EU to impose huge tariffs on Chinese automobiles. Germany voted against them, but got overturned.
>>203014472Based, China collapse imminent
>>203014472>nooo, you have to pay fifty gazillions for your forced electric car switch, please give us money!
>>203014579The EU said with one voice: >Not today, Xi!
>>203014472Why would Germany vote against the tariff? Their industry is mainly cars I thought?
>>203014621controlled opposition
>>203014472>le free market is the best form of economics chud!>noooo not like that! My feels and pride are being hurtWtf is wrong with whitoids
EU (USA's proxy) can suck ony my big fat polish sausage. If I wanna buy a Chinkmobile...I'll buy a Chinkmobile.I even bought a Chink drone right after yankees started their despotic Chink drone sanctooning.Eat a fat one, yanks.
>>203014621German corps like Volkswagen sell a fuckton of cars in China (literally more than at home) and they fear China will cut them off now and obliterate their businessFrench cars don't really sell in ChinaBesides Germany feels they are more resistant to the Chinese EV onslaught because people will keep buying BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche etc because they are brands of their own and there's always market for flex products. Nobody flexes Peugeots or Citroens
>>203014685Yeah you totally are polish...
>>203014621Tariffs are a bureaucrat thing, actual industry leaders almost never support tariffs as it is guaranteed to backfire soon one way or another
>>203014621>>203014629because it will make EVs in Europe more expensive in general and will reduce German car exports to China furtherthe German government wasn't unified in the stance though, some ministers support the tariffs
>>203014607Godawful vote by us. We desperately need electrification and this shit won't be helping with that.
>electric carImagine being so stupid to buy these
>>203014621>>203014629Because China is the most important car market. German manufacturers will probably get fucked harder by the repercussions while BYD and other chinese companies are already building factories inside Europe.
>>203014621Traditionally Germany is obsessed with supporting China
>>203014760Put a cable up your ass, vute
>>203014685Based free market pole>>2030147172 more weeks!
>>203014763>>203014798+15 rubles/dirhams/riyals (SAR)
>>203014766Based. Hope the German economy collapses like its 1945. Based China.
>>203014891>t. Soyviet buffer zone
I will never drive an electric "car"
>>203014472EU are bunh of losers tat can't handle competition. even BMW, VW and other manufacturers are against this
>>203014472>free market they said>ESG they said>save the planet they said
Electric cars take away the biggest advantage of cars which is being able to go any distance without any sort of pre-planning and preparation
>>203014760Yeah send more money to China and it'll fix everything.
>>203014939No they don't, there's little difference between a full car battery and a full gas tank. Electric cars make sense from a strategically autonomous point of view because it makes countries less dependent on oil imports.
>>203014717>>203014720Say hello to my highly illegal Chinklaser, pandejo, I can literally start a fire inside your mutt cars with this baby from a couple meters away.Your shitholes can only dream of getting your hands on such high end Military Grade Chinese Energy Weapons of pyromanic dreams come true.Thank You China, I kneel
>>203014985Any money raised by tariffs will go towards megacorporations while consumers have to pay higher prices for the same products.
>>203014987>sorry bro looks like I can't go there, there are not enough chargers along the way
>>203015048The same argument could have been applied to cars and petrol stations in the 1930's. As more people buy electric cars there will be more charging stations set up.
>>203014994where you got it from
>>203015122PLA laser R&D nerdboy team.
>>203015019no bro you're lying now, the way EU operates has definitely made everything cheaper and affordable, gas, electricity, food, housing etc etc, stop being a conspiracy theorist already!! >>203015048Google ULEZ London, they're trialing something similar now with proper cars being fined for entering 'low emission zones' Pretty soon when all the retarded faggots buy EVs, the state eventually will be able to ban your car from going to certain areas if they want to (and they will)
>>203015120do you think it takes the same time to fill up a car with gas as it takes to charge up a car?
>>203015204No, but charging speeds will improve in the future, and you can have isolated fully-automated charging stations powered by wind turbines that don't need frequent delivery of petrol like petrol stations do.
Reminder that China is dumping their cars onto the rest of the world because domestic consumption has slowed to a crawl.
>>203015640Wow really? That's so cool, thanks for the update, Captain Obvious!
You will buy an overpriced VolkswagenAnd you will be happy
>>203014931It's the first time the eu is doing something in its interest and it's still retarded
>Look at my flashlightkek, the sheer autism on this faggot
>>203014621they absolutely wanted to vote to impose tariffs but they didn't want china to then single them out for retaliation against the german car industry by using it as an excuse that germany voted for the same thing against china, so they got other people to do their dirty work to hide behindyou guys are all clueless about politics
>NOOO WE'LL HAVE SAD WAGE CuCK SLAVING AWAY IN OUR FACTORIES NOT YOU!!!! Shitlionaire fights are cringe. Even cringier is watching the plebs getting riled up and cheering them on, as if they'll get anything out of it
>>203016814If China falls for it, then it worked and Germany did nothing wrong. Ends justify means.
>>203014621Chinese EV probably use a lot of infineon and Siemens chips
>>203016831you're right, i think italy should close all the factories and maybe move them to poland aha
Why is Europe so retarded? I thought whitey was smarter than this.
>>203015767Kek you sound really upset bro
>>203016952If the shitlionaire sod off people would actually benefit
>>203014472Good, i would never drive want them anyway. I only drive Mercedes.
>>203016953Good, fuck german shitlionaire>MUH COMPETITION this neoliberal cretinism
>>203016953bro i cant read all of this
>>203014472Do you like cheap Chinese cars? Here in Puccia they aren't cheap at all, despite the fact that chinks only dump us their worst noname brands. Starting prices are $20k.
>>203014472Now China impose similar tariffs on Das Auto and EU's biggest automaker loses 38% of their sales (the Chinese market is HUGE). This forces European car makers to increase their prices in the domestic market to make up for the losses in Asia hiking the prices of their electric cars to about the same as the Chinese ones + tariffs.
>>203017148>>203017265I think it's logical that once, or if, China dominates the EU market and kills local competition they will pump prices to unimaginable levels, because fuck timmie gon do
>>203017148It's not cheap here either
>>203014607Thankfully we showed our allegiance for the Star-Spangled Banner again.
>>203017338What local competition?All EU cars are designed by homosexuals that hate cars for homosexuals that hate cars.Is not even a competition, Chinese make electric cars for the people, and eu make electric cars for people that trade cars every 2 years and claim they are doing it to "save the planet".
>>203014472based only aryan german cars in my steppe
>>203016953They can build factories in EU and import migrant labors.
they can always dump their junk in africa.you know, where electricity and infrastructure is thriving.kek
>>203014472
*slaps european cars with sky high tariffs* Splendid idea, sure got them now that the sales will be butchered in a 1,3 billion market.
>>203016797lol, "flashlight"This "flashlight" will set your sombrero on fire faster than you can holler AYYYY CARAMBA , amigo, stay jelly though. Your lucky you're puta narco country even allows you to get flashlights.
>>203016953Germans should simply start working and building their cars at home, they're way too lazy
>>203017890Jews ordered EU to declare war on Russia, now they can't afford electricity to run their factories.
>>203014472I fucking hate our cuck country. Leftists, rightoids, libertarians, socialists. All of them somehow think we should follow le free market when everybody is else is imposing tarrifs and subsidizing their economies. We are falling behind in a new age of mercantilism
>>203018316it's true, my village already froze last winter and russia will nuke us with hypersonic missiles for our russophobia in about 2 weeksthe few people left alive are planning escape to brazil which is a rising brics economic superpower
>>203018441>subsidizing their economiesLiterally every country subsidizes auto manufacturing, including Germany.
>>203014472Why would Germany vote no
>>203014472>yes they get to be a racial ethnostate while my people get replaced by neoliberal policies but at least we have free markets and innovation unlike ChinaOh no no no
>>203014994You're going to blind yourself you stupid nigger
>>203018441True but when you say we you actually been the billionaires that own everything. You aren't a part of the equation
>>203014607>Germany It's always Germany acting against Europe's best interest? Have you noticed that? It's almost like we've seen this pattern before from them.....
>>203018723Don't worry about it, I have good protection.
>>203016953Those German companies deserve to fail then.
>>203018806You suck up once for even a few microseconds and at least one eye is fried jakubWhy the fuck are you even fucking around with such dangerous shit
>>203018914(Ok, milliseconds, you're not LIGO tier obviously)
>>203016953I think the EU is so rotten that we simply are at the step of self-cannibalism.
>>203018914Do you know, how much fun I had frying wasps from my grape wine this summer? An experience worth the risk.
>>203014682>>203018441>>203016953Capitalists have essentially lost the argument is my takeaway. Even chuds have ditched free market capitalism and are slowly pivoting to socialism. In the 90s if you told people what's happening now would happen they would either assume the USSR reformed somehow or the USA was actually infiltrated en masse by eastern bloc socialists somehow like in a Tom Clancy novel.
>>203019104You realize you can easily blind other people right you fucking psychopath
>>203019157What we are experiencing is not socialism. Its a planned economy.
>>203019422Of courseBut I find it too funny making flying birds nosedive from panic when the see the beam coming at them, feels very Star Wars, like imma jedi n shiet.
>>203014682Can't stick to the rules against a country that heavily subsidizes its industry, uses slave labour and steals technology all the time
>>203019157Mutts lost so hard at le righteous free trade game they either accepted falling into oblivion out of principle or act up
>>203019623>we is le most efficient wage slave dey cheaters
>>203019469It's not planned at all. These are just some measures so our billionairinos can maintain power in their countries since they couldn't rule the world
>>203019623but enough about the USA https://worthrises.org/blogpost/2024/1/7/correctional-industries-how-governments-exploit-prison-labor-to-subsidize-their-budgetshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Pierucci
>>203014472>Free marke-AACK!
>>203019514you should be arrested
>>203019514at least you will only blind other polacks :)
Why can't cumSkins innovate?
>>203020303You should jump out of your nearest window. Sspx catch any kraut helicopter flying over my home. That bitch is going blind. :^)
>>203020367That helicopter would call the Polish police and they'll arrest you.
>>203019623>outsources labour to China, India and vietnam to jew locals out of a fair wage>patents literally everything and stifles innovation>bails out bankers when they fuck up the economy But sure blame the chinamen for being dishonest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1LhpZoFfDk
>>203020444:ONow I'm worried
>cheap cars bad you must buy overpriced European ones
>>203020444Also, I'm adding egyptian helicopters to my list as well. For moses.
>>203020337Because EV's are unironically a shit technology and not the future.
>>203014472what the fuck is wrong with germanythey truly hate europe and would do anything as long as it harms it
>>203020266>Saar people in jail make tshirts for the military Anddddd? You fuckin clown.
>>203020337What's the x axis? It must be high bullshit if tesla is on top
>>203020498All cars are bad and you shouldn't buy any, but infringing on consooomers "rights" is a litereal holocaust
>>203020703t. lives in the centre of Rome and never leaves
>>203017341Why are there so many pidors in thailand? Do they love ladyboys so much?
>>203020498The funny thing, is that the UK and Australia are actually welcoming the cheap cars since they want to get out of their economic rut and further wean themselves off of oil imports.https://www.ft.com/content/6f2ebd4d-b3a7-442c-92cb-6f6307b9499e>>203020635https://www.gartner.com/en/documents/4875531#:~:text=The%20Gartner%20Digital%20Automaker%20Index%20ranks%20the%20world%E2%80%99sIt's from gartner, they rank different automakers based off of different factors.
>>203020589They're having hard guilt over genociding Native American. I can't blame them , such a despicable act they committed.
>>203020498they are only cheap because chinks massively subsidise their industry ever heard of dumping?
>>203020476How do you plan to kill yourself after you blind a stranger (or more likely a family member)
>>203018668LoL
>>203020837Yeah I did one earlier
>>203020864Now you're just talking poppy cocks.
>>203020939What's the wattage and what wavelength
>>203020939There's a reason high power lasers are not legal, they're literally orders of magnitude more dangerous than firearms
>>203020953Wouldn't you like to know, Stasi, ask my PLA nerd frens, if they bother to answer you back. XD
>>203018760For the last 20 years, Germany has spent all their savings on investing in China. That's why there is zero growth in Europe: all the resources that was supposed to build factories or anything in Europe was sent to China instead to build factories there. The only growth in Europe was imaginary "number goes up" growth based on their Chinese assets.And now they're captured. They know they will lose everything they built there, and they're fighting tooth and nail to please China to let them keep it a few years longer.The German car makers are the absolute worst. They want to stop production here, and import everything from their factories in China to benefit from Chinese subsidies. They're even starting to close down European factories while building new Chinese ones, it's a huge shitshow in Germany right now. if you buy an electric WV or whatever in Europe, chances are it was made in China. That's why they voted "no" this time.
>>203017148Don't they sell dzhikers and lysians in rossiya?
>>203020953Check if the fuse to the PLC is bad before you go asking those questions
>>203020837You're crying about China subsidizing their cars while your population is subsidized by the EU. LMAO
>>203021059W-wuts that?
>>203021126good morning saaaar
>>203021191A PLC which is a automation and robotics controller. Siemens of Germany and Allen Bradley of mine popularized them.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_logic_controller
>>203014621The only thing tariffs succeed in is making you fall behind.
>>203021937>The only thing tariffs succeed in is making you fall behindMaybe if you are European where all of the domestic industries suck ass because of constant government interference
>>203022045you have had a trade deficit with europe for decades, retard
>>203016953Based Hungary taking money from russia China and the EU
>>203022130>you have had a trade deficit with europe for decadesI am standing in my room rn and literally nothing says made in EU on it faggotor.
>>203016953damn high energy prices in Germany. if only they didn't get rid of those nuclear powerplants that the had
>>203022338>we don't have a trade deficit because I personally don't buy european productsIt seems the fluorid in the water truly makes the lardistanis utterly retarded
>>203021937Retarded>>203022045>Noooo. Only le billionairinos are efficient and noone else
China needs to pay their fair share for their environmental impact. We all pay carbon taxes in the West, while buying cheap Chinese products made by burning coal. >inb4 muh per capita emissions are lower in Chinathat's irrelevant when we're talking about the manufacturing process and making Chinese companies pay their fair share for their disproportionate impact on the climate.
>>203022130Is there any country they don't have a deficit with at this point?
>>203022599Our GDP is 23 TRILLION DOLLARS BIGGER than France's you daft frog cunt
>>203022679Didn't say that my terroni friend also Italy has notoriously shit industry which happens to be a perfect example of my argument
>>203022338precisely because its high-end machinery, automotive parts, medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, high fashion stufffor consoomer slop you buy directly, there's indeed china, Bangladesh and whatever
>>203014685Go back to your shithole
>>203022730>still no counter argument>still seething It's ok fatbro, mental retardation and broken bucks are widely accepted in the US nowadays
>>203021937you should get off your VPN first
>>203023005>Still counter argument Actually GDP is the best indicator of economic and industrial performance. Nobody uses French products except for food outside of France.
>>203022045>Every country in the former USSR sphere of influence is a corrupt shithole>That makes sense, being corrupt was the only way to get ahead in those Soviet countries who were basically colonies of Russia with no real power>Every country in the US sphere of influence is a bloated bureaucratic nightmare full of government interference >NO RELATION!!! THAT'S COMPLETELY EUROPE'S FAULT FOR BEING LAZY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING THE ONLY WAY FOR ELITES TO GET AHEAD AS A PERIPHERAL AMERICAN COLONY WITH NO REAL POWERFill in the dots
>>203022864LoL
>>203023107GDP doesn't tell you enough about the economic situation of the middle class and lower class.
>>203022815>precisely because its high-end machineryI work in factory as an Electronics tech that statement is vehemently false outside of Europe and German cars are notoriously poorly built.
>>203018760meds!
>>203023185then stop importing them in these quantities, idk
>>203023155In the UK 1 in 5 people live in poverty and their current GDP performance is very indicative of that.
>>203023224We aren't that's the point kek
>>203023311usa is the #1 absorber of German trade surplus since 1945, dummy
>>203023361That's mean we are buying exclusively high tech machinery like you stated in your argument. To add on to that most German cars sold here are made here exclusively for our market.
>>203023488idk what exactly the exports are, but you're the #1 client for our stuffand since germany doesnt have cost advantage I assume its not t-shirts
>>203023533>idk what exactly the exports are,Then why did you state that you did very matter of factly?
>>203023261how does the UK's GDP show that? if anything the UK should be doing better than that considering how high their GDP per capita is you are proving his point
>>203023602because thats our exports in general + carsbut since you dont import readymade cars, that leaves the rest of what I listed
>>203023533Pic related are German exports to America in 2022
>>203023671well, machinery, pharmaceuticals, medical instruments. and cars somehow even though tariffs are supposed to prevent that
>>203014621fifth column
>>203021937we had to learn that the hard way
>>203023117I'm reporting you to the ADL for this antisemitic post.
>>203022045What a retard level post. If not for evil gubberment, there would be no General Motors, Chrysler or Tesla right now.
>>203023656GDP nominal and per capita are two different measurements. America is one of few countries that happens to do good in both.
>>203014621rich people influencing the government, tale as old as time
>>203021937Yes, because you should open your ass cheeks when the chinks have labor that costs 0 dollars and a complete lack of regulations flooding the market with cheap shit
>>203023990You are talking specifically about the car industry while purposely ignoring our huge technology, manufacturing and petroleum sector because it negates your argument.
>>203014472that's honestly communism.Germans, Hungarians, slovenians and slovakians, maltans are the last capitalists left in Europe.
>>203022717If you are not memeing China's manufacturing capacity is what has made green energy prodtion viable worldwide. Especially solar.
>>203024653See>>203019157
>>203024764>solar>greenlol LMAO even. the only reason you give a shit about solar is bc youre a chink that produces the mining metals for and constructs the actual panels. solar is only effective in certain parts of the world canada is not one of them but youre not even canadian
>>203014472>european companies charge rip off pricesso rather than lower prices to be competitive or the EU reducing regulatory costs for companies they just tax imports
>>203016993Wow do I? Tell me more, Admiral Obvious!
>>203019157everybody seems to completely ignore the fact that china has adopted capitalism and free market economics harder than any country on earth currently
>>203021051> dzhikers Never heard of it.> lysiansOh, this one is rare here. I know the owner of a corporation where I'm wageslaving has it. It costs $90k I think.
>>203025048not really ... its a mixed system and leans more towards planned economy than any other major economy.they literally have central planning. there are no large private banks, the government meets decides which enterprises and sectors are funded. they have capitalism on a more individual level where youre free to accumulate capital and, of course, the early industrial type of capitalism where workers have zero rights.
>>203025148Is it true that the Russian auto market is 50% Chinese imports now
>>203023943So sorry sir
>>203024961You were doing unwell until you descended into that muh regulations bit
>>203025048You don't know what you're talking about
>>20302504855% of the Chinese economy is wholesale state enterprises. This jumps to 64% if you include non corporate "private" arrangements like worker coops and profit sharing syndicates. Thats ancapistan to you?
>>203025524>55% of the Chinese economy is wholesale state enterprises.not to disagree, but source?
>>203015640Oh no. What a horrible thing to happen to European consumers!
>>203025543https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83vnTlllx1QChina is trending more to public ownership too.
>>203025215There is a 120k cars per year Geely factory in Belarus, 80% of which are sold to Russia.
>>203025048lmao no they haven'tIt's state run economy Remember when their Elon musk type said something about the government and they kidnapped him?
>>203025639>tldr newsyikes dude
>>203025664They glow hard as fuck but you wanted a short source. Plus they are anti CCP neolib shills so if even they admit China's not saved by le epic free market theres something to it.
>>203025215Yes, there are only either Chinese cars or Ladas. If you want Eu, Japanese or Korean car, you have to pay to inofficial car dealers, they will buy it for you in neighboring countries and drive to your place.
>>203025187that is quite literally exactly the same as what the US does
>>203016953>>203017890>>203017489>Germany literally shut off several car plants in Europe because: 1) Wages are too high 2) Energy is too expensive since making cars is high energy intensive>"haha this is good it will make Germany move car plants back to Europe"Do you guys not pay attention to the news, or...?>>203016953Are Euros willing to pay even more for domestic produced cars + rising gas prices?
>>203020498And this is why the UK is not a part of the EU. The "China EVs tariffs" passed with a "majority" vote of 45%. If the UK was in the EU, it probably wouldn't pass with a 30% "majority",
>>203014472The other thread was moved to Pol, but not this one.Mod is German ?
>>203027392UK is an actual capitalist country.Too bad about their wages though, I guess it's the price of capitalism. We're so rich in our country.
>>203027791shouldnt have put "War" into the OP, dumb snailmuncher
Europeans please explain to me how this passed. This is even harder to understand than "popular vote" in the US.
>>203027860When did this site become like Disney ? Edulcorated.
don't care, I'll keep my ICE car until hydrogen becomes a viable alternative
>>203027922what do you not understand?number of votes for was higher than number of votes against"abstained" votes are literally countries that wanted to vote in favour of tarrifs but are scared shitless of chinese retaliatory measures.abstained - cucked but also cowardlyagainst - cuckedfor - based
don't worry they will start manufacturing them in Hungary soonyou vill buy ze cheap ev and you will be happy
>>203028336>hydrogen>viableDon't look up how hydrogen cars are currently selling and what they're doing to hydrogen charging stations.They're cleaning out inventory and selling hem at a huge loss.
>>203028612It's not even manufactured in Hungary, or Turkey. But more assembly. China just the other day said that no key technologies will be assembled in Europe.
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