Armistice Day Edition>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language-learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed) (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>List of trackers for most language-learning packs:https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt>Ukrainianon's list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:https://archive(dot)is/R2feT>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpootPrevious: >>204329921
Spanish speakers, how easily(or not easily) can you understand Reggaeton music? I am practicing Spanish and I listen to a lot of Reggaeton and I can sort of understand sometimes. But a lot of it sounds jumbled to me. I am not good at Spanish yet but was just curious how it sounds to native Spanish speakers and how easy it is to follow.Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA36Z8G8ZCw
>>204395580I hate Lily. Why did duolingo think people would like Lily? Is Lily supposed to make you angry so you keep on doing duolingo exercises to spite her?
Conlanging has completely replaced my drive to learn my TL
>>204395580I would like to learn Italian but apparently it would be tricky to practice with natives since they hate our guts.
1) I'll ask again: are there similar guides like pic rel for other languages? Specifically for French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Russian, Swedish, and Norwegian?2) Do you guys recommend any learning app? I heard good words about Babbel, Mango Languages and Busuu. Something for train and bus rides. I'm gonna do use Pimsler also, but not in public communication>>204395945I'm learning Italian mostly bc french is too hard for me and Italian was next on my list (but I will come back and defeat your language). Anyway, they do like France, maybe with some banter involved, but not simp to you like they do it to Germany.
I’m still a virgin neet in my country, at this rate I’ll have to either Diogenes maxx or be a zog bot and pray ww3 don’t start while I’m in.I have been down in the dumps and less consistent with my Russian language learning, but I’ll still keep at it.
is there a shortcut key for translate on anki for refold deck? I cant seem to figure it out
>>204395945Whenever people here mention France it is very positively. Very often, "France has the only culture worthy of our own".
hacer falta vs necesitar?Im finding real shit explanations online does anyone have a video or can explain the difference? Thanks
>>204397349weird, I took 4 years of spanish in middle and high school and never saw hacer falta. not saying that makes me an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but if it were a common alternative to necesitar I feel like it would at least ring a bell.
>>204397384I've seen it at least hundreds of times. I studied French in school for 5 years and only started seeing common expressions once I started reading and listening to material for native speakers so I would guess that you school taught Spanish as badly as mine taught French>>204397349What I've seen is that hacer falta gets used more in the negative than in the positive, and in the positive it mainly gets used if it's new/surprising and important information.
>>204395892ngl I wanna learn Esperanto so badly but the problem is it's spoken by hardly anyone and usually they're not the sort of people I would choose to talk to. I've been using chatGPT and other LLMs to improve my Spanish and from what I've seen they barely understand Esperanto at all. If practising Esperanto isn't convenient for me I'm just not going to learn it.
>He learned spanish to "gain access to a continent">Said continent has half of its population speaking portugeseSeriously hope none of you did this.
Visited an English learning discord server. It's filled with thirsty Bangladeshis and Indians. Anytime a woman shows her face, they flock like flies. A lightskinned woman claimed to be from Bangladesh and witnessed an angry Bangladeshi creep her out because she was lying and looked way too white to be from her country.South Asians are never beating the rapist allegations.
>>204397702Solo tiene que hablar lentamente o tal vez no quiera hablar con monos
>>204397658Learning Esperanto is too much workI just spend all day finding my own languages
>>204395818it's understandable to want lyrics pertaining to ANY music. that being said, you can't understand this bitch. some of it is whisper Rap like Eilish, some is too advanced for you.but let me be clear: understanding niggers does NOT make you good at understanding Spanish. I live under a rock, and didn't even know this talentless bitch existed.
>>204397349I'm having difficulty understanding your question.hacer falta is having something missing literally. and is more sophisticated talk.la medicina me hace falta. I would say that without thinking. me hace falta el aire.while necesitar is strictly, need. you wouldn't say "necesito aire" ( actually you would, it would just sound weird and depend on context) you would choose your figure of speech me hace falta el aire.its just figures of speech, it depends on what you mean and are tryng to say. me hace falta la comida/medicina would mean you are poor, or you forgot it from the grocery store while necesito la medicina would mean that you need it because it is a medical emergency.but it really is just choosing your words. hope i can be of help.
>>204397702>>He learned spanish to "gain access to a continent">>Said continent has half of its population speaking portugese>Seriously hope none of you did this.They mean access to the North American continent, where most people speak Spanish.
>>204397702Written Spanish and Portuguese are mutually intelligible. Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese are mutually intelligible provided they are spoken at a slower pace.
Reading out loud is getting easierPronunciation is not too badWAGMI
>>204400668that may be true but I still have to memorize a dictionary and then some to understand retard nigger version of SpanishI still haven't gotten around to it. Greek sounds like Spanish too but it's a poor shithole. can't be bothered.
>>204395580How to say 'I hate women' in German and French? In Russian, it will be 'я нeнaвижy жeнщин'.
>>204401882ich bin nicht sicher, aber Google übersetz sagt: ich hasse Frauen.
>>204401882je déteste les femmes
>>204396793>are there similar guides like pic rel for other languages? Specifically for French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Russian, Swedish, and Norwegian?No, it was made by a Serbian anon here and he said he would make one for Spanish and French I think, but he hasn't done it yet.
>>204397089Nice drawings.
I’m going to learn the 3 Baltic languages (German, Russian, Swedish), wish me luck.
>>204402596>KekGood luck
Bumperoonie
>>204396793A lot of the resources in that guide have an equivalent in other languages i.e. the Refold decks, frequency dictionary, X for reading grammar book, Easy X youtube and podcast, Olly Richard's books... I wanted to make a Spanish and French version but it feels cheap to put the same stuff on it.Refold FR1K (v2.0.0, Nov/2023) https://files.catbox.moe/5gvbgy.apkgRefold IT1K (v1.02, Oct/2023) https://files.catbox.moe/27levo.apkg
>>204402596
>>204401826>Greek sounds like Spanish too but it's a poor shithole. can't be bothered.You would be filtered anyway.
>>204402393>>204404514Good job Serbanon, I didn't know it was you, but anyway you are already my hero just for German guide alone!
>>204401882Ich hasse Frauen
>>204401882mir sind Frauen zuwider
>>204404514The Ayan Academy has been a great resource (i'm on chapter 45 atm). I'd also add Journal en français facile. In my experience, you can play the original pokemon Red/Blue and Gold/Silver earlier too. I played both right after completing the Refold deck and didn't have any huge problems. Later games have more dialogue, but those GBC games are relatively laconic.
>>204410333>Ayan AcademyAryan Academy
>>204410840FYI ich habe dich gerade bei der Bundespolizei und dem Verfassungsschutz angezogen. Hoffentlich hat sich das Posten dieses verfassungsfeindlichen und gesichert rechtsextremen Meme gelohnt. Ich wünsche dir eines besinnliches Absitzen im Gefängnis. Hoffentlich wirst du etwas daraus ziehen, aber ich hege Zweifel daran, weil Nazis*innen fast ausnahmslos lernunfähig sind. Tschüss, Chud*in.
>>204411236>angezogenangezeigt
>>204411286He means he made you wear the Constitution Protection.
>>204402596>the three baltic languagesREEEEEEEEEE
How to use Anki?
>>204402596lycka till men varför
Portuguese is the best language to be a native of:>It’s the hardest romance language so you will never have to struggle with it>You get Spanish by default>You can learn French and Italian in half the time it would take natives of other languages to learn>You don’t have to make any effort to imitate Japanese pronunciation>You don’t have to make any effort to imitate Russian pronunciation>The best possible language for poetry, music and other artistic fields
>>204395580I have a language structure question.So in toki pona when you want to say "this tool" you say "ilo ni", when you say "my food" its "moku mi". Possessions always go at the end."e" is just a sentence marker that is followed by the direct object, so "I love you" is "mi olin e sina".My question is could you make the word "that/this/those" a direct object? Such as the sentence: "this tool strengthens the bugs" to "ilo e ni: wawa e pipi"? The answer is just "ilo ni li wawa e pipi" which makes sense, its a possession so you put it behind the subject but would "ilo e ni" be correct as well?
>>204415238 (Me)Never mind I just answered my own question, it is incorrect because "ilo e ni" is missing a verb, so it would be nonsense and grammatically incorrect.
>>204398966Thanks for trying. I think I'll just keep trying to notice it more in input and revisit it later
Can you guys help me to decide how to approach vocabulary learning with something like Anki or at least how would have you approached what I want to do.I've decided to learn German language. So I wanted to start by downloading some deck with 1000 most commonly used german words.However it made me wonder what will I do once I learn the first 1000?I will complete the deck and if I would want to learn less used words like top 3000 or even top 5000 words I basically will have to go through the first 1000 words all over again which I want to avoid, yet going after 3000 or 5000 decks feels like an overkill at the very beginning.Whatever I should do in this situation?
>>204419037Just spam 4.
>>204419037>However it made me wonder what will I do once I learn the first 1000?Add words you come across from content>I basically will have to go through the first 1000 words all over again which I want to avoidAssuming this is a premade deck (you should really use your own decks after 1k but still) you can just delete all the words you already know from the first 1000
>>204419037Get a 5k deck and set "New Cards" to zero after you hit 1000. This effectively pauses learning new words until you set it back, but you can still review what you've learned. No reason to stop at that point, but you can do it if you really want.
>>204411236>Nazis*innenKek
Where do I find anki decks in my language? The ones on ankiweb are trash and the ones in the OP are all in english. I wish there was a good PT -> FR deck out there.
>>204424226here ya go:https://chatgpt.com/share/67327cf0-4364-8009-accd-f5a045ccef10
Any Arabic learners here? Why couldn’t they just, like, write the vowels man
>>204426029not an arabic learner but TRUE man wtf, also happens with hebrewthey really have writing vowels easier yet they refuse, it eludes me really
Applications/Websites to learn how to draw Chinese strokes/characters?
>>204425919Had no idea that chatgpt could do this. Just tested it with 200 words and it worked a lot better than I thought it would
>>204426029Arab here, i don't know how arabic is taught to foreigners but i can help you with simple things that don't require an arabic for foreigners teacher degree
Is 27 too late to move to Europe and start a master's? I'm coming up on two years of teaching Math and all I can think about is how I want to learn more myself. I have a bachelor's and an MEd already. B2~C1 in French, have survival German but willing to learn more.
what are your techniques to work on pronunciation?
finnish or kazakh
>>204428270No, but academia in Europe doesn’t seem to be in a good place right now, I have a friend in the UK who just finished his PhD and had to teach kids since he couldn’t find any better job.
>>204430397I am fine with teaching kids. It is my current job; I like it and am good at it. I don't work with easy kids either.
>>204428270>Is 27 too late to move to Europe and start a master's?No.In 10 years you will realize that you worried for no reason.
do you ever stop thinking about how tragically short life is?there are so many languages you can't ever learn. hell not only languages, there is so much knowledge you will never acquire and so many things you will never do because you're not granted enough time on this earth. you will never be who you want to be.and all of this is without considering the possibility that you might not die of old age but rather young instead.it's just all so fucking gay.
>>204424226just make your own decks. using other people's decks is just so fucking dumb, you're missing half of the learning process.
>>204429551Neither, conlangs :^)
>>204429551Interslavic
>>204431947>>204431966Why learn a conlang when you could at least learn a language that doesn't have many native speakers left, to at least help preserve it?
>>204432036>being helpful and usefulThis is not what conlangs are for...
>>204432036Toki Pona is very easy to learn, you can become fluent in 30 hours and its a great "test language" to see if this is even something you want to make into a hobby.I originally did it because I took 8 years of Spanish and can barely speak it, Toki Pona was my attempt to prove to myself that I'm not an absolute retard and I was hoping it would then help "jump start me" into learning either middle english or latin.
>>204431906I am doing my deck, but having another one on the said to learn the words I missed or reinforce the ones I already know would be good.
>>204432086Or you could become a gigachad and learn Ainu or West Frisian. The only people who learn stuff like Toki Pona and Esperanto are obese libtards.
>>204433017If you did learn a language like that, is there anything you could actually do with it? Trying to help a language survive would be cool as shit but as a non-native retard, what could you do?
Anyone know a good website for Chinese grammar? Looking for explanations and exercises for sentence structure and use of certain words.
>>204433017>The only people who learn stuff like Toki Pona and Esperanto are obese libtards.I'm allowed to break the mold anon... But you are right and its annoying.
>>204434149literally what do you do with it besides post on the subreddit. genuine question.
>>204434149Interlingua es le melior lingua construite, proque es le plus natural que altere linguas artificial, e facile a comprender. Interlingua es facile a leger e audir, mesmo sin studio formal, e su vocabulario es recognoscibile pro parlatores de multe linguas. Le grammatica es simplificate e intuitive, lo que lo rende accessibile pro multes.
>>204431841Yep all the time. That’s why if you don’t like the learning process then you shouldn’t start
>>204432086You don’t really “learn Toki Pona” like you learn a real language, because there is no native culture for you to correct yourself against. Outside their discord server or whatever. For example, when I study Latin I am holding myself to write or speak like Caesar, Cicero, Seneca, Cato, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Newton, and many other greats. If you study Toki Pona then you are holding yourself to speak/write like a couple trannies on a discord server.
>>204435398Increíble, me parece que el interlingua y el español son casi igual y entiendo todo lo que escribiste
>>204435727> escribisteWhat tense is this?
>>204435727Vermente, mi amico. Illes qui parla linguas romanic usualmente pote comprender Interlingua immediatemente sin studio. In facto, mi cognoscentia limitate de espaniol ab le classes in le schola secundari me permitteva comprender 80-90% de Interlingua al prime incontro.
>>204435753second person preterite indicative of escribir
>>204435789Thank you. I didn’t realize Spanish’s preterite doesn’t use auxiliary verbs
Bump
>>204431841This shit feels pretty damn long to me
>>204431841>>204438379life's short so why does it take so long
>>204379762>conor plerumque Plautinatim verba proferre, comoedo illi valde oblectamento erat ea forma scriberesì rectè referò, cicerò etiam ipse uulgàriter litteràs compònèbat, ignoscò tamen quam uera sit haec rès
>>204439456oportet equidem dìcere, mè mèdiaeuàliter scrìbere cònàrì
>>204433198The only thing you can really do with an endangered language is flex on colonized native speakers and embarrass them into learning it better. I am fluent in Irish and all I do is intimidate Irish people who either don't remember any from high school or are too embarrassed to speak it out loud.The only minority/endangered language in Europe worth learning is Basque, and maybe Welsh. You can easily get by in Pais Vasco only speaking Basque and to be eligible for a civil service job there you need to be fluent. In contrast literally nobody in Ireland speaks Irish besides some farmers with their grandparents
Learn IcelandicThere's only 300,000 native speakers but there's a lot of content
>>204439658>The only minority/endangered language in Europe worth learning is Basque, and maybe Welsh.do we count greenland as being a part of europe or the americas? i think kalaallisut there is more common than danish
>>204439727I'm interested in Icelandic. What kind of content?
>>204439804bjork
>>204439804Well there's Halldór Laxness and a lot of crime writers, I haven't read either of them yet but I hope to eventually Anyway my favourite Icelandic content is technically Old Norse (Icelandic) but I think it still counts because the languages are close The most important Old Icelandic literature is the Sagas of the Icelanders which are Medieval literature written in Iceland about various events but typically they involve farmers getting into feuds and fighting each otherIdk how many pages it is total but in English translation it's a bit less than 2200 pages or so This is just one genre, there's also kings' sagas which are stories about kings, legendary sagas which are stories about ancient times for example volsunga saga and contemporary sagas which are sagas about the Iceland around about the time they were written, 13th century IcelandThere's also poetry but I find it very difficult to read One nice thing about the sagas is that the prose is very simple and so you just need to learn the idiom of Icelandic (which imo is quite difficult) It's not like learning Latin and then having to dive into page long sentences of Cicero There are modernised editions of Old Icelandic texts in modern Icelandic spelling so you can learn the language for both medieval and modern contentThe only problem is that a lot of Old Icelandic vocabulary might be useless
>>204440266How would you compare Old Icelandic to Ancient Greek and Latin?
>>204440266Ok. I'm more interested in audio/video content especially if I were to practice listening. But I guess I can find whatever is available on youtube and deildu
>>204440266i remember an icelandic writer who wrote a book about icelandic farmers being fucked by the state or smth, i wanted to read it but never really got to it, who was it
>>204440481nvm it was halldór i should have looked it up before posting
>>204440480Well idk then, I doubt a country as small as Iceland has much to offer seeing as it's devoted itself so much to literature There's a joke that every 1 in 10 Icelander is a published author lol >>204440479I've only dabbled in Latin so I couldn't say Jackson Crawford reckons that Old Icelandic is more difficult than Latin but easier than Greek but I think he's talking about the difficulty of the language, not the difficulty of the authors you'll want to read which is what really matters Old Icelandic poetry is really difficult and so maybe that balances things out but the prose isn't too bad One thing I know is that the resources for Latin and Ancient Greek are vastly superior to that of Old Icelandic, at least in English
>>204428270Never too late to improve your life.Europe is not looking too hot right now, but who can predict anything these days.
>>204440760Do you know of anywhere to find audiobooks? It seems like audible has nothing in Icelandic, or maybe they do but their search/filter has become shit and impossible to use properly.
Bulgarianon here. Just started learning Polish because I'll likely be moving there soon and want to get a headstart. How noticable is the Bulgarian accent to Poles? Does it generally make a negative impression, and if so, is it worse than a Russian leaning accent?
I just want 2025 to start already, it’s gonna be my year, I’m gonna master two languages.
>>204442468I've never met a Bulgarian who spoke Polish, so IDK.Why Poland?
>>204442815The UK is getting unbearably bad, and I've completely given up hope on Bulgaria, so I'm not returning there. I have family ties to Poland, so for at least a little bit, I'll probably live and work there while I figure out what I want to do in the long-term. It feels familiar enough culturally and linguistically for me to not be completely lost, but it doesn't have as heavy of an atmosphere of corruption and misery, which I just can't stomach anymore.
I took courses and studied Spanish until A2 level. Then I stopped for a while and later continued my "studies" by inpootting as much as possible. After hundreds of hours of series and video games I still can't pass a B1 level exam lmao.
>>204443114Input cucks btfo'd kek>>204442926Understandable. I wish you luck.
>>204439658Cá háit a d’fhoghlaimíteá í? Cén canúint a phioc tú?
>>204443237I'm just gonna continue inpootting anyway because I'm too lazy to study and playing video games is fun.
>>204443712Report back after 5k, maybe you'll be able to pass the B1 exam.
>>204435164I personally do noting with it. Originally I was going to use it to journal in, but the language is way too vague for that to be useful, so instead I use Shavian for that now and Toki Pona I use mainly to title things or write journals of the TTRPGs I play solo.>>204435398Interlingua doesn't grab me the way Toki Pona or other conlangs do. If I don't have an interest in it aesthetically or if it isn't don't something I find novel or interesting its going to go to the dustbin.>>204435714>You don’t really “learn Toki Pona” like you learn a real language, because there is no native culture for you to correct yourself against.There is a culture but it is minor and part of the fun is making that culture I presume.> If you study Toki Pona then you are holding yourself to speak/write like a couple trannies on a discord server.True, which is why I don't actually have a discord and why I'm not in their server, even then its such a vague language that any sort of talk on a political level is hard and vague.
>>204435727>igualiguales
>>204431947>>204431966oK. Considering we are in the same language family with Kazakh it will be easier for me to start with it so I will start with Kazakh first and then Finnish. The problem is I know these languages are meme languages, but I still want to learn them because I'm interested in them. The opposite of this is that I do feel the need to learn languages that are extremely useful like Russian, Chinese and German, even though I'm not interested in them. I wish Finnish was lingua franca of the world.
the "personal a" in Spanish is pissing me off i'm about to switch to French or something
>>204444425>If I don't have an interest in it aesthetically or if it isn't don't something I find novel or interesting its going to go to the dustbin.>>toki pona>>other conlangs so probably esperanto and idono offense but i think your taste sucks
>>204428270I believe that a significant portion of people who start Masters are in their mid-late 20s, no? It seems quite common for a young person nowadays to get their Bachelor's and then immediately start working only to a few years later realise that in order to really climb the career ladder they need that Masters paper as well.
>>204428270I was 31 (US based) when I started my masters. Half my program was straight out of undergrad 20 somethings and the other half experienced people who had been working previously Loads of international students
>>204445076What is even the point of all these conlangs? No one wants to learn that shit.
>>204444913filtered
>>204439658> am fluent in Irish and all I do is intimidate Irish people who either don't remember any from high school or are too embarrassed to speak it out loud.Holy based
>>204445335i mean some people do want to learn it because le colonialism is le bad, but idk theres no going back, imagine if esperanto had been constructed before colonialism, we would just have blackpeepo speaking retard romance instead of aaveimo constructing conlangs (specially just because) is better and more entertaining and interesting than learning them
>>204446209Yeah, I can see that, Chad Tolkien created languages, but he never learned esperanto or any other cringe conlang.
>>204447437hmm... nggg.. rrrr........i really wish it was so
>>204395818im caribbean and i dont understand itsometimes i do, but end up misinterpreting things anyway
>>204447881My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Can I rise by child to be a polyglot from day 1? I currently speak 4 languages and my partner another two, can I teach them all to my child while his brain is developing and turn him into the ultimate polyglot or will that make him not learn properly our native language?
>>204448876Don't see the point. Just talk to them in both of your native languages and that's it.
>>204449164as a 32 years old wannabe polyglot, I wish I had started earlier. my parents failed me by only teaching me spanish
>>204448876why do so many parents want to fuck up their children with their dreams instead of doing those things themselves
>even bulgarians think this country is a shitholethat's it I'm learning polish
>>204449229brexit killed free movement so we're stuck here :^
>>204444706I don't really care about my language family as an English speaker when I can just learn older versions of my own language.>>204445076Minimalism sucks? I don't know anon, it sounds like you have bad tastes.>idoLooks familiar but I can't remember it I'll look it up.>>204446209Why is it so hard to believe that people just want to learn something that is ultimately useless but is interesting to them?>>204447881Maybe I should try to learn Esperanto after Toki Pona. "pona" itself is "bona" from Esperanto but with the b flipped into a p. There are also some other Esperanto words sprinkled in there or modified.
>>204449229fuck off we're full
Ia it possible to learn a 2nd language but not be literate in itI don't care about reading I just need to be able to understand when it ls spoken to me ASAPHow can I become fluent fast?Is there a learning method that focuses in this and getting me up to speed fast Help!
>>204448876>>204449220A completely stupid goal in my opinion, to what end? Will your kid get a better benefit from learning about your history and doing sports, or learning some new language he'll never use that he doesn't care about?There are so many better things to do with a kid's time, you COULD make your kid a polyglot but it comes at the expense of other skills, so it's really only worth it if the kid wants it. If they're spending 1,000 hours learning a new language they're not actually learning about history or music or how to be creative or 100 other things kids should learn, they don't even know their own language to a good level at that point.If I could select a "starter skill" right now it would be something like knowing an instrument or being physically fit over knowing a language, language learning needs to be maintained every day and there are clear tradeoffs that make it make sense only when you care personally about it.
>>204449229>>204449266I want to move there so bad
>>204449679I'm sorry but your tastes are extremely gayhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Toki_Pona/tonsi
>>204453746What language and why and how many hours do you plan to do it a day?
>>204454237The funny thing is that they put on tonsi but took out apeja (shame) and apelo (to relax with friends, to drink alcohol sociallY) for tonis. If it makes you feel better tonsi was added later as an addendum to the original language.
>>204454237I think the sitelen pona is kinda cool, its like fucked up chinese/japanese. I think its kinda aesthetic, but in a silly meme way.
>>204448876It will delay their overall language ability because instead of going deep into one language like most kids, they're splitting their exposure time into two or more. This could cause problems in school or socially that aren't immediately apparent. Even though on paper they know 4 languages, only one really matters anyway and if they can't follow instructions and understand and express themselves at the same level as other kids, you basically put an obstacle in their way that didn't need to be there. Eventually they will catch up, but I don't think it's without its costs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxrkgGZ99tQ
>>204454849If you want to write something that isn't important and you're okay with it being vague and not really having much of an emotional impact its an okay language to write. Most of all its kinda an "artist language" where you need to put text somewhere but you don't want to be English, is probably a better use for it.
>>204448876At most I think you can only teach your kid two languages, your home languages (aka what you speak at home and its a 50/50 if they can speak it well or not) and the language of the society they live in.
>>204448876Just teach them NL and English(the most useful).
>>204448876I don't know where you live but if you aren't teaching them English (or if you hate them Chinese) you're setting them up for economic failure.
>>204448876Do 1 parent 1 language. Let your son watch cartoons in English once he is in school.Don't send your kids into extra language classes. I had a classmate in primary school whose parents sent him to Mandarin classes when he was 8 and it did not help his development.If he wants to learn another language later on, he will have it quite easy, because he already speaks 3 by this point and knows about input.
>>204448876Idk my daughter is 3 she is already bi lingual fluent (English and Italian) and she likes to learn phrases in the local dialect (bergamasco) and Latin
question for italianonsis there a difference between "nulla" and "niente"?
>>204453746Almost every Spanish speaker in the US that grew up speaking English and Spanish at home is barely literate in Spanish. My wife is a chicana and she speaks fluently to her family but struggles to read it because she never had any reason to learn because she only used English in school Remember, children learn to speak and don't learn to read or write until years later. Speaking and reading/writing are separate things
>>204441272Personal circumstances drive me to run very far away from where I am.Question for the Frenchanons: I looked over ENS Ulm and Lyon entrance exams for pure math and they seem within my capability. I have very good undergraduate grades and I'm an alum of a prestigious US civil service. Is applying to ENS insane? Or just yolo it?And Germans, what is the graduate interview process typically like in your country? What should I emphasize in my app?
>>204454940This is a myth.Fully balanced bilingualism does not exist. But ceteris paribus, bilingual children will tend to have slight cognitive advantages that turn into real advantages in many fields. The embarrassment of being bad at reading Spanish does not cancel out real cognitive benefits.
>>204454327German
Watching videos about AJATT makes me feel lazy.How do these doods have the mental willpower to do that? I have the impression that if I matched their sweatyness level I could be fluent in German in like one year.I also wonder if I should give up on ever learning Japanese since I don't think I could contain my autism for 6 years nonstop.
>>204454940I had a good discussion with my child's pediatrician about this as we speak to it in both English and Spanish Our doctor said research shows that it ultimately has no effect long term. Typically a child will be slightly delayed in speaking but "catch up" and be completely fine while being bilingual People have been learning multiple languages as babies for centuries.
>>204458988Which videos?
i have officially learned the entire alphabet. now i just gotta learn the order of the letters. these eastern cunts were really trying to be quirky all the way.
>>204458988I gave up on Japanese because the time investment is just too much. Having to make it such a big part of your life just to get good (and more importantly, stay good) felt disgusting to my pro-European brain.
>>204459268>to itdamn
>>204461243You could’ve just said you’re too dumb to learn it.
>>204461375Yea, it's so hard bro. All those 2 irregular verbs, and easy phonology. Stick to failing at french (LMAO) and just be quiet
I just grew out of japanese stuff. Also its all gotten really lame as Japan has gotten even more mainstream
>>204461375>>204461421no more brother wars. if we fight each other monolingual betas will win.
>>204458087A real Italian should respond but my sense from how people use it is that nulla is more emphatic.
>>204461255You don’t want to gender it too early. It needs a chance to choose its own gender.
>>204461512That’s what happens when you learn languages just for the sake of learning without a clear goal in mind. Protip: you won’t learn the language you’re currently studying as well. The problem is (You), not the language.
>>204458087basically what the american said. there is no real difference except that nulla is slightly more "formal" and emphatic.another difference is that niente can be used as an adjective of sorts while nulla can't now that i think about it.>>204461825bait used to be believable
>>204461512As the world gets Americanized a lot of languages become pointless to learn. That’s why I am learning Latin, take me back to a culture that valued dignity
>>204461825kek, in Toki Pona there is no gendered pronouns :^), there is gender though.
>>204461866This but you should also explore your own cultural roots as well. If you can't read at the very least Shakespeare you're in trouble. If you can read Beowulf in its original printing, then I'd say you've done your duty.
>>204461862> bait used to be believableThe reason to learn Latin is to have a source neuter gender pronouns
>>204461862>>204461768grazie
>>204461980Shakespeare speaks modern English, every native speaker reads it without even thinking there’s a difference
>>204461980As for Beowulf, that’s cool but it’s not my native culture unless I’m of English descent
>>204462073kek, non mi sonno reso conto de ch'il piange
https://youtu.be/RZeB78eHAVk?si=9TwGJ6t9esHE2amtThis is such an emotional video, whenver someone tells you “you will never learn your TL” show them this video. It all depends on you, never give up on your dreams.
>>204461980I've been meaning to actually learn Early Modern English so I can understand Shakespeare. Beowulf is a completely separate language though and there's not nearly enough Old English content to justify it
>>204462383What do you mean “learn X to understand Shakespeare” it’s literally just English
Jó reggelt, uram!
>>204461854Geez dude none of that applies to me. That was just needlessly confrontational
>>204462383>Beowulf is a completely separate language thoughit is not, but a separate stage in the chronology of English
>>204462435I think it'd be appropriate to absolutely study in particular the phonology of that stage of English, as Shakespeare's plays make less sense if you just equate it to current GenAm. There's to my understanding a lot of wordplay that no longer makes sense as English has developed.
>>204462805Ittoryu: Shishi Sonson.
As a millennial, in English literature class we spent a little over a year reading Shakespeare. Who is spreading the meme among zoomers that Shakespeare isn’t just an erudite form of contemporary English? And who did they have you read instead of Shakespeare? I fear they might have finally forced “the color purple” and other bs into the curriculum and kicked Shakespeare out, perhaps? Tell me it ain’t true, Zoomies :’(
>>204462435Yeah thisThere isn't much to study when you're reading modernised texts like the Arden editionsYou just have a ton of vocabulary to learn and the best way is to read Shakespeare
>>204463015This is so reassuring. /lit/ told me everyone who’s fluent in English should be able to understand Shakespeare easily so I always beat myself up over the fact that I struggle a lot with him.
>>204432086>its a great "test language" to see if this is even something you want to make into a hobby.But not only is there zero content in it but the amount of time it takes to learn it is far too short, you'll never stop, look back at what you've gone through, and think about how much you've improved and feel the positive affirmation that gives you.>>204433911https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar
>>204458941Sorry for you loss. That's a solid MAYBE at best for if it's possible, and I don't think any language learning methods really ONLY focus on speaking like you're talking about, I've heard of Babbel and other language courses that tend to be used by normalniggers who aren't fluent, but they claim to do what you're talking about where they focus on conversations.Really, there are a bunch of problems with what you're talking about>Transcripts will help a LOT. If you can watch a video, then read a transcript, then watch it again this will help you gain early understanding of speaking. This means you learn to read.>"Just listening" is harder than combining with other methods. The other methods help early understanding, which is generally needed for later understanding>You want something fast, but it would still take hundreds of hours. The only really FAST way to learn a language is to use it all day every day like what religious institutions would do to teach their people in 30 days, 0 hours native language, 16 hours TL language. They learned reading when doing this because just talking for 16 hours is boring and unproductive.So no, you're gonna have to learn to read probably, especially if you want to learn fast. You might not be able to learn GOOD, but it always helps with learning to be able to stop and think about something, and reading is the ultimate form of that.The only real advice I can give is to practice what you want to get good at. You want to understand what's said at you? Look up videos of people talking, ideally with transcripts, watch every video a couple times and really try to understand everything.>>204458217Yeah, but it took them decades of hard work to be that bad at reading, anon couldn't achieve it fast.
>>204458988You have to have fun while doing it, and if you're in a foreign language everything is new. I'm not all spanish all the time, but I do 2 hours a day effortlessly on work days, and can do many more on days off. You pretty much just have to move what you enjoy over to your TL.>LazyJust methodical, language learning doesn't make you more or less lazy, disciplined, sure, but it's not really hard work or work at all, you just follow a method.>>204463053Lel, they told you that? It's full of old english that 99% of english people can't understand anymore, I read above a college level but I haven't studied shakespeare so all the analogies and phrasing and poetry don't make sense.I have 10,000 books I'd want to read before I wasted my time learning to read shakespeare. "A Conneticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court" is more about the level a good english speaker should be able to read, and it's much more enjoyable.>>204395580OK, time to talk about passive listening again, it has to work up to a point, but what is that point?>Took a nap while listening to a spanish audiobook>Listened for 30 minutes while awake, fell asleep for another 90 minutesI can fairly accurately pin the time where my attention dropped off and I fell asleep, at 30 minutes. Is this equivalent to 30 minutes of input, or somewhere in-between? Anyone want to make an estimate backed by absolutely nothing?
>>204462093You aren't reading real Shakespeare then.>>204462133Yet you speak the language, crumpted.>>204463109>But not only is there zero content in it but the amount of time it takes to learn it is far too short, you'll never stop, look back at what you've gone through, and think about how much you've improved and feel the positive affirmation that gives you.That's pretty lame if you ask me, I don't study languages for that.
>>204463109>But not only is there zero content in itThere's a couple of songs, mainly vocaloid stuff in it and there's books if you know were to look but you're right its pretty sparse. Also the Japanese have an interesting relationship with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkuTDrCPts
>>204463425In High School I'm pretty sure the editions we were given were simplified with a lot of rephrasing going on
>>204463470That writing system/script is so silly.
>>204463498If you think that's silly go look up sitelen sitelen pona, its ugly as fugg
>>204463546That is also very silly
I challenge the Zoomies in here to find something challenging to read in Shakespeare. Though I’m on a plane about to take off in a half hour, and they block 4chan on the airplane WiFi so please be fast
>>204463702Yeah I much prefer sitelen pona over sitelen sitelen, but I might transition over to a toki pona rune system I found. That or I'm just going to learn Shavian next.
>>204463761The main difficulty with Shakespeare isn't the language itself, it's the fact that the social and cultural context for much of what he wrote no longer exists and needs to be studied alongside the text for it to make sense.
>>204464824Challenge!!!! Being that, aside from some sonnets, what he wrote is fiction, the context needed is explained within the plays themselves. It’s not like he’s referencing things that we don’t know about.
Alas, after a half hour delay, the plane takes off.
>>204465058>what he wrote is fiction, the context needed is explained within the plays themselves. It’s not like he’s referencing things that we don’t know about.>he doesn't know...
>>204463327>Anyone want to make an estimate backed by absolutely nothing?You listened for 30 minutes. You can't learn languages in your sleep.
>>204465387But I already have a solid base, and I've had dreams where I'm clearly hearing something in them like the TV left on, why can't you? The brain would absorb nothing, not even subconsciously, from 90 minutes?How does the brain manage to automatically process language with no effort when you're awake, but then it entirely turns off and discards everything when you're asleep?
>At the point where literally everything makes sense but it's just a concentration gameLmao, is this actually the intermediate plateau? I've heard that thing described like 800 different ways, I'm not sure what it is. It really is just about how much focus I can give to something and whether I understand it without trying or not.It's strange, by not seeing this posted about all the time I have to assume that most people don't get this far, there's a clear gap between understanding and understanding with zero effort. I can feel it improving constantly but it's such a vague concept that I have no idea when I'll finally just understand.
Should I learn Latin or Arabic if I'm interested in western philosophy/political theory but history and anthropology of the near east
>>204466629How is somebody else supposed to answer that for you?
>>204466629Don't study Arabic, it's too difficult and there isn't enough content to justify it unless you're a Muslim
>>204466629Ironically ancient Greek might bridge the gap
>>204466747I'm Chaldean, my parents speak Syriac (I don't) but I can pronounce the Arabic alphabet and read the Quran despite being Christian
>>204465730>How does the brain manage to automatically process language with no effort when you're awake, but then it entirely turns off and discards everything when you're asleep?How is this a serious question??? Are you telling me that being awake and being asleep are the same for you?I shouldn't need to explain this but when you're asleep your brain is not working hard. It's actually recovering from what it's done the previous day. Dreams are not mentally intensive and if anything probably part of the mental recovery. Also people have studied learning while asleep quite a lot and it doesn't work, not even for languages. You cannot learn a language by listening to it while sleeping.
>>204448876Absolutely don't force your dreams on him. Teach him a few valuable languages that will actually make a positive impact on his life. Imo you should limit it to French, English and Chinese. Those languages + Spanish are a great combination. If you don't know French or Chinese, then too bad! It will have to be English and Spanish.
>>204466793>I shouldn't need to explain this but when you're asleep your brain is not working hard. It's actually recovering from what it's done the previous dayThis isn't true. It's recovering but it still "works" constantly, the activity doesn't drop to zero or anything. It's still working, just working on stuff that's different from the awake stuff.And when you have dreams you can understand your own language in them and you can hear people talk. And when you're asleep you can sometimes dream of what's on the TV, so outside input is getting in.I'd need to see some proof besides "there are studies" because so far I've seen no arguments against at least a minor form of learning being present while asleep.
>>204466997Pure copium. Believe whatever dumb bullshit you want at this point if you're going to make such desperate arguments and can't accept the obvious.
Is Russian useful? Why should one learn it?
>>204467092>Desperate arguments>Can't accept the obviousI've presented arguments that are reasonable. You can hear the TV in your sleep. You can understand language in your sleep. Your brain isn't "asleep", simply doing something that's not awake.You need to present an argument for people to listen to you here.
>>204467164a lot of the music i listen to is in russian and it just sounds cool
>want to learn japanese>don't wanna learn autistic 3 script writing systemsuch is lifeIs there any reason to learn this xenophobic island tongue?
>>204467164Yeah it's useful because if you study Russian you can read Russian literature in the original languageIf you're a Mongolian/Turkic enthusiast then Russian is a great choice because from what I've been told there are lots of textbooks and resources on them in RussianIf you're an academic of Imperial Russia or the Soviet Union then Russian is indispensable although you'd likely need to know French and Russian as wellThere are loads of uses >>204467304Hiragana/Katakana shouldn't take too long to learnGood luck anon
>>204467304hiragana and katakana are basically the same thingkanji is the real kicker
>>204467304I learned hiragana 10 years ago, I still remember them all despite almost never using them.
Tfw you learn Italian but no one in these threads speaks italiano
>>204467296I bet there's way more good music in German and in French and maybe in Italian, etc. There's absolutely zero music in Spanish compared to Russian though. >>204467345>Russian literaturePeople mostly mean only Tolstoy and Dostoevsky when say about "Russian literature" worthy of reading. Is reading two writers worth learning an entire language?>there are lots of textbooks and resources on them in RussianIt's like learning Spanish because there are many resources in it on Quechua though. >an academic of Imperial RussiaWas is that much historically important though? I haven't seen many people learning Turkish to know more about the Ottoman Empire despite it being arguably way more important than the Holstein-Gottorp Empire. The Soviet Union is ok but it was less then a hundred of years ago.>you'd likely need to know FrenchNot an expert but for what I gained, the role of French in imperial Russia is rather overestimated. >are loads of usesFor example?
>>204467685probably but i got hit with the slavaboo disease as a teenager so slavshit is my retarded fixation
I'm not trying to be a self-hating libshit or anything, but otherwise, I've suddenly lost all my fascination with English and as I haven't learned German yet, I'm filling the void of my main language with Russian again, but just after being exposed to the cosmopolitan culture, it's somewhat hard to recall why the fuck should I like this language again? It has cases so is basically Latin (and it's the most underrated feature of Russian) but what the fuck else is good about it? >>204467700>the slavaboo diseaseWhat is it? Does such even exist?
>>204467519There's an italian general almost every day, just go shitpost in there.
>>204467685>People mostly mean only Tolstoy and Dostoevsky when say about "Russian literature" worthy of reading. Is reading two writers worth learning an entire language?It's sad that foreigners know more about Russian literature than actual Russians today lmao What went wrong? >Not an expert but for what I gained, the role of French in imperial Russia is rather overestimated.Depends on what you're interested in studying but typically if it involves aristocrats you're going to need French as well as Russian if you're interested in primary sources >I haven't seen many people learning Turkish to know more about the Ottoman EmpireThe bulk of research on the Ottoman Empire is going to be in Turkish, it's inescapable that if you're a student who wishes to study the Ottoman Empire you're going to need to know TurkishAnyway the language used in Ottoman Empire documents is not Turkish but Ottoman Turkish which is a very different language>It's like learning Spanish because there are many resources in it on Quechua though.Yeah if you're studying indigenous South Americans you're going to need to know Spanish, what is your problem with this fact?
>>204468108>What went wrong?The Russian classics is mandatory in Russian schools so it induces only hate in the vast majority of native Russians. What other writers do you think are worldwide important, anyway?>but typically if it involves aristocratsFor example? I did look some info about it long ago and it seems everything both cultural and official had always been written in Russian. The correspondence was basically like my shitposting here. >what is your problem with this factMaybe you better study their own language instead? I mean, shouldn't they tell you more about themselves than anyone else?
>>204463327>You have to have fun while doing itI have fun with French because I can just enjoy content without focusing much on the language itself. But with German I still have to grind, and I have to force myself because grinding isn't really fun. I consider it more work than enjoyment at this stage.
Page: 9>>204467164Bump btw
>>204467755Slavaboos are more just Russaboos that also like mythical and real East Slavic themes. Sometimes some West Slavic, but never South Slavic (unless its OCS). Then again these groups are fringe (the language learners that is).
>>204467304Not really unless you desperately want to live there for some reason. The only other major motivator is weebshit and weebs trying to learn Japanese get filtered at an astonishing rate. At this point I wish I put that time I spent on it into a more worldly language instead.
>>204467164In my university I’ve made some good friends who speak both English and Russian natively (Although I can’t judge the fluency of their inherited Russian). What’s more, in my job there are many Baltic and Ukrainian workers who can only communicate with each other through Russian. All this combined with the literature made me rethink not learning it, which I would do had I not already invested so much into German
>>204471130>mythical and real East Slavic themesFor example?>never South SlavicWhy? In Russia, many people like the Yugoslavia thing.>these groups are fringeWhy?
>>204471304>combined with the literatureWhat writers and pieces specifically?
>>204471328I’m not a Dostoevsky or Tolstoy troon. But I’d love to read Pushkin or Nabokov in Russian.
>>204471397>Nabokov in RussianWhy? I liked Nabokov in English and it was the original language of most of his books.
>>204471444I’m pretty sure he wrote his early novels exclusively in Russian, and he claimed that his prose was even better then than his later English, which would be fun to see. Although I’m not going to do it. The time commitment for learning to read Russian literature seems much heavier than that of French or German
98% of people still think>Wherefore art thou Romeo?means>Where are you, Romeo?You still hear people using the word "wherefore" and referencing that specific line with that interpretation even in professionally-made, high-budget movies; the last one I remember was in one called "Baby Driver"That's one of the most famous and most referenced lines in Shakespeare and that's all you need to know to realize that the English is different from our modern English to such a degree that people don't understand it
>>204471748Truke. Yes every English child reads Shakespeare, but with heavily annotated editions. Milton and the kjv are easier texts from around then though
>>204463761Not a single Zoomer has answered to the challenge of finding a single difficult thing in Shakespeare!
>>204472424Zoomies gon' zoomie zoom, kno wa' am sayin dawwg?
>>204472168>Truke. Yes every English child reads Shakespeare, but with heavily annotated editions. Milton and the kjv are easier texts from around then thoughWhat's wrong with annotations? Every book worth reading should have annotations including kjv
>>204471748>98% of people still think>>Wherefore art thou Romeo?>means>>Where are you, Romeo?In context it's perfectly clear what it means:>O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?>Deny thy father and refuse thy name;>Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,>And I’ll no longer be a Capulet.It only sounds weird when you pretend "Wherefore art though Romeo" isn't completely bookended by a whole story and tons of context clarifying why she's asking the question.
>>204473696>>Wherefore art thou Romeo?Wofür bist du Romeo?
>>204471310>For example?Think of the old Slavic music comps on Youtube or Bceвoлoд Ивaнoв paintings.>in Russia, many people like the Yugoslavia thing.Too brown/unnorthern and ignorance of how similar the Slavs are amongst the South, West, and East types.>these groups are fringeMore fringe in the language learning world. Not so much in historyboos themselves who only like architecture and fashion pics and not cultural linguistic learning and apprehension.
I have been learning hiragana and have a decent grasp on most of its symbols. Now I gotta move on to katakana and maybe I'll be able to start learning some vocab. I'm trying and failing to find a good balance between the kanas, grammar, syntax and vocabulary, I get the feeling I'm not doing it right.
>>204473696But when we learn it in English, with no translation into other language, people don't understand that.It's very common for us to think she's saying, as she stands in the window looking out:>Oh, Romeo! Where are you? (I need you!)>Deny your father and come be with me! (or whatever teenage shit)"Wherefore art thou" is used throughout American media to mean "where are you?"here is the example from the movie "Baby Driver" I was talking about, at about 2:10 in this video:https://youtu.be/FyhbyG0JANU?t=108The titular character "Baby" and his love interest are being chased by someone who is trying to kill them, and they manage to give him the slip (escape from him, lose him)He begins searching for them and says,>Come on out, now, Baby!>Romeo, Romeo... wherefore art thou, Romeo?there is no understanding in our culture that "wherefore" means "why"
Here are some good places to browse for Spanish inpoot. You want a wide range of materials to read, right?https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portadahttps://es.wikivoyage.org/wiki/https://es.wikinews.org/wiki/Portadahttp://www.cuentoscortos.com/https://www.textos.info/https://www.gutenberg.org/browse/languages/eshttps://www.gob.mx/https://www.usa.gov/es/https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/Paginas/index.aspxhttps://www.exteriores.gob.es/es/Paginas/index.aspxhttps://www.bancosantander.es/particulareshttps://www.mercadolibre.com.mx/#from=homecomhttps://www.recetasgratis.net/https://www.amazon.es/https://forocoches.com/https://www.tripadvisor.es/https://www.metromadrid.es/eshttps://www.tiempo.com/https://www.fotocasa.es/es/https://www.kiwilimon.com/https://www.reddit.com/r/mexico/https://www.reddit.com/r/Colombia/https://www.reddit.com/r/Espana/https://es.indeed.com/
>>204475082it's not just you, that's how everyone feels about (written) Japanese when they start learning it. It's a unique language. It took me a long time to get used to the fact that there are no spaces between words so you have to decipher vocabulary and grammar structures by yourself instantly as you read. It gets easier with practice so you have to be patient and read A LOT. For now just practice with easier materials , be it graded readers, easy manga with furigana such as Yotsuba, or even by reading Jap tweets. Install a pop-up dictionary on your browser such as Yomichan if you haven't already, that thing is essential (Japanese has the best learning community because it mostly consists of computer nerdy weebs who made a tool for every challenge you encounter in your learning journey, plus a plethora of pirated media). Also, consider getting into Visual Novels. Voiced lines written clearly on the screen will help you immensely, they're considered the absolute best media for Japanese learners and many people got reading fluency by gooning them obssesively.In the end I'll leave this for you: https://learnjapanese.moe/what you're feeling is normal. Just hang in there and keep practicing. It gets easier.
>>204475532Well if you're trying to surmise Shakespeare out of "Baby Driver" I don't know what to tell you. A screenwriter desperate to find a joke for his script is not even faking to represent an accurate or even the widely understood reading of Shakespeare.>Oh, Romeo! Where are you? (I need you!)>Deny your father and come be with me! (or whatever teenage shit)"Deny your father" would be a not-particularly-precise but also not-wrong way to understand the phrase, since denying your father can mean denying your bloodline which is your relation with your family. But it's much better understood the precise meaning as soon as you read the next sentence saying that if Romeo can't or won't do that they she would wish to no longer be a Capulet.
>>204475642So far I'm limited to not mouthing the hiragana, I still only know a few words I've caught from watching anime over the years. It is fun to be able to write down in Japanese words and titles I've been hearing for ages, but for all purposes I'm still a toddler learning to spell. It's been fun so far, so I'm hoping that with patience and constancy I'll be able to read better and better. Thanks for the resources, I didn't know of the dictionary. I've never read VN so I might get into them. So far it's been cool to learn how to pronounce the hiragana I see in pixiv. Thank you very much for the encouragent!
99% of english's spelling problems could be fixed with extra vowel letters.
I HATE ANKI
>>204476146I'm not talking about what the correct meaning of Shakespeare is, I'm talking about how the average stupid american understands shakespearean english, which is badlyYou are undoubtedly very smart and good at English for being able to figure it outYou're undoubtedly smarter than me in every way and everyone should bow down to youbut even in the wiktionary for "wherefore" it feels the need to include this note:https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wherefore>A common misconception is that wherefore means where; it is occasionally so used in retellings of William Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet—often for comedic effect. In Romeo and Juliet, the meaning of “Wherefore art thou Romeo?” (Act II, scene ii, line 33) is not “Where are you, Romeo?” but “Why are you Romeo?” (“Why do you have to be a Montague?”, that is, a member of the family which was feuding with Juliet’s family).no one would include that if it were easily understood by everyone who spoke englishI, as an american who went through the american public school system, understand american retardation very well
>Thou marshall'st me the way that I was going;>And such an instrument I was to use.>Mine eyes are made the fools o' the other senses,>Or else worth all the rest; I see thee still,>And on thy blade and dudgeon gouts of blood,>Which was not so before. There's no such thing:>It is the bloody business which informs>Thus to mine eyes. Now o'er the one half world>Nature seems dead, and wicked dreams abuse>The curtain'd sleep; witchcraft celebrates>Pale Hecate's offerings, and wither'd murder,>Alarum'd by his sentinel, the wolf,>Whose howl's his watch, thus with his stealthy pace.>With Tarquin's ravishing strides, towards his design>Moves like a ghost. Thou sure and firm-set earth,>Hear not my steps, which way they walk, for fear>Thy very stones prate of my whereabout,>And take the present horror from the time,>Which now suits with it. Whiles I threat, he lives:>Words to the heat of deeds too cold breath gives.It's beautiful, but to an uneducated person it's basically nonsenseHe would not understand who Tarquin or Hecate areHe does not know what a dudgeon is, does not understand what "one half world" refers to"wither'd murder, alarum'd by his sentinel, the wolf, whose howl's his watch, thus with his stealthy pace." this is basically gibberish for an average joe"Whiles I threat, he lives: words to the heat of deeds too cold breath gives." this is not the way a modern person talksit makes everyone feel smart to say, "I understand this easily," but it's not something a child can jump straight into from Harry Potter and understand intuitively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yalRLvkn_Ig
>>204467519right after i get my french b2 cert im learning italianin fatto, gia sto apprendendo
Can someone help me line up the languages that I'd learn? Sticking to a language for over a month and doing something every little day made me develop the confidence that I can make language learning a full time hobby:Sorry for Reddit spacing, just to make it easier to read, so, I have lined up these options:Option 1:>German (currently learning)>French>SpanishOption 2:>German>French>ChineseOption 3:>German>French>Spanish>ChineseOption 4:>German>French>RussianOption 5:>German>French>Russian>SpanishOption 6 (is it possible):>German>French>Russian>Spanish>Chinese
>>204480376Option 7:>Every language in existence>Bonus: Improve English accent and Standard ArabicGood luck future polyglot!
>>204480376only realistic option: learn german and only germanif you start learning 50 languages right now you won't progress in any of them
>>204480376Join me on my Icelandic dabbling journey
>>204480376Why would you learn so many languages just to find out that the majority of people aren't worth talking too?
>>204481245this. I wish I could unlearn english
>>204481576same
>>204480982yeah im thinking of sticking to German and branching to a new hobby and just maintain my German and Englishor German, French, and EnglishI don't know, I am changing my mind every 5 secs, but don't worry, I am not dropping German.
>>204481245I might actually just learn German and not learn French. I might move on to coding, and just maintain my German to an elite level and call it a day.
Ok, I'll be honest, I spend $40 on French, that I couldn't refund, that's why I feel bad and don't want to throw those $40 away.Other than that, I only dig German.
>>204481952spent*
>>204481576>>204481774kek, get dabbed on.>>204481917>just move on to codingThat's probably for the best, what coding language are you going to learn?
>>204482160>>204482160I don't know. I just want some non-meme hobby to work on. Learning German is useful and based, you never know when I will need it. However, learning 1-3 more languages just for the sake of it seems extremely retarded.I am thinking of hunting for one more hobby or activity that I can throw 1.5-2 hours at everyday and forget it until I someday end up pretty advanced in it and be able to get a job or something from it.I don't want to be the slave of my university degree. I want to be able to branch and do side hustles, if you get what I mean.
ya all of That says ijijliterally there is so much to language ijij
>hey chatgpt could you correct this language writing >sure boss send it over>here you go>nah it says kill once can't do it>ok how about if it said kiss instead >what are you some kind of fucking retard kiss doesn't make sense you must mean kill>here is the corrected version with kill
I am creating my own language.
>tfw I've watched hours of german talk show clips on youtube
>>204482970>MGW ich stundenlang deutsche Talkshows auf youtube gesehen habe.
>>2044803761. English,2. Lingo of rich and / or important european country of job opportunities: French, German, Dutch, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, maybe even Italian, but the weakest in this bracket,3. Some universal international language: Mandarin, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, French,4. Hobby lingo: something fun like Italian, Finnish, Serbo-Croatian, Latin, Portuguese, Japanese, Yiddish, Czech, Tamazight
to the Greek anon who learned Spanish to certified C1 level, could you please give a rough summary on how you did it? Was there any particular skill you focused on such as reading? What kind of materials did you engage with? Anything would help. Ignore flag, I'm a student here and leaving in two years but I would like to achieve C1 level by the time I leave or B2 at the very least. Please tell me what was your experience.
>>204483460A1: Memorized about 500 words and gooned verb conjugations. A2: Watched dumbed down content like destinos and extr@ with Spanish subs. Dicked around with clozemaster and anki.B1: Started watching dubbed cartoons/anime and reading graded readers. Started playing video games in Spanish.B2: Started watching native content, mainly documentaries and a few TV Series. Read a lot of wikipedia and a few news articles. Passively rewatched a lot of content while slacking off on the web, which seems to have worked, as listening is my strongest skill. Started outputting short comments in Spanish.C1: Started watching Spanish youtubers, listening to podcasts and read a handful of books. C1-EXAM preparation: Took about 14 DELE mock tests and refined my grammar a little bit. Wrote about 10 sample essays. That's more or less what I did. Took me roughly 3 years.
>>204482518>me rnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxw8xg1lpp4
>>204484569>destinosYou have no idea how many memes came out of that production for me.
>>204484693¿su hermano?
>>204484569>B2: Started watching native content, mainly documentaries and a few TV Series. Read a lot of wikipedia and a few news articles. Passively rewatched a lot of content while slacking off on the web, which seems to have worked, as listening is my strongest skill. Started outputting short comments in Spanish.>C1: Started watching Spanish youtubers, listening to podcasts and read a handful of books.holy shit i can already watch french youtubers and streamers and understand them clearly, maybe i could get my b2 cert in the near futurealso how did you practice pronunciation? i know spanish pronunciation is basically the same as greek but you must have done something else right?
>>204484730MI MATRINONIO... FUE UN FRICASO!!!
I've been listening to "learn while you sleep" Chinese videos for the last 3 years and I still can't speak it. Damn, Chinese is hard
>>204484765>MATRINONIOMATRIMONIO*
>>204484765>FRICASOlmao
>>204484818Sorry, Friggcaso! :^)
>>204484743>also how did you practice pronunciation?I gradually started noticing the differences between Spanish and Greek, which was something very intuitive.>>204484765Memes aside, it was solid for beginners. Can't imagine dropping $500 (or whatever it cost) on VHS tapes back in 1992 though.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-09-04-ca-6548-story.htmlScratch that. I actually can imagine. My parents were scammed into buying English VHS tapes that I couldn't even follow past tape 1 when I was 7 years old. lol
>>204484954Spainsh was never really a language I was interested in, I wanted to learn German but my Mom forced me to learn Spanish and I've never forgiven her for it. I roundly think the majority of people who only speak Spanish aren't worth talking too, and the ones that are worth talking to already know English.
>>204395580Is English ever pro-drop? I sometimes omit the subject, but that might be because I speak German
>>204485101Give an example.
>>204448876>Can I rise*raise (you don't rise something, you raise it)I think two langs are fine, anything more is spreading it too thin.What you could do is the technique where both parents speak to the child only in their own native language. That way, the child has an incentive to grasp both since each parent uses a different one, and you also reduce the risk of passing a foreign accent to the kid.Still, what you have to expect is whatever the language will be at school, that's gonna be the kid's main language, both from making friends and from getting an education. Especially if there's no community or something where the other language could be used, ideally without being able to rely on the main one.Let's say the parents know Spanish and something completely unrelated, like Japanese. If the kid lives in Spain, 99% of friends will be speaking Spanish, dad will be speaking Spanish, and the only person to talk to in Japanese is mom (who probably also understands Spanish if they're living in Spain) — in this situation, what motivation is there to actually maintain skills in Japanese? And where will the kid get new vocab etc. from with no education in Japanese?Maybe you can opt for some Japanese weekend school or teaching at home, but that can also build a sort of resentment (because the friends don't have to do anything like this and it takes a lot of effort for the kid too), especially if there is no real use for the language for the kid. That's really the crux of the issue. What you want is basically irrelevant — it's the kid who has to want to speak the language and there's no way to force that.At least it's a bit easier these days than it used to be thanks to the internet, especially if there's lots of media available in the language.
>>204484569this is exactly what I wanted, thank you so much. I did the exact same thing for A1 and A2 and currently watching dubbed anime and reading manga translated into Spanish alongside graded readers considerably smoothly. I guess I'm doing ok. The only difference is that I'm forced to output very early since I currently live here, but I'm trying to change my mentality towards early output and think of it as a good thing, even though I really have no other choice in my case.
>>204485153Just talking simply, like a retard and just slowly keep adding things until things start clicking I guess. I generally just learn the words, forget them, start with basic grammar books, buy a new basic grammar book and I just keep on doing that till I fly through basic grammer, then I buy teh second book of each of the series.
>>204485069Yeah, I get that. My parents never forced me to do anything, which was both a blessing and a curse. lol>>204485153As long as you are getting feedback from native speakers, there's nothing wrong with early output, so don't worry about it.
>>204485069omega basedi wish i could unlearn spanish
>>204485325same
>>204485101Yes, but only in informal styles. Just don't feel like including the pronoun sometimes. Know what I mean?
>>204485559>>204485559>>204485559
>>204477987i'm a zoomer (20), and was raised with this stuff all around me and forced to memorise it when i was growing up, and can say that now i am an adult it is incredible and worth all the praise it gets, but the sad truth is no-one is taught how to appreciate shakespeare anymore, or even poetry in general. it is a great shame, and the death of culture.
