If you don't want immigrants in your country you're saying you don't want nominal US dollar GDP to increase, which is the ultimate bad.
Saying you'll end up like Japan if you don't let immigrants in is the highest endorsement I could think of for an anti-immigration policy.
Europe and Japan are on schedule to become sovlful again
>>204016524A stagnating country facing certain decline?>B-but you can slave as a salaryman 15 hours a day to afford living alone in a shoeboxRiveting
chuds have been repeating ad nauseam how>if population falls we all get richer>da migrants are keeping our wages lowand yet...
why is the same true for shitaly
>>204016543No you're just going to import them like your American masters tell you to.
>>204016480How kind it is that retards signal themselves with those flags.If he wasn't such an impressive retard, he would realise that having the ukrainian flag and the taiwanese flag is as contradictory as having the ukrainian flag and the Donetsk People's Republic flag.
>>204016708Inflation barely increased so higher wages was irrelevant
>>204016524Japan literally hasnt had wage growth in the past 30 years
>>204016792This is real aka adjusted for inflation thoughbeit
>>204016792Nigga wages grow with inflation. Since the early 90s inflation averages around 2-3% per year and wages grow at about 2-3% per year. These past two years have been an outlier because inflation is the highest it has been in the past 40 years in western countries due to covid
>>204016708this chart is drivel.
>>204016619>I look forward to when Japan becomes poorer>*is rich*Sasuga
>>204016480Japan is deliberately doing the weakest currency to prop up stock market, and it's working well.
Threads like these remind me that Canada getting flooded with jeets is a good thing
>>204016630>>204016823Oh no I live in a stable society with low crime, decent living standards, and affordable housing. The horror.
>>204016630That sounds like here, but with less uncertainty.>>204016823Yes and whenever wages grow here everything else grows more. What's your fucking point? Clearly immigration doesn't fuel anything except rich people's wallets.
>oh no I live in a society with low wages, mass sucidie, hikkomoris, poor social skills and where everyone works 60-70 hour weeksBut at least there arent any brown people !!!
IMF sees weak yen beneficial for Japan's economyhttps://www.reuters.com/world/japan/imf-sees-weak-yen-beneficial-japans-economy-urges-gradual-rate-hikes-2024-10-25/>A weak yen is beneficial for Japan's economy as the boost to exports exceeds the increase in the cost of imports, a senior International Monetary Fund (IMF) official said on Friday.
why the hell would anyone trust an economist?
>>204016922>>204016979You earn at least 4 times more. You Americans are actually oblivious to how much more you earn and consume compared to even other firsties
Japan is on the reverse plaza accord right now.
>>204016904For the rich, maybe. How much of saving do average person have on stocks vs other assets?
>>204016987You talk as if our current situation here is any good, or that immigration somehow helps it.All I'm convinced immigration does is drive up competition and line the pockets of the wealthy. For the average person it just means we have less bargaining power because brown people are clannish and are meek until they have power. So they'll never advocate for better standards or pay alongside their local co-workers.
>>204016630>tf>calling any country stagnating due to demographic declinenigga you have the immigrant flood AND your economy sucks
>>204017026Anon I've lived and worked in Japan.The only major difference was that everything was cheaper, wages were lower, and housing was smaller and far more affordable (but not actually that much smaller if you don't live in Tokyo).
>>204017055lowering the cost of wages, and raising the costs of rent and household essential and medicine is a good thing for the economy actually
>>204016480quit promoting your xitter account here, leaf
>>204017072We don't have that many immigrants compared to other big euro countries especially considered we have Africa at less than 100 km from our islands
>>204017090Honestly that dynamic is the main reason we need to stop jacking off to GDP so much and look at a wide range of metrics. High GDP growth doesn't mean people are wealthier, or that living standards are good. Our fucking life expectancy as even been dropping.
>>204016480Saying you need immigrants to boost your economy is like saying you need to roid to grow muscle, yeah, you're going to grow, but you're also going to die earlier
>>204017120nigga 10.6% of your entire population are immigrants on top of that, the european countries with the biggest immigrant populations (UK, France, and Germany) all have stagnating and/or shrinking economies as well.
>>204017026>You Americans are actually obliviousI simply don't care how much Euros earn or consume. I don't care about Euros at all.We shit and Europe feasts.
>>204017087Even taking into consideration PPP japanese earn less than shitalians
>>204017164And like 5% of those are from east Europe and the balkans and would be considered 1488 white in your country
>>204017438slavs give an uncanny valley experience to american WASPs
>>204016480Corpo shits know the price of everything and the value of nothing
Understand the basics of economics:Currency depreciates -> Current account balance improves -> Total demand increases -> IS Curve shifts to the right
>>204016480Guys, who're you gonna prove to me that economics is not a joke considering how Russia is still functioning while wasting shitton of moneys on SMO?
>>204017438huh? when did i say anything about the race of an immigrant? your initial post implied you are pro immigration because it helps the economy, but my point was that it does not. when did race come into this? im against any large scale immigration from any group. it should be limited to factors of 1) high skill, 2) cultural similarity, and 3) necessity
God forbid the economy stagnates because then I wouldn't be able to afford a house, couldn't afford to raise a family, and might be forced to work longer hours in jobs that offer no career growth or stabilityOh wait this is happening all over the developed world regardless of their economic performance. So why should we keep doing it?
>>204017672immigrants are easy to bribe, and lower the risk of labor unionizing
>>204016823And wage growth has not matched the speed of inflation here, everything has gotten more expensive and we got tons of immigrants in the past 30 years so what gives?
>Japan allows mass immigration>GDP goes up ala Canada>Also like Canada, it's purely from increased population and life for the average person isn't any better>If any, it's probably worse because you now have browns literally and figuratively shitting things up and institutes reliant on social trust start to break down
>>204017846lolhttps://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/wage-growthhttps://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi#:~:text=October%20of%202024.-,Inflation%20Rate%20in%20the%20United%20States%20decreased%20to%202.40%20percent,macro%20models%20and%20analysts%20expectations.
>>204018114these numbers are more made up than the usual stats given by economists
>>204017293I'm not talking about raw money. Money earned is always only going to be one part of the equation of how well off a country is. I may make a shit ton of money compared to you, but if everything here costs so much more then what is the point? All it gives me in benefits is that I'm suddenly rich if I go somewhere else.
>>204018137>I don't like the numbers therefore they are made up
>>204018114This goes against any other metric I've ever seen, and certainly against the lived reality I've seen and experienced.Stop being a shill SAAR
>>204016480i do want immigrants in my country. unfortunately it's too shit to get any. but on the bright the demographics are so bad we'll be a case study of what not to do when it collapses
>>204016480immigrants will not solve the problem. Japan's market is simply too old to have any lucrativeness.
>>204017074That's Japan pre-carry trade. They don't export much anymore they're a major trading hub in Asia, but in terms of domestic output it isn't much they're heavy into service jobs. Do Japanese even invest in their stock market? Do they want to when the BoJ holds 80% of all ETFs and over 55% of Japanese government bonds? I've seen shitcoins that look safer to buy into, who wants to buy anything when a single entity holds over 10%?
>>204016480LET IT BURN
>>204018332FUCK ME YOU GOTTA A BIG DICKMY NECK MY BACK MY ASS AND MY CRACK LICK IT GOOD I'm not going to lie I love Israel I wanna give a shout to Israel, Finland and India we got this bois
>>204016823prices haven't really grown either so who cares
>>204016480Im gonna need a early life check on this guy
>>204016823Woah, so just like anywhere else in the world?
>>204016823Minimum wage will be 1.5 times higher soon which will attract migrants
>>204016480I think in Japan the problem is that the Bank of Japan keeps giving more money to legacy corporations even if they don't have new innovative ideas or technology, "'zombie companies" even though Japan does have innovative companies, they are weighted down by old corporations.
>>204016480This but unironically
>>204016480please tell me how is this even possible, and convince me this isn't a (((blackrock))) boycott to make japan accept migrantsjapan has:innovationtourismtop tier technology (far greater than the USA)
>>20401663099% of problems of a declining birthrate could be solved if you just murdered all landlords and gave people cheap housing.
I'm willing to have a bit lower GDP if I dont have to interact nor see muzzies during my daily activities.
>>204021839Actually, let's go even further, if societal resources were distributed to needs, and you organized labor according to said needs, a smaller population would be preferrable even.It's literally only the reproduction of capital that would suffer.
>>204017466Your average Slav is whiter than like 90% of Americans.
>>204016987Instead you live in a society with high wages (also high prices, too btw), high suicide as well, welfare queens, horrible social tendencies from you know who, and everyone has to work two jobs in order to afford rent, else they'll be homelessBut at least you got brown immigrants~
>you should sacrifice your ancestral homelands for bucksthere's nothing i despise in the entire world more than capitalists
>>204022247that's racist or something
>>204016480MUH GDP
ok
Japan doesn't count since it is an American vassal state.
Yeah just transform your country into not being your country anymore so line can go up. Brilliant
>>204016480vgh... so this is the intelligence of a evrocvck...
>>204016480I don’t want certain types of ‘immigrants’ in my country.
>>204016480the GDP is far far less actually because a 1994 dollar is worth a lot more than 2024 dollar everyone thought japan would become a bigger economy than the US until the 1989 nikkei crash. thats why in all the 1980s action movies,scifi,cyberpunk japan appears as a superpower
>>204018138Dude 98.88% of your country's population immigrated there in the past 5 centuries, why are you lecturing anyone on integration?
>>204024029>everyone thought japan would become a bigger economy than the US until the 1989 nikkei crash. American propaganda. How can any sentient human being expect an island with no resources with half the population of his master, 1/26 of it's size and no military projection to overtake it in the gee dee pee game ?
>muh number has to always go upall capitalists must die
>>204024816Reagan used the Japan panic to push for expansionary monetary policy and defang unions. Yes it's American propaganda, but it's American propaganda for Americans, you grossly overestimate the sentience of the average person.
>>204016480>Japan's taking Black Rock money>Japan has opened their borders to immigrantsThe people in charge of countries don't give a shit about any of us. In any country.
>>204021308Japan has tourism but not innovation or top tier tech, they're lagging behind and are dependent on FAANG companies. As of right now the US has a tech monopoly I don't even know how you got the idea of Japan surpassing the US in tech and even in the 80s they weren't exactly known for innovation they were mostly making cars. They don't need migrants because they're a bit overpopulated, but you seem to have a very warped perspective of Japan when 90% of what they've been doing since the 80s is relying on fiscal policy and foreign exchange.
>>204016861>due to covidNigger, Inflation ONLY happens when governments create more money than they have. That's it. That's all. Whether it's money printing, borrowing, or the various bonds/treasuries.Want inflation to go away? Get people in charge who aren't interested in endlessly increasing investment numbers, and pay off debts.
>>204024822The problem isn't capitalism. It's shareholder capitalism that's the problem, commie.
Taking a trillion dollar loan and using it to build a huge golden cock would raise GDP and be smarter than taking in millions of muslims.
>>204024953I don't buy that. Japan has like 260% debt to GDP and QE's harder than any other country yet they have deflation. They check out every single box for a country that should have inflation. Natural disaster prone, inflated money supply, needing to import everything. Net exports can increase inflation, but that's never a problem for Japan because they import way more than they export, back in the 80s they had like 7% inflation. For reference the current inflation in the US is 2.4% and the current inflation in Japan is around 2.5%. Japan has always been historically unstable with inflation they had nearly 30% in the 70s. Why you may ask? Because the Fed reserve changed monetary policy and Japan was directly affected by it. The US and Germany experienced the same, inflation is meaningless in the face of fiat currency it seems.
>>204025501>I don't buy thatI don't care what you believe, because that's what causes inflation.>They check out every single box for a country that should have inflationThey spend their American dollars, to buy Japanese Yen. The Japanese government deliberately does that.>Net exports can increase inflationNope. It's only government increasing the money supply beyond what they bring in through taxes/tariffs/etc.Sorry that you were lied to about inflation.
>>204016904Did your salary went up, got your taxes lowered?Just are pumping just a deflating tyre.
>>204025620The yen is weak against the dollar, not even Japan's central bank wants it they trade for every single other currency under the sun. If it was only monetary supply that affected inflation then why didn't the US and Japan go under in the 70s. It's not like they reduced monetary supply since then, quite the opposite in fact. It's more connected to aggregate demand than anything else, if you have people who want to spend money rather than hold it that causes inflation. Japan likes to hold money more than spend it so they don't have the same issue, so prices on everything stay low. This is why deflation is the best indicator of a failing domestic market.
>>204016480>line must go up
>>204016480>numbers must be green>line must go up
>>204025737>The yen is weak against the dollarNo shit. Americans were borrowing Yen, then buying US dollars with it, for the boost, and then investing that money.Still doesn't change the fact that Japan is trying to keep the value of the Yen around 160. They buy Yen, when it gets too close to 160.You gotta stop thinking about the 1970s, and look at what's happening today in Japan.Japan's entire economy has never been unfucked, since the bubble burst in the 1980s. The government has been constantly controlling it, so the people don't have a Great Depression, of their own. For the entire Millennial's life, the Japanese government did everything they could, to keep inflation at 0%. They've never once solved the problems of the economy though, just kicked the can down the road for someone else to deal with.
>>204021308Weeb
>>204025914Sure, they never paid off those loans they took out in the 80s. But even still inflation went from 7% to around 1% after the bubble burst and has been slowly climbing. This 'kicking the can' you reference is facilitated by government bond purchasing, so as long as their government continues to issue bonds the BOJ will buy, this is what causes the yen to become weaker and is a big reason why Japan's prices don't change but their currency weakens. Normally a weak currency is the result of inflation.
>>204026098>so as long as their government continues to issue bonds the BOJ will buy, this is what causes the yen to become weakerSo you finally agree that government money creation is what causes inflation. Thanks.>and is a big reason why Japan's prices don't change but their currency weakensYes, but it's starting to catch up with the average consumer. The things they do import, are becoming more and more difficult to purchase. So long as the average consumer only buys Japanese goods, they're fine, but once they import it's really bad.
>>204026167It's Japan, they import everything. It's never been a stable economy they had ridiculous debt pre-war too. I just don't see why someone would argue that trade has nothing to do with inflation. Importing and exporting have as much to do with inflation as fiscal policy.
>>204016524Japan does let in immigrants though, its not like we're still under sakoku. 2.3% of the population here as of 2021 are foreign nationals with residency.
>>204018264Don't you have firstie euros buying holiday homes for 20k euros in rural Bulgaria?
>>204016480it's piss easy to immigrate to japan if you really want to
>>204016480
>>204026599the only westeners in rural bulgaria are some 70 year old german/british boomers which are of no use
>>204016480Japan hasn't been relevant for over 10 years now
>>204029071They're the only ones with money to spare and can afford being scammed
>>204016524the people who made elden ring make 20k a year.meanwhile here we make 70k a year
>>204016922>low crime, I don't know about that, japanese cops can force a confession out of you even if you didn't do it and they have no evidence. Crimes can always be found and solved etc.>decent living standards, and affordable housing.I'm not sure, their housing is pretty expensive
>>204016480>you don't want nominal US dollar GDP to increase, which is the ultimate bad.>it's bad because... because... IT JUST ISNah man, nominal GDP in my country is growing but life is getting worse and worse.
>>204016823>>204016708Weren't americans richer 30 years ago? I thought their boomers are so rich because everything was cheaper in back then.
>>204016480I do want immigrants, just not rich european immigrants. They are a net drain on the economy since all they do is become landlords.
