Church Street Edition
>>202424347for me I meangoodbye to all your friends and family and everything you know and most of your stuffit's longin any case might still consider the working holiday visa if gfstein is on board. we have discussed it.
might be getting a job where i work:>12hr shifts>4 days >then 4 days off>4 nightsand then it just repeatsis that good
gfstein is american so if I marry her I guess one day I will live there
rorke on the pull
>>202424453amazon warehouse?
>>202424453don't tell me you've been working there all these years without a job lad
he has a point you know
>>202424468no an IT security jobremote so ill be in the house
>>202424453>he doesnt knowthats the most common 4 on 4 off shift pattern matesecurity guard is it?
>>20242445312 hour shifts sound grim. I could work my 35 hours in 4 days if I wanted to but don't event want to do 9 hour days
UnempIoymentstein doing me in
Might go to the pub for a few pints tonight lads.
>>202424474grimology what people in muttmerica need to put up with
>>202424480REMOTE??? holy based you can just sleep and play games all shift
mrs macs meat pie up the arse
>>202424303Why should people choose between the somali and the englishman how about neither? You can both go back to england
>>202424505hes canadian you idiot
There's one British girl in my uni class and she's the only one with a fake tan and lots of makeup. All of the Aussie and American girls are pale as milk by contrast.
>>202424474>men who are only not having sex because they refuse to date fit asians or brown qts due to racial beliefsWho is he actually talking about here? Members of the Aryan Brotherhood? The hypothetical person he's describing simply... doesn't exist.
>>202424480sounds comfy but remote night shift would be incredibly odd
>>202424531north america is a thing you utter imbecile
>>202424535FOLC
>>202424535fan tan hands and a hoop!
>>202424498you only have yourself to blame
>>202424512yeah but its the nightshift shite i cant be bothered with
>>202424535fake tan hands and a hoop~
fan tan
>>202424562yeh that is honestly fairly horrible
>>202424447me on the right except i have never had a gf not even a chungus one
*gestures by bringing my hands up and cupping them around the ballbag area*those are amazing
>>202424453that's the same as me except I only work 8 hours, and only do night shift + I'm white, unlike you
>>202424573rorke just wants to dance~
>>202424462in my head this has the same cadence as 'in this moment i am euphoric not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence'why is reddit like this
imagine if they turned greenland into a cyberpunk supercity in the future when every other area becomes too hot for habitation
Mango Mussolini
>>202424577and since its 4x4 i'll end up getting nightshift during the weekend which is poo>>202424585dont know why you think im nonwhite
cold and very sad today
Nightshift seems like it could be comfy in a way but I'm sure it's probably grim.only nightshift job I applied for was nights at Tesco Extra, for which I was rejected. Imagine getting rejected from tesco you say? Well I don't have to imagine.
>>202424535yh?
>>202424543wrong! I could've dated a pretty Vietnamese girl but didn't because I don't want my kids to be non-whites. he is 100% on the mark
not reading any of your posts because we live in infinite space where nothing really matters
>>202424626they don't want some mentally ill tranny scratching their arms with the blunt bread knives at 3am in the morning for attention, tilde
>>202424613aww give us a hug*squeezes your arse*
>>202424641You could've given her a root at least, have some fun m8.
How does one become fearless
>>202424663get really drunk
>>202424663fearlessness is ignorance, better to become brave
>>202424663what is dead may never die
>>202424662I actually don't have anything racially against east and south east Asians, so I didn't want to hurt her feelings by leading her on. I'm white so I have honour and integrity
Imagine not being a salaried professional
>>202424684always cringed at this in the showit's like if you asked an 8 year old to come up with a super deep and philosophical motto
Any other gymcels in?
Husbands a shit dad so I forced him to take the kids out one weekend without me so I could have an affair with a guy from work. Since then my husbands started to do more with the kids and is a much better person. I now find him attractive again. Is that a win win?
>>202424698Yeah but you could've just had a few roots and made it clear it was temporary.
racismlads one weakness: puffy pink asian vagina
OI MATE WAJU RECKON? STARMER'S A CUNT?
>>202424732corrr sexo
>>202424732More of a middle eastern minge fan myself.
>>202424732instead of puffy in shape you're now imagining it puffy like a pair of bellows
>>202424751tobes
mad how people in professional jobs don't actually do that much work yet get paid wages far beyond the realm of the degreeless wageoids who are essentially modern day beasts of burden, stacking shelves and moving pallets and answering phones for 8 hours a day non-stopwhen you listen to professionals be candid about their jobs they seem to mainly sit around, perhaps send a few emails, then collect their £60k+ salaries. Which is to say nothing of the people at the very top.
whats a toy you always wanted and never had? for me it was one of these motorised kid cars. some of them were were all too real. basically a quad bike for an 8 year old
>A schoolboy has been allowed to identify as a wolf, according to reports. >The British secondary school pupil claims to suffer from “species dysphoria”, a non-clinical condition in which an individual feels their body belongs to a different species.
>>202424783i earn very little but i also do very little so that sounds fair to me
>>202424798Only a little bit weirder than how trannies operate
>>202424797nothingi was a spoiled little bitch
>>202424722you know not all women are interested in that right?>>202424732racism lad here. I made it quite clear a few posts above that I was not interested in Asian vaginas. please refrain from mentioning me again
>>202424744use both ya eyes
>>202424822were you my neighbour
>>202424824M8 racism just isn't on, it's not a good look. Jog on m8.
>>202424744Keir is so widely loathed he can only appear in public within gifted luxury enclosures
>>202424798'allowed' how
>>202424717know this mother of one in her late 30sdecent looking but nothing specialwho goes out with men in their 20s/30s drinking at the weekend lolimagine being the husband in this situationi'm not aware she's ever cheated on him but fuck me why is this going on
>>202424798Wasn't this called other-kin back in the Tumblr days?
>>202424855he has a TA follow him around with treats and poo bags
It appears yankland has copied Have I Got News For Youas our version enters its 68th series in 2 weeks
>>202424798you reckon he has to sit out PE if he doesn't turn up in 2 pairs of trainers?
>>202424855article doesnt say what the hell that meansi can claim to identify as whatever and no one will stop me, im even allowed to identify with the micedoesnt mean shit
>>202424853That pic of him in the army gave me the impression he was the military type loved by virile boomers?
>>202424874>68th series in 2 weeksthey must be knackered
panel shows are cringey
>>202424453its not unusual but honestly i couldnt hack it. did a 6am-2pm, 2pm-10pm, 5 days a week job and only lasted 6 weeks.
Business idea: find a rich woman to hook up with and then spend your life leeching off of her.
>>202424783they actually do a lot of stuff shelf stacking runts can't, they are just more intelligent and articulate so it feels like they aren't doing anything strenuous these are people who can create a corporate strategy deck in a few days without much effort, something I think maureen at tescos probably wouldn't know where to start with
>>202424871what?
Does mousenonce ever actually type up the paragraphs of shit he posts or is he just a Ctrl+V mong?
>>202424480whoops let me correct that >>202424899i thought you were talking about a real job, not it wfhthe most difficult thing about that will be how boring /brit/ gets on the nightshift
>>202424366Can tell just from one picture that this bloke is a strong advocate for transgenderism, for pushing it onto young impressionable children, and for bullying and harassing anybody who disagrees.
>>202424960he has no idea what he's pasting here and yet considers himself an authority on what constitutes spamming/floodingjust report and ignore all spammed off-topic posts
>>202424970well i thought it was remote but it's actually 'hybrid' so fuck knows how often im in the officestill on the fence regarding it
>>202424783Sounds like something you just made up in your head to justify your own feelings of failure and inadequacy.
Can of coke and a cheese toastie for lunch I think
>>202425019Grim little Americanised runt
>>202424783I've been quite busy during wfhtoil today actually only had time to watch one of seadiemark's holiday videos
>>202424883>article doesnt say what the hell that meansYes it does you lying cunt. You can't even read The Telegraph anyway too poor.
Sydney checking inWhere are you from lads?
>>202425035how is a cheese toastie american in any wayif I'd said grilled cheese then yeah maybe
>>202424798Howling at this story There's also some kid wearing a cape and identifying as the moon
I could buy and sell /Brit/ these days lol
>>202425048LIVERPOOL
>>202425063Wish you'd buy a noose and use it
>>202424915>a corporate strategy decka powerpointThen you deliver the powerpoint to a room full of people with 3 other meetings that day, likely over Teams, none of whom give a shite and are themselves blowhards as wellMeanwhile in a warehouse or call centre somewhere the real work of the company is done by overweight people with 90-95 IQs on £20-30k.
>>202424783All those things the simple beasts do, the salarychads could do 10x better if they were at that level
>>202425070Done him.
>>202425063Fucking hell how long was this course? Got mine under £30k but it's back above now because of the interest. Take the piss
when arab children die it's israel's fault because it's their bombs that do it. when israeli children die, it's still israel's fault because their iron dome and the might of the entire western military industrial complex failed or let it happen. i mean this genuinely and unironically
>>202425063bro is in fake debt
>>202425057>The Telegraph discovered that a pupil at a secondary school in the South West was insisting on being addressed as a dinosaur.>At another secondary school in England, a pupil insisted on identifying as a horse, while another wore a cape and wanted to be acknowledged as a moon.
>>202425070Ah yes because you can buy a rope in a hangman's noose from a shop. Joke makes perfect sense
How can I set up a factory to make those little hats the jews wear? Lets just say, I have a plan ;)
>>202425146Surely your family in Bangladesh has some connections in the textile industry?
off to tesco for a meal deal I reckon
>>202425082Not really.They call them dead-end jobs for a reason. You can put the smartest person you like in one of these menial jobs and all they'll do is spin their wheels and burn themselves out.The mechanisms and support structures aren't in place to enable these high-fliers to utilise their full potential. If you put someone with a 130 IQ in Tesco they're not going to revolutionise their personal Tesco store. They'll be ostracised for being a weird autistic cunt and any process improvements they highlight will be seized by Deano the assistant manager, passed off as his own (if they are registered at all) while Jimmy Neutron continues working his shifts as normal.
student debt doesnt matter you wont pay it off until the 30 years are up any wayjust ignore it and live your life
>>202425044go on then what is being allowed to identify as an animalwhy is he allowed to and you arentits just words. kids obviously one of millions of spackers wholl end up on the dole
>Harrowing moment callous US teen girl 'shoots mother dead in their home then calmly texts her friends'
just shot mom [skull emoji]
>>202425210kiss me
>>202425182agree theres not much you can do but its still a big hole in your income for most of your working life, its not completely insignificant
>>202425179>They'll be ostracised for being a weird autistic cuntlol so true
leftypol doing the usual on the furries at school story
>>202425229youre paying for your education, that is worthwhile if you have any semblance of a good job
>>202424783it goes like this>entry level positions (and by extension the menial jobs)actually have to do things/produce work to show people>intermediate jobs/middle managementfuck all to do just tell other people to do things with minor accountability. this is the peak wfh where you do fuck all but sit in meetings or schedule things and take home 50k+ a year>specialist consultants/ceos/w.e.actual shitload of work again where you have to show work to the owners/shareholders but you get paid potentially millions each year.>shareholders/owners (of established/successful business)show up a few times a year, do basic due dilligence, collect however much money you want
You can really feel the downturn in /Brit/ when Australian power hour isn't churning.
*walks into the thread on all six legs* alri
>>202425260churn this*drags a wooden barrel of milk to your feet*
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
>>202424852raping ur mum ain't on but I'm finna do that anyway, no cap
I LOVE MY BOSS
NEET postersGet them housedGet them fedGet them wanked off
>>202425293copy pasted whore makeup
>>202425282*slurp noises*
>>202425293that makeup style is so fucking revolting i don't know why it ever became popular to begin with
I made 93k from crypto 2 years ago and haven’t been to work since does this make me a neet?
>>202425279*makes you camembert*
Want to be humiliated and abused by teenage schoolgirls on a bus
helen defo getting railed while mark makes his shitty videoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnKLEtg6dsI&ab_channel=seasideMARK
>>202425255>>202424783these middle managers 50k+ wfh are the peak beaucratic bloat and the reason why things take longer, new arbitrary rules are invented and so on. these are the people who stop/hinder other people from doing things, basically. majority of the problems in this country are caused by these people ( most civil servants being the governmental example)the cushdy jobs that almost everyone wants as they will fund a decent lifestyle with minimal effort and the sort of thing (like the housing market) once you're in it, you want to do everything in your power to keep it easy for you. as you say the definition of a "working" professional
*runs up the stairs on all fours*Yeah I'm going to spend the evening wanking, rereading ASOIAF and posting on /Brit/
>>202425342Do you need a pager by any chance?
>>202425265giggled and clapped my feet at this image
>>202425318not really but it does make you stupid if you’re just burning through the money with no other plans
>>202425342very funny you write this mousenonce cos i was literally just saying that down the spurstowe arms
been saying it for years, invest in vinyl
Remember the huji filter
Might go into the wanking business
>>202425063Mines paid off in novemberWas 22k at graduation
>>202425380more of a carpet man myself
Never had a pork pie before Never had a curryNever had a stake bake
stake bake
any men about here? reckon I could spark out the lot of you feeble little runts just like I did that wog after a euros semifinal some time past
Lads I need to get rid of some old couches, if I rent a van and take them to the council recycling centre will the lads who work there help me move it to where it needs to go?Or should I get one of those furniture roller/dolly thingjes?Never done this before dont know why I’m asking /brit/ but hey ho
>>202425427Im a 32 year old boy, sir
>a stake bake
>>202425427Poof
>>202425441FOY
>>202425411plan 1 boomer
11
>>202425426>>202425443Steak bake I meant
he earned the right to be such a bastard
>>202425441phone and ask
>>202425441Check the councils website, they might collect them for cheaper than a van an thatI think its 25 quid an item here
Mental how good my brain is at filtering out mn posts, I literally just glance at it for a millisecond and I know it’s him and I move onto the next one. The brain is such a powerful and wonderful thing.
>>202425479may I suggest you make use of the arrow in future
mad how every single object and building in Britain was engineered and built almost exclusively by menmakes you hate women a bit ahahah useless cows
I wish whenever you press post your camera takes a picture off you and attached it to your post. Would love to see what you all look like
>>202425509*puts the camera under my gooch before hitting submit*
>>202425509i look like thsi
TAKBIR
>>202425509you want to see a pic of me pooing? because that’s what I’m doing, a log is halfway out my bum hole rn
>>202425523Looks the same as your face anyway
>getting mad over some nothing daily mail rage bait story about some child claiming to be a wolf or something is it still 2016 or something get a gripour country is being flooded with third world animals
>>202425547Done. Him.
>>202425441Charity shops will take them away for FREE.Shelter / British Heart Foundation / others: look up their websites for furniture donation. You just send a photo of your old couch, they arrange a time for delivery men to come and pick it up from your house for free. You don't even need to take it outside your house.
>>202425509i would do so many wanks to all those faces
>>202425474Genuinely amazing shout thanks lad, yeah they do have that. Much better getting some wagies to do it instead of me, I’ll do that
toil in 2 hours
>>202425554is your imaginary opponent mad about anything else from 20 minutes ago or just that?
what is mad is that new students will pay more of their loans off and faster (and fees will be going up soon) and their loans are wiped after 40 years instead of 30gen A and late zoomers are FUCKED
although I can play guitar, and have a guitar at the foot of my bed - I still play airguitar to myself in the mirror pretty much daily
Might move to China.
>>202425590Vile, looks like something out of an alien movie
Nobody gets to fuck em allSo choose who got want to fuck, and fuck 'em good
>air friar
mousenonce cum tribute compilation #26
>>202425591however will they cope with these completely voluntary and unnecessary incredibly expensive pieces of paperdon't actually answer, I don't need to hear the opinions of a child with buyer's remorse
>>202425479blog on you insufferably boring bastard
last time I checked my student loan it was about £26khave about £50k in savings, tempted to just get that debt off my back and be done with it - since if I don't get it squared away sharpish I'll pretty much never pay it off
>>202425617i do not regret my degree at allyou sound like you had some FOMO there buddio
Mo Gilligan is so funny hahaha what a geezer lad
>>202425637
Doing a big book clear out if anybody wants anything?
>>202425637Enjoy your 3 days
My poos have been quite girthy and meaty lately. Really proud of myself
nuclear logs flying out my pozhole at mach speed
not used a tin of tomatoes in a long timehave three of them just sitting around in my cupboard
pov: you just did a racism
>>202425688>My poos have been quite girthy and meaty latelyThe only such thing in your pants
>His wife Vic, thanks to her love of fashion freebies, has earned the nickname “Victoria Sponger”. And he himself, having stripped 10m OAPs of their winter fuel payment, is now known as “Keir Starmer, Granny Harmer”. Say it to his face!
>>202425707Please support the Italian canned tomato industry
Hello Indian posters! I see a lot of comments above that I had some kind of agenda against India but not at all. I just wrote what I saw as I do about every country. Take a look at what I have said about Britain in the past. I called India a failed state because to me it is in many parts. A country that has awful air pollution. Rubbish that is thrown directly into rivers ( 58% of Delhis rubbish goes straight into the Yamuna River ). Where I saw rats everywhere in the capital city. Where trash lies everywhere. Where noise pollution is ubiquitous. Where traffic is at a standstill. Where people spit constantly in public places. Where infrastructure cannot cope with monsoon rains although the government knows it will happen every year. Where the air often stinks of ammonia because people just piss anywhere and everywhere. Where there are no green spaces for pleasant quiet walks with your family. Where apartment buildings are filthy and falling apart. I said in the post I had changed in six years and that includes my feelings towards all that stuff. In the past I saw it as an exciting and interesting but I suppose as I grew older I'm now disgusted more and more by such things and appreciate my life in Europe more than ever. Anyway no hate towards the people of India who as always I find fun and friendly. If anyone has any questions I'll be happy to answer some in this thread.
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free gear keir
Sir Beer Haver
Just received a mystery pager in the mail, quite chuffed! I'll keep it on my hip at all times :)
Ser Kurt Blumpfer
We use our garage as a home gym and last night after we worked out my gf rode me on the weight bench lol, didn’t think we were particularly loud or anything and I didn’t last long. I’m at work now and the gf just told me the old woman who lives next door came over and told her she heard us and she’d appreciate it if we kept it down next time and saying we should be ashamed doing that where the whole street could hear us (garage door was closed so this wasn’t true)Why are old people all such weird cunts? Does she literally just sit there in silence listening to everything her neighbours do?
I've seen much more hateful and aggressive posts in Facebook comment sections than on 4chan
>>202425713>Victoria Sponger lmao this one's great
>>202425712loooool
somebody doesnt want to learn about amino acids...
Oh behave janny lol
I wonder when New Zealand will stop existing as a country and get absorbed by some foreign power or balkanise into a bunch of little regional things
784 dildos have been seized from diddys home
went to a gig last night and a mosh pit formedjust don't get why you would want to get into a big blender full of people just flinging themselves around
>>202425806>and I didn’t last long.No surprise
>>202425828Cute picture
>>202425830primal urge
>>202425806i think they do this especially blackpeoppo if you say Nword
>>202425830Boring cunt
>>202425830Yeah mate why would people want to have fun
>>202425826and i got a 3 day for posting a picture of a mcdonald's steak egg and cheese bagel
One raw potato down the hatch
>>202425870It was clearly more than that and you're just trying to play the victim Tiresome little yankoid
>>202425830because, if you're smart about it, you can leather a cunt full in the face and get away with
>>202425806aren't British "next door" houses literally the same building just separated by a wall?can't you hear everything your neighbours do above whisper volume?
i am literally Mordekai from the RegularShow
Wish wish wish I was born in a small town in america I fucking despise living in this shit gay country
>>202425892>aren't British "next door" houses literally the same building just separated by a wall?Have you never heard of a semi mate
>>202425903Were born*Hypothetical subjunctive mood
>>202425901you cannot post the mordecais
>>202425903ktim - only thing I think I would struggle with is that anyone can have a gun, reckon that would make me very paranoid
OK its 12:15 already the plan goes into effect. todays plan: smoke - read the rest of this - clean up a little bit :) - read some more - phone calls - shop - shower - study
dude sex lmao
>>202425905Get one every time you post mate ;) xoxo
>>202425892My house is fully detached mate
>>202425933Dude sex lmao orDude, sex, lmao?
get them safely across the channel
poowoggins
>>202425703he is announcing a report in announcing a reportdo your job you avatarflaggot
>>202425924Not anyone
>>202425946Your jaw's about to be fully detached you cunt you do NOT talk to New Zealand in such a tone
>>202425887no it wasn'tjanitorial staff is full of faggos
>>202425946Then she was just being a runttell her to suck a golf ball
Huge rancid old ham sandwich looking pussies. Mmmm
reckon I would like to be a youth in america, but I don't think I would want to be an adult in americaI reckon ages 4-22 in a middle-class american christian family is the peak of the human experience, but I imagine after that it's just a hellish corporate nightmare
>>202425970No, you're just a pathetic liarGo on, link the supposedly innocent post"Oooh uhhh I can't remember"Pathetic
Iran just blew up Blacked raw studiosIsrael has taken this as a declaration of war!!!!
is that poster an actual Australian
>>202425979footage of me lumbering to Iceland for a £1.35 deep-dish pepperoni pizza to consume with my 4 cans of tesco pear cider
>>202425988Brucie ran out of ice now he’s a bit stroppy :(
>>202426009
>>202426009scmring
>posting on /brit/>owns a detached >has a girlfriend>works out>has sex outsidealri jay
>91% chance to hit with my ranged sneak attack>miss>this happens twice in a row
Said a shitty joke at workMaori girl laughedWhite girl rolled her eyes and looked annoyed
>>202426044I earn £60k and have a 7 inch penis as well lol, when you write it down like that my life is pretty based
get them inget pensioners' benefits cutget politician's wives clothed in gucci
>>202426058There are zero attractive women in my workplace >Some cunt responds saying "and zero attractive men"SHUT it
eating gruel
>>202422471ahaha mental lad
>>202426077let me know when you hit 6 figures like me, lil bro
>>202426058Love making girls laugh at work, me and one of the other lads have some risque banter all the time and when we have the girls constantly giggling, they call us Bill and Ben. Bet any of them would let us double team them
>>202426080>get pensioners' benefits cutmost based thing Keir could possibly dothose old bastards have had it too good for too long
>>202426098You hit 4 figures on the fucking scales
>>202426044not unheard of, /brit/‘s the kind of thing that follows you through life in the background
>train drivers should be paid millions to press a few buttons and move a train on a straight line on a track because it's so difficult and nobody else can do it>oh look some teenage girl did it for a laughPay train drivers bus driver salaries and cut off the hand of any who strikes
>>202419253>>202419253this kind of brain rot is what happens when you have 300 years and your national staple dish is still fairy bread
Are white men obsolete?
>>202426088Wasn't necessarily doing it to try and chat them upsomeone said something and I just said the first thing that came to my head and they just happened to be nearby
Would u rather live in a semi detached or a bungalow
>>202426122catapulted that cunt into the sun
>>202426129Well she crashed it didn't she
zke pizza in oven pizza pepperontomato sauce later onand them into my belly
This is fascinating, isn't it?
>>202426144Well don't keep us in suspense
get the rusemen rused
4chan always told me white women hate Indians but in real life in england it’s not actually true.
on £70k, own a semi, never had a girlfriend, set to inherit a £2m house from my parents
RECYCLE>>202422506>>202422506>>202422506
I must have offended my scalesI stand on them and it just says ERR
get the rusemen locked in Walmart by gunpoint threat and tell them if they leave you will kill their families no matter what the Walmart security say
>>202426190Spam/floodingToo earlyAway with you
>>202426136Kek.Absolutely done them.
>>202426175"The air conditioner isn't working""You should try air shampoo"
pizza kurwa cheese tomato more tomato where is pepperon same as tomato
>>202426214*Slaps my knee*
Does anyone else play 'spot the new reg plate' with their partner?
lol
got feedback from toilberg earlier today on a job I've only been working at for 2 months>"you don't reach out for support enough">"also you ask me too many questions when you should be asking Beth">"by the way I think you should try and talk to the seniors more often">"if you get stuck you can ask anyone for help"getting very mixed signals
he's laughing at you not with you
woah someone really doesn’t like rusers
pizza is so longpizza baguettea pizza calonzewrap it up wrap with pizza
is the man posting on /brit/ on a workday a multi-millionaire? yeah? massive salary yeah? big house? all while dossing about on a Thursday morning? yeah, that's believable.
>>202426248get better at your job and he wouldn't say those things
>>202426248you should probably have pointed out this contradiction
why does the other thread have 260 posts?
you of proably should
>>202426292mouse deletion
>>202426321>>202426321>>202426321>>202426321>>202426321>>202426321
I would go out tonight But I haven’t got a person to ruse
>>202426190nibba that thread stale as all hell