why is this allowed...?
What the fuck, I thought it was bad here, I'm so shelteredEuropa, I kneel
>allowedNo one will do what's necessary to stop it
>>204410685Why you think so? There havent been anything about housing crisis and even in capital area theres thousands of empty unsold and unrentable units because they built too much.
Because boomers (and Gen Xers now too I guess) are relying on constant, eternal gains in the value of housing to fund their retirement.Also the solution to both the Great Recession and COVID was to print money to give to banks to "invest" in assets, most of which then got poured into the housing market.
>>204410589How has Orban not been voted out with 171% rice in house prices since 2015?
>>204410848>even in capital area theres thousands of empty unsold and unrentable units because they built too muchthats the beauty of itits literally the same here, but they still explode in price
>>2044106855% over 10 years is not bad. It's ok for housing prices to increase along with inflation and salaries.
>>204410589>breeding>immigration>dumb fuckers who all want to live downtown in the same major city that was once designed to hold 1/4 its current population
>>204410589Same here if not even worse.The world has died in 2013.
>>204411008It’s not breeding or immigration, population did not increase 48% in Europe, rather it is losing people because of shit birthdates.It’s all the loaning industry increasing the value of housing because dumbfuck buyers could increase their credit by having very low interest rates.
Ah yes, just a normal day in our modern dystopia hellscape
>>204410685it went from tolerable to brutal here in a single year during the covid crisis. Last chance was 2020. I pity the zoomers who're just starting up.
>>204410920>populists>ever leaving power
>>204410589I invested in Estonian housing. Your welcome eesti bros
>>204410920Because this is not a critically important issue for most people here
>latvia going up 90% while speedrunning population collapse Really in your face isn’t it
>>204410589>what happens when there is more and more demand for something in limited quantityIt's not "allowed", it's necessary.
>>204410589CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
>>204411579Cities like riga are growing, countryside is just getting empty
>>204411624>something in limited quantityOnly limited because boomers want to keep their house prices high.
>>204410589Boomers + giving those houses to refugees for free since the gov pays for them.
>>204411676In case you didn't notice, the land is limited, more population means each square meter increases in value.
> inflation is, erm, bad actually!room temperature iq niggas
>>204410974a lot of the empty apartments in Sofia are not on the market. Some of them were inherited by like 7 people who don't know each other and can't sell. Some of them are owned by rich fucks who don't care about selling and they know they'll just go up in value anyway so there's no pressure to do so.
>>204410815Sweden already has Soviet style waiting lists for housing
>>204411858So the government should start confiscating golf courses and building houses on them.
>>204411915Its for social housing that is pretty great if you just want to wait 20 years of cheap place from stockholm
>>204411927Ok, and when that's done, where do we build the next housings ?
>>204411008most cities have a defined and protected downtown area or some well developed suburbs where all want to live. but no new housing is buildt there due to its nature so everyone is bidding over each other for the few housings thats available. this dictates the housing prices elsewhere in the city as well.population increase is real and an issue, more people=a neeed for more houses, its undeniable math. a hundred years ago 1/5 of my country left for usa for that very reason.meanwhile rural houses are rotting away or given away for free... dude just get one of thoose, you gonna end up commuting for an hour anyway why not doing it on an open rural highway instead of stuck at red lights? saves you 400k in housing and your job pays for the car anyway...
>>204411858but theres plenty of land in europe that isnt being usedits just that people want to live as close to the center of cities a possiblei hate to say it since i like muh walkable cities, but if they want to reduce housing prices then they'll need to mimick the US and start living further from their jobs and out on the countryside, which means embracing automotive culturetheir current ways arent sustainable with the policies their governments are trying to pushthe only other way is a complete reformation of their governments and a switch to isolationism to reduce their population size to a smaller nation of people more specialized in certain crafts and trades
>>204412098>but theres plenty of land in europe that isnt being usedOk, and when it will be used, where do we build ?
>>204412067thisrural houses in europe are very attractive in my opinion due to the prices and environment, but only because im fairly open to diy and being crafty while most people dont want to give up convenience
>>204412098right but also wrong. you need to move jobs out of the cities.
>>204412150then you purge your urban population with disease, simple as
>>204412013We'll cross that bridge when we get there, until then, lack of land is not an excuse for high house prices. With the 1,872 golf courses in the UK with an average size of 0.4 km2, and an housing density of 182 houses per km2, building houses on all UK golf courses would provide 151,557 houses, or possibly more than 500,000 apartments, housing more than 2,000,000 people with on average 4 people per residence.
>>204412098Closer to half of europeans already live in car centric suburban sprawl, while in america its closer to 100%. Its not like europe havent try that already to fix housing crisis after ww2.
>>204412206i know, theres the same dilemna here in the US for people who want to move out to the countrysidebut its getting easier with time, and people are more willing to drive further for their jobsits not a perfect solution, but if you literally cannot survive in the city as a normal person should, what choices have humans across history always made? we always flee to a more suitable place to live, thats how it is
>>204411858>>204411624Explain our rise in price or Sweden.
>>204412318i think you will see a great hike in cost and demand for production in usa with the proposed tarrifs. now i dont personally believe in them but the only way for you to produce everything yourself is to do it rural, at lower rent, lower wages etc... you cant just make iphones in silicon walley and expect it to be cheap. but sneedville maybe?
>>204412212>your urban populationThat's the entire population in your system.>>204412238>We'll cross that bridge when we get thereWe are there, people want to live in decent conditions, that includes the possibility of going outside to find something else than an endless city.More and more municipalities are no longer issuing building permits for this reason; they want to keep some greenery and more important their agricultural land.
>>204412504>That's the entire population in your systemworked for europe in the 1350s, it'll work againin my opinion, its the same issue eating europe currently that lead to europe being as bad as it was right before the black death
>land is limited guys this is why housing is expensive>we’re lacking so much land right now it’s crazyKys
>>204412504>More and more municipalities are no longer issuing building permits for this reason; they want to keep some greenery and more important their agricultural land.Ok, but it's not fair that rich people get exceptions to those laws and destroy thousands of kilometres of natural forests and grasslands so they can build their thousands of uniform closely cut grass and sand bunkers "sports" arenas.
>>204412648>can't understand a simple mathematical model
>>204412775>yeah bruh we lost all that land to motherfucking trees, you feel me? they just came up suddenly and took over the land, it’s so over guys we can never build houses ever again We. Do. Not. Lack. Land.
>>204412707Fair point, but here we are.
>>204412887>We. Do. Not. Lack. Land.Land. Is. Limited.
>>204413017It’s not that limited you dumb shit, there was tons of abandoned farm land that trees just grew over for 70 years, you stupid fuck
>>204413057>dumb shit>stupid fuckIt's always a pleasure to discuus with a teenager. Here is a math problem for you :. X in limited quantity. increasing demand for XWould the pice of X go up or down ?
>>204413660Shitty troll, it’s self evident we do not lack land, in fact we have so much available land that trees just grew over it in complete serenity, take the train and watch trough the window, you will mostly see fields and forests, maybe some land is more limited than other land? Or maybe the only thing limited here is your mental capacity?
>>204413891>here is your cheap housing>n-noooo thats not what i wanted i wanted to live in the hustle&bustle of paris like the other cool guys...
>>204414674Why are you responding to me? Pic is perfectly fine btw, it’s the other guy claiming we lack land
>>204414805>we dont lack landyou lack the land zoomers want.
>>204414886That’s a meme though, most zoomers will fall in line once their gf gets pregnant
>>204410589You want affordable housing? What are you a commie?
>>204415065based milei
>>204410685I can tell you this is bs unless you consider dying villages in the middle of nowhere. Every city is becoming really expensive, in Milan prices jumped 40% and you basically cant rent in the city under 1k (flipping burgers nets you 1300-1500) if you dont want to share a bedroom at 30 y/o for 800
>>204410685prices here have already been high. other countries are just trying to reach our level.
>economy is basically 4 cities>green zone established right between them>can't build infrastructure there>can't build housing there>carbon limits for builders (?????)reminder that this prime real estate (picrel) is literally some just flat polder. No nature, nothing. I hate climate commies
>>204411885i dont give a fuck about Shitfia, i live in a city thats barely in top10 by population and lost like 20k people in the last year who all moved to either Varna or Sofia, but theres still new buildings being build all the time, and you cant buy even some old gommieblock 2 room panelka for less thank 80-90k 15 years old the same was 35k euros btw(with a garage)
>>204416051inflation has fucked everyone I'm afraid. I'm renting for relatively cheap in a small town and saving up to buy something but there's NO way to buy without a mortgage at this point
>>204414674>europeans can just buy these houses for practically nothing but nooo muh minimalist walkable apartment podYou CANNOT suffer in europe.
>>204416494are you fucking kidding me my man, your houses are 2x cheaper (outside of a few extreme cases like SF, LA, NYC etc.) and your salaries are 2x higher
>>204410589Hungarybros WTF happened?
>>204416534stone houses like that in europe cost <150k in burgers which is nothing, meanwhile the average house here costs like twice that, and 400k to actually be big enough to live in
>>204415635Why is rent so expensive in Finland compared to the other Nordic countries?
>>204410589>114.8%
>>204416715with your suicide rate I'd expect housing to come down in pricesorry, intrusive thoughts slipping out
>>204416741Not enough suicides
>>204416706it's because of the mentality where everyone must "own" their apartment/house which have driven prices high. idiots are willing to pay pretty much anything because they believe they can sell their property with profit later. i put "own" in quotes because in many cases mortgages are too high for their income. it wasn't much a problem before when the interest rates were zero-ish. but now things are different.
>>204416706my god this map terrifies me. I can't imagine paying over 30% of my income in rent, that's like constantly treading water
>>204417018forgot to mention that many people have taken huge loans to buy an apartment for "investment purposes". they have though they will pay the loan and earn some extra money by renting the apartment. in many cases it has been succesful when the interest rates were zero-ish. now they are screwed.
>>204416490even the move-to-village-pill is getting hard nowadays, managed to buy a countryside house literally a year before covid for peanuts in a nice village right on the Danube river, but its not near a big city so it was very cheap.now, my neighbors want 80k leva for theirs, and thats a bumfuck region houses in villages near big cities now cost the same as a flat in the city, its retarded
>>204417275Total realtor death
>>204410815you mean capital controls?
>>204413660>. increasing demand for Xbut you know this increase is not natural or justifiable for the most part
>>204417999shit is obviously a huge fucking bubble and im not even a /pol/tier schizo about conspiracies, but the "you will own" nothing meme starts to sound more and more real with each generations nowadays
>>204416715With your birthrate is kinda strange, all Sashas and mikolaïs ?
>>204410589it's LITERALLY free GDP
>>204410589Boomers
>>204414674This is 500k in franceshit. And youd still live in an overpopulated hellscape devoid of nature>>204416494>europeans can just buy these houses for practically nothingReal estate prices here are almosttwice yours and we make 1500 on average.You cannot suffer in america
>>204416660>stone houses like that in europe cost <150k in burgers which is nothingKek no these cost 300k bare minimum and youd still have to renovate itMeanxhile americans get huge lansions for 150k which is one year of workig for your guys.Meanwhile here noone can afford a house even on 2 average incomesfr*nce is an overpriced shithole
>>204417018if you dont want to own you would still have to rent from someone who owns and your rent must cover their expences.>>204422059i paid 50k for my house with a garage. bit small property, i want to double it that would cost me 10k ish.
>>204422963It must be in the sticks, it isn't taht low even in France
>>204422963Scandis cant suffer. Even ruins go for 180/200k here. My grandparents in corsica showed me prices there and even a flat in a village is 450k
>>204422998its 1,5h drive from any city, 15 min drive from the nearest store and basicly just 6 farms along the road that eventually parted out some land for their family to buildt a house there and i snagged up one of them.
>>204423077it depends a lot on the region, prices vary massivelya good house in my village here is around 500.000€. but if i move 60km over into what used to be east germany, the same house will be maybe 300.000€if i move 60km the other direction towards Frankfurt, the same house again is close to one million
>>204410589based italy
because capitalism, and real estate is an investment nowyou will own nothing blablabla
It's over.We lost.I'm going to brazil.
dumbasses literally think more people = less land = high rent it's insurance companies, pension funds, private equity firm etc. my city is plastered all over with new apartments and yet the housing crisis persists. they are all unaffordable and built with the cheapest materials and foreign workers to increase the profit margin. doesn't help every city council is full of climate hippies who would rather protect a mouse species home over building affordable housing
