The worst part about it is americans cant leave. We literally have no option. It takes years to get citizenship to another country or you need an unobtanium job which can't be found for an american.You're basically stuck in america. The only place in the world right now is russia which wants you to go fight as a mercenary. Every other country tells americans to fuck off.American zoomers are suffering and have the poorest quality of life in the developed world and you're laughing.
I'm really fucking tired of europeans and russians with walkable cities and shit telling me their life sucks when this is the reality I have to live in every day
>>204664670Health ""care"" is a scam that should be abolished. Doctors should be killed If you've a medical problem you can solve yourself, you should just accept death
>>204664799Least brutal and psychotic american
>>204664799*Can't solve
>>204664670Really this graph is the most damning part of it all. The fact that we spend more money on the government AND individual side for less effect.
>>204664670This is mostly because America funds almost all medical advances. Even drugs developed outside of America is funded by the expectation that Americans will pay for it.
>>204665190>Foots the military bill for much of the world>Foots the medical bill for much of the worldAnything else we're footing while being compulsively hated?
>>204665190America is just disgustingly evil. One look at this place you can just tell its disgustingly evil.
>>204665054That graph is old, life expectancy has declined even more now
>>204665505To be fair how much of this is healthcare and how much is the abysmal quality food in america?
>>204665505Life expectancy has been going down each year since 2016
>>204665536A lot is probably opioid related.
>>204665536It's actually more inflated healthcare and medicine costs since the government lets it run entirely private and corporate greed by a big reason for why shit costs so much here.But hey, at least the investors are happy while a family's life is ruined from high medical bills that their insurance refused to cover.
>>204664609the thing about America is that it's still the greatest country on earth
america is still the richest country on earth and the best place to be for a worker. Europe is a poor shithole that will pay you $50,000 max for most jobs and then take 3/4 of it for rent and taxes, all for public services that are declining rapidly. The average european professional either lives in a box or with their parents.
>>204665627>2016lines up with my theory.
>>204665696the median american makes more money than all the europeans except the Swiss and Norwegians who are special cases and they also live in cold mountainous areas.
>>204665536Don't forget the growing distrust in any and all institutions, including healthcare which is causing people to turn away from it and live like >>204664799 suggests.
>>204665764And yet America is still the richest place.If you want a higher salary or a higher living standard you will always move to America. Without exceptions.
>>204664670So why haven't individual States started universal healthcare programs within their borders?Why don't California, Oregon and Washington band up and make a public option for the three of them?
>>204665727What you are talking about is really a result of decades of failed drug policies instead of fentanyl. We had a crack epidemic in the 80s, heroin addiction in the 90s, meth addiction 200s and oxycontin abuse in the early 2010s because doctors literally make money from prescribing it
>>204666039Fentanyl is way deadlier than those drugs though.
>>204666039>Harvard University found that opioid manufacturers are paying physicians huge sums of money – and the more opioids a doctor prescribes, the more money he or she makes.
>>204664609why would an american ever want to leave lmao it's the easiest country in the world to live in unless you're dumb as fuck
>>204666120CNN will post this and then also post about how these same people are hecking heroes!! And we need to trust the hecking experts! With zero sense of cognitive dissonance
>>204664609>>204664759Delusional. Americans can move anywhere on earth and tecah english while living in a beach house in vietnam.As a yuropoori am stuck in this shithole
>>204666022well speaking for califronia newsom is a faggot who will never do anything for the public good, just whatever looks good on MSNBC. if he actually gave a shit HSR would be done by now, there would be a public option, our streets wouldn't be crawling with homeless fent addicts, and we would probably have a nuclear power plant or 2
I wish I was born an American boomer so much its unreal
>>204665298yes houston is a demonic place
>>204664670You make more than any of those countries. If healthcare is so important to you then take your extra money and put it in private insurance. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?
>>204665298oh my god is that a highway? I'm going insaneeeee
>>204664759You do not suffer in America. PERIOD.
average life of an american is working 4 silmulatenous gig jobs to pay off medical debt and then getting stabbed by a tranny on fent because you wanted to get your dick sucked but came up short on the money because your boomer landlord raised the rent for the umpteenth time
>>204665298Looks like mexico but with a functional government and more productive people
>>204665764Yet weirdly they want to deregulate it, I genuinely dont understand Americans, they'll say they don't trust big pharma because they just want money then also want to deregulate it.
>>204664609You can go to Mexico and have American wages
>>204664609>>204664670The average American is wealthier than the average European. You want peak maximum comfort, not decent comfort. I would be making 4x as much in the US the amount of money I make for the same job in Brazil, while working less, having much greater purchasing power because of much lower taxes, and living in a much better area.
just get a mail-order bride and then use your marriage to get citizenship in her shithole country
>>204666710we don't get brazillian pussy so don't even compare our suffering to yours
>>204666782I will wear make up for a green card.
>>204664609kek. I was just reading a post with this pic.... we truly are fucked
>>204664759I want to show a piece of my backyard to Europeans, I heard they like a good lawn.
>>204666805I would be living a better life than every single upper class Brazilian if I were living in the poorest state in the US as a poor person.
>>204666022some do. but then you have retarded actual third-world countries states like Florida
>>204666862why would you do this
>>204666862This is truly beautiful, anon. So quiet and peaceful.
>>204666942Oh. Now I feel stupid.
>>204664609>It takes years to get citizenship to another country or you need an unobtanium job which can't be found for an americannow you understand how hard it is for other people to get into usa
>>204666816Americans are so spoiled its unreal.Mf be like>after teaching english for 5 years from my beach mansion in cambodia and living in peru for 10 years i have to go back to hawaii and make 150k/year waaah i sufferMeanwhile we re stuck in our dying muslim shitholes
>>204667005It's over for us. America is humanity's last hope.
>>204664609you're the richest people on earthyou can spend 50 dollars to buy something we need to spend a month's wage on>muh rentstfu, just move. the us isn't that populated.
>>204666881no you wont the poorest state are always some junkie riddle mid-western shithole
>>204664799
>>204667041This. They can move everywhere ok the globe and we cant even leave our respective shitholes.Americans are the most ungrateful spoiled people on earth.
Quit whining. You country is a paradise if you aren't retarded. Wages are higher than anywhere else even for the unskilled and we spend the smallest portion of our income on essentials out of anyone in the world. Listen to your Brazilian friends in this thread with a more accurate assessment of things.
>>204667157>Americans are the most ungrateful spoiled people on earthVery true. But they are also the best people in the history of the world. I envy them. I want to be like them. I love them. I would die for them.
>>204667005the median income of Americans is 30-40k... the top 5% is barely 80k
>>204667093The meta is getting a job in a big city making money for like 5 years and living as frugally as possible, then buying a mcmansion somewhere. Don't live in US cities under any circumstance everything is insanely overpriced, only welfare leeches can live there.
>>204667093>"Just go live further away from where you work bro.">"Just commute another hour of your day, waste it all bro.">"Your GDP is high so you're all clearly rich. Income totally isn't unequal as all fuck there."I get you may have it bad too, but don't just assume others have it well just because they have what you don't you stank ass monkey.
>>204667210The median income in franceshit is 15k. 30k is top 2%.You do not suffer
>>204667215I rather live in India that deal with some HOA hag fucking hate old people specially white old women. Plus with the real state just keep going up. Whats the point?
>>204667264Same in Poormany.
>>204667191They litteraly have no idea how good they have it. They have the highest salaries ,the lowest col, can move anywhere on earth and be offered jobs just by flashing their passport.Op is a whiney spoiled brat or not american.
>>204667264yeah but our gas and rent is way much higher. I rather live in France and deal with Muslims and Africans if it means I get neetbux, a free metro card and healthcare
>>204667264What portion of your income do you spend on food
>>204667276Real estate is cheap in most of this country and not every neighbourhood has a HOA.
People should start some grassroots house building movement. Just take your shit to some open space with access to water and build a shack. If millions of people do it they can't remove everyone. You can say it's going to be low quality of life but it's not worse than being a slave paying 80% of your salary for a cuck pod
>>204667320He's American so I respect him and I would lay down my life for him.
>>204667210That includes retirees and disabled people. Median full time work salary is higher.
>>204667323Muh gas prices simply cope nigga buy a Prius or something
>>204667320You have no idea either. You've never lived here. You just glorify an ideal you have in your head.
>>204667323American gas prices are some of the lowest in the developed world.
>>204664609>and you're laughing.Yes. Yes i am. You reap what you sow fatso.
>>204667413Everybody around the world has amerikkklan kkkulture and media forcibly broadcast into their brains they know full well how you decadent parasites live
>>204667323your gas is way cheaper faggot.your rent is way cheaper too.
>>204667503Yes just like I know how it's like living in Japan since I'm a weeb. Makes perfect sense. They are just freeaboos.
>>204667413It's very obviously better to be born in America than almost anywhere else on earth
>>204667323>our gas and rent is way much higher.Wrong on both cases. Everything is almost twice more expensive than in america while most people make 1500 at best>neetbuxDoesnt exist unless you are an immigrant>metroThird world drug/crime central and is free only for immigrants, it costs 80/150€/month>healthcareNot a thing. American healthcare is cheaper (we pay 50 to 80% taxes and get nothing in return since public healthcare doesnt cover anything)>>20466732660% rent, 30% on food
>>204667413I have worked illegally in your country and i made twice what i currently make as a junior for a large compagny.
>>204664759why don't you just move to a walkable areaAre you dumb? Is somebody forcing you to live in a car dependent suburb?
>>204667508Exactly. They have oligarch salary with third world cost of living and complain about yuropoors living in actual shitholes about their sufferingBunch of entitled brats
>>204667600You worked here? And lived here too? Where did you live, and for how long?
>>204667508>tf. I won't take any shit from a fucking flag that literally pays gorillions of dollars just to being a NEET
>>204667261You're spoiled beyond saving, and you refuse to understand. If I were living in the absolute shittiest areas in the US I'd still be working less, earning more, having much higher purchasing power and being safer. You refuse to see it. Just settle with an average comfortable life. Hell, even a below average life in the US is still orders of magnitude better than middle class in Brazil.
>>204667553I've lived elsewhere in the developed world. It's really not unless you only value money.
>>204667729>Let me tell you about your countryAnon you telling me this is like me telling you you live in a paradise because of bunda. It's shallow, meaningless, and comes from a place of misguided ideals that miss 90% of the picture.
>>204667508gas is cheaper because they stopped raising gas taxes and started paying for roads out of general revenue. Meaning I, despite rarely driving, am paying for the roads through state income tax. I don't know if rent is actually cheaper. I don't think that's really true for comparable areas. If varies widely by metro area here in USA.
>>204667695Didnt live just stayed 4 months which was the maximum amount we get on a tourist visa (after getting an extension through canada).Because your paradise doesnt let europoors in.You are all entitled as fuck
>>204667729lemme live in the middle of fent village just so my house gets broken into by a fucking fent fiend
>>204667508>Rent is cheaper in the USObjective lie. Did you even look that shit up?
>>204667742>I've been to two places that approximate America
>>204667798>didn't liveOh so you DON'T in fact have the experience that would qualify you to talk on it then? Okay, we're done here. Stop talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about.
>>204667840Well yes, nobody here is saying the third world is a nice place to live. But I certainly enjoyed Japan and Austria far more than the US.
>>204667914If those are the two examples you have I don't even feel the need to argue with you
>>204667953I don't even know what your point is at this point. There's better places than the US was my point. Outside of money that is. We're the best for making a lot of money, but not so much the others tuff.
>>204667873Closest thing i got because as i said your paradise doesnt let us in.You have never been/lived in shitrope and have no point of comparison.America is heaven compared to here and even if you guys cant stand your oaradise you can work in any country on earth.
>>204667832a tiny old 450 square feet shitbox in a city with bronx wages is 1.5k dollars a month here minimum. for 1.5k a month in America you get more than that especially since you're making more money too.
>>204664609Can someone please help me move to Europe. Its such torture here
>>204666942>>204666946That's what I will do, my yard is a work in progress.I planted all those trees as basically babies like 3 years ago and already shot up, whole yard was full of dead and half dead trees that I had to take down.
>>204667989Australia and Japan are very obviously not better than AmericaMaybe Australia if you don't want to go to work and just go to the beach all day, but you can do that here tooJapan is a failed state with a backwards culture
>>204667994Americans swing their big american accent and passport at people here and nordics fold like paper to them and give them high wages too.They can do anything they want.
>>204667914>i made 80k in japan/austria>why did could i afford more stuff when the average person in vienna makes half that amount?Being this delusional
>>204668021>especially since you're making more money too.And paying less taxes.
>>204666470Nigga we all do, and we still pay retarded co-pays regardless
>>204668021Lol I pay 1.5K for a 650 square feet apartment, not even in a city and it's below market rate
>>204667994I lived for two years in Austria, and a year in Japan. Living standards are comperable for middle class people (comparing midwest America to Vienna). Costs for rent and living is lower in Europe, but wages are also a bit lower. The higher taxes were a bit of a pain, but having actual public transport and more places to see in proximity was nice for me.Some may just want money, and if that's the case I would agree with you that the US is a paradise. But if you want more in life than just money and things then the US is really not a great place.I won't speak on France because I don't have that concept, unlike you speaking on my country with only a modest concept and a whole heap of hopes and idealizations.
>>204665800If you killed off the top 10 Americans1/3 our gdp per capita would cease to exist Take away the 1%It's half.
>>204668067I didn't make that much anon. YOU stop being delusional.
Who cares about how much money you can save. You'd still have to live around other Americans. Do you have any idea how bad that isThere's not a single house id want to buy in this country. And I'm not allowed to move anywhere else.
>>204668135I was making 20/25 bucks an hour which is what your students or low end wagies make. And i still could afford a roof over my head, fishing, hunting, roadtrips with friends in amazing wilderness, while saving 40% of my salary, none of that is possible here.You had a executive salary in a yuropoor shithole and act all suprised that you could afford stuff.You are legit insane.Like bilionaires complaining to poor people about how bad they have it because they had to sit in a traffic jam once.
>>204668181Lets hear how much you made then.
>>204668313Nah you just don't get it. Its unlivable here
>>204668183Even if you dont like your heavenly country you can move anywhere on earth and teach english for 3 times the average wage. Americans cant suffer
>>204668313Why are you so obsessed with money? Who gives a shit? My quality of life is abysmal. I'm trapped in an awful city with no opportunity and no friends and no family.
>>204667953NtaAustralia, Japan, Canada, Poland, Sweden, Norway, Bahamas, Grenada, Jamaica, bvi, pr, colombia, jordan, Switzerland, Netherlands, Denmark, Taiwan, Belgium, Finland, Lithuania, italy, spain, slovakia are way better places to live as a white person These are places I've lived for over 2 monthsAmerica in general is fucking 2nd world shit hole with a strong military
>>204667779>>204667812You genuinely don't understand the county you're living in. The reason why those areas are still seemingly shitty is because millennials and gen Z in the US are spoiled to the point where they have no entrepreneurial spirit and most of them are atheists. You don't have the urge to embrace what you inherited and make those places better. I could easily start thriving and innovative business in a place like that under those laws. My country is unbelievably hostile to entrepreneurship and innovation. I'm not even joking when I say this, if I were given American citizenship and kept nothing but the clothing I'm wearing right now, I'd be prospering within a year, and within a decade I'd be a business owner. You're in no position whatsoever to complain. Yes I'm offended.
>>204668313>Students or low end wagies make 20/25 an hourThey don't. Only high end wages do in my area. Maybe in the major cities where rent will then be 3x what you'd have to pay there they do. But not in the majority of the country.And my salary was only 45k with a degree job out of college. Which to my understanding is not that out of the ordinary for a post-grad STEM worker even in Europe. In fact I took less pay because I wanted to live somewhere else and see what it's like.>Fishing, hunting, road trips.Yes if those are the things you value I'd say the US is a great place for it. But what if you don't want that? What if you don't just want to own a lot of things? I'd argue that the US is not good for living if those are not your values. That was my point from the start, yet you keep shoving your rabid idealizations into my face telling me about life in my country that YOU have never really experienced much of.
>>204668385We literally can't move anywhere. Nobody wants us. It's just not possible. America is basically an island country. We can't go anywhere because everywhere is too far and too expensive. And no country accepts Americans. You have to jump through so many hoops and even then there's zero chance for work or permanently staying
>>204667994What is this refugee talk anon?
>>204667005>hawaii and make 150k/yearI've never met anyone here who made more than half that
Honestly, you are idiots if you think it’s much better anywhere else. Even Japan which has one of the person for person most successful economies in the world is struggling to give their citizens jobs and wages that can buy a good standard of living relative to their parents and their public services are only getting worse, not better. Furthermore, public services are already dog shit in most countries that have them. You don’t think healthcare is good in Europe compared to America do you? It’s not terrible but it’s not nearly as good. The problem in America is not that you can’t get healthcare or good healthcare. It’s that it’s just too expensive.
>>204668410You have no concept for what you're talking about. I will not tell you you live in a paradise. Do not tell me I do just because you are a mindless consoomer who wishes he could consoom more.
>>204668410I can't start a business.
>>204668400>Australia, Japan, Canada, Poland, Sweden, Norway, Bahamas, Grenada, Jamaica, bvi, pr, colombia, jordan, Switzerland, Netherlands, Denmark, Taiwan, Belgium, Finland, Lithuania, italy, spain, slovakia are way better places to live as a white personProve that youve lived in belgium. This place is a hellscape.Youre making shit up.
This whole thread is just "grass is greener" retards trying to convince the other side of it that they're wrong. Pointless wasted energy even if one of you faggots is right.
>>204668541America is genuinely just that bad. I have vivid memories of being bullied for being white. And then being gaslit that it doesn't happen and never happened
>>204667005It’s all relative. People everywhere got spoiled from watching their parents and grandparents thrive in what was truly the easiest anomaly economy in all of human history. The fact that the chickens are coming home to roost on a credit-based economy with fake fiat after over a century has only made things worse. They’re not wrong for thinking things aren’t quite right, or good. They’re just wrong for thinking their utopia exists somewhere else. And frankly, so much of this is not economic. If you’re a filthy rich Anglo and you have to live in a black ghetto, life is going to suck. It doesn’t matter how much money you have or how cheap products are. Social and political issues always weigh more heavily on people than strictly economic ones but people blame economic factors because the social and political realities are too uncomfortable to confront.
>>204668604bruh shut up europe has practically nothing
>>204668604ThisIt's boomers fault, and yet we're tearing each other apart thinking the grass is greener just because we have it worse off than they did.
>>204668345The three stage of cope>waaah were akshully poor>>204668388>akshully were uberrich but it doesnt matter because of my feefees>>204668459>akshully we can move anywhere on earth but i dont want to do it because getting a passport is too hard waaaahAmericans are the most spoiled. Entitled brats on earth.Mf can move anywhere on earth and live in beach houses while making 3000 usd in vietnam and still bitch
>>204668492>>204668506Fucking retards.
>>204664609Well yeah, some Americans from Russia, France and all over Europe. Even Native Americans too. What a story, lol.
>>204668459>You have to jump through so many hoops and even then there's zero chance for work or permanently stayingThat's how international migration works retard. Getting permanent residency is difficult, but attainable if you really want it.
Anyone else getting the sense that OP has some massive victim complex?
>>204668663OOO OOO AAH AAH!
>>204668686Exactly its impossible
>>204668492consooming is wealth, it's literally all that matters>i don't have anything but i guess i can walk in my walkable city and take the bus nowhere, or somethingyou take the bus because you want to go shopping, or go to a restaurantle walkable city is not an end in itself. it doesn't matter if you have no money.
>>204668686>but attainable if you really want it.lol no. absolutely not, especially for zoomers.
>>204668719Its not impossible if you have willpowerYou just don't. Feel free to keep crying on the internet.
>>204668588America is honestly as good as it gets. From an economic perspective, yes, services like healthcare and education are too expensive and it’s easier to fall victim to debt schemes or over-consumption than elsewhere but it’s easier to ended the upper middle and upper rungs of income and wealth here than anywhere else in the world. And that’s really just a fact. The majority of Americans still reach a six figure income at some point in their life. That’s actually fucking incredible when you standardize and compare that to other countries. And we all know this. The reason the standard of living is better in Japan has nothing to do with socialized medicine or any economic thing. It’s the fact that Japan is filled with Japanese people and America is filled with Venezuelans and we all know it…
>>204664609the solution to the housing crisis is de-urbanization
>>204668734Man why are you even on 4chan if all you care about is buying junk
>>204668644I don’t get it. Are you trying to disagree with me? What exactly are you disagreeing with…?>>204668655It’s actually not their fault. These processes were set in motion long before they were born. They just benefitted from the era where it all worked out the most.
>>204668747You mean suburban sprawl? We're already doing that retard. Anyone can move to Cairo, Illinois and find cheap housing. But people want to live in the city, so we should make it legal to build more housing in the city. The free market would solve this, but the regulations we impose prevent it from doing so.
>>204668451>with a degree job out of college. Which to my understanding is not that out of the ordinary for a post-grad STEM worker even in Europe.Thats 40% higher than our average, you are absolutely nuts.We make like 25k as average wagies.>don't want that? What if you don't just want to own a lot of things? You dont want to but youCAN. In shitope we CANT own shit or do that stuff.You are utterly and abysmally delusional
>>204668746>the standard of living is better in JapanWhy do people keep saying this
>>204668746Thats good for you if thats what you want in life but I truly do not give a single fuck about that or about owning a house. I just want to live somewhere nice. Actually nice not fake America nice. If America is so great then why is it everyone's dream here to buy a bunch of land and fuck off to the woods? It's because living here is miserable
>>204668734Actually, property is wealth but it’s very Brazilian to conflate property with with consuming. Consumption is really the wheelhouse of the middle-bourgeois who lives in cities and in truth owns nothing and has no wealth.
>The worst part about it is americans cant leaveJust come here bro, easiest country to immigrate to.
>>204668588So you admit making shit up?Youre the brazilian schizo arent you?
>>204668900I'm genuinely not making anything up. You haven't even specified where in America you stayed
>>204666487How would you like to spend 2 hours each time you wanted to go 40km to go get some groceries for dinner.
>>204668740Its not impossible at all. Move on temporary work visa, then start working on meeting the requirements to become a permanent resident.
>>204668929Move to the city retard. My trip to the grocery store is a 10 minute walk and I live in the south.
>>204668861>property is wealthProperty is everything you own, including the digits in my bank account. I don't care about land since i'm not a cattle baron.
>>204668832>That's 40% higher than the average hereYet when I looked it up in Austria it was pretty standard.>But you CAN do itYes and you can choose to not have a car. I cannot. There are up sides and down sides to both as I've been saying. Now stop trying to convince me of something I know to be a lie with your mighty 4 months of experience.
>>204668938How the fuck do I get a work visa
>>204668410That is a fucking mobile home in the middle of nowhere virginia for almost 80 ground.Americans can only save like 10k a year despite making 40k due to high cost of living.
>>204668834Well, you know what I mean, don’t you? HDI, perceived comfiness of life, etc. >>204668855It’s not a question of whether you want it or not. That’s just the nature of the material side of human life. Men everywhere at all times have been looking to make their wealth and secure their means. The great achievement of America is that we made that more possible for more people in the most peaceful and most painless way possible that it’s ever been. You can denigrate America for a lot of things but these are just facts. And furthmore, you know the real reason why the American dream is fucking off is not anything having to do with economics or public services but the fact that this country enshrined civil rights law which allowed our public spaces and cities to become black ghettos that nobody wants to live in. That’s the real reason you don’t have a nice place to live by default and we all know it.
>>204668938>Move on temporary work visaLMAOyou cant be for real hahahahaahahaha how fucking clueless can you be?
>>204668980Have an in-demand skill
>>204668021>especially since you're making more money too.Who told you take? the average wagie american is making $15-18/hr.That's the same as in the euro countries. 25-30k shitter wage.
>>204668747The atheist hedonistic millennials and gen Zs are biologically programmed to reject living anywhere with more than one tree per square mile while not being able to afford the latest iPhone within a week maximum.
>>204669012Well I have personally applied for and been accepted on a temporary work visa before so not very I would imagine.
>>204668855>waaaaah america is sooo ugly, i wish i loved in a nafri infested miserable shithole devoid of nature and beautyYou dont have enough self awareness to realize how retarded you sound
>>204664609Stfu you fat piece of garbage, USA is at the top of the global pyramid scheme and you have the nerve to complain
>>204669021AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>204668968Wrong. Property implies ownership and especially value. Consumed services are obviously not owned, and among consumer products almost none of them have any value. Look at cars. The moment you buy it, value plummets. So although you own property in the sense that you own a car your property has no value. So it’s a huge mistake to equate consumption with wealth.
>>204668990US has a higher HDI than japan despite having twice the population, the other thing you mentioned doesn't even exist
I've lived in Switzerland with an American-tier wage, comparable rent but higher prices, and more taxes. I lived like a king compared to France and could save nearly half of my income. Americans cannot suffer.
>>204669040Now find me a job in that area that anybody can get that would allow me to make the payments on that house. Then run the numbers.Learn my friend LEARN.
Can’t relate honestly. I grew up in a poor single parent household and economic success has been very easy for me. I bought my first house at 29.
>>204669076Okay then swap Japan with any country with a higher HDI you pedantic moron. It doesn’t really matter because my point wasn’t about Japan, and to deny that perception exists and matters is just buffoonery.
>>204669087How? Switzerland is one of the most expensive countries on the planet, even high wage Americans usually complain about how much it costs there.
>>204664799yeeehaw partner
>>204664670Break the life expectancy in the US down by race, please.And no "hispanic Whites".
The problem with talking about numbers and statistics when it comes to the argument of where it's best to live is that you ignore many aspects that are important to people. Maybe some people want to live somewhere scenic, and that's a higher priority than anything? Maybe they want more individual freedoms? Maybe there's a lot of hidden costs to life that go ignored by usual metrics?Plenty to consider, and most of you retards are ignoring it all.
>>204669146There is literally no such thing as a perceived comfiness of lifeIf you have to make things up to support your argument you might not be correct
OP still hasn't answered why he doesn't just move from his car-centric suburb to a walkable area.
>>204669105That's almost exactly what I do for a living in Brazil. I hate you and you're pathetic.
>>204669057>So it’s a huge mistake to equate consumption with wealth.There's value in eating good food and driving a good car, if there wasn't then people wouldn't be paying for those things.If all you have in your life is some useless piece of land that produces little to nothing and you're eating clay, you're in poverty by all accounts.You're probably one of those boomers who rant about the end of the gold standard.
>>204669151Because I'm not an american consoomer that spends all his income on crap. Just goes to show how financially illiterate many americans are
>>204669217America is more scenic and has more individual freedoms.America has snow, America has deserts. Engineering, medicine, trades, finance. Everything.
>>204669273>Project managerI said a job ANYBODY could do. And you're still ignoring the costs of living here such as food, car, etc.But again, I'm not trying to tell you you have it better. You're just being retarded.
>>204665750The median salary is not what the average zoomer in america makes. The average zoomer american makes the same if not less than a european.
>>204669249they're killing our drivable cities.they fine you for driving a diesel car to the city.
>>204669328>America is more scenicDisagree. We have a lot of outdoors areas, but few are near the cities. The cities meanwhile are ugly as all sin. And if you live outside of the city you may as well just be living on less wages than Euros given how scarce job opportunities are. Unless you can get a remote work job that is.
>>204668928Post proofs then and where you stayed in belgium.>>204668969https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/201469307/#201476181Odd, last thread you declared making twice that amount
>>204668962That doesn't exist in america, you're lying. Also anywhere in america is basically a 20 minute or more trip to the grocery store.There is zero places in america where you can just walk and go get groceries lmao>>204669249Doesnt exist in america. Which is why americans just live in their cars, everywhere is suburb hell in america
>>204669351And how much does an american zoomer make compared to a european zoomer
>>204669381Oh, and at least until recently even if you HAD a remote work job in a rural area, there's a good chance you're limited in internet speeds well below what you honestly should have for said work. Thank god for the infrastructure bill. Still many places lack more than single digit speeds.
>>204669409The average zoomer makes around 25-30k a year. Around 2000 USD a month or less. The average zoomer euro makes around 2500 euro
>>204669381>And if you live outside of the city you may as well just be living on less wages than Euros given how scarce job opportunities are. Unless you can get a remote work job that is.you're almost correct except if a rural American makes more than a rural european. Being anywhere in America is better than being a rural european
>>204669394So now you're pulling up threads of an anon saying they made more money in the same country as I am saying I did? Peak schizo shit.I think I found your issue. You're obsessive as fuck lol. Maybe learn to enjoy life regardless and you won't be so miserable.
>>204669381American coties are better than fr*nch cities and a lot of western cities have giant national parks a stone throw away from their downtown.Meanwhile shitrope has no nature left.You have no idea how good you have it
>>204669458the average white millennial has a networth of 80k.compared to a european millennial that's a lot
>>204669485You're also ignoring once again the other factors that play in. Most of America doesn't look like our national parks.But I'm wasting my time. Grass is greener faggots just want to believe what they want to believe I guess.
>>204668588nta but you're avoiding the question
>>204669458>average euro zoomer makes more than average euro
>>204669309In terms of property, there isn’t. You will never appear before a judge or a bank or an assembly or the public at large and be able to argue that the McDonald’s you ate last week or the dental service you received has some measurable value that can be included in your “wealth” and that’s because it’s not wealth. It doesn’t even suggest wealth. People can have no money whatsoever and receive free goods and services. All you’re doing is conflating the real meaning of wealth and property with some nonsense meaning.
>>204669512>asks abot whether he actually lived in europe and has any pics>immediately loses his shit and start projecting I found your problem. You are a pathological liar and have a victim complex.
>*solves all your problems*
>>204669219Absolutely there is and only someone as dishonest as yourself would dispute that. The influence of perception on satisfaction is well known and well documented and this just isn’t even up for debate.
>>204669403I literally live less than a 10 minute walk away from a Whole Foods. And there's another full size grocery store 20 minute walk away, most of which is on a street that is only for pedestrians. Not everywhere is as shit as where you live. Why don't you look for better places to live instead of whining on the internet?
>>204669571Americans make less than euros because the quality of life is way more expensive in america.Zoomers have a base cost of $300 a month just to go to work.
>>204669403So Manhattan is suburban hell?
>>204669458Kek no. Most jobs here pay 1500. Zoomers get paid 1300.So you are delusional.
>>204669657I don't own a car and live in America. I don't feel inconvenienced by it at all. If I need to go out of town I just rent a car, but I mostly walk places or take the rail/bus
>>204669636>10 minute walk away from a Whole Foods.>Pays $1500 for rent in big city>Gets hit by a carLets be honest somebody is paving your way. No zoomer can afford to live like that. Jobs dont exist anywhere that's affordable where you can have a luxury like that.You're lying.
>>204669105you can work anywhere in healthcare. why are you so negative friend
I got baited by an actual schitzo
>>204669217True, but even if you consider subjectivity American is objectively better off in almost every conceivable way. Even the walkable cities people are better off in America, or, they would be, if America didn’t fill its dozens of walkable cities with a black underclass that made them uninhabitable. This is the uncomfortable truth Americans won’t face. The reason they don’t have the nice things they want like other countries do is not because of some economic thing. It’s because they gave it away to blacks. That is just the reality. When you control for that reality, it doesn’t matter what it is, you can get more of it, easier, in more enjoyable ways in America than anywhere else.
>>204669658No real person can afford to live there>>204669694Show me one place in america that is a nice place to live. At this rate I'm convinced being a nomad is the only good move in america.
>>204669725I pay $1k a month for my share of a 2 bedroom apartment. If I get a raise I may live alone. I make $5k a month in a modest entry level job.
>>204669458>average net earnings within the EU was €28,217, serving as a benchmark for comparisonSource euronews https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/07/08/european-average-salary-rankings-where-does-your-country-standAnd thats the average. Zoomers start so they get paid a lot less.So youre full of shit
>>204668827>but people want to live in the cityre-evaluate your lifestyle and live within your means. you dont NEED to live in a sprawling metropolis with pride parades and barcades
>>204669790That's European prices for rent.COPEnhagen has the same prices
>>204669217A person in the netherlands objectively has a better, freer, more quality life, more stable for the future than an american zoomer who is a neet/living in their car not knowing what their next step is
>>204669403I’ve lived in a dozen or so cities and currently live in a town of about 1,000 people in rural Appalachia. I’ve never lived anywhere that doesn’t have a grocery store or at least a farmer’s market within walking distance. But still, you can’t really complain if you choose to live way out in the middle of nowhere. We don’t inhibit movement in this country.
>>204669332This is what an average 20-year-old makes with a vocational degree. They make as much as I do as a man in his 30s with a master's degree paying 8x their tax burden while living in an irredeemable shithole that's also hostile to entrepreneurship and innovation, so forget starting your own small business. Your country isn't the problem, you being spoiled is the problem.
>>204669839You're not allowed to drive a diesel or petrol car through Amsterdam. I repeat you get a fine for driving a perfectly viable car through the capital city of a country that was the richest in Europe 200 years ago
>>204669790I would rather die like that. Also nobody in america makes 5k a month unless you got extremely lucky. 90% of the jobs near me pay $13-16/hr lmao that's worse or same as euro wages.>>204669814Thats around what the average zoomer in america makes 25k-30k USD but we have 2-5x more expenses and everything is car dependent.Just admit america is hell. You aren't going to come here and buy a 200k property in montana and make even 50k starting out.Even 50k USD is a high high tier wage by a lot of normies. Companies won't even start you off at 40k USD in america without a bachelors degree LMAO.
>>204669839>no freedom of speech>no gun rights>constantly surrounded by dutch peopleI'd choose death
>>204669832Nta but even anchorage had stores you could walk through and massive wilderness areas accessible by bike/bus.And thats not even an exception in the us.I think op is just the schizo brazilian who spams thread making shit up about america
>>204669783>No real person can afford to live thereSo now you admit there are nicer places in America, and it isn't just suburbs. Correct, Manhattan is expensive. But Philadelphia and Chicago are much more affordable cities, and Chicago has some nice neighborhoods to live in that don't even cost very much. Also, even within mostly car-dependent metros, there are neighborhoods that are walkable. That's is the situation where I live, a dense transit friendly neighborhood in a sprawly sun belt metro. But pretty much everywhere I need to go is accessible to me via transit or on foot, and all my regular needs are accessible on foot.
>>204669919I'm in my late 20s and I don't know anyone who makes less than $5k/mo
>>204669889Ok but you can ride a bike and go get tomatos in netherlands in 3 minutes. It takes 30 minutes for the average american just to get to the grocery store. No wonder americans are so unhealthy because its shit to drive anywhere so people just go to the fast food 2 miles away conviently placed outside their neighborhood intersection instead of going to the walmart 18 miles away through traffic
>>204669980All the jobs around me are $13-16/hr. I'm a typical zoomer cuck born in weimerica. You're lying.Nobody gets hired with a salary of more than 60k USD in america without a college degree that takes another 40K USD to even get.
he keeps saying netherlands
>>204669919>what the average zoomer in america makes 25k-30k USD Source?https://www.capitalone.com/learn-grow/money-management/what-is-the-average-salary-in-the-us-by-age/People below 25 make 40k, people above make 57+k thats more than what juniors make in luxembourg, the wealthiest country in the eu and the most expensiveAnd you have cheaper everythingJust admit america is paradise and shitrope is hell.Youre a litteral delusional schizo who makes shit up and invents data and countries hes been in
>>204670120Yea but they don't drive doe they use the train and a lot of people can bike
>>204669574>You will never appear before a judge or a bank or an assembly or the public at large and be able to argue that the McDonald’s you ate last week or the dental service you received has some measurable value that can be included in your “wealth”Nobody claimed this, certainly not me. The money you used to buy it has value, it had value until you bought and ate it. You're saying buying things isn't an indication of wealth and somehow doesn't matter, which is pretty insane. Just as there's more to life than consuming, there's more to life than owning 'property'.
>>204670058One of my buddies works retail and makes close to $90k/yr
You will never be able to compete chud
Europeans cant look at this and say america isn't hell
>>204664670Somehow mutts are defending this
>>204670202College degree or nepotism which 99% of zoomers dont have. The vast majority of zoomers make under 30K USD or less a year. Not even boomers who have been working for 20 years in construction make 80k/yr+
>>204670120Its because >>204670247 >>204670058 is the brazilian schizoSee pic. He just outed himself
>>204669919>90% of the jobs near me pay $13-16/hr lmao that's worse or same as euro wages.Any 20-year-old with a vocational degree can easily earn double that amount in the US. This is from the second poorest state in your country btw.
>>204670253No one really cares about healthcare anymore. Our priorities have shifted towards the NIMBY menace
>>204670309They aren't hiring even if you had any degree. Nobody is hiring. All jobs pay under 30k USD a year.Anyone says otherwise they are lying
>>204670058OP, there's plenty of flaws with America, but I suspect you would still be a miserable loser even if you lived in any other country.
>>204670283>Not even boomers who have been working for 20 years in construction make 80k/yr+You really have no idea
>>204670373My life would be better if I didn't live in weimerica.I may not be richer but my quality of life certainly would be better day to day.
>>204670355Peak projection. You are the one talking shit and ignoring the truth that you hate : america is better than poorope.
>>204670297Why are there so many fucking schizos on this website?
It's fucking over for zoomers
>>204670430America is better than france but worse than actual first world euro countries like netherlands, sweden, finland, russia etc
>>204670355You cannot expect to make any decent money as a newbie. Your company is literally paying you to learn for the first 3 to 5 years. You're about as good as nothing to them as a newbie, they pay you to learn how to work, only making noticeable profits after around 5 years. That's what spoiled kids refuse to understand. You think all you need is a degree and off you go. No, you need experience in that specific business, you degree is merely the foundation on which a company can build upon.
>>204668541How would I prove that?Nigga we have homeless people dying on the streets, black people not working for decades living on the system, baby boomers living off us, the only thing they handed us was national debt and they have no social security and hedge funds borrow trillions to buy up houses at 1% interest and charge us 7%It is a fucking shithole. I live in America but not in the states. I live in a territory, it's so fucking bad in the states you have no actual clue. You are fucked unless you are hot chick or born rich or born 6'2 plus. Its absolutely miserable. You get injured even a broken finger means you owe 85-100000 grand which you will pay off for years
>>204670373This is the theme with the internet, it's all miserable losers and that makes it seem things are much worse than they really are.
>>204670373Op has never even been abroad. He is just a terminally online pathological schizo.See above. Hes been spamming threads while making up new shit for years on both int and r9k lol
>>204670495That's not me but I'm very similar to that guy.Also I don't live rurally at all I live in suburb hell.
>>204670477See >>204670297Youre a delusional schizo>>204670486Litteraly just post a pic or a passport stamp. Your schizo rant make me think youve never been to any of those countries and are making shit up again
>>204670454Also, the average age of U.S. homebuyers has jumped to 56—homes are now 'wildly unaffordable' for young people.
>>204670564Why would I post my fucking passport on 4 chan.Also I can prove I left the fucking states easy. It's that fucking bad.
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>>204670575
>>204670453Its just one extremely mentally ill, pathological liar brazilian diaspoo whose been spamming for years on several boards>>204670550Lmao. He cant even deny it
>>204670631He thinks it's the same person
>>204670635I don't own an iphone never have and never will.
>>204670575>noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>204670635Nigga it fucking sucks in the states
>>204670631Litterally all my pics are your posts joao.Your spamming doesnt help either>>204670604>Also I can prove I left the fucking states easy. It's that fucking bad.Do it then. Prove youve lived in any of the countries you mentioned.
>>204670707>>204670673>doubling down on the schizophrenia
>>204670721No I said I can prove I don't live in the states but I do live in america because how bad that shit got there
>>204670759I can complain about being a weimerican zoomer. I like complaining. Arguably my life would be better if I was born in a first world european country.Not sure about that brazilian lad though. He may be onto something
>>204670699West Virginia has the second lowest life expetancy rate inthe US and the worst education scores. Houses are cheap because nobody wants to move there. Notice how it says average american, but not average West Virginia where jobs are drying up and the population is declining
>>204670575>>204670699This is how pathetic you are.
Take the car life pill
>>204670828>its not me but he speaks like me, at the same time, the same files from the same placesYoure sad joao the schizo>>204670768Prove youve lived in any of the dozens of countries you claimed.You wont because youre a liar.
>>204670842West Virginian*
>>204670842>is that an actual organic tree??>nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
It’s silly, really. Euros screaming and pissing themselves they wanna emigrate to the USA, Americans doing the same romanticizing a Europe that doesn’t exist. In reality both turned to the same shit.
>>204670828You don't get to complain. Europe is a cesspit. America is much better.
>>204670964Where are you going to get 1200 a month to pay for that house. Probably more since gas, groceries etc.Good luck finding a job there! lul
>>204670988The difference is, we are talking about an america that still exists while on the other side you have one mentally ill diaspoo whose never been to poorope ranting about shit he has no idea about.
>>204670859What a retarded post, why are you comparing the purchasing of a house in America and Brazil at the same cost when the median cost in Brazil is much lower
>>204671032Just because you can't, it doesn't mean no else can.
>>204671032I'm done. I already posted everything you asked: cost of real estate, cost of living, education, job opportunities. The life you want is for spoiled kids. You'd be living a perfectly comfortable life if you gave up on that urbanite delusion of yours.
>>204671109Sure maybe some boomer with 800K but they will die eventually. They aren't indicivitave of the average american zoomer who is still living at home, in poverty working a shitty $15/hr job at shartmart with no hope for 15 years.
>>204671147Give it up. Hes is utterly delusional, dishonrst and extremely mentally illhttps://desuarchive.org/int/search/image/PxCT-x4aOTjj6Gt1HNDIog/Let him spam for a bit then fuck off back to r9k
Shelling out 2k a month for my 440 sq.ft apartment so I can make half of what I would working the same job in the US.But at least I can walk to the grocery store! Can't afford a car though so I don't have any other choice.
>>204671147Most zoomers just want land but even thats too expensive. 20k an acre in weimerica
>>204671076Also, people are comparing the HDI of USA and Europe, not SHITHOLE Brazil
>>204671205Good. Also why couldn't you get something cheaper. I'm sure there are more affordable options. Even in the netherlands they have apartments for under 1000 euro directly in the heart of amsterdam
>>204671216Dont insult your homeland like that.Our salaries are half and houses are 500k on average
>>204671166He lives with his parents, who pay for most of his expenses, but he's still in poverty somehow?And this is NOT his fault, but the fault of his parents or the economy or whatever?That zoomer needs a good spanking if you ask me. What the fuck is he doing with his life?
>>204671258Because these flats have 300 applicants.Every flat in the netherlandq has hundreds uponhundreds of applicants.Even here. I work in luxembourg and cant even afford a house in belgium because its too expensive.You have no idea.
>>204671258I "own" it (read: the bank owns it), so it costs more because it's mostly loans and interest rates are nuts here right now compared to the price of apartments.It's on the outskirts of Oslo, takes about 20 minutes by train. Guess that sets it higher.Incidentally, the state takes 25% of the gross income as income tax. Then the bank takes 40% of what remains. Then the state double dips with VAT, fees, train tickets, tariffs and so forth.
>>204670179But to say there’s more to life is a different thing than saying that more to life is necessarily wealth. It’s not.
>>204671485That’s life anywhere tbqh
>>204671337>Because these flats have 300 applicants.They're rent controlled?If so, its further evidence for rent control being bad policy. It doesn't actually solve the shortage.
>>204671650Not (just) that, we simply have a shortage of apartments everywhere Doesn’t the USA also have many applicants per apartment in nyc or so?
>>204671076To show you how utterly delusional you are for thinking you have it hard. I work more for much less, paying 8x more taxes, much higher cost of living, earning as much as a 20-year-old American with a vocational degree. Europeans themselves are all calling you out on your delusion. American boomers are correct when they say the average American zoomer is a lazy spoiled little shit.
>>204671640Fair. Just tired of having my skills underutilized for shit pay compared to my American counterparts.
>>204668172Gdp aint shit. Real living standards are what matters.
>>204664609rest was always supposed to be a tax on the stupid faggot who want to live frivolously.
American "ABSOLUTE" poverty>Buy all your food with gibs>Steal your neighbor's amazon packages when you need the new iphone>Steal some catalytic converters when you need a new car>Not a crime because they defunded the police>You're better off than 95% of the world at the end of the dayIt's insane how much they complain when they have everything
>>204671673Yes, USA has a shortage of apartments, and its worse in cities with a history of rent control (NYC, SF). The main cause of housing shortage in USA is zoning preventing multi-family housing from being built.
>>204671708The only reason poverty is terrible in America is because poverty also means living with drug addicts, alcoholics, mentally ill, blacks, browns, etc. You can feed a family of 5 on like $100/week with McDonald’s and Dollar General if you really wanted to.
Ever since I've been on the internet I thank Jesus every day that i wasn't born a westerner
>>204671678>erm you can buy a shack in the middle of nowhere (where there are no jobs) for $100,000And? You have it better than some starving 12 year old mudhutter working 18 hour shifts in the diamond mines in Africa, but I don’t see you bringing that up.We are way richer than you, yet that isn’t reflected in our standard of living.>>204671909Sorry chud, Romania is officially WESTERNIZED. Your maid outfit and tracking device will arrive via amazon(tm) tomorrow.
>>204671678Doubt hes ever been to shitrope>>204671692Your real living standards are better than pooropes
>>204671973There are 5000+ jobs in that area alone according to indeed. You are delusional.
>>204672038>according to indeedNobody tell him
>>204664609we are dying younger every year and working multiple jobs
>>204672038not trying to defend the schizo, but using indeed job postings to say "there are lots of jobs" is just as dumb as leftists posting a screenshot of zillow postings to say "there is plenty of housing, we don't need to build more"
>>204671973God damnitOh wait I dont have an amazon account IM FREE YEAAAH :D
>>204672089>those thousands of jobs on every job boards are all fake because i say soSchizo moment
>>204672113>posting job posting isnt an accurate depiction of how many jobs there are mkayI could have picked any other siteUnless you consider having thousands of jobs even in the smallest american city not to be good enough for youWhich just shows how spoiled you are
>>204672148it's true though
>>204672247
>>204672247That still lives you withabout 3500/4000 jobs in bumfuck appalachia.Meanwhile in poorope i have to commute 2/4 hours every day to work
>>204664799Based, notice how millionaires never go to the hospital
