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>>205800970heh
>>205800970>>205801238zamn bro like zamn
>>205800970they are winning the war give them a year or two
>>205801425>2 more years!
>>205800970hi polACK
>>205801540he owned u doe
>>205801425Nobody is actually doubting that, beyond the possibility of a concentrated ukrainian counter attack forcing putin into negotiationsthe question is if it will have ultimately been worth it sending 80% of your country's youth into the meat grinder when your population is already old as fuck
>>205801614yeah but NATO biolabs or something
>>205801645but the cocaine factories...
>>205801645Continuing to ignore the outright terrorism the US installed puppet government in the Ukraine was up to for fucking years in Donbas, only makes people more inclined to support Russia's self defence. You're on the wrong side of history, so are Western Europeans.
>>205801707I do not support Russias war of agression, just being realistic here.
>>205801797>years in Donbascitation needed
>>205801830no they won't. The decisive factor is military equipment. There will likely be a negotiated peace brokered by the Trump administration because both sides are exhausted.Russia pushes this fantasy that it can't be defeated, but if western countries invested half as much in relative terms as Russia, Ukraine would have already taken back all of its territory
>>205801930>Ukraine would have already taken back all of its territoryIf you went back to Ukraine and fought for the batkivshina.
>>205801930So Russia wasn't defeated. How is this a fantasy?
>>205801425>>205801813>Being realistic >Trusting Pootin and his cronies fake capabilities
>>205802041it's due to a lack of political will from the west, not due to it being impossiblealso Russia has not reached its war goals (yet, it will depend on Trump and Europe whether they do in the future)
>>205802041russia is already defeated, the only thing russia can choose is if they will give up their ass to the west or china
>>205802094most wars are not fought til the total collapse. They end when one side loses the will to fight.
>>205802102>they will give up their ass to the west or chinaEurope has sold its ass both to the USA and China.
>>205802094>it's due to a lack of political will from the westAnd doe to the lack of cannon fodder in ukraine.
>>205802330Ukraine is fighting for its existence, it won't give up the fight unless its continued independence is guaranteed>>205802403Russia is on the attack, attackers are losing more than defendersyou are literally braindead if you buy into the propaganda that Ukrainian losses while defending are higher than Russian losses while attacking
>>205802483Zelensky has already hinted that he is willing to negotiate, so Ukraine has abandonned its maximalist goal of territorial integrity
>>205802353no McDonald's until Crimea is back, the faster you give up the faster you will be out of your gulag, but you can stay there forever for all I care, either way I win, lmao
>>205802587I'm aware, but that doesn't change what I said. Ukraine is willing to give up territory, but it's not willing to give up independence (Putin's actual goal). That's why hard security guarantees are non-negotiable for Ukraine, otherwise they'll keep fighting until the end.
>>205802649well, what kind of security guarantees can they realistically get? They wont be allowed to join NATO, will they?
>>205802590>no McDonald's until Crimea is backNot sure if it's irony or shere retardation.
>>205801614Average Russian age is 38 iirc so hardly as bad as us with 63 for example
>>205802706McDonald's or Crimea, cannot have both, sucks to be you
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>>205802770>McDonald's or Crimea, cannot have bothWe have both doe.
