish Israel would show it's nuclear handMaybe then the world governments will follow their populace in condemnation
>>200350507Did you attend pro-rape protest?
>>200354370>>200356968Turns out war is not so fun and honoraburu when YOU'RE the ones being raped and murdered instead of vice versa
>>200350267Honestly they have, for now. There hasn't been a major war between world powers since World War 2 for a reason. As for Japan, nukes were obviously less deadly than continued war, you'd have to believe the ahistorical "Japan was totally ready to surrender" thing to think otherwise (some military officers tried to launch a coup to prevent the surrender even after the nukes) or the strange "actually Japan surrendered because of Soviet invasion of Manchuria not the nukes" (not really mutually exclusive things but Hirohito specifically mentioned the nukes).
>>200363968Kim Il Sung started the war against the wishes of Stalin retard
>>200364976Stalin AND MaoOnly reason the PRC got involved was because they feared for their own borders
>>200350267Should have nuked them more.
>>200364976Should have carpet nuked north korea
>>200350267Its the truth. Doubly so because only American lives actually matter. The fuck should we care about people inhabiting a hostile enemy power during a time of war? They're lucky they got reconstruction funds instead of being wiped from the face of the earth and having the Japanese islands turned into a permanent nuclear missile base to point at assmad Russians.
>>200350267american lives*This is absolutely true if you know anything about the scale of operations in the pacific theater, Americans were loss averse after Okinawa and a land invasion of japan would've been a massive undertaking. Public opinion was more in favor of besieging and bombing the islands, and while it's true that the Japanese were on verge of surrender, it wasn't completely unanimous at the time. They were pretty devastated by all the firebombing (which killed more than the atomic bombings did) and the idea that their last remaining urban centers would've been vaporized instantly pushed them definitively towards surrender. They were expecting an invasion, from which they would extract the maximum amount of casualties from the Americans but that obviously wasn't going to happen anymore.
>>200350267Yeah, lives that mattered. AKA, not jap lives.
>thread about nukes in Japan >butthurt jap starts spamming about Koreans out of nowhere Why are japs so obsessed with Koreans? It's pathetic as hell.
