My professor told us this is the country to look up to when it comes to engineering, not germany.Was he right?
in many ways yesaviationnuclear ai
In some fields for sure
>>204649782Absolutely not. This is germanphobic propaganda.
>>204649782french engineering is good but for some reason we have a reputation for mediocrity
>>204649826>>204649892He teaches stochastics, electronics and CS
>>204649962He's a germanophobe.
Plebs think France's main exports are wine cheese perfume and luxury handbags when the educated gentleman knows France's main exports are planes, military equipment, nuclear power and cheese
Yes.
>>204649932that's probably due to the "unique" french equipment during ww1 and ww2
>>204649782If there's something to say about them, is that they often think out of the box. Hits and misses.I would avoid them like a pest if they try to lower the cost of a product they cheap it out excessively.
>>204650144Italian cheese, wine and fashion are better.
>>204649782Their cars are absolute dogshit, but besides that, yeah. French engineering can definitely be a marval, it’s just that a lot of it isn't exactly front-of-mind with the public since it’s usually nuclear, aviation, what have you like this anon pointed out>>204649826
>>204650367>marvalLOOK AT HIM! LOOK AT HIM AND LOVE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>204650367>marvalLOOOOOOOOL
GUYS A MARVAL JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
>>204650367lol bro you can't write your own language
>>204650209such as?
HELLO I'M CAPTAIN MARVAL
>>204649932are Grande Écoles still prestigious there?not just rep but also on actual research/alumni output
>>204650485Nigga, I’m hungover and gulping down Gatorade because I decided to drink without eating pretty much all day. Give me a break
>>204650586i want to fuck the rabbit
>>204650586Marvalos postLOL!
>>204649782Wow what a slap in the face. Everyone knows British engineering is the best.
>>204649782YesFrance #1Germany is like #150 or something
>>204650605>i want to fuck the rabbitYeah, we all do buddy, get in line
>>204650586Marval, honey? Dinner is ready!
>>204649782Different specializations as >>204649826 pointed out. Everything they’re good at we suck at and vice versa. It’s a good symbiosis.
>>204650328false for the first twostop being francophobic you prick
>>204650367Blud wrote marval haha
>>204650725*cricket noises*
>>204649782depends on the field. Germany tops in mech.enginering and chemistry
>>204651159>Blud wrote marval hahadid he REALLY?!
>>204651250He really do! American moment amiright
>>204651324lol hes a idiot
>>204650367Nuclear maybe 20 years ago, nowadays thanks to coal lobbyists not so much
>>204650487goofy tanks (the only good tank you made between 1916 and 1940 was renault ft-17)outdated airforceunimpressive navy
>>204650144There's a common thread here
>>204650586wtf this got a sequel?
>>204651520Pretty vague
>>204649782Studied in France for 5 years in Uni , i genuinely believe that it's because the French are horrible at marketing and profiting from ideas , French academia looks down on bringing ideas to market or monitizing it in any way , the polar opposite of the germans or the americans , so most engineers either cave in to the peer pressure and just publish their findings and sit on their ass collecting the government wagie cheques, for singaporean american or german engineers to build up on their research and build companies arround , the smartest ones move to switzerland or the US and bring their ideas to fruition .TLDR: The academic system DISCOURAGES the engineers from bringing their ideas to fruition . French engineering peaked between the 19 and early 20th century where they accomplished Monumental achievments to rival the ancient egyptians every other tuesday. la belle époque is called la belle époque for a reason .
>>204650144There's a common pap smear
>>204651948Kinda true yeahYou're overall very discouraged from starting your own business and stuff in this country and everything is taxed to shit. It's unfortunate because we do produce many smart people and they just go to the US at the end of their studies
>>204650586>>204650367
>>204649782Your professor is an idiot.
>>204651948I don't think it's because of the academic system. During my studies I've been told multiple times that I shoud think about starting my own business, it's being pushed quite hard. But we are shit when it comes to marketing our engineering solutions for the most part.>>204652054No we aren't discouraged, not in the last 10 years at least
>>204652111He's a germanophobe.
>>204652110See, this his how marketing should be made. Italians know what's up
>>204651837Your military equipment was probably the worst from all the major western powers during the time
>>204649782don't know but Hiromoot lives and works there
>>204651520>goofy tanksChar B1Somua S35>outdated airforceMS 410Dewoitine 500Bloch MB 152>unimpressive navyBetter than the italians and much better than the g*Rmansfrance's real problem is that they had noindustry and were taken over by communists who implemented anti-work laws at the exact moment right before the war where they could not afford it, they also didn't invest in technologies like radio for tactics like small unit coordination among other things
>>204652168How so?
marketing is a jewish trick and the french are right to shun it
>>204652196>Char B1>Somua S35both goofy afconceptual dead ends that literally did nothing>MS 410>Dewoitine 500>Bloch MB 152shame they only started producing them in significant amounts when they were about to surrender (still the numbers wouldn't be comparable to luftwaffe in any way)>Better than the italians and much better than the g*Rmanssure, but still rather dissapointing for a colonial superpower, with other dead-end designs like cruiser submarines
>>204652054yeah i also came to this realization when the vast majority of alumni from my school in my degree ended up working for the same 3 multi national companies or banking firms, those who didn't are government wagies eternally working for their neverending Phd , came back to my country and started a business like it was Nothing.Im still in contact with old colleagues it's impressive how they all lead the exact same life working for different firms in la défense .Im back to my shithole but i'd rather live in a shithole where i have a chance to make it if i try where i'm encouraged to try than live a comfortable life in a first world country where i'll always be bossed arround and never be anything .
>>204652184>workshe's collecting paycheck, current 4chan administration is ran by rapeape from the shadows
>>204652196From what I know the shameful performance in ww2 was mostly because of outdated tactics by retarded officers, and low fighting spirit after ww1 (Munich conference is a big symbol of this). No such thing for ww1 despite what the pole is trying to say, and not much to do with engineering.
>>204652856>outdated tactics by retarded officersand outdated equipment
>>204653057Wrong
>>204652345>both goofy af“Between engagements, we were looking for ammunition from the (knocked out) panzers in front of us. After a while, a fourth tank appeared through the orchard. It was a real monster and we had no idea that France had tanks like that. We fired 20 shots at it without success. However, after a few more shots, we managed to knock off its track. After a while, a fifth tank appears, another B1 firing all its weapons. But it had not spotted us. We fired, but could not knock it out until a ricochet hit the turret. The next shot hit it in the rear. Calm returned and we abandoned our tank again because we had exhausted the ammunition.” >conceptual dead ends that literally did nothingyeah, this totally looks like no other tank ever made>shame they only started producing them in significant amounts when they were about to surrender (still the numbers wouldn't be comparable to luftwaffe in any way)like I said this was the real problem, it was an industrial and political problem rather than a technical one>sure, but still rather dissapointing for a colonial superpower, with other dead-end designs like cruiser submarinescruiser submarines were never properly used because they were outlawed by treaty immediately after the one was made and so were never able to develop proper tactics, if they had they might have been able to fill niche roles like fire support for small unit raidsbesides even if it were utterly worthless it was groundbreaking and an engineering masterpiece, same as maginotindividual equipment doesn't matter so much anyway unless it is incredibly grievously terrible, even then the (may Allah forgive me for uttering this word) Finns managed to rack up kill ratios of like 50:1 in open topped biplanes
>>204653057wrongkys plumber
>>204653311No need to argue with him, just wait for his proofs (he has none)
I shidded and I farded.
>>204652110Holy shit...
>>204652856Shit performance in ww2 was literally just a fluke on the german's part. There was no greatly superior German army, in reality we matched them pretty evenly. They just gambled everything on a sneaky maneuver and it paid of greatly. Had they been caught in the Ardennes (quite likely) the war would have been a shorter repeat of ww1
>>204652110hmmm....
>>204653594Yes I know, but I think we can also partially blame our strategy for this (tanks bad; muh uncrossable Ardennes)
>>204651106try to engineer a cheese that doesnt smell like rotten roadkill
>>204653702We didn't see tanks as bad, the french army just thought they'd be more useful integrated in normal divisions instead of having special tank ones. I remember hearing that a french scout actually saw the germans crossing the ardennes too but when he reported it to the higher ups they just didn't believe it
>>204653744But that is part of the charm>>204653793From what I remember, De Gaulle wanted to increase tank production since he believe modern warfare should be centered around mobility. The high command was against it and was stuck in the trenches mindset, so we didn't produce enough tanks and couldn't counter the German push.
>>204653594I'd argue that a fluke goes both ways.You can both blame it on luck for the offending side and complacency for the defending one.
>>204653744Thats what cheese smells like Mustafa
>>204653222>>204653376whatever helps you sleep at night>>204653311battleship tanks like B1 were conceptually outdated and featuring multiple cannons in a tank is a dead-end conceptjust because a tank has good armor doesn't mean the engineering behind it is good>yeah, this totally looks like no other tank ever madethe main adventage of a tank is its maneuvering capability on the operational levelthe french had fewer relatively good armored tanks and the germans had more lightly armored and faster tanksguess which ones turned out to be on top>like I said this was the real problem, it was an industrial and political problem rather than a technical oneguess we'll never know if they really were that good>cruiser submarines were never properly used because they were outlawed by treaty immediately after the one was made and so were never able to develop proper tactics, if they had they might have been able to fill niche roles like fire support for small unit raidsthe main role of submarines in ww2 was sinking enemy merchant ships, not directly supporting surface engagements with guns lmaothe concept of cruiser submarines was simply wrong, same goes for superheavy tanks>besides even if it were utterly worthless it was groundbreaking and an engineering masterpiece, same as maginotif it was worthless then it was an engineering failure lmao
>>204653744DELET!
>>204654042So in other words, it was all strategic issues and not engineering ones.You also forgot to mention that France had tanks before Germany during ww1, since you mentioned both wars as examples of bad French engineering.
Germans actually had shit tanks at first during ww2 lol, literally had to use czech designs
>>204650536definitely yes
>>204651520>goofy tanks (the only good tank you made between 1916 and 1940 was renault ft-17)Frankly unfair to present the ft-17 as one "good" exception when it was by far the best tank of ww1 and set the model of modern tanks, others being conceptual dead-end.
>>204654181>So in other words, it was all strategic issues and not engineering onesStrategic misconceptions lead to engineering misconceptionssorry pal, but if the doctrine forces you to manufacture shit and impractical equipment, then the engineering behind it is inheritably shit and impractical as well>>204654391ok, I agree ft-17 was really ahead of its time
>>204650367>marvalIt's true about the cars though
>>204649782Yes, France built the United States.
>>204654516That is a fallacy. Bad engineering would be designing something that doesn't fit the role for which it was created. And since the army asked for strong and slow tanks, it was given what it wanted.
>>204654042>>204654181>just because a tank has good armor doesn't mean the engineering behind it is good>if it was worthless then it was an engineering failure>engineeringYou keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it doesthe topic of this thread is "Is french engineering good?", not "were french tactics good", "was french doctrine good", "was french strategy good"because it's possible to be better at all of those and not have anything to engineer at all, unless you're saying that north vietnam and the taliban had better engineering than america
>>204654836>>204655095The overall design of a vehicle/device is part of the engineering as wellIf the army asks for impractical and outdated equipment then them getting the equipment they want doesn't change the fact the engineering behind it is bad and impractical as wellyou can still learn from designing bad equpment and draw conclusions to make an improved design in the future, but you have to accept the fact that for some reason it was an engineering failure
>>204655244How would you know that engineers haven't proposed lighter and more mobile designs which the army discarded because of their doctrine?
>marvalLOL
>>204655362I'm not saying that the engineers were incompetent or something, I'm just saying that the army wanted impractical equipment and they got what they wantedAs I said, France really was ahead of its time when you started manufacturing ft-17, but later you came back to ww1 era with tanks like B1
>>204655244you are using the term "engineering" in a way that nobody else has or doesI thought it was an esl thing but the frog is using it correctly which leads me to believe that you are pulling some kind of sophistry where you attempt to redefine what words mean
>>204656248ok, so I'm gonna explain it to you once againyou can be the best engineer in the world, but if the customer asks you to design and deliver a shit device/vehicle/whatever because he is convinced that it will suit his needs, then you deliver him the pile of trash he ordered because in the end of the day you do it for a livingjust because it works as he wished doesn't make the product objectively good
>>204649782Fuck no. Your professor is a retard and lives in the past because he's a boomer. Our new "engineers" are retard with zero practical knowledge who crumble in the real job market. However, he's right that Germany isn't an engineering powerhouse. It's a nation of technicians. Good technicians is what made/makes German industry so efficient, not good engineers.
>>204656551because of doomers like you AND mass immigration europe is going to shit
>>204651948>The academic system DISCOURAGES the engineers from bringing their ideas to fruitionRetard hat's just Europe in general. All initiatives are nipped in the bud.>"Want to do this? That's dangerous and forbidden. Want to do that? Well we can't authorize it how about you do something about the environment and blablab or something more theoric?"That's just how it is in Europe. They're afraid of everything.
>>204656596>"Want to do this? That's dangerous and forbidden. Want to do that? Well we can't authorize it how about you do something about the environment and blablab or something more theoric?">still motivated? get taxed to all shits you fucking retard.>don't like the system? jus leave lmao
>>204656587>doomersI'm an industrial electrician and had to work with a lot of them. I'm around fresh graduates all the time and my chief often has to fix the mistakes in their schematics.They have zero (0) technical knowledge and don't know how to operate a team. I know a company nearby which manufactures parts for Yachts and takes care of the design/installation. Took them 4 (four) years to find a decent engineer. They went through nearly a dozen in trial and error.
Idk about other engineerings, but when it comes to civil engineering I would say that Americans are a big reference for steel structures, Germans have done the initial research for concrete stuff, but we do have our own good examples, so you could probably use ours and for wood maybe Americans again?! IdkI wouldn't say the french are a reference for that, but we did copy their "water price" system (idk how they call it in French)
>>204656657Good thing our best engineering schools are all financed by the US and big tech and that once our best graduate they tend to fuck off to the US or the UAE or Singapore or name anything really. Zero incentive to stay. Our best are stolen and we keep the mediocre ones.
>>204656766code monkeys aren't engineers and getting replaced by indians anyway lol
>>204656841>he thinks I'm talking about code monkeyskekElectrical engineers
>>204656919electrical engineering are chinese (including taiwan and singapore) and american specialitiesnot surprising many of them go to places there
>>204656919why are they so STUPAD
>>204653875even Pétain knew tanks were the future but he got called up way too late to implement his reforms
>>204656841indians are based and they fuck your mom every night
>>204653744No
>>204657127in the butthole?
>>204649932Renault cars from the early 2000s
>>204657194when Indians come to a country they make it modern and rich and technologicalwhen french and german come to a country they steal and they devastate for 0.1% of people to get richthat is why India is bast
>>204657272lol no
>>204657282lol yesif not for you, Congo would be super power no1without you in Congo, with Chinese help and Indian techs, Congo will be like USA
Indian builders and workers make bridges and highways in Serbiafrench and german destroyed bridges and infrastructureAll that shit you talk about Indians are stupid and world will see
>>204650536They're prestigious but nowhere near the best in the region (Zurich and Lausanne)
>>204657417>Indian builders and workers make bridges and highways in SerbiaThanks I'll make sure to stick to the country roads if I ever go to Serbia
the only good engineers in the modern day are americanized chinese and actual chinese.
>>204657272Ok but you gotta admit that we're PRRRRRRETTY good at stealingalso, you didn't answer the butthole question
>484>t. CCP sleeper agen... I mean chink diaspora
who is the frenchie quotinghello?
>>204657573Quoting your mom.
>>204656486that's not "bad engineering", I'm not sure what you would call that but it's not bad engineeringconcorde was supposed to revolutionize air travel but only flew a few times a month and only the super rich could afford it, does that mean it was badly engineered?it flew twice the speed of sound when everything else that did it was a short-ranged military plane with pilots in g-suits, and it did it for twenty years, calling something like that "bad engineering" is diluting the terms "bad" and "engineering" into uselessness
>>204657573he's indirectly quoting me. there's a reason the french are stereotyped as cowards.
555let us waggle themAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
france used to create some of the most revolutionary cars of all time and they still challenge modern day cars five decades later in some aspectsi don't know what changed to make them stop building cars like that
>>204649782in some aspects
The best engineers are Congolese and Nigerians since they are the best at engineering why really matters: human beings
>h-he's ignoring us mutts??? h-he must be scared or whatever my gaping axe wound is whispering to me these days
>>204657819it must be opposite day over there
>>204657903name 3 australian engineers
>>204649782what frogs are very underrated in my humble opinion is regarding mathematics
>>204657987We're underrated in everything but anglos had a giant chip on their shoulder so they took the opportunity of owning (culturally) the new world to smir us in a way that can't ever be undone. Spiteful gremlins.
>>204657381>if not for you, Congo would be super power no1
>>204657987I don't necessarily agree, most stemfags acknowledge our mathematicians. It's one of these rare fields where we've had talented people and great works that are actually often talked about
>>204657712>concorde was supposed to revolutionize air travel but only flew a few times a month and only the super rich could afford it, does that mean it was badly engineeredIt had other issues like emitting a loud sonic boom during entering supersonic speeds that could even break windows and was extremely expensive to use and maintainit was just a showcase of what the future of air travel could look like, but the time has proven supersonic comercial aircraft are neither profitable nor worth the effort they required to operate (at least for now)concorde as a concept was cool and potentially revolutionary, but turned out to be highly impracticalhowever things like B1 tank or cruser submarines were already obsolete on the drowing board, so there's no point in defending their design
>>204657941jack brabhamsam michaellarry perkins
>>204652387Are you the black "french" that couldn t get into multinational companies due to racism or smt like that?
>>204649962> He teaches stochasticsstochastics = martingales / brownian motion = made in france
A true leader finds opportunity even in defeat
>>204649782Intel rocks
>>204661277No, never had issues with racism or anything duriong my life there, never planned on living or working in france so i never even attempted to submit CVs, my school had partnerships with SoGé Deloite Kpmg Pwc and the like , my whole class got hired by one of these straight out of School , worked in one of em as intern as part of the curicculum and was given the option to extend and get hired , took my diploma and dipped back, i have no intention of filling excel sheets for the rest of my life and listen to french middle managers and white washed arabs crack the tames shittiest jokes with a grin . No regrets .
>>204653793>>204653875what does the average french think of gamelin, daladier, reynaud and dumouriez?
>>204651948Loooooool German researchers are notorious for just publishing their groundbreaking ideas for free such as chip cards, SMS, LCD and MP3
>>204649826>nuclearThe world's most expensive building at the time, Olkiluoto 3 is out of the grid again. Reliable French nuclear engineering.
>>204665870The same happens here but it's not for the reasons you think. The plants work perfectly fine but they're very complex to operate so a lot of issues regarding that occur. Notably security. It's insane how much time they're willing to waste for security. It matters but come on.
>>204649782lol no
>>204649782unirronically yes.A lot of principel in mech eng comes from French enginnergs/schoolars from materials mechanics to termodynamics.And the whole "german engineering" started as a mockery by U.K
>>204649782Yes, their engineering of coup d'états, assassinations and other political schemes throughout history make the jews look like beavers
>>204649782They're not bad, but I wouldn't say they're the ones to look up to.
> No one brought the Chauchat up yet.
>>204652196>MS 410way outdated air frame and that variant never went into production>Dewoitine 500I guess you mean 520, yeah it was the one good plane but also very anecdotal in numbers compared to H-75 (P-36) and MS 405 which were the actual backbone of the air force>Bloch MB 152fine air frame but outdated engine, 155 and 157 would have been good if they left the prototype stage
>>204664816So you were moroccan and went to france just to get your diploma and go back?
>>204667354You're one to talk, your best engineers were all imported Germans and now your best engineers are imported Asians. You're glorified managers with zero practical skills.
>>204670748It's called social engineering, Louis.
>>204670801yeah it's a jewish skill first and foremost
>>204649782yes actually, i dont know if they're being solo carried by dassault but plenty of the high tech shit used in acquatic machinery comes from them
>>204670801>stealing geniuses and claiming they're "citizens" is "social engineering"I'm sick and tired of pretending new world countries are real. You're just a conglomerate of foreigners pretending to have something in common.
