>Russia is so weak now that after exhausting their last white males of reproductive age, disabled and elderly they now have to beg North Korea for troops Did the people in your country get memed into the Russia Strong narrative before 2022?
>>204058878>RUSSIAN ORCS ARE LOSING, SLAVA UKRAINI
Ruh roh
>>204058916>>204058932Damn, 150sq miles? How much is that, 0.01% of Ukrainian territory
>Damn, 150sq miles? How much is that, 0.01% of Ukrainian territory
>>204058916>>204058932Uh? The west told me the ukraine was winning how is this possible
>I can't win without le abrams>continues losing>I can't win without le f16>continues losing>I can't win without ammunitions>US and europe sends everything they can>continues losing>I can't win without HIMARS>continues losing>I can't win without closing borders and forced conscription>continues losingThe long range missiles will save us nafo sisters, 2 more weeks
>>204058878>sending north koreans to kill europeansOMG RUSSIA IS SO BASED & TRAD, SAVING US FROM GLOBOHOMO !!!11!!
>>204058916>>204058932So the kursk thing was a fiasco in the end?
>>204059141Aren't cruise missile easily intercepted anyway? What difference would they make?
>>20405914131 tank0 jets>US sends everything they cannorth korea sends more to r*ssia lol
>>204058916>>204058932>>204058932>>204059057>>204059089>>204059141When Russia loses 600,000 people and 4500 tanks to advance walking distance in 2 years after retreating 400 km
>>204059183>>204059191Cope
>>204059200See >>204058878Russia retreated 200 times more land then they gained in 2 years Reality makes you see the so you cope
>>204059200lmao
I hope this was worth the football sized territorial gain Russia advanced in 2 years
>>204058878The entire Russian might can advance 10 miles a year
>>204059394You sent 400 billions + advisors trying to stop it and failed
>>204059141>>US and europe sends everything they canlol
>>204059425Lol copeBack to the meat grinder for you
hi alex
>ITT: Thirdies happy that Russia can capture some villages after three years because... um... the west is bad or something
>>204059160When even the neolib publications are calling it a failure, then you know it's a complete failure.
>>204059617Russia is actually advancing steadily and Ukraine is in serious trouble bc the west isn't supporting it enough. But yeah thirdies are happy about it bc they're butthurt at the west.
ITT: retards thinking that warfare is linear and russian advances won't accelerate in the coming year
>>204059667Such a failure it advanced more in a few days than Russia did in a year
>>204059681TWO
>>204059654>Transcontinental country with land in both Europe and Asia has both Europeans and non-European AsiansShocking
>>204059654what mate you're telling me the country that has most of its landmass in asia isn't as ethnically european as countries located entirely within europe that's mental
>>204059265>>204059214>>204059191Taiwan flags have to be the worst flags after Australia now.
>>204059581wtf i love Slovenia now
Discussing shithole federation should be a bannable offence. These threads are nothing but garbage full of paid shills and discord trannies with the same flags and talking points every single day. Hell they might just be bots now running on autopilot.
>>204059715>yeah man ukraine has an endless supply of soldiers who can get ripped to shreds by hundreds of fabs every daylmao
>>204059743NOOOO STOP DESTROYING MY COMMIE COPE
>>204058878Selidove status?
>>204059783nice proxy alyosha
>>204059743wumao please
>>204059783TWO
>>204059825Nope. I just want my retarded government to stop pissing away money on your shithole country.
>>204059866Every $10 spent is 1 dead RussianBest bang for the buck ever
>>204059770>discussing Ukraine should be a bankable offenceFirst we should ban all jeets
>>204059840two million more hohols getting killed and maimedi agree and what a laugh it will be
>>204059866lie more ussr superweapon rhetoric is only used by pidorashkas
>>204059860Difference is their vaccines weren't the untested mRNA version that alters your DNA you retarded kike
>>204059883if you want to prolong the war and maximise hohol death then fair enough
>>204059742>>204059654Yeah it's a compete cope map. Ironically they are still whiter than mutts lol
>>204059926imagine comparing a bunch of empty fields in kursk to the one of the most fortified areas on the planet
>>204058916>>204058932NAFOsisters, what's our cope?>>204059191oh thank God, I was worried for a second.
>>204059191nice try kremlin bot its 6 000 000 and 450 000 AT MINIMUMeveryone in jewish press knows its truem even jewlensky himself said itnow why would a jew lieproposterous idea you filthy anti semite
>>204059923why are you so bloodthirsty, welsh commie tranny?
>>204059743>implying real chinks are shilling for oinkraine from one of the largest VPN hosts
>>204060050>Wanting dead pigs is bloodthirsty>Wanting dead russians is not
>>204060053kek
>>204060034That's a nice way of dealing with your genocide abd replacement by Muslims and jeets
>>204060073I personally don't want either, but Russia is attacking so Ukrainians resisting is not surprising or immoralthirdies and this insane welsh tranny are rejoicing at the bloodshed and destruction tho
>>204060050i'm notbeing bloodthirsty is egging ukraine on to keep a fighting a war you obviously know they aren't going to win just so they can kill a few extra russiansthe moral position is to advocate for a ukrainian surrender
>>204058916>>204058932>tops out at 150 sq miles>all the russian deaths>over just 388 square kilometersGrim. It's not Russia was lacking for area either. Man, how are they okay with this
>>204060093Don't be a fucking naive retard.
>>204060103that's per month, not cumulative
>>204059797
>>204060095>>204060124there are two 'moral' stances:1) supporting Ukraine to the point they can defeat the evil Russian invasion quickly. This means extensive military support, far greater than until now.2) ceasefire at the current frontline + NATO membership to deter further Russian aggressionsif you disagree with this you're dishonest/pro-Russian.
>>204060130Well yeah?
Russia will win and there's nothing NAFO trannies can do about it.>A friendly "hello" from /chug/Verification not required.
>>204060235By current rate it will take 100 million Russians and 200 years
>>204059160
>>204060164I wish for more dead hohols. Fuck hohols, exterminate hohols. This is finally proper revenge for them for fucking with us in the Winter War.
>>204060270you're either using a proxy and/or you're mentally ill. Normal Finns are supportive of Ukraine's just self-defense.
>>204060164Lmao
>>204060257Anon this is ww1 style trench warfare, a frontline falling is a pretty big deal, you can see how the moment the frontline fell they started making several times more progress than what they did beforeUkrainian generals made some genuinely bad and in some cases baffling decisions this war.
>>204060257You make retard mistake of thinking the changes in this war will keep occurring in linear rate despite the fact that Russia is killing more xruks and taking more territory month-over-month.I hope Russia will not cuck out and stop at Ukrainian border. All of Europe must burn.>inb4/KurskDidn't you hear that Ukranda didn't need it anyway?
>>2040602814chan isn't very representative of the normal sentiment of any country
>>204060164the moral thing to do is to liberate the russians of the so called ukraine
>>204060164>1) supporting Ukraine to the point they can defeat the evil Russian invasion quickly. This means extensive military support, far greater than until now.This isn't going to happen. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to fight on the offensive long enough to retake all of the land they lost since 2014.>This means extensive military support, far greater than until now.This is very vague. What else do you want NATO members to do? Western nations have given Ukraine a great deal of support and they pissed tons of NATO-provided equipment away capturing a bunch of empty, insignificant fields in Kursk for PR purposes. If the Ukrainians want more help then they should stop doing retarded things.>2) ceasefire at the current frontline + NATO membership to deter further Russian aggressionsRussia has no incentive to do this when they're winning.
>>204060164If NAFO thought they could defeat Russia, they would have jumped at the 2022 hohol falseflag where they killed 2 Polish farmers with a "Russian-made" missile
>>204060281Lol what? Here only the retarded covidiot turbovaxxers are supportive of Ukraine. Unfortunately they are also the loudest part.
>>204060314Turns out that Gayropeans ALSO don't want to die for Ukraine! Weird!!! Who would have thought?!?!>>204060308Ukraine should have moooogilized their 18 year old Volkssturm 2 years ago if they wanted to win, anon!
2 more weeks until the Donbas collapes for real?
>>204060308I know it's unlikelyNATO probably won't let Russia conquer all of Ukraine, neither will it enable Ukraine to go on the offensive againso probably the meatgrinder will continue for a while>>204060314NATO can definitely defeat Russia, but it would mean high expenses both financial and in lives, and nobody wants that.I will never understand hos Russians can cheer at the current war, it's like if I was cheering at Germans and Austrians killing each other. Complete insanity.
>>204058932So they will be in Kyiv by 2133?
>>204060351>NATO can definitely defeat Russia, they just don't want toLet's make an exhaustive list of things NAFO didn't want anyway but could have had if they really wanted to, because they are secretly super strong>Korea>Vietnam, despite losing 10k aircraft>Cuba>Safety for the Greatest Ally, despite couping Iran's president>Lebanon>Georgia>Belarus>Syria>Kazakhstan>Niger>Afghanistan, despite fighting a war for 20 years>The Ukraine, despite emptying out their stockpiles>Preventing the Russian economy from overtaking Japan and Germany to become the 4th largest in the world by GDP PPP>The Red Sea, despite assembling a 10 country coalition to fight Yemen, the poorest country in the world>Preventing North Korea acquiring nuclear weapons and state-of-the-art Russian ICBMs>Collectively matching the individual artillery shell output of Russia or North Korea>Collectively matching one tenth of the individual shipbuilding capacity of China>Super-dupers AKA hypersonic missiles>More than 5% of necessary air defenses>Nukes produced in the current century>Ability to manufacture F-22s>Frogmutt colonies in Africa>Military bases in Iraq>Preventing Total Sino-Russian Friendship>Preventing Sino-Indian reconciliation>Preventing 120k annual deaths in the US from Sino-Mexican fentanyl>Stopping the Mexican invasion of the US>Whites making up more than 41% of the US population>Flying Reaper drones over Yemen>Shooting down Russian Reaper-like drones over the Ukraine>MIC that isn't reliant on Chinese components>Non-faked strength tests of the metal used in their gender-neutral submarines https://archive.is/EH3Nj>Europe able to defend itself from an African naval invasion>Europe able to defend itself from an Arabic naval invasion>The ability to defend against rubber dinghies
what's the F in NAFO stand for
>>204060368most of those aren't nato involvements
>>204060381NATO is just a tendril of the GAE
>>204060375>Putin has said>Source: ISWMay we see him saying it?
>>204060351>I will never understand hos Russians can cheer at the current war, it's like if I was cheering at Germans and Austrians killing each other. Complete insanity.Think of it like this then: imagine Austria slowly became more and more buddy buddy with Russia and then wanted to join the CSTOthats what its like for russians, plus a healthy dose of 'they're nazis' propaganda to make it hit even harder.Don't shoot the messenger, just explaining what its like from their point of view
>>204060368NAFObros, I don't feel so good...
>>204060368Russia is entirely dependent on its nuclear arsenal to deter NATO. Conventionally, it has nothing serious to offer.
>>204060434If you say so
>>204060402http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/74223
>>204060464yes I say so. Russia doesn't even have AESA technology. Your entire air force would get blown out of the sky on day one in a full scale confrontation with NATO.
>>204060409That's a terminally retarded point of view
>>204060491this. Average Russian/Ukrainian probably don't even know what CSTO is.
>>204060351Russia does not beat NATO by a single metric and already get bogged down in Ukraine.The only thing Russia could pull would be attempt to grab the Baltics and then pull some "Bro just go for peace talks, don't die for Baltics" psyops on the Western populations.Ziggers like to point out how Ukraine has no chance because Russia has many times the population and industry but in a hypothetical war against NATO, that factor doesn't count for some reason.NATO has 3.5 million enlisted soldiers alone despite most of NATO being volunteer armies, Russia has the GDP of Spain, their tech is behind by 20 years.Only problem for NATO would be mobolizing into a war time economy, which Russia has already done.
According to geopolitical realism, Russia is a weak pissbaby country that must submit to America. Russia is not a great power and has no rightful agency. I only support America and her Allies.
10 years, 6 months and 23 days of Ukraine's very special 48 hour "anti-terrorist-operation" (ATO) against "separatists" in Donbass and Crimea. The results so far:>Lost 21% of its territory>Lost 1,350,000 soldiers>Had half its population flee the country>Been de-industrialised>Its people traumatised>Avdiivka, Bakhmut, Ugledar, Mariupol all lost>Fully owned by American capitalists>Zaluzhny gone>Incursion into Belgorod oblast BTFO>2023 Offensyiv completely BTFO within the first week>Kursk operation failed>Leopards, Abrams, Bradleys destroyed by the hundred>Desperate hopes for a civil war in Russia failed again>Its soldiers are charging into minefields and using human wave attacks>shrubbery is being blamed for losses>captured like 3 villages that got immediately recaptured by the Russians>slowly being abandoned by their NATO patrons>owners now too busy in their already 12 month long special quagmire operation against Palestine to give more funding
>>204060511yes exactly. That's why they focus so much on hybrid warfare/psyops.
I still have no idea why Putin thought this war was a good idea, did he think he could win really quickly, did he think Ukraine would just decide to not fight, did he think NATO wouldnt get involved, seriously what was thinking behind this? Did not one person tell him that this might not be the best idea in the world?
>>204060485>Your entire air force would get blown out of the sky on day one in a full scale confrontation with NATO.Gigacope
>>204060529end your life tranny.>>204060535the USSR was an actual competitor, Russia is a sad imitation. And you are probably getting cucked by the same mafia clique in the kremlin you shill for, pathetic.
>>204060511>that factor doesn't count for some reasonBecause a war between NATO and Russia would be settled by nukes.
(((204060529)))the left can't meme
Russia is a worthless chinese vassal state. It will be annihilated.
>>204060531>Did not one person tell him that this might not be the best idea in the world?Probably notAuthoritarian leaders always surround themselves with yes-men and cull the dissenters, and if this lasts for more than a decade you will end up with a situation where the leader won't even know the sky is blue anymoreWell-established pattern with dictatorships
>>204060548>the USSR was an actual competitor, Russia is a sad imitationPure projection
>>204060531>I still have no idea why Putin thought this war was a good ideahe wanted to eastern fields of the country. There's either oil or rare earth metals for batteries over there.
>>204060549I was considering a conventional war which ziggers are confident they would win.Even with nukes though they wouldn't have the edge because Russia spends significantly less on maintaining their arsenal than the US, despite both having thousands of nukes.
>>204060531He genuinely believed his own lies. The russian system is so corrupy that putin doesnt know the reality ob the ground. It's a potemkin state.
Honestly, the ussr would have lost a war in 1983. the west would be weakened significantly but would win in the end. The russsia of today is not even a pale imitation of Tthe USSR.
>>204060569unironically, how do you think Russian Su-35s would fare against British Typhoons and F-35s? Let alone the rest of NATO? you can't be serious. You're either ignorant or retarded.
>>204060594>the ussr would have lost a war in 1983.Russia is defeating NATO with one hand. The entire Warsaw Pact would stomp Nato in a normal war.
>>204060573The US nuclear arsenal is a decaying pile of shit controlled with floppy disks, so I doubt even 20% of Russia's arsenal is operational
>>204060535You're being dishonest man, Israel just destroyed all of Iran's S300s, and we've been blowing up russian air defenses in syria for more than a decade at this point, stealth tech and electronic warfare were at its very very early stages in vietnam, these days anti air systems are nothing more than a nuisance to the pilot, something you have to take care of before you complete your actual objective, its just not the same, you need your own jets to dogfight if you want to have any luck at taking on fourth or fifth generation fighters
>>204060548>>>/n/afo
>>204060597How did Isntraeli F-35Is fare against Iran's air defenses? Oh, that's right, they were too scared to get in range of them for fear of repeating the fate of another "invisible" wunderplane flying against at-the-time 50 year old Russian air defenses.
>>204060621so you are retarded, got it. Alternative reality and all.
>>204060610>Israel just destroyed all of Iran's S300s,May we see it
>>204060610>Israel just destroyed all of Iran's S300sIs this what zhids actually believe?It was one battery of Hawk (1950's mutt tech from the time of the shah)
>>204060548>the USSR was an actual competitorussr had 8.5% of world's GDPusa had 40% of world's GDP
>>204060621Are you trying to flex the fact that we destroyed their AA without being detected by it? wut
>>204060656doesn't mean their military wasn't serious.
Traitors to the west will be strung up.If you zigger post with a western flag you will be tried for high treason. 4channel is a CIA owned website and they are in your computer. Enjoy being raped to death traitors.
>>204060640>>204060631Yeah? it was confirmed by satellite imagery>https://www.wsj.com/world/israels-strike-on-iran-also-hit-russian-arms-industrys-once-strong-image-2b986ba7?mod=googlenewsfeed
>>204060535Yes the US lost 10k aircraft over 20 years. What point are you making here?
>>204060472>3 hour video>annotation makes no mention of 20k anything
>>204060676it was also confirmed by Iranian, Iraqi, Israeli and US sources as well>https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/26/world/middleeast/israel-air-defenses-iran-energy-sites.html
>>204058878nah, i was in army i and was tired abouth "muh 2nd army in the world" meme, i remember narrative on 2ch /wm/ where people arguing would they be in Kiev in 3 days or 7 days.
>>204060300Yes 1 inch a month. So 2 years they took a few villages and now that most of their equipment is destroyed and they have to send in the wheelchair bound they will truly start to advance!
>>204060690I just copied the source ISW provided, I don't speak russian.
>>204060706rare Russian able of criticising his own country and not projecting evertything outwards.
guys, is the /Rus/ general banned?
>>204060680That they would lose them now if they tried to fight a real war instead of trying and failing to bully shitskins into compliance for 20+ years
>>204060751Russia lost 600,000 mem trying to take a football field saved area in 2 years
>>204060669that's a nonfactor coz ussr was on strategic defense all time since ww2
>>204060726it's not rare, just there people act retarted for metaironic lulz or unironic shills on salary (like entire russian flags in chug)
>>204060762Yes, yes, Ukranda has psychologically destroyed the entire Russian military 3 times over, yet Russian forces in the Ukraine sextupled while materiel has tripled
I'm not sure how many russians are in the thread since some of them make contradicting points (one started bragging about how israel skirted s300s because israel was too scared to get close and then another started saying none were destroyed at all and that it was all american tech that was destroyed?) but at least one of them seems to be arguing in bad faith so whatever.
>>204060672Häng dig själv globalistjävel
>>204060751>That they would lose them now if they tried to fight a real warThe last time a "real war" happened was ww2 and the US still lost less aircraft than the Soviets and out produced them.
>>204060801So mutts lost 10k aircraft in a fake war, since Vietnam was after WW2? That's pretty pathetic desu
>>204060801You were sitting half the ocean away jerking your dicks off until D-Day. Eastern front was total slavshit/yuropoor eradication so don’t compare them.
>>204060791Nice cope Russia lost 600,000 men to take 1/200th the territory they retreated from.All you can do is cope
>>204060796säpo är på väg till din bostad nu förrädare.
>>204058916>>204058932With what cost
>>204060810most of those were helicopters downed just above the jungle trees. If you know anything about military at all, you know the current NATO air forces are leagues ahead of the RuAF. It's not even a discussion.
>>204060821>Ukranda's supreme military officer saying that Russian personnel in the Ukraine has sextupled and materiel tripled is me coping
>>204060795remind them how syrians shot down their plain and they blamed israeli pilot for hiding behind it
>>204060810What?>>204060818In the event of a "real war" the same thing would happen. It would be on their front. They literally and unequivocally don't have the capabilities to conduct it near us. Dosen't change anything I said.
>>204060825Ser fram till det
Love seeing NAFO shills seething early in the morning
>>204060842>Nigger too dumb to understand wordsMany such cases
>>204060832Prigozhin himself admitted it600,000 men to take 1/200 the area Russia retreated from
>>20406082150K+ confirmed on both sides via necrologs and graves. About 120K max dead projected on the Russian side with about 40k disabled due to wounds. 600k number is pulled deep from someone’s ass.
>>204058916You have to go back Sirgay
>>204060849You're post didn't make any sense in English. I didn't even know what you were implying. 10k over 20 years is far better than 65k in 4. So you are ESL and math retarded. You're the one who brought up this "real war" shit anyway.
>>204060862>The jew who wanted to justify his failed coup attempt said it>He didn't even say that
>>204060827>The Kyiv IndependentNigga you really this brainwashed and stupid? May as well post Breitbart and CNN next.
>>204060881your*, lmao
>>204060894
>>204060751Mutts are such grim globohomo faggots I swear to God.
>>204060728Time to make a /bruzil/ general. Would be kino
Ukraine shall prevail. The mongoloid orcs are isolated and they have 0 chance against AFU and the whole civilized world. Mordor shall be balkanized and colonized by the civilized Democractic countries.
>>204060594least retarded swede
What I don't understand is why America dumped Ukraine. Sure muh China but how can they expect Taiwan to fight and die for them when they showed they are ready to fuck their allies if the hamburgers get 1 dollar more expensive and it's elections time?
>>204060569Don't compare any country to Britain right now. Britain is the most pathetic they have ever been in 1000 years. All thanks to (((private equity))) and neoliberalism
>>204060937they just don't care. It's so funny how Israel, which is perfectly capable of defending itself, gets FAR more support from the US than Ukraine, which is in far deeper trouble.
>>204060888Ukraine is restraint to post legit and nonmanipulative data in order to build good relationships with ONU Nato and western world
>>204060937>What I don't understand is why America dumped UkraineBecause picrelThey don't actually have the materiel, let alone manpower, to support a real war
>>204060937>What I don't understand is why America dumped Ukraine.
>>204060557Imagine how scary strong such a state would be. No one would compete with them. fortunately outside of a Russia-China union it will never happen.
>>204058878But didn't they gain millions of new russians by occupying and annexing the Donbass and Crimea? I think the callous thinking of Putin is that high human losses are worth it since they gained so many new people
>>204060958Israel has gotten less money than Ukraine. You can easily google this. Don't be retarded
>>204060964Europeans being cock sucking faggots isn't surprising but I thought you guys actually cared about geopolitics and stuff
>>204060972The biggest gain from this war the abundance of natural resources in Eastern Ukraine. Worth trillions, apparently.
>>204060988Are you being dumb are purpose or?
>>204060960No one is this retarded. You have to be a shill. Hello eglin airbase.
>>204060979Israel is getting things like F-35s. Ukraine is getting used F-16s, and not even from the US directly.
>>204061000Less dumb than pretending Ukraine should win a war without even being able to strike Russian production or having enough ammo
>>204060937this. stupid fags really sabotaging our will to fight now general opinion leans to the idea of just abandoning the country for building jobs in Portugal and let maga retards to deal with the consequences
>>204061017Because Israel is buying them.
>>204060979>ukraine: 60 billion>israel: 130 billionWhat a waste of money
>>204061028what are you pivoting to now
>>204061040no.
>>204061040>israel is buying themYeah. With US money lol
>>204061050True but that 130 billion is over 75 years and the 60 billion is from the last 10 years.
>>204061009What you said has nothing to do with what I said, we were talking about ukraine war
>>204061073and Israel isn't fighting a nuclear power, lol.
>>204060835Well russian air defenses in syria did manage to shoot down an Israeli jet once in 2018, an F16I, but it was due to the pilots not taking proper precautions (the planes flew at a very low altitude) and failing to take proper evasive actions, so its not like its impossible for them to shoot down good jets, its just that it only happens if the pilots do something wrong, its not by virtue of these systems being good, if done properly the systems can be very easily countered as we saw in Iran not too long ago.
>>204061056Pivoting to what?
>>20406108060% of that aid is just replenishing AA stock, so iron dome, david's sling and Arrow 3, which america is technically obliged to do since we signed a contract with them to do that in return for giving them the exclusive right to manufacture the missiles use for these systemsAlso we aren't fighting a nuclear power because we spent years assassinating iranian nuclear scientists.
>>204059141It's essentially over for Ukraine. US elites are finally figuring this out. Send half asses support, get half assed results.
>>204061122I don't like Bibi and the nationalist/far-right Israelis, but I acknowledge that you need to defend yourself and that's fine (for the most part). My point is that you are easily able to do it yourself and you don't need all the US aid you receive.Ukraine on the other hand needs the aid far more urgently than you do yet they don't receive it because they don't have nearly as strong a lobby in the US as Israel does.
>>204059743It's probably a mutt ESL teacher.
>>204061057>>204061066They aren't the only ones you leeches
>>204061153>you leecheshello MAGAtard. Contrary to your propaganda bullshit, Germany doesn't receive jack shit for free from the US.
>>204061115You said we were dumping Ukraine, I posted that we contributed the most so that's not true, and you said we aren't doing enough by not allowing them to do stuff. Those are different topics.
>>204061163>Germany doesn't receive jack shit for free from the US.Good.
>>2040601641. Is way too late now unless you want to send actual man power and no nation state wants to cause that's suicidal and having body bags of your boys come back from a war with an actual competent enemy isn't good optics. 2. Ok? How would you do a ceasefire? Both sides have to agree to something for that to happen and Russia isn't going to allow a ceasefire with NATO membership unless they get some huge concessions.
>>204061170You aren't sending enough and are also not allowing them to properly fight this war
>>204061195yes, we don't need it and we're not asking for it. So quit calling us leeches.
>>204061080Not yet. I'm sure they are working overtime on that bomb now. Maybe they will buy some from North Korea.
>>204061210retard
>>204061163Good. So Germany is actually a good ally.
>>204061218I'm confident Israel can keep Iran from that step.>>204061232yes, but MAGAtard propaganda works overtime to portray us in a different light.not saying we couldn't do more, but still.
>>204061144>but I acknowledge that you need to defend yourselfCan you acknowledge that Israel shouldnt commit ethnic cleansing, land theft, forced eviction, forced imprisonment and war crimes too?
>>204058878Hahaha puccia so pathetic
>>204061263yes.
>>204059425excluding finances it's more like $150b in military equipment. $75b per year to kill half million russians and destroy a decent chunk of russia's military inventory is not bad
>>204061220How so? Tanks were late, planes were late, there aren't enough ammo, Ukraine can't still target worthwhile targets in Russia, explain to me how I'm wrong
>>204061273>AI peremoga
>>204061275Gốod. Then please have your government stop enabling them
>>204061211Germany doesn't get FMF but they get NATO support.
>>204061144I think the question also comes down to practicality and how safe it is Israel has been training on and using american equipment since the late 70s and we even make our own parts for this american equipment that greatly increase its life span, theres a reason the Israeli F16Is are considered the best variant of the F16 and its not even close, the amount of changes we made to that plane basically make it a 4.5 generation jet, we have a ton of experience and provide lots of benefits to the americans with this, meanwhile Ukraine has only 2 years of experience and while the uaf have shown incredible ability and motivation to study and train on american equipment its just not the same, not to mention they don't help with the development of these jets.and then theres the question of safety, the chances american equipment being destroyed and taken by the anti american axis is so much smaller with Israel than it is with ukraine.
>>204061290When you contribute more than us then you can criticize.
>>204061301>>204061263maybe deal with the fire in your own house before telling others to the one in their houses out.
>>204061325I already said Europeans are cock sucking faggots for not helping Ukraine
>>204061301I wish I could, but I don't see it happening.>>204061307so do you. We went to Afghanistan for you and supported various other of your military operations with non-combat means.>>204061314all fair points (except I doubt the F-16I is really better than the newest regular American F-16 variants)but the US could also support Ukraine more without endangering its equipment falling into Russian hands.I'm convinced the difference is due to lobby work in the US.
>>204061341Ok but that doesn't change anything I said.
>>204061210the point is not to make ukraine win, the point is to damage russia as much as physically possible. i have no problem sending an entire generation of ukrainians to their death if it means causing irreparable damage to russia in the process.
>>204058878Is R-A-P-E allow in puccian military
>>204061371You are not making sense
>>204061376that is the unironic cynical stance of the US/EU government rn, but you repeating it doesn't make you any less of a cringe edgelord faggot.
>>204061376But then why would Asians die for you vs China in the next 10 years?
>>204061391It's like a guy pushing a car that is out of gas and the people in the backseat of the car are yelling at the guy pushing the car to push harder. It's more the audacity of it. You don't get to proclaim things until you yourself help out as much. It's very arrogant. When Europe contributes more I will change my tone till then you don't get room to talk about "now doing enough" or "dumping Ukraine".
>>204061376>the point is not to make ukraine win, the point is to damage russia as much as physically possibleIt seems to have had the opposite effects
>>204061395its necessary though, there's a more important war cooking in asia right now and russia needs to be made irrelevant so the US can focus on china if things escalate into war>>204061417i doubt korea and japan would be okay with that, maybe taiwan
>>204061346The natures of the conflicts are different, my understanding is isreal aid is in tension with taiwan deterrence but not so much for ukraine aid. Of course we COULD have changed the nature of the war in europe and probably ended it quickly and relatively bloodlessly but the headless biden admin decided it was too risky/wasted time wringing hands and that option is not on the ballot going forward either
>>204061437>its necessaryno it's not. It's cold hearted and evil, fine if you wanna shitpost about it but genuinely evil if that's your actual opinion.
>>204061423That's what you are doing though. Also I would be very happy if Europe helped more but sadly other Europeans don't think the same way as me
>>204061433Russia has increased the production of small arms and artillery ammunition, but they have lost decades worth of tanks and APCs. They wont be replenishing that for a long time
>>204060937It was never America's intention to save Ukraine, America just wanted to weaken Russia through a lengthy war of Attrition, if America really wanted to save Ukraine it would have forced Zelenskyy to accept the Istanbul peace treaty in 2022
>>204061437China and the US aren't going to war for fucking Taiwan. It's 99% political posturing and propaganda. Both countries economies are so wound up tight that it would be economically devastating for both. If you think otherwise you're tarded.
>>204061170numbers don't represent shit. much debated 60 billions somehow resulted in only 7 billions of direct military aid, Poland alone sent hundreds of tanks but still locates low on donors tier list despite of much greater actual impact. for instance AFU lacks light transport vehicles and has to use civilian cars even near the front line USA could increase humvees production and sent 10k-20k in aid that would help greatly and not so costly just only 5bilions basically cheap change from gender studies for America and create new jobs but instead politicians just say that we are empty sorry
>>204061462i understand that krauts have been babysat for 60 years now so they dont have to deal with the realities of geopolitics so i'll let you have your little moral tirade
>>204061346>except I doubt the F-16I is really better than the newest regular American F-16 variantsand who do you think did all the research to push a middle of the road jet made mainly for export to become such a powerhouse? :^)>but the US could also support Ukraine more without endangering its equipment falling into Russian hands.I'm interested in hearing how you think they can do that >I'm convinced the difference is due to lobby work in the US.it plays a part yeah, but I also think that the biggest factor is that its a lot easier to justify support for the side that has a much better chance of winning the conflict its taking part in.
>>204061471Delusional
>>204061437Yes that's my point, you showed you (well the entire west showed) are an unreliable ally in Ukraine, so why would other countries be ready to die for your goals when they can strike a deal with China?
>>204061464>That's what you are doing though.So arrogant. Europeans are seriously annoying sometimes.
to be honest, you probably won't be fighting any actual Russians until you start invading into Russia.lot of borderlands mercs and primitive tribes getting hauled to the front for money.and the native cossacks definitely getting drafted from the occupied lands.it is kind of their thing to purge their violent surroundings by being those people to take the front line in offensive wars.
>>204061376>i have no problem sending an entire generation of ukrainians to their death if it means causing irreparable damage to russia in the process.And the Yankee shows his true colours
>>204061498almost all of that "production" is just pulling old shit out of storage and refurbishing it, then slapping on new optics. It's not new tanks being built
>>204061490>much debated 60 billions somehow resulted in only 7 billions of direct military aidNot my problem if the money goes to your leaders pockets or off shore tax havens. Sounds like your country needs to sort out its finances.
>>204061449This anon also makes a good pointThe biden admin drew red lines when it comes to support for ukraine and what ukraine can do with it's support and it ended up backfiring, hard.and it also makes sense that Israel aid israel gets would strain the aid taiwan gets, both get advanced american weapons. In comparison to the mostly old equipment ukraine is getting.
>>204061493>muh geopoliticsthrowing this word around doesn't make you wise or smart and not being cynical/edgy is not the same as idiotic delusional pacifism. Fuck off with your bullshit.
>>204061510Let's see what the ukranians think about you>>204061490Wow he agrees with me
>>204061525Russia has reorganised its military, even American generals admit that the Russian military is stronger than before the war.
>>204058878I disown you you filinigger.Russia is so "weak and exhausted" that Nato is now washing it's hands of he Ukraine HAHAHAHAHA
>>204061493Our policy is fucking gay dude russia is more of a threat now it's had years to spin up a war economy
>>204061537Of course he does he wants more money when he already got 100 billy.
>>204061544Wrong picture?
>>204061508well the US will probably treat taiwan the same, it even has a plan to bomb all of the TSMC factories if china successfully controls the island. But i doubt that'll happen because the US is willing to put boots on the ground in taiwan and sink chinese ships itself
>>204061548100 billion for a war in modern days is nothing. war is expensive,
>>204061525Amerinigger close our eyesPigkrainians are getting ethnically cleansed by 2 dollar Kim artillery shells KEK
>>204061563>the US is willing to put boots on the ground in taiwan and sink chinese ships itselfChina would declare war instantly and fire thousands of missiles before the American troops had a chance to dig in and fortify.
>>204061398Just looked this up to watch it.What the fuck.
>>204061582Not the alibaba missiles that had their fuel siphoned off and replaced with water. I'm so scared.
>>204061548Keep being deluded while your image and control on the world slips away even further. You guys showed it's not convenient to fight on the side of democracy, that dictatorships can and will actually try to win a war and help their allies and that you are ready on letting a country burn rather than pay 4 dollar a gallon>B-but also Europeans didn't do enough Ok how is that changing what I said? Also you're the one running the show, it's in your interest to keep your allies loyal
>this thread Am I being baited or do russians and their thirdie supporters genuinely believe this war is a success for Russia? Tens of thousands of young men dead and God knows how much of their stockpiles depleted for not even full control of the Donbass 3 years later.
>>204061582i would love to see china try to fight over the east side of taiwan, they would get crushed
>>204061558The Ukraine getting not 100% of nato gibs is already posted, it's clear Nato wants to focus on Kikesrael instead of the failed state of Ukraine KEK
>>204061459What does this mean?
>>204061578lol
>>204061569I mean it's kinda on par for per year cost of antagonist. That war was about 100 billion a year.
>>204061600>Russia to sieze an entire county in the 21st century whilst their oppositional coalition of enemies fail to stop them isn't a successYeah your ooga booga tribal education is showing kiwinigger. You can only watch
>>204061594If all Chinese missiles are shitty then why hasn't America positioned troops on the Taiwanese mainland yet? >>204061605How much of the Taiwanese resistance would keep fighting after China conquers all of their cities?
>>204061649so what when will the entirety of ukraine be siezed?
>>204061595blah blah blah>Ok how is that changing what I said? Also you're the one running the show,Yeah are we are leading it still is my point. You don't get to say shit. Hush.>>204061641afghanistan* fucking auto correct
>>204061653>If all Chinese missiles are shitty then why hasn't America positioned troops on the Taiwanese mainland yet?They're already there retard
>>204061633>TelegramKek you stupid fucking kike, only retarded goyims doesn't know that telegram peremoga are easy to fabricate KEK. Your kikery does not have power on me moshe. Go get drafted : )
>>204061676Only on Kinmen, any American soldiers on the Taiwanese mainland are trainers.
>>204061663In the future when piggers cannot press gang 13 year olds into trenchesTo the last Ukrainian! Ukrainians will be extinct within our lifespan bros, God is good : D
>>204061689>only on the closest island to china
>>204061665Still no arguments
>>204061534to be honest i dont really care what you think because all of you eurofags are hypocritical niggers that criticize american foreign intervention and then cry for help whenever russia does something. Maybe you would have a different perspective on ukraine if it was your taxmoney going there instead of relying on daddy
>way below bump limit in a few hourssurprising
>>204061702What are those soldiers going to do to defend Taipei?
>>204061718Defend from what? 90% of all chink soldiers will drown before getting halfway.
>>204061706I literally proved your first post wrong so the argument ended all the way back there.
>>204061725It seems that its impossible for China to conquer Taiwan, what with the water filled missiles.Question: Why hasn't Taiwan declared independence yet?
>>204061748You didn't though
>>204061793retard
>>204061707we do have loads of German taxmoney going there too. Neither me or you are our respective governments. The governments can afford it, bc they choose not to, humans are dying. Thinking that's cynical/evil isn't beung hypocritic or whatever. You're a moron who thinks he has to conform to stereotypes of your flag and who thinks I am the stereotype you have of my flag.
>>204061764They are the real china so there is no need to declare independence.
Wow I buckbroke a kiwi, a kike and an amerinigger in swift succession kekZ
>>204061810if europeans weren't subsidized by american defense you would be spending 5% gdp on defense just like russia is. It would affect your quality of life and you would take it more seriously
>>204061827How will this bring back the 600,000 lost Russians?
>>204061663American enemies will sense weakness and begin to act in unison US would have to buck down once again or world war, if America backs faith in it would decline greatly so people would begin to get rid of dollars and that mean 15-30% inflation a year
>>204061810>Neither me or you are our respective governments. The governments can afford it, bc they choose not to, humans are dying.The governments did what their citizens wanted, we should stop coping and blaming the governments as if they don't react to the public opinion >>204061801Ok, if you don't feel too embarrassed by North Korea sending more 155mm ammos than you, fine
>>204061823So why doesn't Taiwan have any official relations with any of the countries of the West?
>>204061827i didnt reply to your post because it was retarded
>>204061881Is sending soldiers to support them and them making factories in my country not offical enough for you?>>204061872Politicans are cucks as usual, if they were smart they would have bombed russia back in 2022 but they never are.
>>204061863>600,000Oy vey you chink zigger, it's 6 million ruZZians!Cope numbers don't mean shit KEK>>204061882>Amerigger thinks it's retardedI'm not surprised, thanks for the compliment, glad to be normal KEK
>>204061906>Is sending soldiers to support them and them making factories in my country not offical enough for you?It's a start, but where is the official recognition? Countries usually recognise the other countries with which they have relations.
Buckbroke again I seeFunding ran out Langley?
>>204062043how does it feel to have been raped by the spainish, the americans, and the japs, all within 50 years?
>>204062062>Americans talking about getting rapedKEKAROWhich ones should I say first? The Brits? The Spics? The Niggers?
>>204062085Deluded pinoy cope to deal with deep-rooted insecurites.. Go get your sloat slit by moros, that will end your suffering at least.
>>204062112>Go get your throat slit by *insert minority*Talk about projection KEKDespite being 13% of the population..
Buckbroke again mutty? Just get drafted and fight for kikes you subhuman goyim.
>>204059681saaaaaaaaar
>>204059866i want my goverment to stop sepnding money on retarded shitskin gibs
>>204060314nato would fucking rape russia lets be honest hereyou're fighting against the biggest shithole in europe
>>204060605sar they are needfully destroying hato sirs
