DJT is a language learning thread for those studying the Japanese language.Japanese speakers learning English are welcome, too.Read the guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:https://web.archive.org/web/20220326112058/https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.htmlArchive of older threads: https://desuarchive.org/int/search/subject/Daily%20Japanese%20Thread/Translation requests, insults, politics, reddit posts, lust, learning method / eceleb discussions: >>>/jp/djtPrevious Thread: >>204383695
>DeadJT乙
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7lk4uyeXU
>>204425290https://youtu.be/kERPPPIZOyk?si=wuM0908W1i292ZWp&t=517> 2009 january> he already knew itwhat a brilliant person
あーあもうめちゃくちゃだよ
破茶滅茶滅茶苦茶しっちゃかめっちゃか(゜∀。)ﾜﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬ
日本には最近本当にインド人が多いですか
https://taximanli.github.io/kotobade-asobou/wordle but epic
>>204425290Is the core 2k/6k anki deck basically just wanikani?
Can anyone recommend good ways to practice speaking Japanese with others and getting practice in? I have considered iTalki.
お昼休憩、在宅勤務いいっすね
>>204431811Core 2k/6k from what I understand is a frequency deck based on newspapers but I could be wrongFrom what I understand wanikani is a method for learning Kanji but core 2k/6k is about vocabularly
>>204433253>From what I understand wanikani is a method for learning Kanji but core 2k/6k is about vocabularlyIf that IS the case, then I am glad I went with core 2k/6k. I just wanna learn many many word so can gook talk wiht jap jap.
お金のあまりない夫婦Could someone help explain this sentence?Is itMoney of those couples which don't have much of itI'm confused by の
>>204434157a couple who don't have much money
please advice.what is the meaning of this symbol?
>>204434381Yeah I know what it means I just don't get why it means what it means
>>204434157の = がWhen attributive (adjectival) clause is modifying noun,(お金があまり無い) 夫婦 Then both が and の are subject markers, they are interchangeable>>204434443It is post office symbol, it has no linguistic value
>>204434580Awesome I had no idea, thanks
shit fuck
What language was Edo period literature written in?Is it safe to say that all pre-Meiji literature was in a form more similar to Classical Japanese than modern Japanese?
>>204436121江戸初期100年江戸中期100年江戸後期100年全部を語るには長すぎる
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gNeFxLVSrA
>>204436184Well i'm interested in Chikamatsu's plays and Kanadehon Chūshingura
>>204436828it's all on a continuum that's hard to break into clean partsopening of 冥途の飛脚:みをづくし 難波に咲くや この花の、里は三筋に 町の名も、佐渡と越後の 合の手を通ふ千鳥の 淡路町、亀屋の世継 忠兵衛it's written in a poetic meter where you need to be cognizant of the 5-7 rhythm used in 和歌the grammar is not particularly classical at first glance but also different from the modernlarger problem is proper nouns and vocabulary, which is different between different periods and needs to be specially looked up and understood in many casesin dialogue sections you see things like:「誰そ頼もふ忠兵衛宿にゐやるか」と「ヤアこれは/＼甚内さま、忠兵衛は留守なればお下し物の御用ならば、私に仰せ聞けられませ、お茶持ておじや」とclassical helps understand much of the grammar but also not allthings like 持ておじや are casual expressions from the period you will have trouble finding in dictionaries and have to absorb through translation or some other meansand also readings of parts indicating they were written in 候文 like:『来月二日出の三度に金子三百両差上せ申すべく候ふ、九日十日両日の中その地亀屋忠兵衛方より、右三百両受取り、内々申し置き候ふ事ども埒明け申さるべく候ふ、則ち飛脚の受取証文この度上せ候ふ間、金子受取り次第この証文忠兵衛に渡し申さるべく候』which is another kind of advanced knowledgeopening of 心中天網島 again in poetic meter:女郎が情の 底深き、これかや恋の 大海を、かへもほされぬ 蜆川、思ひ/＼の 思ひ歌。This grammar is more clearly classical than other playdialogue is again more period-likeアヽコレ伊丹々々といふて下さんすな。それで痛み入るわいな。you can't just start with Edo for any of this, there is no such
>>204437366Alright thanks for the reality check>things like 持ておじや are casual expressions from the period you will have trouble finding in dictionaries and have to absorb through translation or some other meansAre there annotated editions available? Or do most people use modernised texts?
>>204439148I just mean that finding the information will be more difficult than copy pasting into a dictionary持ておじや here is 持っておじゃ which is 持っておいで but it uses an old orthography that disguises itif you google "おじや" you're only going to find things about a rice soup おじや 雑炊 and be lostfirst you have to understand the historical orthography, then you can find things about おぢやる, おいである, likehttps://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/%E3%81%8A%E3%81%98%E3%82%83%E3%82%8B/which is where it comes frombut if you're having trouble even starting to do something like this, can't get your knife to catch and start cutting at all, you might have to start by looking for 現代語訳 of the text you're looking at and see how other people translate the 原文 into modern japanesefor example, this guy has a blog where he posts translations of a lot of old texts, and he is bretty good (I have used him to help check my interpretations of 万葉集 poems in the past many times)https://sanukiya.exblog.jp/25723215/there, you can find that he translates the line as>お茶をお持ちしなさい。which could help you draw the link between おじや/おじゃ and おいで or some other kind of honorific request verbbut in all cases it requires prior knowledgeyou can't go in completely bind
oof, 私は cringe
These are the end times でございます
Is this supposed to mean something like "Let's listen to this song, shall we?"I don't quite grasp the meaning of でも here.
>>204442985>Let's listen to this song, shall we?Let's listen to *some music, shall we?>I don't quite grasp the meaning of でも here.xxでも is a common way to ask things and make suggestions, think of it like "some music", "something like music".https://jplang.tufs.ac.jp/tw/do/28/28-1A-17.html
>>204443499I see. Thanks!
過激思想
私は creepy & weird なので、人には中々好かれぬ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT-emswoeKs私も。
これは私の 運命だから
>>204434443When the postal system was established in Japan during the Meiji era (1868-1912), the ministry that operated it was "逓信省(ていしんしょう)". So>ていしん->て->テbecame the symbol of the postal service.The word 逓信 is rarely used today.
私が常に精神遅滞なのは嫌ね
寝れないわー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1T0Dpi0toseggs
>>204449315me too
how should i live...
乙>>204453105In abstinence
>爨What an ugly kanji
>>204453105>GuraPreferably with better taste.
>>204453105shojomanko wo toppa shite oku!
https://streamable.com/cswlhp
not yet
>>204455604Source of scene?
>ド٣
relax
SugoiArigatouGomenasaiSubaruI'm learning japanese, baby steps, the Emperor will give me my anime wife any day.
楽しそうにしてんなあこのクソハゲロリコン爺
>>204431811Absolutely not. There is some overlap in the overall vocabulary but wanikani has way more uncommon words overall.Wanikanis aim is to teach you 音読み and 訓読み of Kanji. It uses vocabulary to reinforce those readings.Core Decks want to teach you common vocabulary words. It's aim is for you to memorize vocabulary that you will encounter often faster.They're completely different goals.Let me tell you from experience that doing something like Wanikani will yield very little tangible progress on actually understanding Japanese for most people. That is not to say there is no benefit from Wanikani or generally a Heisig method. They can really make Kanji stick for you. The question is how beneficial that is to you early on.My take is that this is the wrong thing to focus on for most learners. There is a tangible risk to lose momentum within the first 2 years of learning due to not making enough progress with understanding actual Japanese, which will make most of their progress in something like Wanikani borderline useless.
彼奴らキャッツら
>>204463964CATS! Σ:3
>>204463964ヅラじゃない、キャッツらだ?
Did people historically create new words based on kanji reading mistakes?Like you have a kanji that has 2 different readings but over time people start using one reading in place of the other reading in certain words and suddenly people have invented a new word, maybe a verb or a noun
>>204464044Yeshttps://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/百姓読み
peasant reading?! ( ･ิω･ิ)
俺は華族だからそんなの分からんな
>>204464152華族のよう近親相姦に爛れたシスコンなんですね〜>>204464112I will make you my peasant :3
>>204464248yes ma'am (｀･ω･´)ゞ
ギクッ妹道を嗜んでいるのは何故バレた
わし読心術家なのじゃ>>204464318Now plant your seed in my bed (｢・ω・)｢ｶﾞｵｰ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYcPrsoNd28焼きそうな、君のMYSTIC EYES無邪気な、笑顔でBREAKING DOWN
お早うで御座る
The Razor Sword from Majora's Mask is in the same shape as the small knife radical 刂.
>>204464044新しい = あらたしい -> あたらしい(this is why 新た is read as あらた)秋葉原 = あきばはら -> あきはばら山茶花(picrel) = さんざか -> さざんか
>>204464044I found a list for such words.(https://kousei.clubhttps://kousei.club/校正泣かせ慣用読みと誤用の定着/)Form left to right, "Kanji", "how it should be read", and "how it is usually read". For many of these, no one (including even dictionaries) read it as it should be. I feel like for 1 依存, 7 惨敗, 10 貼付 and 11 重複, people use both readings. In other words a wrong reading has taken place of the correct one.1 依存 いそん いぞん2 堪能 かんのう たんのう3 寄贈 きそう きぞう4 矜持 きょうじ きんじ5 攪拌 こうはん かくはん6 攪乱 こうらん かくらん7 惨敗 さんぱい ざんぱい8 輸出 しゅしゅつ ゆしゅつ9 消耗 しょうこう しょうもう10 貼付 ちょうふ てんぷ11 重複 ちょうふく じゅうふく12 捏造 でつぞう ねつぞう13 貪欲 たんよく どんよく14 端緒 たんしょ たんちょ15 出納 しゅつのう すいとう16 情緒 じょうしょ じょうちょ17 憧憬 しょうけい どうけい18 漏洩 ろうせつ ろうえい(*picrel is a panel of a software company's ad.)
Butt trumpets を blowing何故だ 何故だ
>>204466922FWIW but contrary to this list and dictionaries' description, I have never heard 矜持(=pride) read as きんじ.>矜持はきょうじでしょ??
慣用音 is a phenomenon where the correct Chinese reading becomes corrupted by some means and this corrupted reading becomes entrenched as the correct reading by accustomationExtremely common example of 慣用音 is 立, りつ as in 起立, Which should properly be 立, りゅう as in 建立An easy way to uncover 慣用音 is through Chinese poetry, where the incorrect reading will break the rhyme scheme>軍氣橫大荒 戰酣日將入Military air spreads across the waste - battle reaches heated pitch as sun is soon to set>長風金鼓動 白霧鐵衣濕Long wind and golden drums both sound, as white dew and iron armor both grow moist>四起愁邊聲 南轅時佇立On all sides arise sad sounds of the frontier - turning carriage south, at times one comes to a stop>斷蓬孤自轉 寒雁飛相及Dying grasses solitary turn about, and late-year geese fly after one anotherWe see here that 湿, しつ and 立, りつ were originally meant to both rhyme with 入, にゅう and 及, きゅう
sorry me ESL me no good English
I can learn Japanese but I will never be charismatic
落ちこぼれの淵叢日本語学習
私は興奮している。
>>204470308あなたは興奮した。*保存*
しゅきぃ〜(ㆁωㆁ*)
おチンポだいしゅき
>>204472983
如人救頭燃 速疾求滅處 彼人亦如是 速詣於如來
>>204470935
私は disgusting human who needs to die にございます
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kn1nFRDCF8
hage
確かに humans を killing
俺もう駄目かも知んねえ
人が死ぬぞ確かに死ぬ
もっと早くしてくれませんか?
>>204484641中々酷いwww。
いやいや奴のじゃなくて、俺の
>>204484780あっ、そうですか?落ち込むね。
Any of you guys planning on taking the JLPT in December? What level? How long do you have to drive to get there? Are you confident about it?I plan to take N2. I think I'll at least be able to pass, but whether I get a good score or not I'm not sure. I'm lucky that I live in the Bay Area and they're conducting a JLPT test at SFSU. So, I hardly have to go anywhere. I think for lots of people if they want to take the test they're forced to go out of state.
>>204487027ok mike suzuki, good luck
>>204488516>mike suzukiDoes that mean if I pass this test I become honorary Japanese?
>>204488570>trade option 1: obtain woman, give up ramen, curry, anime, and philosophy>trade option 2: no woman, possess ramen, curry, anime, and philosophyman, this sure is a hard choicewhichever one will i pick
自分の顔を撃ち抜く
SSD死にかけてるかな買ったばかりなのによ
あーなるほどねWindowsという名のゴミがどうも勝手に俺のパソコンを漁ったりファイルを削除したり俺の権限を奪ったりしてたんだねいつもの事
>>204487027I'm planning to take N1 next month>Are you confident about itdunno. i've done fuck all to prepare. been busy playing mmorpg for the past month or so.でもなんとかなる
bumpsps
just wild beat communication雨に打たれながら
>>204496529色褪せない 熱い想い 身体中で伝えたいよ tonight (ㆁωㆁ*)
>>204487027>>204494449Good luck with your exams!
>>204487027I am taking N1.I dont feel i'm N1 level yet but passing conditions are laughably low (100/180) so i can probably pass.
ChatGPT is surprisingly helpfulI asked it to help me with '夜になってしまった' and it knew the answer
>>204493078なんでリア充のようにW10/11使うの? LinuxやW7でええやん
>>204498792Oh waitIs this just nonsense?
>>204498870Its like half correct here. どう means how, in what way and する is to do. した is past conjugation of する.Sometimes LLMs just hallucinate and make up stuff, you can see that sometimes when you ask them the same question again and the answer is different.
>>204498870>>204499089Actually, this answer is perfectly useful to know what "どうした" means, but not knowing that "どう" and "した/する" are separable (or memorizing that "どうした" is an inseparable set phrase by mistake) might lead to confusion later with phrases like "どうですか" or "そうするね".
>>204498611Thank you.>>204494449Unless you feel like you've really got it down, feels like a waste of money for the test and traveling expenses all to not prepare for it.>>204498749>passing conditions are laughably low (100/180)I've noticed this too. Is it true that you only need to get like half of them right to pass the N2?I'm hoping I can pass the N1 next year or maybe the year after that. Only goes on once a year here, so I got to wait an entire year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42W8bxW14sUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs1-CiqUj4
How about I fucking kill you motherfucker, old style
bloody chimpos
>>204498611thanks>>204499417it's not like i'm completely unprepared though. i tried the last year's test and i got around 120 out of 180.>traveling expensesit's 15 minutes walking from my home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrGqwl5Xh7Y
全ての日本人は僕の友だちだよ~! :)
>>204502931しくしく。私は恋人未満ね(๑´•.̫ • `๑)
Sorry to ask a beginner-level question, but how do you guys say 自宅からそこまで自転車で10分です in English?Just so you know, it means you need to cycle 10 minutes to get there from your home.>it's a 10-minute bike ride to get there from my home.is what came to mind first, but I'm not sure whether it's correct or not.
>>204504891>it's a 10-minute bike ride to get there from my home.This is completely fine to be honest. Its a little stuff though.If it were me, i'd just say:"its a ten minute bike-ride from where i live"
>>204504891I don't see anything wrong with your phrase, neither syntax nor vocabulary.>It's a 10-minute ride from my home to that place>That place is 10 minutes away from my home by bike(I say the latter a lot possibly owing to interference of スペイン語)
>>204505139>stuffStiff*
>>204505139>>204505153I see, thank you for your answers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxGeOnVfgP0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD2TZYY0TNY
>>204425290nice pic
AI gave me a hilarious answer when I looked up what an emoji stands for (pic related).
>>204504891I would say: From my house, it is 10-minutes by bike.
>>204509190(ﾉ∀`)ｱﾁｬｰ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQKsMyeO9-s
>>204510927今はカツサンドが外国人観光客に人気なのよ
>>204511622へーたまにめちゃうまいカツサンドあるよね個人的にマスタードが効いてるのが好き
もみぢばの ふりかくしてし 我宿に路もまどはず 冬はきにけり
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9ytKaZ6uo0
