>la nooooo u can no call it am chämpägné!!!! it is le sparkling wine!!!!! only france can make le chämpägné!!!!!!!why are they like this?
>>201471492close your ketchup stained filthy mouth, fat
kill yourself
>>201471492Imbécile
>>201471492Because it's not champagne if it's not from the region of champagne...
>only france can make le chämpägné!!!!!!!Seems reasonable to me.
>>201471582>>201471596xhe's right
>>201471492yeah it's retarded, we are now calling it "espumante" (foamer) here because of their autism
>>201471854>>201471809champagne is the name of wines produced in the old province of champagne. it's not champagne otherwise
>>201471492They believe geographic origin is an essential part of the product. I can understand that perspective
>>201471912If I make parmesan in Wisconsin, it's still parmesan. It's just a style of cheese.Europeans can't make anything new so they seethe when their centuries-old foods get replicated and outcompeted all over the world by modern technology.Never forget that blinded French wine experts considered French wines garbage compared to Californian ones. It was a national scandal.
>>201471979no it isn't. parmigiano means it's from the region around parma, the origin of the produce is part of the brand. it's not a dish like bolognese which you can replicate anywhere, it's only grown in champagne
>>201471893>what is etymology
>>201471979this is of course a complete inversion of the truth, you subhuman faggots are incapable of creating a style of wine that has a tenth of the prestige of champagne so you're trying to take credit for our efforts to sell your trashsuch a typically jewish move
>>201471893Solar system moves all the time, we already far away from original point in space where first bottle has been produced. Also, the atmosphere and the acidity of the soil changes over time. And a bunch of other factors.That's why French champagne can't be called "champagne" either
>>201472063>>201472089what OP is describing is a process where you imitate a product and falsely sell it as being from somewhere else. if I have cattle in Italy I cannot sell it as Texan beef. it's not a recipe. the value of the product is in its origin
>>201472089Also all of France's vineyards had to be spliced with American plants so you can't even pretend it's the same grapes.
>>201471492>WHAT??? you don't want our genetically modified crops or our beef fileld with growth hormones???>well fuck you then, I ban your cheese because... because it's made with raw milk like it always been for thousands of yearswhy are they like this?
>>201472066California wine is scientifically proven peer reviewed and fact checked to be better than french wine
>>201471492I go out of my way to call it sparkling wine, specifically if it's from that region in france
>>201472066>>201472060>wants to charge over the location where a product was madeDo you guys have to resort to this because your agricultural production is small?>>201472149>sell it as being from somewhere elseOnly Europeans think this. Others just think you are selling a certain style of product. Why would anyone give a shit about where it's made?
>>201472066>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)
>>201472153We have food and safety standards while your standards are completely made up to preserve your ego.
>>201472319you are the one who has to resort to misleading the buyer as explained in >>201472066. your product is not champagne if it's not from champagne. if your own stuff had the same value you wouldn't need to pretend you're selling a french wine
>>201472060>cheesemaking equipment is only present in heckin cheeselandia, ItalyCope>>201472066I see your tears and raise you >>201472335
>>201472419if your product is better why do you have to wear the name of our wine like a skinsuit to sell it? the perfidity of the jew and the intelligence of the negro, this is the amerimutt
>>201472149Nobody cares if the beef is from Texas lmfao whatWe have grades of meat because a good grade can come from anywhere>>201472414Dude nobody here and I mean NOBODY cares if champagne is actually from France. It's just a common name for bubbly wine.
>>201472419lmao your product isn't champagne no matter how you hard cope. champagne is wine from champagne. it's not a recipe or a "style" >>201472453>nobody here and I mean NOBODY caresanyone who is serious about wine consumption cares, especially those who buy it for wealthy people. I'm not talking about people who buy shit from supermarkets
Even though I buy the cheapest junk to soothe my thirst, I am with the French and Italian anon on this one.
>>201472570American sparkling wine is champagne.I assure you, poor people in this country are more likely to care about this imported bullshit than actually finding the best quality product. American champagne and wines in general are oftentimes way higher quality than their equal price European counterparts, because we actually have to work to demonstrate our quality rather than clinging to ridiculous geography-based copyrights
>because we actually have to pretend to be a world reknown european product to sell our sludgeftfy
>>201471492i'm going to open a small burger shop in my own and call in mac donalds, i'm sure its all going to be fine.
>>201472693>American sparkling wine is champagne.no it isn't lol
>>201472414do you have autism? I just explained that people call it champagne because of etymology, no one expects the product to be from "Champagne, France", most people don't even know Champagne is a place.
>>201472066Alcohol is haram in Fralgeria
>>201472693nigga even french sparkling wine from outside champagne isn't champagne
>>201471979>If I make parmesan in Wisconsin, it's still parmesanSoil and climate are factors, so not really. Didn't read the rest of your post. Why does the concept of authenticity annoy you so? Don't answer, rhetorical question.
>>201472831>most people are low IQ brown golems like me so call it whatever dude!!!great argument you retarded monkey
>>201471492Champagne is a region. Like Bretagne and Bourgogne. Its like how you cannot just take grape plant from my region and grow it in Chile and pretend the wine will be the same as the one thats made here for millennia.
I am a traditionalist so I support this
>>201472869So let me get this straight.Your production doesn't have either enough objective quality or enough quantity to make the profits you guys expect. So, because europoors want to charge their products over fictitious qualities* like place of production and because they need to cater to rich buyers, we the common people have to use retarded names to refer to things everyone knows like champagne and parmesan? And we have to just accept this?Btw tell me one Brazilian city from the state of Espírito Santo without googling
>>201472570>champagne is wine from champagneSo it could be hobo wine made with a child's red grape juice and it would still be champagne if it were made there? Yeah that makes sense.
>>201472831>people call it champagne because of etymologyonly clueless people do
>>201473029Well obviously it'd have to be made by someone inducted into the Champagne sparkling wine making tradition through some sort of apprenticeshipFood is not just about a location, it's also about traditions
>>201473044yeah how silly people don't know about the bumfuck french province, btw tell me what's the most populous province of south central china without googling
>>201472859Does cheese grow on trees in Poland?>>201472974Brazilbro, give it up. The fact is that these "people" are incapable of anything but impotent seething. I will go out and buy some Californian champagne tomorrow, maybe pair it with some Wisconsin Brie and Capocollo di Calabria from Missouri.
>>201472974I don't know what the fuck you're blabbering about, champagne isn't synonymous with sparkling wine no matter how many idiotic rationalizations you come up withhell the best selling sparkling wine in the world is italy's prosecco because it's used in cocktails and no one who isn't deeply retarded call it champagne
>all these seething posts in a language that nobody in the EU even speaks nativelyPathetic display of europoverty.
>>201473029that doesn't happen>>201473086hubei or guangdong. either way this has nothing to do with it. it's not a bumfuck french province if you're obsessed with stealing its name for your own product
>>201473055Yeah but europoors will cope that if a champagne maker from champagne moves to california and makes their traditional wine that it ceases to be real champagne "because it just isn't, ok?"
>>201473150english is a european language lolgood thing you can cope with this "EU" thing
Kill Europe, that's all I have to say folks.
>>201473158I think this is more of a pragmatic move than a definitional one Firstly it's about controlling standards and secondly it's about being able to set prices high I support it although having said that, I figure a lot of these places are probably hiring migrant workers instead of paying native people decent wages but I could be wrong with that
>>201473149>champagne isn't synonymous with sparkling wineit is in our countries and you can't copyright words from common usage, that's the whole point. Everyone still calls it champagne even if the label has some retarded name like sparkling vine
>>201473152>that doesn't happenThis is why I don't see you people as white because you can't entertain hypotheticals. I could manifest this reality with my Faustian will if I wanted to prove a point.I've made hobo wine. I did it to get drunk before I could buy alcohol. I could buy some local grape juice there and ferment it over the course of my trip and then I'd have bona fide champagne according to retarded europoors.
>>201473149Prosecco is champagne sold in a smaller, different kind of bottle - subjectively with more bubbles. We got both made out here.>>201473167You're speaking American, I don't speak Englisher.
>>201473220>Prosecco is champagnethat's great sweatie, can't wait for the next train derailment spilling tons of highly toxic chemicals in your bumfuck state
average yuroid at birth
>>201473258Europeans actually think this is a great burn when that derailment occured farther away from me than the war in Ukraine is from them. Hope a wider conflict doesn't break out and you don't get sent to fight in Poland.
>>201473208anon I don't have to engage with your absurd hypothetical. the reason why the name champagne brings value to the product is that the buyer knows it's from a region with an established culture of wine production, which contributes in ensuring the quality of the product. if kids could just make shit and sell it as champagne, the name would be worthless. which is why you want to appropriate it from the outside
mutts are so retarded that they're essentially arguing every red wine should be called bordeauxwhat a blight on earth
>>201471492I don't understand what the issue is.that's just the proper term. You're not going to call every sports car a Lambo or something, you call it a sports car, and a Lamborghini is a Lamborghini
>>201473451It's more like "you can't call it a Honda if it's not made in Japan" when that's retarded and no one follows that.Whats especially funny is that France doesn't actually expand this logic to its citizenry. You call plenty of people authentic Frenchman when they're morraco or the ivory coast whether they were born in France or not.
>>201473532nope the proper analogy is "you cannot call it brazilian coffee if you make it in your backyard"
>>201473383If anything it ensure no competition and no need to maintain standards. This is such typical old world mafioso unionist corruption.
>>201473532>It's more like "you can't call it a Honda if it's not made in Japan" when that's retarded and no one follows that.it's this way to protect the customerOtherwise I can sell shitty wine and say it's champagne and leave the customer to find real champagne himself >Whats especially funny is that France doesn't actually expand this logic to its citizenry. You call plenty of people authentic Frenchman when they're morraco or the ivory coast whether they were born in France or not.most people don't consider non whites to be french, wtf are you talking about. just because the government doesn't make the distinction doesn't mean the population doesn't as well.Also I find this comment funny coming from an American. Your identity is far more like what you describe than ours. And every time this country tried to create a civic identity it was always in imitation of yours
>>201473605If the coffee is a kind of Brazilian coffee bean then yeah you can.
>>201473667>no competitionjust make a better wine with another name?>no need to maintain standardsthen why do people need to take its name to add value to their product? it doesn't make sense>>201473691that's not the same as what I'm saying anyway we have been arguing about this for three hours, I'm going to work
>>201472153We still buy your cheese, bro. I saw it next to the macaroons last week.
>>201473678>Also I find this comment funny coming from an American. Your identity is far more like what you describe than ours.americans can't help but accusing others of what they're guilty of themselves, zero self awareness, zero shamehell this cocksucker is arguing with a straight face their agricultural products are higher quality than ours while pretty much the entire world knows americans eat pure poisonous slop that turns them into these obese diabetic monstrosities
>drinking anything other than a VB LoooooOOOOOOOOngNECK (at twenny to eight in the fackin' mornin')i shiggy diggy you diggy do not do zis, monsieur
>>201473779*can't help but accuse
>>201473678>it's this way to protect the customer>Otherwise I can sell shitty wine and say it's champagne and leave the customer to find real champagne himselfThis is a poor and illegitimate excuse. If it were a protection that you can't claim its literally from champagne then yeah no shit but you legally couldnt even call it Champagne style wine (which people would understand) which is all just done to create a forced monopoly.>most people don't consider non whites to be french, wtf are you talking about. just because the government doesn't make the distinction doesn't mean the population doesn't as well.> Also I find this comment funny coming from an American. Your identity is far more like what you describe than ours. And every time this country tried to create a civic identity it was always in imitation of yoursPierre please. Every aspect of our civic identity is in imitation of you. Your country outlawed the recognition and collection of demography back when we were owning slaves. My parents were born when the US still had an immigration policy based on "free white men of good character."Don't try and pull this shit when everyone who knows anything about France will know you're talking out of your ass. Frenchman is practically synonymous with black man at this point.
>>201473762>We still buy your cheese, bro. I saw it next to the macaroons last week.yeah the ones made in america or the ones that are not banned in the first place.>>201472406>We have food and safety standards while your standards are completely made up to preserve your ego.lmaocrazy how our standards (EU) are pretty much the same as all somewhat developed countries except the US.>>201473532can I call this an authentic Ford Mustang made in Texas?why not, it's basically the same thing.
>>201473869>can I call this an authentic Ford Mustang made in Texas?>why not, it's basically the same thing.If its make and model were a ford mustang, it could be made in Bavaria and still be an authentic ford mustang. Just as how champagne made here is champagne. also they don't make ford mustangs in texas they make them all over.
>>201473865>Your country outlawed the recognition and collection of demography back when we were owning slaves.that was in 1978. You didn't have slaves in 1978
>>201471492It's literally named after a region of France, pf course if you grow it somewhere else it's not Champagne anymore
> noooooooooo you don't understand the terroir and the climate and the dirt from the algerian farmhands are all integral parts of the taste of ze wine nooooooooo
>>201474105Perhaps you meant 1958? That's at least in your 1958 constitution. Regardless this was still actually practiced in terms of equality under the law from 1798 with the declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen. Something which French cucks are incredibly proud of while American libshits are very ashamed of our interpretation of all men being created equal.
>>201474206>algerian farmhandslmao I've been doing vendanges on five summers in different castles and never once saw a dark skinthey don't like alcohol, it's forbidden in their religion
>the terroir and the climate yes it is in fact important, no one who knows anything about winemaking would deny that so you're probably either trolling or insanely stupid either way no one wants to drink your donkey piss and don't call it champagne the end
>>201474257>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Viticultural_Areaexplain this
>>201471492I call all sparkling wine champagne because it sound better and it's shorter to spell. Catalan Cava is better anyway.
>>201471492Food is all much of Europe has going for them these days between socialism, speech laws, sodomites, faggotry, adultery, fornication, abomination, and Islamic invasion.
>>201474343That's unamerican coast cucks and France transplants trying to appropriate you. That being said if they create a wine there, it could legally be genericized and still be sold.
>>201471492NOOOON T'ES QU'UN PORC INCIVIL AMERICAIN TU NE PEUX PAS L'APPELER CHAMPAGNE TE COMPRENDS?? SEULEMENT LA FRRRANCE PEUT PRODUIRE LE VIN PETILLANT PARCE QUE JE DIS ÇA QU'EST-CE QUE LA BAS? L'ITALIE ET L'ESPAGNE? NOOOOOOOOON
>>201474257>That's at least in your 1958 constitution.things can be added to the constitution. Recently macron added the right to abortion lolThis specifically was added in 2007.>Regardless this was still actually practiced in terms of equality under the law from 1798 with the declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen.no? also careful anon, you hatred of us is showing
>>201474491>also careful anon, you hatred of us is showingIt is? Good
>>201474431>unamerican coast cucks> Augusta, Missouri, was the first recognized AVA, gaining the status on June 20, 1980
>>201473869Still there. Do you think ALL French cheese is illicit in the USA?
>>201474553The mississippi river has a coast. It's still coast cuck logic which is why California has a gazillion of them.
>>201471562our ketchup is better than your vinegar red crap
It's a problem for americans because they can't think normal household objects as nothing but brands, vacuum cleaners are "hoovers" and tissue is "kleenex"
je suis trop puissant mes freres...
I've rarely seen an OP being that delusional and blinkered. Dozens of anons prove you wrong and you keep digging your own grave. That's so pathetic.
>>201474733No one says hoover that's a British thing. Also genericization is better than the opposite. Imagine the world if most people said>Noo you can't call that a hamburger as it wasnt made in hamburg>You can't call it New York style pizza you have to call it big flat foldable pizza or else somewhere a man in Little Italy criesBlow it out your ass, fingol
don't care, I will never call it """"""""""""sparkling wine"""""""""""
>>201474735>mes freres...ok nafri
Blindfold every French man and force him to identify which region each wine is from based on taste alone. Force him to identify whether a wine is foreign or not. If he fails, bullet in the head. Problem solved. Any issues?
>>>201474766>euros need to prove point about le special wine and cheese naming
Location definitely matters with wineBurgundy is a great way to experience that because they have a ton of tiny parcels and subdivisions (as opposed to say Bordeaux and its vast château domains)I've done tests with a friend who makes a living doing private tastings and selling wine. I already liked wine but I was skeptical as to just how much location matters.We bought several bottles made a mere 1-2 kilometers from each others, sometimes the parcels were contiguous. Same breed of grapes (pinot noir, Burgundy's most emblematic), same years (ensuring any possible flavor differences were not due to climatic differences from one year to another), but different soil geology everytime and different sun exposureWell they all tasted noticeably different even for my not so trained palate and significantly so sometimesIf you also factor in age, climate in a given year, vinification processes, types of grapes, early or late harvest, quality of the soil and other things there are hundreds of different combinations that can result in as many different flavors which makes wine so beautiful but also intimidating to get into New Worlders "solved" that by dropping terroir entirely in their marketing and focusing solely on grape breed. They don't buy a location they buy a cabernet, a pinot, a merlot. It's dumbing it down.There is still excellent wine in the USA and elsewhere like NZ and Chile but this simplification for the masses typical of American consumption culture is why I can't take the average burger seriously about wine
And it's the same for cheese. It's greatly influenced by the diet of the animals. The same cheese from the same farm will taste different whether it's made with winter milk when the animals are barn fed or summer milk when they're grazing outside on the local plants. Are Wisconsin cows eating the same flora as cows in Normandie ? Nah they're not it's a whole different continent, likely different breeds of cows too, probably not even raw milk, therefore even though your Wisconsin "camembert" probably tastes great, it's just not a camembert. But they'll still want to call it that because it sells and because it's simpler to say "it just refers to a style" instead of a educating a public used to instant gratification And it's not even a specifically anti American statement, I will say the same if I ever see a German or Italian "camembert" in a store. Good maybe, but still using an innacurate name
>daily France hate thread, broight to you by a shart™ or an aushit
I think a lot of the arguments against it make sense but also it makes mutts seethe a lot so I support it.
>>201477302The French are seething which is wonderful.
Why is it so hard for retarded new worlders to understand that champagne is the name of sparkling wine made in the region of Champagne just like there are sparkling wines made all over europe that have other names like cava, prosecco, calvet, mum or cremant?Feel free to make sparkling wine and call it whatever the fuck you want instead of whining about how you can't usurp the popularity of a century old tradition.
>>201471979The name of that type of cheese is granular cheese. Parmesan is just a name people came up with to imitate parmigiano.Likewise, the name of that type of wine is sparkling wine, not Champagne.
>>201471492>>nooooo u can no call her a man just because she was born as one!!!! it is a self identified female!!!!! if she decides she wants to be a woman she can just become one!!!!!!! or something
>>201472831in Europe we actually learn geography
>>201471979We have a cheese soaked in brine that comes from a naturally salty source of water. It's what gives the cheese its specific taste. How will you replicate that? Just add some salt to the tap water bro?
>>201477966it's weird how much new world chuds hate tradition considering they are constantly wanting to retvrn to it
>>201476394Which type of wine with respect to weather conditions and soil conditions tastes the best?
>>201478146What is the chilean valley with biggest wine production? Answer without googling
>>201478166Yeah you actually can replicate saltwater, you just have to use the same proportions of diluted salts and it will be the same thing
>>201477966>>201478002Why do you want to rule over language? Now will you seethe about "french fries" too? >Noooo these fries werent made in France you cant call them that!! People will think they were made in France!!!lmao retards
>>201478852Stupid baboon no one cares about where french fries come from, if you think you're making a good argument here you're a low brow retard
>>201471492Why don't you just use a different term for your sparkling wine products like anybody else does? Germany has Winzersekt, which also uses the same production procedure as Champangne - but its not called like that.>>201472453>Nobody cares if the beef is from TexasThere is a certain prestige associated with different production locations like Argentinia or Ireland for beef.>It's just a common name for bubbly wine.The common term is sparkling wine.>>201472831That's not true at all.
>>201478737Deep underground stream vs tap water with salt, magnesium and calcium tablets in it
>>201478894In the same way I can say french fries from France or french fries from McDonalds you can say champagne for Champagne and champagne from Chile. Nothing is stoping you from that. In our countries the word champagne isn't associated with the fucking region of Champagne, like no one sane would think all french fries are from France
>>201479001Water is water. If all concentrations of solutes are the same it will be the same susbtance
>>201471492I don't get your problem. Champagne is a region of France, so naturally only wine coming from this region can be called Champagne. It is its definition. You can make sparkling wine anywhere else but it is not Champagne. It is sparkling wine from X, it can taste much better than Champagne if the winemaker from X are excellent, but it is not Champagne.I agree that Champage is overpriced because of all the people flaunting their wealth with expensive bottles, (plus Champagne is a blend of wine modernly designed to always taste good to the average buyer so it's hard to find good variations at affordable prices). But what is so hard about not stealing the name of the heritage of generations of excellent winemakers? Make your history fucking muttt. buy exclusively crémant of JuraBy the way, there's a tiny village in Switzerland called Champagne making wine and they got absolutely destroyed by powerful Champagne lobbies, they are not even able to sell their wine under their own name kek
Would europeans have a stroke if they found out we call picrel french bread and we dont even pay royalties for France for it?
>>201479195Ze politicians made ze definition, chud!! You cant disrespect ze definition! You dont have a licence for zis vord
>>201471893Italy is the name of the ancient Roman region. It's not Italy otherwise
>>201476521>same for cheesePierre, should I tell you about the eternal swiss butthurt that Gruyère, Emmental, and Raclette are part of the common french idioms, yet are regional swiss cheeses (with their AOP and shit) tasting different from their "french" counterpart?
>>201479203You Brazilians call that type of bread because of historical reasons, not because Brazilian bakers are trying to benefit off of the reputation of French bread to sell their own bread like American sparkling wine makers are doing with French Champagne.
>>201478896Yeah, that's true at all. We use the generic word champagne for the beverage for etymological reasons. That's just how we call all """"sparkling wine"""", we arent trying to make people think our champagne is made in Champagne
>>201479270It's a matter of protecting a name or a brand, like intellectual property. It's normal to protect it to some level, no?
>>201479203Anon, the issue is not you what name a given product that is produced and sold within your countries. Its when you want to export your brazilian sparkling wine (which you may call champagne) into the EU, where it has to comply with EU wide standards and the protected geographical indication is part of that.
>>201479331People call sparkling wive champagne for the same sort of historical reasons, they arent trying to fool consumers, it's just a fucking name
>>201479345Collective intelectual property for a whole region. Of course it had to come from the USES (Union of Socialist European States)
>>201479362I actually agree with respecting your dumb rules, you have the right to be like that. The problem ITT is that europeans want to police language for all uses, look how they are mad simply because we name products after european places. They arent OK with Steve from California making and selling champagne to be consumed in Ohio
>>201479338You keep using the word etymology but you do not know what that means. Etymology refers to the study of the linguistic sense of the word. Etymology itself means : "etymo" : true sense and "logy" : science, study of.This makes no sense in the way you are trying to use this word but maybe in baboonland throwing complicated words around makes you look smart.
>>201471492I don't expect a yank to understand being proud of your traditions
>>201479579(countable) An account of the origin and historical development of a word as presented in a dictionary or the like. synonym ▲quotations ▼Synonym: derivation(countable) The direct origin of a name, as in who someone was named after. >Euros try not to be passive aggressive snob fuckers for 3 seconds, challenge (Impossible)
>>201479525No one cares that you use the word champagne to refer to sparkling wine colloquially. No one.It only becomes an issue when you try to put products on the market that belong to a controlled designation of origin, therefore creating a copycat
>>201479626Your poor pinhead the definition you put out proves me right.Now look up the definition of champagne in the portuguese dictionnary. Here is the direct translation of the portuguese language oxford dictionary
>>201479525>They arent OK with Steve from California making and selling champagne to be consumed in OhioThat's because European exporters want to sell their products outside of Europe as well, so if an American sees Steve's "Champagne" right beside the more expensive imported French Champagne at a market, they'll buy Steve's "Champagne" thinking it's equal in quality to real French champagne.As an example, would you like it if non-Brazilian beef producers started selling their beefs overseas with the names of Brazilian beefs?
>>201479632This controlled designation of origin is a european invention. You actually care if an Argentinean cheese maker is selling swiss cheese to their clients in Mercosul even if Europe is not involved, because you created a cartel over food names
>>201473029>So it could be hobo wine made with a child's red grape juice and it would still be champagne if it were made there?Nope, it can all be called Champagne if it's made with the traditional Champagne techniqueRed wine in Champagne is under another appellation
>>201479741>This controlled designation of origin is a european invention.It is, so is your country.>You actually care if an Argentinean cheese maker is selling swiss cheese to their clients in Mercosul even if Europe is not involved, because you created a cartel over food namesMercosul is free and encouraged to adopt similar regulations to the EU in this regard so you can protect your high quality products.I still don't understand what about this triggers this baboon rage you've been displaying
>>201479525Because we want to uplift you and your products to stand on their own merits; without the need to attach a prestigious and yet foreign label to themselves :) We believe in you, new world Anons :)
>>201479309I'm aware and it's a legitimate grievance kek
>>201472859>Soil and climate are factors, so not really.>implying the soil and climate you have in those regions right now is 1:1 the exact same as it was 200 years agolet's do a soil analysis of those trademarked regions, let's see if they're differentif we find even a trace of synthetic fertilizers, or pesticides, or diesel/lubricants from the tractors, then that argument is null
>>201479697> some eurofuckery wrote in hoaxford dicktionary by euroids defending eurofuckery
We have a town called Champagne and has been doing wine since more than 1000 years ago.But 20 years ago we somehow cucked and accepted to drop the name. Of course they all went bankrupt quick after.
>>201479978Here are a few exemples from portuguese dictionnaries you lowlife subhumanhttps://dicionario.priberam.org/champanhahttps://www.dicio.com.br/champanhe/https://michaelis.uol.com.br/busca?palavra=champanhe&r=0&f=0&t=0You'll notice how they all define the word as being sparkling wine from the champagne region of franceIs that too hard to understand for you?
>>201480005Well deserved, do your own fucking wine, stop stealing other people's accomplishments
>>201480231all three of those dictionaries point out that any wine that imitates those produced in champagne are part of the definition, dummy
>>201480376The Swiss town or Champagne is well within its rights to use its 1,000 year old name to sell its Chanpagne.
>>201480376Not sure if joking but that's like asking people to change their name because there's someone called John in Game of Thrones and they copyrighted it.
If it's not produced in the Champagne region then it's not champagne.You can't just steal other people's names and make money off of it. Champagne being famous is the result of French people's labor. How about you work, produce good wine and make your own regions famous?
why are muttmericans so afraid of competition?
>>201480426>by extensionYeah, i'm right. Colloquial use doesn't make a definition
>>201479697>>201480231they changed their entries for political reasons. You actually made me go looking for all the dusty dictionaries I could find in my house and take photos, congratulations. Now suck it up
>>201480701Now you can throw away your old dusty dictionaries and refer to an updated and more truthful version as seen here >>201480231
>>201480842lmao
>>201480505you all keep stealing greek names / mythology / famous places and events as names without any shame
>>201480701Nobody cares about your definitions.Champagne as a name is famous and trusted because of French people's hard work. The reason you want to call your wines Champagne and not Guaravera is because you want to profit off of Champagne's region accomplishments.
>>201480892Mythology isn't tied to a specific place. The entire Mediterranean used to worship Greco-Roman gods.Even now most of the world follows Christianity which is a Middle-Eastern religion. I've never seen anyone complain about foreigners following their religion.
>>201480920yeah just like those damn american mcdonalds want to profit from France's name calling their fries "french fries," we really should call it freedom fries in english. French kiss? That's a tongue kiss, sweatie, read the latest definition uptade™ for gosh shake. This is kinda problematic like spanish flu or greek gift
>>201479709The californian one probably has greater quality anyone.>As an example, would you like it if non-Brazilian beef producers started selling their beefs overseas with the names of Brazilian beefs?I wouldn't care because I don't have severe autism. This actually sort of already happens, there are "Brazilian steak houses" in the United States that just make barbecue in the Brazilian style and that's totally fine
>>201481447*probably has greater quality anyway
>>201481007> based in Europe> named after island Java> sells stuff branded as colombian, indian, etc
>>201471854We always called it like that
>>201478166>naturally salty source of water Nigga I'll just go to the Pacific and throw it in.
If anything Europeans should be happy we call it champagne. Maybe somebody drinking our champagne or Argentinian/Chilean champagne would be excited to try some sewage from Europe along the way
>>201482316Yet Apple tried to sue Samsung over a fucking rectangle. Curious!
>>201482378That's their corporate patent and trademark, Apple phones aren't special because they're made in Cupertino
>>201478737This is what really irks them. For centuries they built up the myth that European products were inherently special because they came from Europe and were made by Europeans. Meanwhile in the modern world we can not only replicate their products anywhere but even surpass them in capturing the product's essence through careful design
>>201482761Is a geometric figure their patent?
>>201483036The form of the phone is detailed in the patent, approved by European authorities.
>>201480920>bring up definition of champagne as proof that it refers to a region of france>get shown the definition is broad and it includes wines not made in that region>"nobody cares about definitions"lol>>201480640languages aren't dictated by governments, they follow colloquial useif everyone in a region starts to use the word "fglap" to refer to the sun, eventually that gets added to the dictionary, you seem to think it's the other way around for some reasonI guess being european gives you a +10 to deferring to authority
>>201483081So Samsung couldn't use a geometric figure but american winemakers can copy a name to mislead the consumers while undercutting the original product?
>>201471492>all the angry replies are french and italianlike fucking potteryI WILL NOT BUY PARMESAN
>>201472149but you can buy a breeding pair of texan cows and make your own texan beef?
>>201473532Grapes vines grow from the soil. They draw nutrients from the ground and water. Before 20th century my town was known for its wine all the way back into Roman empire times. In 20th century the industry built has destroyed the vineyard, the pollution ruined the soil and grapes are polluted and toxic, so the wine turns out much worse.
>>201483323>if everyone in a region starts to use the word "fglap" to refer to the sun, eventually that gets added to the dictionary, you seem to think it's the other way around for some reasonThen you have an entire region of midwits who use a word improperly. Is it their fault? No. Does that mean they're right? No
>>201483678interestingdo you think all the words and definitions for every language have always existed since before mankind came to be?how about languages like english where tons of words were slowly incorporated from other languages, to the point some words could even be considered misspells of germanic words? is 60% of the english languages just incorrect and improper? if so, are you struggling to understand this post because your brain keeps on reverting to ancient definitions of the words I'm using?languages are a consensus, not a mandate, how do you not know this
>>201484023I'll make it easy for youThe fact that some south americans use the term champagne or champag/hna/e to refer to any kind of sparkling wine does not remove its original meaning which is a sparkling wine from the french region of champagne.The concept of champagne being a sparkling wine from champagne does not change.Call a cow a donkey, it's still a cow.Understand now?
>>201471979Complete truthbomb obliterating seething europoors
>>201484158>some south americans use the term champagnelots of countries do, to the point I didn't know champagne was a region of france until I was like 18, which kinda defeats the argument of "you're stealing the hard work of french winemakers"where do you draw the line for "taking advantage"? are you allowed to call a diesel engine a diesel engine even if it's not manufactured by the diesel family in bavaria?
>>201486415I have answered every single point you're trying to make in this thread, feel free to scroll up.You sudacas really are dense
>>201471492champagne literally means sparkling wine from champagne so why would you call it that when its not sparkling wine from champagne? im genuinely confused about this? ypu can call it whatever the fuck you want so why do you insist on calling it what its not?
>>201472089>Solar system moves all the time, we already far away from original point in space where first bottle has been producedit's not the point in space, it's the region on earth. Champagne itself moved with us.
>>201486624"Champagne" is an ethnic name for sparkling wine. Mexicans don't get pissy about people growing agave and making tequila outside of the city of Tequila, Mexico. We don't call burritos circular sandwiches because burrito is a fun ethnic name that defines a concept.
>>201487578>"Champagne" is an ethnic name for sparkling wine.No.It's the name given to a specific sparkling wine made in a specific place.
>>201486496your points were "look at the definition subhuman" and then when people pointed out that the definition includes any wine made in a similar manner you said "the definition is incorrect" so which one is it
>>201487671As I said, an ethnic name. It's like how tequila is an ethnic name for agave spirit. Once upon a time, these names had geographic relevance. Now it's just a fancy sounding name.
>>201472066>this is of course a complete inversion of the truth,>IT IS FAKE IN MY MIND DON'T YOU DARE INSULT MY PISS TASTING GRAPE WATER!!!
>>201487742>As I said, an ethnic name.No. You were saying that champagne is just an "ethnic" term that refers to all sparkling wines, which it is not. Moving the goal post?>Once upon a time, these names had geographic relevanceLike... champagne being made exclusively in champagne???? Just shut the fuck up already
>>201472149nobody cares or thinks "champagne" means made in france except for elitist snobs. nobody can even point to champagne on a map.you don't walk into a store and go "yes hello i'd like some liquid from champagne france, any variety will do" because that would be fucking retarded. everybody knows champagne means sparkly wine. literally everybody. stop being retarded.
>>201472570>anyone who is serious about wine consumption caresi can't imagine being this big of a fucking loser holy shit. wine people are the most annoying bunch of faggots on this planet. i will call all sparkling wine champagne if ONLY to piss off these insufferable dickheads.
>>201481007>Mythology isn't tied to a specific placeHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>201487742No, the French name for sparkling white wine would be crémant or mousseux. Champagne refers to sparkling wine from Champagne. Sparkling wine from other places are named after those places (Crémant d'Alsace, de Bourgogne, etc.)
>>201488057he's italian, he thinks his smegma goat cheese is a cultural staple (also original donut steal or EU police come for you)
>>201488313Look man I don't know what a creamant is. I just know that champagne is sparkling wine you drink at fancy events
>>201487893Unless you're calling it "C"hampagne, it's any similar white wine. No anons have capitalized it in this thread unless they start a sentence with it, not even the Euroslaves.Give it up man, it ain't the 1200s anymore, nobody knows about the region of Champagne.
>>201488495Cremant means "that is creamy"
>>201471979eurosissies, your response?
>>201488832Lmao that's the best you could come up with, pathetic, sit down
>>201472066>coping and seethingit's over
>>201489138Zesty ahh frenchboisFinna give you some cream ant d'mi penis>>201489421The dictionary is just pulling from common parlance stop crying
>>201489601>a-a-ackhually i was only refering to Champagne with a capital C!!Thanks for the laugh retard, sometimes it's better to admit you're wrong than to dig your hole deeper
>>201489421> Lmao that's the best you could come up with, pathetic, sit downIn the end EVERYONE on earth calls champagne as champagneEVERY market with trillions of customers use “c-word” and earn gazillions on it. In Every Country On Eartnhttps://www.amazon.com/champagne/s?k=champagneSo who’s pathetic?
>>201489745>So who’s pathetic?You are. What are you even trying to prove with this amazon link to different champagne accessories?Jesus christ you're fucking retarded
>>201472335OH NO NO NO FRENCHSISTERS HOW DO WE COPE
>>201489879The bread part is that they held a 20 year and 30 year anniversary of that infamous tasting because garlic chewers kept screeching about their wines aging better. The American ones still won every single category, every single time.>The French wine producers had many years' experience making wine, whereas the California producers typically had only a few years' experience; the 1972 vintage was Clos Du Val's very first, yet it performed better than any of its French competitors.
>>201471492Lmao this is basically a scam to charge 10x the actual priceThere's no other way to put it
>>201471979>Europoors don't know what Wisconsin cheese is considered the best quality in the Americas
>>201489824> What are you even trying to proveThe entire thread explains to him that no one cares where the alcoholic piss is produced and that the name “champagne” is used everywhere, regardless of european idiocy.Well, how can I explain it to you more clearly? What is it you don’t understand?> you're fucking retardedrelax. I didn't mean to make you hysterical and tear your hair out
>>201490683That* god damn it
>>201472149>We do not copy American products in Europe and claim they are AmericanSIGNORÉ!
>>201472149>>201490822picrel is the most famous brand of 'burger here.should we pay reparations?
>>201491022also notice the "brazilian industry" mark in the bottom right. This means it was made here and not really in Texas as one could be mislead to believe
>>201490822watch them say Hawaiian pizza is just a style so it's "not the same thing" lmao
>>201490726>the name “champagne” is used everywhereBut that's a you problem. Lets put in in words new worlder consumers can understand.People will use the word "coke" to refer to any cola beverage. That doesnt mean that any cola beverage producer can name its product "Coca-Cola", even if it tastes similar.I can draw in the same style as any Disney movie, yet I cannot claim my rule 34 drawings as a Disney product, despite the fact that it was produced in the exact same way (pen and paper).Consider "Champagne" as a brand of sparkling wine that is collectively owned by the wine producers of the Champagne region. They can decide, as owners of the brand, who can call its product "Champagne".
are americans genuinely retarded?
>>201491195> That doesnt mean that any cola beverage producer can name its product "Coca-Cola"But i can use champagne The law let me do thatIt’s just a word
>>201491444Same way "Samsung" is just a word. Maybe in some country they allow anyone to make Samsung products too. That this mean the Samsung company should allow anyone to make money based on this word?
man I'm so so glad the jews routinely kill thousands of these muttscan't wait for the next 9/11 mass sacrifice broadcatsed live worldwide, might even open a bottle of Champagne™ for the occasion
>French and Italians are the only countries with Terroir>Terroirlets can't get it Holy fuck it's real
>>201491564In the context of "champagne" I can use any word for any place on earth, Korea, Tokyo, Java, Moscow, Kiev, etc. And so do you
>>201492474Champagne is the name of the brand, same as parmesan or Apple, and I live in a country that is generally pretty respectful of patent and copyright laws.
>>201492682> illegally use power to steal a word> pretty respectful of patent and copyright lawsDude… I mean monsieur…You don't even have any doubts about legality of this move. Wow
>>201492926How did "champagne" became an used word in Russia? Was it pure coincidence, or was it related to the sparkling wines of the Champagne region?
>>201491332Europe was like the warring tribes of Arabia for hundreds of years before we intervened
>>201491332No, in real life they’re either sophisticated enough not to argue these retarded points or they’re not interested in trolling Europeans on 4chan about wine
>>201493093And?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Connection_(clothing)
>230 postsdamn this got frenchoids good
>>201494185French connection is a brand and you cant use that brands name to make your own clothes, not sure where you're going with this.
>>201471893Autism
>>201494418> French connection is a brandCorrect. And “french” itself isn’t. So doesn’t “champagne”. Champagne isn’t a trademark, choco pie isn’t a trademark, pizza isn’t a trademark cola isn’t either
>>201494418Im going to make a line of gay sex toys called "French Faggotry" here in America and I will make sure that the French flag is plastered all over the packaging with pictures of Paris.
>>201494877But champagne is a brand.
>>201492468>other countries can't understand what terroir is
Don't pretty much all countries have geographically-tied products? I'm pretty sure Bourbon, among other requirements, can only be made in the U.S.
>>201473220Prosseco is manufactured using different process than champagne. Using the argument when discussing wines is doubly stupid because apellations are a thing that actually matter
>>201473150>>all these seething posts in a language that nobody in the EU even speaks nativelyIreland
So much seething because no one cares about their irrelevant rules
>I posted more bait mommy XDmr pillstein, more oxycontin plz the mutts are still alive
>>201495324what is the company?
American champagne with red 40>now pops
>>201497683>https://www.champagne.fr/fryou third world niggas need everything spoonfed to you uh?
>>201495504isnt that the sound elephants make?
>>201498180do you read french in your cunt?
>>201498180So the committee of "Hillsides, houses and cellars of Champagne" is your claim for trademark over something they call also call a "Unesco World Heritage" ?
>>201499314lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_hillsides,_houses_and_cellars
>>201495942The original ESLs lol
>>201497683https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Champagne_houses
>>201499961lol fair point but in this case none of us speak our original ooga booga native language
>>201500118No Champagne™ Inc. there either
>>201500238It's called AOC you dumb cunthttps://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_(AOC)
>>201500435https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation_d%27origine_contr%C3%B4l%C3%A9eNot a company
>>201500561I said it was a brand owned by a collective of producers.
lol I can't believe this bread is still upI made it as a shit post last night and forgot about it only to see it again to dayall of your post are incredibly autistic and entertaining, thanks dudes
>>201500694wtf is this socialist bullshit
>>201480920you already get the credit of owning the 'real version' of champagne and what notbut he is correct in his assessment of how 99% of people use that word as a proxy for wine made in that same style, but not necessarily from that region. Same happens with parmesan, rockefort, etc. No one is autistic enough to rant about 'I WANT A REAL ROCKEFORT CHEESE REEEE' In place of the generic one. This dynamic exists in most of the americas, from argentina to canada.
>>201478852We don't even call those "french fries", since for us top quality fries are made in belgium.
>>201487578No.If I want to taste italian Prosecco or slovene penina, I buy a bottle of these wines. They're different from champagne because they grow in a different location, and I'm glad I can know what I buy beforehand.
>>201472570you do know that by law product labels still make it explicit whenever a product was made in the fashion of X and is not actually X, right? from the US to Brazil e.g. "queijo do tipo Rockefort"
>>201502640I thought Belgium was a state in France? Or at least a territory, like Puerto Rico
>>201502640t. benoit van loomdervaantop quality fries are also found in the north of france, belgium and there are constantly fighting between the best fries and even if belgium comes on top it doesn't mean that the others are shit
>>201471492Eurocels regulate. Americhads create.That's just how it is.>MONSIEUUUUUR it is le 100% ancient french wine MONSIEUUUUUUUR oui it uses le American grapes but MONSIEUUUUUUUUURlol.
Actually kind of incredible how stubbornly dumb euroids are being even in the face of MANY explanations that a child could understand.
>>201503799Yet you can't import many foreign products because of the FDA
>>201487972>nobody can even point to champagne on a map
>>201503913We don't need to import your shit. We have 100x the amount of land that you do and in pretty much every climate. We can make a perfect or superior replica of anything in europe. See above where you got BTFO by California. The only people that bother with your junk are pretentious faggots that get off on appearing worldly because they know the name of some random shithole chateau.
I like European stuff
>>201504061Why do you keep buying our cheese and wine then?
>>201504365We export far more than we import. Also learn to read.
btw we don't need to call it Champagne because our sparkling wine is of excellent quality and if we call it Prosecco or Spumante d'Asti or Moscato everyone will buy it anywayyou're free to call it the Whatever Fizzy from Fresno, maybe you can sell it in a carton at Walmart lol
>>201504409Not with franceYou import 6 times the value from france than you export thereThat's because wealthy americans can afford the good expensive stuff while you sustain yourself with government cheese tacos
>>201504061>See above where you got BTFO by CaliforniaAt what? Wine tasting? There are wine tasting competitions every year.
