>>204059879
Greek Orthodoxy is the true faith.

>>204059900
Any church tradition that replaces or nullifies God’s truth is guilty of pharisaical pride and must be avoided.

>>204059924
We don't pride ourselves over that. It makes us sad that 8 billion humans are wrong.

>>204059944
The Greek Orthodox Church practice of kneeling before or kissing the images of Mary and deceased saints is a way of worshiping them.

Their website states, “The Orthodox Church offers veneration to individuals who have been important human instruments of God in the history of salvation. Among those so venerated is Mary, the Mother of God, the Theotokos.”

>>204059965
We worship God only and show respect to the saints. They are not God. Is it wrong, if a mother kisses her deceased son's photo, or if a father kisses his daughter after a long work day?

>>204060023
Jesus told his listeners that God’s servants must worship “with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)

So when a sincere person seeks to know the truth about the use of icons in worship, he has to turn to God’s Word for enlightenment on the subject.

>>204059900
This is the truth.

>>204060084
Where does God condemn respecting people?

>>204060116
“Guard yourselves from idols.” (1 John 5:21)

In commands given both to the nation of Israel and to Christians, the Bible consistently exposes as a myth the teaching that God approves of the use of images and icons in worship.

>>204060138
The idea that dead people’s spirits can be contacted is false. There is no contact between the dead and the living.

>>204060140
stfu you follower of Satan, your cult wont have power here

>>204060157
We can still show respect to their actions in this world. They are below God, like everything else in existence.

>>204060180
Those who practice true religion will be in the minority. (Matthew 7:13, 14) Those who follow the true religion are often looked down on, ridiculed, and persecuted for doing God’s will.—Matthew 5:10-12.

>>204060183
Necromancy is an abomination to God. It is something that the Lord speaks very strongly against as much as any evil.

Holy shit schizo rumble in this thread

>>204060218
We don't practice necromancy. It's not part of our faith. Can you show me where Greek Orthodox people do it?

>>204060232
Do you have a sister?

>>204059938
>replaces or nullifies God’s truth
name one doctrine of the eastern orthodox churches that is not consistent with the bible

>>204060309
>Necromancy
>communication with the dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necromancy

Mary was a natural woman. She has no power to connect us to God, heal us, or hear our prayers.

The Orthodox Churches promotes Mariolatry. You deny they do however, elevating Mary with titles such as Mediatrix, Co-redemptrix, Cause of Our Salvation, Most Holy Mother of God, Our Immaculate Lady, and Queen of Heaven cannot help but foster Mariolatry. Singing hymns to Mary, praying to her, kissing her picture, parading her image through the streets, and bowing down before her statue reflect a degree of reverence that certainly is idolatry.

>>204059965
when you meet a great man, you show respect to him. in eastern culture this means bowing to them and kissing their hands. russians and greeks will kiss the hands of their grandparents and local priests. it is a sign of respect, not worship. the kissing of the hands of a saint is no different.
when you meet a monarch, you kneel. mary is the mother of god, and therefore the queen-mother of heaven. surely she deserves at least the same respect as a queen of england or spain?
as for the "icons are idolatry" meme, when a man keeps a locket with a photo of his wife, and kisses the photo, is that idolatry? no. he is not directing his love to the photo, but to his wife. kissing an icon is not veneration of the canvas and paint, but of the saint.

>>204059879
It was the 17th time they bothered me at home that I had a sudden revelation. It's too bad that after them came the Mormons and I found a new true faith.
>>204059900
Lacks the soul without the Roman emperor

>>204060376
“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I JEHOVAH your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion.” (Exodus 20:4, 5)

Since God requires “exclusive devotion,” he is not pleased if we praise or worship images, pictures, idols, icons, statues, or symbols.

>>204060392
Although Mormons are usually friendly people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

>>204060332
Worship of Mary, prayer to saints, infant baptism, transubstantiation, the trinity, hellfire, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system...

>>204060412
Yeah but they had cuter girls bothering me at home. And it's all about how many times someone bothers me at home, as you know.

>>204060432
There is a danger in choosing a religion based solely on how it makes us feel. The Bible foretold a time when people would “surround themselves with [religious] teachers to have their ears tickled.” (2 Timothy 4:3)

>>204060345
What do you mean by idolatry in this post? Neither of the official definitions applies to Greeks.

>>204060178
2 maccabees 15:14

>>204059965
>before or kissing the images of Mary and deceased saints is a way of worshiping them
I'd eat out Mary and suck on her tits desu jealous of that Jesus nigga

>>204060454
The Eastern Orthodox Church venerates Mary as the foremost saint, calling her the “Most Holy Virgin Mary,” singing hymns to her, praying to her, and kissing her icon.

As a form of idolatry, Mariolatry is sinful. The Bible lists idolatry with other sins such as sorcery, jealousy, divination, sexual immorality, and enmity—these are works of the flesh (Galatians 5:20).

>>204060459
The books of 1 and 2 Maccabees are not canon.

>>204060374
>Worship of saints or Mary
>prayer to saints
doesnt exist
>infant baptism
Luke 18:15
>transubstantiation
Matthew 26:26
>the trinity
Matthew 28:19, John 10:30
>hellfire
this one is really absurd of you to dispute. Mark 9:43
>plenary indulgences
the eastern orthodox churches have never had indulgences
>the sacramental system
every sacrament is a reenactment of a scene from the bible, the verses for each specific sacrament are too numerous to list here

>>204060496
yes they are. they have been canon since the council of hippo 1,700 years ago. martin luther removing them from his bible because he hated jews does not change that,

>>204059879
why the hell is she wearing a saree

>>204059900
/thread
>>204059879
You are a heretic.

>>204060445
But how else are you going to find the one true faith if not by people bothering you at home

>>204060482
We don't pray to her. We can only ask her to pray on our behalf.

>singing hymns to her
not a sin

>kissing her icon
not a sin

Show me the Bible verse that is against these.

>>204060545
>doesnt exist

"The doctrine is held by the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Oriental Orthodox churches,"

>Luke 18:15

Luke 18:15 does not discuss infant baptism. The verse reads: "People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them."

This passage describes parents bringing infants to Jesus for a blessing. Jesus later emphasizes the value of childlike faith.

>Matthew 26:26

"As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it,w and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.”"

The unleavened bread and red wine served at the Memorial are emblems, or symbols, of Christ’s flesh and blood. They are not miraculously changed into or mixed with his literal flesh and blood.

>Matthew 28:19, John 10:30

Neither of these texts says that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are coequal or coeternal or that all are God.

>this one is really absurd of you to dispute. Mark 9:43

Gehenna is the Greek name for the Valley of Hinnom, a place where dead bodies would be strewn, south and southwest of ancient Jerusalem. (Jeremiah 7:31) Gehenna was used by Jesus and his disciples to symbolize the eternal punishment of “second death,” that is, everlasting destruction, annihilation.

>>204060560
The nation of Israel never accepted them as true books of the Hebrew Bible. The New Testament quotes from the Old Testament hundreds of times, but nowhere quotes or alludes to any of the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical books.

Further, there are many proven errors and contradictions in the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals. Here are a few websites that demonstrate these errors:

http://www.justforcatholics.org/a109.htm
http://www.biblequery.org/Bible/BibleCanon/WhatAboutTheApocrypha.htm
https://carm.org/roman-catholicism/errors-in-the-apocrypha/

>>204060566
Jehovah’s Witnesses have reestablished the form of Christianity that was practiced in the first century.

>>204060620
No saint can take Jesus’ place: “There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). There is no one else who can mediate with God for us. Since Jesus is the only mediator, Mary and the saints cannot be mediators. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father: “He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them” (Hebrews 7:25). With Jesus Himself interceding for us, why would we need Mary or the saints to intercede for us?

No one in heaven can mediate on our behalf except for Jesus Christ. Only God can hear and answer prayer.

>>204060586
Jesus told his followers to “make disciples of people of all the nations.” (Matthew 28:19, 20) When he sent out his early disciples, Jesus directed them to go to the homes of the people. (Matthew 10:7, 11-13) After Jesus’ death, first-century Christians continued to spread their message both “publicly and from house to house.” (Acts 5:42; 20:20)

We follow the example of those early Christians and I find that the door-to-door ministry is a good way to reach people.

>This means
what bible jwt use

>>204060703
When Jesus said, “I am the door” and, “I am the true vine,” no one thought that he was a literal door or a literal vine. (John 10:7; 15:1)

Likewise, when The New Jerusalem Bible quotes Jesus as saying: “This cup is the new covenant,” we do not conclude that the cup itself was literally the new covenant. So, too, when he said the bread ‘was’ his body, there can be no question that the bread meant, or symbolized, his body.

>>204060693
Right. So do Mormons and they were the latest to contact me. So now I'm a Mormon.

>>204060756
Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321) but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22). Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ—although this teaching has been abandoned by modern Mormon leaders.

In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6–8). He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17). He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

that bible says this is my body why did you change the quote

>>204060738
>When Jesus said, “I am the door”
True words of wisdom
>>204060768
TL;DR?

>>204060769
It is the context that determines the most precise rendering.

For instance, at Matthew 12:7, e·stin is rendered “means” in many Bible translations: “If you had known what this means [Greek, e·stin]: I want mercy and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the blameless.”—CEI; Douay Version.

In this regard, many respected Bible scholars have agreed that the word “is” does not accurately render the thought Jesus was expressing here. For example, Jacques Dupont considered the culture and society in which Jesus lived and concluded that “the most natural” rendering of the verse should be: “This means my body” or, “This represents my body.”

>>204060787
The translation by James Moffatt uses the word “means;” The Christian’s Bible—New Testament by George N. LeFevre uses the word “represents.” These renderings agree with what is stated in the context of Matthew 26; in verse 29: “I shall not drink of this fruit of the vine again, until I drink it with you, new wine, in the kingdom of my Father.” That is, Jesus referred to what was in the cup as being “this fruit of the vine,” and that was after Jesus had said, “This is my blood.”

We must take into account other vivid language used in the Scriptures, especially by Jesus himself. He also said, “I am the light of the world,” “I am the gate of the sheepfold,” “I am the true vine.” (John 8:12; 10:7; 15:1, JB) None of these expressions implied a miraculous transformation, did they?

>>204060813
Huh?

>>204060840
What was in the cup represented Jesus’ blood by means of which the new covenant was validated.

The Easy-to-Read Version uses the word “is” at verse 24, and “represents” at verse 25: and gave thanks for it. Then he divided the bread and said, “This is my body; it is for you. Eat this to remember me.” In the same way, after they ate, Jesus took the cup of wine. He said, “This cup represents the new agreement from God, which begins with my blood sacrifice. When you drink this, do it to remember me.”

>>204060620
*We don't pray to her like to God.

>>204060678
It's like asking your best friend to pray for you. Mary stands before God, so that's why many do it. You are free to pray directly to God.

>>204060859
What does this have to do with Mormons? Whatever, I'm going to do my morning Ameno listening. Ameno to you, my brother

Sounds a little creepy ngl

>Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the present world order, which they believe to be under the control of Satan, will be ended by a direct intervention of Jehovah (God), who will use Jesus Christ to fully establish his heavenly government over earth, destroying existing human governments and non-Witnesses,[5] and creating a cleansed society of true worshippers who will live forever. They see their mission as primarily evangelical, disseminating the good news, to warn as many people as possible in the remaining time before Armageddon.[6] All members of the denomination are expected to take an active part in preaching.[7] Witnesses refer to all their beliefs collectively as "the Truth"

>>204060873
When I pray to God for others, they don't pray to me first. Prayer is a form of worship. That's why true Christians only pray to God.

It would be inappropriate to seek out an anointed person specifically to pray for you as if they are more likely to be answered. We approach JEHOVAH directly in prayer, we don't need to go through another. Jesus ransom and his alone built the bridge that allows us to approach JEHOVAH freely. Substituting Jesus for another person is saying his ransom is not good enough.

>>204059879
Cultish perversion

>>204060923
The battle of Armageddon refers to the final war between human governments and God. These governments and their supporters oppose God even now by refusing to submit to his rulership. (Psalm 2:2) The battle of Armageddon will bring human rulership to an end.—Daniel 2:44.

Jesus Christ will lead a heavenly army to victory over God’s enemies. (Revelation 19:11-16, 19-21) These enemies include those who oppose God’s authority and who treat God with contempt.—Ezekiel 39:7.

>>204060938
Jehovah’s Witnesses strive to adhere to the form of Christianity that Jesus taught and that his apostles practiced.

>>204060232
schism*

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>>204059938
>replaces or nullifies God’s truth
The JWs quite literally removed John 7:53 – 8:11 and Mark 16:8–20 from their bible

>>204061099
>Jesus and the woman taken in adultery is a pseudepigraphical[1] passage (pericope) found in John 7:53–8:11[2] of the New Testament.
>There is now a broad academic consensus that the passage is a later interpolation added after the earliest known manuscripts of the Gospel of John
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

>>204061099
>Most scholars agree that verses 9–20 were not part of the original text of Mark but are a later addition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16

>>204061151
Cope
>>204061172
Seethe
>>204061201
Dilate

had a couple jehovahs come around the day before last, told me that they believed current global events were bad and that they believed in a higher power that would save the world and end everyones problems. its funny to think about but very disconcerting when you see people irl who actually believe it enough to go door to door telling people about it

>>204059879
lara = wife

>>204060928
Pray has two meanings.

We are free to pray to God for something AND ask our friends and others to pray for the same thing. It makes me feel better and is not against the Bible, or can you find a verse?

>>204059879
The sooner we will abandon abrahamic cults the sooner we will move on already. Look at this threads, schizotards debating sandnigger fairy tales that allegedly happened 2000 years ago, and to which there's not a single shroud of evidence.

>>204059938
> must
who said so?
>>204060140
As I said, Jewish sandnigger cult. The reason Jews still hold strong such upper echelons today in our societies is because Christians have put themselves in a subordinate position for the past 1700 years.
>>204060116
> That is the truth
How can you prove it?
>>204060218
> The lord speaks strongly
When? How? Has it the the past 2000 years? Has it 2000 years ago? Why did god only spoke with Jews 2000 years ago and has not been heard since? Why should I give credit to this voice?
>>204060428
> hellfire
Lol, lmao even
>>204060768
> citations upon citations

> all the other comments
Incoherent schizo mumbling