remember what you're fighting for>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldprevious thread: >>214268698
>>214339649Thought from the thumbnail that she was picking a booger. That'd definitely make her popular among the faggots here.
>>214342178Does it work for languages with different scripts? I'm trying to learn Chinese and Korean.
head-initial or head-final?
What did Jordanon choose at the end? Maybe I'll take the same language
>>214347366German
>>214346354It comes with a lot of languages already predefined, see list here:https://luteorg.github.io/lute-manual/usage/languages/defining-languages.htmlMandarin Chinese is supported but you have to install an additional package for the parser.https://luteorg.github.io/lute-manual/install/plugins.htmlKorean currently isn't (fully?) supported. There's an open feature request for it but it's not clear if and when it's going to be implemented.https://github.com/LuteOrg/lute-v3/issues/11Maybe you can get more info on their Discord server, some people have made their own forks and workarounds, but I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle.https://discord.gg/CzFUQP5m8uIf you're looking for alternatives, there's Kimchi Reader, Migaku, LingQ, a lot of paid alternatives that do the same thing and more. Not sure which is the best, you'll have to do your own research.
>>214345040Any tips on how to build vocabulary ? just consume media of the target language and you'll eventually get used to the most often used words ? I tried making a list but it's not particularly useful so far
>>214347838can always go for frequency books on annes archive
>>214347838Priming the most frequent words through Anki or some other spaced-repetition system + reading and listening to content that's at your level. You can also go through content above your level and do lookups and multiple passes, but I think it's less efficient, more unknowns per sentence = more cognitive load/stress, less flow and immersion. It's best to find a sweet spot where you're comfortable but still pushing your level.
input
>>214349500What does she talk about
Should I carry on with learning languages from the same civilization or just pick up a major one? A logical step after Turkish would be Farsi and after Greek - Romanian
>>214347528Fuck
>>214349658You could learn Ancient Greek if you care about what 2000 year old literal hobos had to sayIf you're talking about steps after Turkish then probably Farsi or whatever if you're a Ottomanboo, other Turkic languages if the idea of knowing them all and the small differences between them turns you on. Otherwise just don't bother with Turkish or anything related to it.
>>214347660Hey man, you've given me plenty already. I'm going to go do some digging based on your information and see what meets my needs.
How do I keep skillmaxx writing? Anki is SHIT even for reading because all I'm feeling I'm doing is click click click with no real challenge and no learning, Anki has no mechanism to prove that you REALLY know this word or know how to use it in a sentence. I'm not using slopowl either.
lute chads rise up>i had to stop Os Maias until I do some research on which edition I want to read, and if it should be one with new or old orthography.
>>214345040lekker in verrotte bananen knijpen
>>214347660>no uyghursad
page 10
I need some guidance with German, I've been grinding for about 2 weeks, mostly Easy German, but I don't think I gonna make it without grinding shit like cases and conjugations first. Any good progressive/structural guide or even textbook on grammar worth reading?
Finally at a point with Japanese where I can struggle through the easiest light novels. I feel like a four year old sounding everything out one syllable at a time but at least I can manage.
>>214353706
This show was fucking arse. Does anyone want to teach me Galician?
>>214345040Hmm. I think I already speak Dutch
>>214353942Damn the best they seem to have is a 50yo book, outside Spanish and Japanese there is really no good material for language learning. Not talking shit about the book I'm just venting some frustrations, ty
>>214353706Deutsch Nach der Naturmethodehttps://archive.org/details/deutsch-nach-der-naturmethode_202312/mode/2up?view=theaterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B21LZlodYQM&list=PLf8XN5kNFkhc0J7rC_vQMUBIVdaj---V5&index=1
>>214323250And let's go deeper on tsThe non-use of literal translations in sentences like :"मेरे पास एक नाक और दो कान हैं"Incorrect : I have a nose and two ears.Correct :There is a nose two ears nearby me.Causes comfuses as the auxilliary verb is not conjugated at the first person singular, but rather third person plural, and पास may be confused as verb, eventhough it is a noun/adverb of locqtion, पास is the grammatical subject and the obliqur form pronoun is the logical.
How do you actually start learning a language and get organized ?Anki is expensive, it’s like 59 bucks and not everyone likes it.Should I take a free hour to talk to a community tutor on Italki or something ? I need to know how and where to start (level 0.0). Also I chose a complicated language so starting in my own seems impossible
>>214354713The modern day hindi is just urdu in devanagari script I have never met a man in my own country speaking proper hindi without mixing english or urdu ( arabic or pharsi )
>>214355159Anki is free on every platform except for the iOS app which is $20
>>214355159>Anki is expensiveanki is free. you're getting scammed if someone wants you to pay for it.
>>214355159anki isn't a starting step, you don't start with flashcard torture because that will burn you out instantlyget a textbook
>>214353839Based. Keep going, Anon.
>>214355159I can send you anki for a discount
>>214355177Does this applyes to the punjabi dialect having the "के नाल" as postposition?
How to get purple haired girl on duolingo to be my goth gf
>>214355159>Anki is expensive, it’s like 59 bucks and not everyone likes it.lmao, it's literally free
>>214355159What language? I can give you a basic starter routine but you probably won't stick to it.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%87Surely, a voiceless alveolar sibillant and a mid-clse front unrouded vowel get together to make many functions as a postpositions.
>>214355945Pls do share if possible…Also yes I have IOS so maybe that’s why it’s $$$ what a scam :(
>>214355402IOS makes you pay I guess
>>214355945CZ (yes that hardcore lang that has written and a speaking version to it etc) I only listen to radio stations for now even if it’s fast af to get the hang of it
GUIDE on how to pronounce German 'ich' (I)Ich [ıç] (German Standard German)Ich [ıx] (Swiss German)I [i]/[ı] (Swabian, some Alemannic, some Austro-Bavarian)Ik [ık] (Northern/former Low Saxon regiolect)Isch [ıʃ] (Rhine-Franconian accent/dialect, optimal if you can't pronounce /x/)Isch [ıʃʷ] (migrant German, with rounded lips, if you want to sound like a retard)Esch [ɛʃ] (Moselle Franconian, including Cologne and Luxemburg)
>>214357958Does every dialect pronounce it the same way for all the adjectives that end in that sound?
>>214357958Cat hissing sound
>>214357767Skyrim has an official Czech translation
>>214358439dub included
>>214357767OK, here's your routine. Every single day:>Learn 10-20 new words in Anki using this deck based on the official Routledge Frequency Dictionary>Read and listen to one (1) new lesson of Assimil Tchèque Sans Peine (I assume you speak French, right?)>Review the previous day's lesson (read & listen)Links:https://anonfile.co/ttOweeOkbKVObcu/file -- Assimil Book + Audiohttps://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1437495463 -- Anki Frequency DeckThat should take you like max an hour per day. If you can manage to do it for a month consistently, come back and I'll give you further instructions.
>>214357958Fake language fake country.
GUIDE on how to pronounce Polish 'ja' (I)Ja [ja] (Standard Polish)Jo [jɔ] (Silesian Polish, Podhale)That's it.
>johttps://youtu.be/BW64piiktAYmandatory /lang/ listeningI mandated it
>>214358720Swedish version https://youtu.be/MvUuTGKFWFA
>>214354311i am glad you understood this sentence consisting of almost only words from your mother tongue
>>214345040>mnwhat
>>214358566Yes, you need minimum 45 min otherwise you will never reach A1, true. Will see if Anki will work on me, ty
>>214358099>-schalways [ıʃ]-[ıʃʷ]>-ich[ıç] anywhere exceptswitzerland and southern schwarzwald where it's [ıx]and Rhineland-Palatinate, Luxemburg, Frankfurt where it's [ıʃ]>-igthis one is more complicated. [ıç] is the most common form all throughout central germany and northern germany. southerners say [ık]. Rhineland-Palatinate, Luxemburg and Frankfurt again natively use [ıʃ] (educated speakers from these areas tend to use [ik] because [ç] is such a weird sound to them]some southerners and northerners swap the pronunciation for some words in some situations because they mistakenly perceive the other as more correct
>>214359412Ty. I guess I need to learn this shit then.
>>214358980as opposed to german
>>214358566First link doesn’t work :/
>>214360251Works for me. Screenshot of the problem?
>>214355159>Anki is expensive, it’s like 59 bucksitoddlers deserve it
>>214360354iPhone users can just use the web version instead of the app.
>>214360203that's the entire point of both those posts
>>214360354There is a reason the iOS version costs money while the android version is free, thoughbeit
Serboss how are you doing today? Im the anki posting guy, I started working in a translation bureau and also I'm learning Chinese. Is there anything new in /lang/?
>>214360666Welcome back and nice trips. /lang/ is same old, same old.
idk /ø/ and /y/ sounds so wrong especially /ø/ like if i know /e/ and /i/ just rounding the lips should be trivialill drill some minimal pairs to see if i can get better
>>214360815Do you ever sleep?
>>214361194Geez, mom, it's the weekend! Let me stay up...
>>214360328I get a pop up/virus
>>214361516Yeah, I get that too when I disable my adblocker. Try this:https://mega.nz/file/KddSFZ7L#aaT2W_xfCRduBb7o3HGfNbVbax2PwXYSOrDTut425fQ
>>214361687K thanks, will download the app and see how it goes. Will take time !
>>214359546Who is she?
>>214347660Really neat toy so far. Thanks.
>>214362831dat man is fukin freezin 2 death in your image
>>214353839Got to chapter four of this isekai light novel about a 15 year old girl wearing a bear costume and it's going in depth about her panties and her super flat chest. Is Japanese the greatest language ever created?
I watched Dreaming Spanish for over 30 minutes.
how the FUCK do i learn a new alphabetrussian and japanese are MOGGING me
It's so gratifying to listen to stuff you found a while ago, but hardly understood, only to find that you understand it perfectly now. It's awesome. And it was actual native content, too, in my case, albeit for little kids.>>214363967Nice! I'd recommend upping it to an hour at least to make faster progress, though.
Spanish pronunciation:[ˈɡɾĩŋ.ɡo]Portuguese pronunciation:[ˈɡɾĩ.ɡu]Very similar, but not the same.https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gringo
Nighty bump
japanese: iru - to be/exist (animate)tamil: iru - to bemaybe they were right about being the oldest language...
>>214365671"Koja" means something like "hut" in both Swedish and Japanese. Clearly related.
>>214365671uh sorry buddie, let's taking the dravido-korean spotlight mmkay?https://youtu.be/lg3v4GwQGXE>>214365700Swedish: Ni (you), Chinese: Ni (you)Swedish: Borg(castle/fort), Chinese: Bao(castle/fort). Swedish: Han (he), Chinese: Han(man)clearly sister languages.
What is so good about Lute? Can someone explain why everyone's shilling it all of a sudden?
>>214365671Eru is an inflection of the verb vera, to be, in Old Norse
>>214364700if you cant learn cyrillic you might be retardedliterally what is the problem? it's just edgy latin.something like 80% of cyrillic letters will be obvious since they're 1-1 with latin.the others, take them apart and learn them.the way i learned cyrillic was getting a notebook and writing the italian alphabet (with the italian order) 1000 times, but using cyrillic letters instead.then i proceded learning the more edgy letters. seriously, it's that simple.
>>214366515Is everyone shilling it? Or is it just one guy who posts incessantly?
>>214366515it's just the run of the mill language learning/reading all-in-one app. language reactor is another big one.personally i dont like them, i find them distracting.
>>214366453Coolest one that might actually be cognate is "samband" in Scandi languages vs. "sambandha" in Sanskrit. Means connection/relation in both, with the same etymology.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sambandhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A7
>>214355159>Anki is expensiveyou are braindead holy shit
>>214349500she hit the wall hard already
>>214366631Yeah, it's present tense plural, like "are". Swedish preserved those plural verb forms until pretty recently. Newspapers got rid of them like 80 years ago.
>>214366782>Newspapers got rid of them like 80 years ago.BOOOOOOO
>>214366792Should undo the spelling reform too. Preserve trve tradition.
Fuck you guys, you suck
>>214367043real
>>214367043echt
>>214350087maybe you could use something like: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences/search?from=eng&has_audio=&list=&native=&original=&orphans=no&query=&sort=relevance&sort_reverse=&tags=&to=srp&trans_filter=limit&trans_has_audio=&trans_link=&trans_orphan=&trans_to=srp&trans_unapproved=&trans_user=&unapproved=no&user=&word_count_max=&word_count_min=4replace serbian with your TLwrite down some sentences in englishif they dont match, hit yourself in the head or algo
>if they dont matchyour translations, that is
>>214367043i hate the polish so much its unreal
Nightlier bunp
>>214358439>>214358461Play kingdom come instead
i have a big idea.
Ich will wichsen
Should I learn Hebrew?
>>214369205Learn the superior semitic language.
bumpu
>>214369100I'm listening...
>>214359138Mijn which gets shortened to m'n and then you don't use an apostrophe cus you're too cool for that
Imagine trying to learn Finnish or Estonian… I could never make it I think. Hungarian’s worse in terms of grammar but doesn’t have ä’s everywhere
早上好美国。我觉得今天会是很好一天。
>>214373093>doesn’t have ä’s everywhereyeah, it has a bunch of other diacritics instead
Good morning, /lute/! What are you reading today?I'm starting to dabble in a little Swedish. Not sure if I'll commit to it yet, but I got a frequency dictionary and some beginner input, so we'll see how far I can get in a couple months.
>>214374105What is this textbook?
>>214373093'ä' exists in English though
>>214374215Colloquial Swedish. It's just some random textbook I found with a decent amount of text and audio.I also got Assimil Suédois Sans Peine but it's scanned so I can't easily copy the text into Lute.
>>214367043aspice tē ipsum, tē frāgum formosum.
>>214374285No that’s German(ä,ö,ü), Swedish for sure and probably Baltic languages. In German it’s never doubled but their grammar is not as wild either….
>>214374105im reading 騎乗院先生のハーレム計画
>>214360203This image is so fucking funny
>>214374874The 'a' in cat, fat, lack, bat, hat is pronounced like 'ä' in Finnish
>>214375232> probably your easiest rule to learn
has anyone actually learned a language here
>>214375536Does English count?
>>214375536which part of language learnING don't you understand. We have gotten to the point where we bicker about learning methods than actually learning the language itself.
>>214375536this is a -ing thread, not a -ed thread
>>214375536A1 yes but not self learned because I’m 0 organized and need discipline (homework)
wheres jordie
>>214375536The real red pill is realizing that the journey never ends.
>>214375859deciding what to learn
>>214376120HUNGARIAN Why ?Cause you will never learn it !!!!! Trust me after 15 years you’ll never be able to speak it or understand it
I got hooked on Duolingo again
>>214376356I got hooked on lily again
>>214374423Use cracked adobe Acrobat to transform scanned image to editable text serbro
>>214375536俺の日本語まあまあけど、mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut.
>>214375536i can write you a sentence using the passive voice in latin now
-German, Swedish, western Slav (extreme hard), Hungarian Which on is actually worth it ? No I will never be fluent with these. I love Hungarian b it sounds impossible to learn. Western Slav looks impossible but at least it’s indo European so you get the intense grammar and you basically learn it forever. Hungarian is forever until you have Alzheimer’s or idk if it’s even learnable.
>>214374105>Good morning, /lute/!Morning>What are you reading today?Linkrel >>214376785Wow I just type stuff out by hand
>>214376885German is most worthy from that list
>>214375536I haven't decided yet what language I will learn.
german is the easiest language to learn
>>214377347Make up your mind already
>>214345040I have decided that I will dedicate all my free time in the next few months to learning French. I downloaded the New French With Ease textbook along with the audio. But that won't cut it methinks. I need some sort of French media to immerse every waking moment of my life into, much like how I used to do nothing but watch anime at one point of my life. But I can't decide on what to start with. What long-running French shows are worth watching? Is there a list of French shows (with English subtitles) that you can watch all day that's not telenovela-tier?
>>214378542>French shows (with English subtitles)You are not going to learn anything from English subs
Should i take the a1 test and then move to a2 or should i just learn up to b2 and then test (greek if it matters)
>>214378909why the fk would you take an a1 test? just learn until you feel comfortable to take the test
>>214373093finnish and estonian are just strange i can't follow it whatsoever
>>214378542You can watch the original Pokémon series dubbed in French with French captions on YouTube (just change the audio track and subtitles). There are over 200 episodes and they're constantly adding more.https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialPoke%CC%81monTV/playlistsAlso, you can install an extension called Language Reactor to watch this with dual-subtitles and hover over words to see the definition.
>>214378928So it doesn't benefit to do it at all
>>214378961Thanks, I'll check this out.>>214378779I will prove you wrong.
>>214378983you can tell yourself if you are at a1 level of your TL, you don't need to them to tell you that.
>>214377032True, I just don’t love it culturally speaking ;(
>>214375536we just speak about learning languages here, we dont actually learn themhow new are you?
>>214371621i will tell you lateri have to try it first
>>214379602You'll never learn a language if you need someone to pick one for you
Started into learning French using Michel Thomas and sort of a All French All the Time method, however I still cannot understand spoken French for the most part. Everything seems kind of garbled compared to something like Italian or German where things are clearly pronounced and I can pick up a lot. Any pointers?
>>214375536I've learned enough French that I can read books in the language. I can also typically understand native speakers unless they're speaking with a ton of slang or talking about a more niche subject that I don't have the vocabulary for. My speaking and writing still need work but they're getting better as well.
>>214345040Can someone recommend some good materials for starting to learn Brazilian Portuguese?
>>214380199The only way to fix that is to listen to the language as much as possible. Over a thousand hours of listening. Listening to various forms of media but primarily stuff like podcasts, Youtube videos, movies, TV shows., etc. Make sure your input is comprehensible, meaning you understand most of it. Gradually increase the difficulty by finding new pieces of media that are more difficult but still comprehensible.
I managed to set up lute for Uyghur to a point that it's configured pretty well, the only limitation is a lack of online dictionary websitesAnd the annoying fact that PDF OCR thinks that the special Uyghur ئە is actually normal Arabic ھ
>>214373193*我觉得今天会很好(的)or 过得很好是 isn't used like in English (not before adjectives) and 会是 sounds weird you usually just say 会
>>214380478>Make sure your input is comprehensible, meaning you understand most of it.Thanks, although it's difficult to gauge what I can understand at this point.
>>214380699It felt weird typing so I must be getting somewhere. Minus all credit however since I didn't listen to the gut feeling. Still have a ways to go...
>>214380013I’m going to TRY hungarian. So wish me luck.
>>214366853Post examples of how Zased Swedish was before reform
>>214380199Lower the speed of the audio you listen to and don't turn a page until you can distinctly transcribe what you hear with a decent amount of accuracy
>>214380907vexillum canadicum in vexillum iordanicum trānsfōrmat. bona fortuna tibi cum hungaricā.
>>214381283Thanks.
>>214360858is that really a minimal pair? they sound so incredibly distinct to me
>>214362831it's a really common one, but that's such a beautiful font. i also have a soft spot for giga old medieval picrel
>>214380334happy for you. what has your routine been?
>>214382497AFAIK that's not medieval, it was created at about the same time as the roman empire.
>>214381678I’m not jordanian wtf
I don't feel like my German has improved very much in the past year bros...
I’ve slowly been making my way through this graded reader, looking up and writing down every word I see that I don’t know.
>>214382497Ouyang Xun might be the greatest of all time
>>214383204
>>214383164>Hee was gibt? Schöne hünde was? Tschüs!All you need
>>214383164You tend to progress at a steady rate. So if you study for roughly the same hours each day, outside of breakthroughs, your daily progress is steady.If you learn 20 new words for example and only know 100, the progress made to total knowledge relation is pretty high.If you learn 30 words while knowing 2000, you made 50% more daily progress but compared to your total progress the relation is way lower.Just write a small text about why the West has fallen and I will rate how good your German is.
>>214384264es gibt neger und die neger duften
>>214382745i said medieval because i have no clue if the same classic/medieval separation exists in china and i was too lazy to look up how to accurately describe it, my bad but whatever it is, i think it looks strangely beautiful. also the royal seals of korea, picrel is that of the king of guryeo. it's inherently elegant and looks far ahead of its time. it's incredibly pretty. >>214383219also evident by how even in the rest of the world it is regarded as pretty even without any cultural context. people get it tattooed or put it on their walls. regardless of how corny it is, i think it speaks for its inherent beauty
>>214364712I've been doing more most days. Anyway, I'm not bragging. I'm just keeping the thread bumped.
Why should I learn French?
>>214385157To read ballsack and dumbass
>>214382497>>214384903The style is called seal script 篆书
>>214385488kek
>>214385157You shouldn't
What does this sentence means?>パケ写を載せるのはやめてくださるとうれしいです
>>214380477https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tuvEOtHCVWUJgmmvu_AAVZUnHOfc5n30/view?usp=drivesdk
>>214387206I can't access it. >We're sorry. You can't access this item because it is in violation of our Terms of Service.
Interlingua is literally the only good conlang and it’s not even close. It’s the only one with a natural practical purpose that’s actually easy for its intended audience. It was created painstakingly by serious academics instead of random hobbyists or a dentist. People always remark on the potential of a “simplified neo-latin” without realizing that it’s already existed for 100 years. Even then it’s still not worth learning, but it’s of interest to me because it has the most potential among conlangs specifically if Europe, or more particularly Romance states wanted to break away from reliance on English. In particular it mogs the shit out of Esperanto in terms of ease of use for Europeans, Esperanto’s supposed goal. It’s really a shame that it never really caught on with a community like Esperanto did outside of academia.
Basically, ease of use or practicality have nothing to do with whether a linguistic revival or conlang is successful. It has everything to do with identity. No one identifies with interlingua because it’s so easy that it struggles to create its own shared culture/community, instead just being a super practical academic tool to allow romance speakers to read paper abstracts easily. Esperanto succeeded because, despite claiming to want to break down barriers, it instead was difficult enough to create a difference between Esperantists and non-Esperantists. I as an English speaker can already understand most written interlingua with basically no effort, so there is no shared struggle to bond with anyone over. It’s too easy and useful, exposing the central conceit of conlangs as they claim to be for ease of communication to be incorrect, because the actually easy conlang that is actually useful is too familiar and boring.
>>214385504how descriptive =)
>>214384264>will rate how good your German is.I appreciate you. But I wasn't looking to practice output tonight, I was looking to complain tonight. And my mission has been accomplished.
>>214387167I think it is: I would appreciate it if you stopped posting stock photos.
Why would the pronoun>तुम्हारेBe obvlique if you already have the oblique pronoun>तुम्हेंFor that use.
Mi piace molto la pasta
>>214347366He chose Uzbek. Its a very interesting language with a very cool culture.
>>214377717It's too difficult. I'll just quit this hobby
My local used book store has a bunch of books I bought for next to nothing from the Marlboroughs self taught series. These are surprisingly really good. Shits form the 30/40s. Blast through them and read as much as I can find on Annas Archive in my TL and then I am a pretty high reading level. From there I just watch youtube and talk to birds I meet through OkCupid. This method is working wonders for me :)
>>214392862Fair
Languages transform us, or perhaps bring out from within us, different characters than our native tongue. Have you ever experienced this? Which languages and how did they influence you?
>>214385157>Why should I learn French?1. You want to move to France or a French speaking nation1.1. You are being deployed to peace keep in an Africa country that speaks French2. You want to engage with pretentious French slop nobody other than the French really care for3. You are a homosexualThese are the only valid reasons to learn French. If none of these apply to you, you will lose interest.Personally I believe you should have an idea of what language you want to learn or you will probably get filtered very quickly due to the amount of time it takes. I am not this however, and have dabbled in lots of them until finding ones I actually want to pursue further. Lots of time wasted, but I have learnt a lot about the world and linguistics in the process.
>>214380199Read along to French audiobooks. Worked for me.
>>214393531I do this with English and I feel like it's gotten worse and I'm starting to sound like a caricature
>>214393769I'd imagine that that means you are properly using English phonemes and thus have less of an accent.
>>214393469Languages reshape us - can I say it this way?
>>214393858I still have a strong accent, but I randomly say things with a perfect accent and connected speech or random accents like Indian, Irish, Scottish, Ebonics, only to stutter again in my Eastern European accent a moment later, which doesn't feel right at all. And as for the vocabulary, it's also weird, I can't remember anything at the moment, but I think I'm randomly mixing American and British words, like from some drama club
>>214376377I need 4 lilys allah willing
>>214387516What other service of hosting may I use.
>>214382439I know that is used in German for the long versions of oe and ue so it should be obvious to you, adult learners lost some ability to hear new sounds so ue souds just like a gay /i/ and oe souds to me sometimes like a weak /o/ or /u/
>>214393469>Have you ever experienced this?Nope. Not yet at least.
>>214385157Greatest literary tradition
>>214385157Develop an intuition for Latinate words and straight up French expressions introduced to English through the Norman occupation. Studying French makes you a better English speaker.
>>214394176Honestly I think its fine. I am native British but speak with a mix of British, Australian and American accents due to being terminally online I guess. The way I pronounce some words is quite fucked. As long as people understand you its fine.
>>214382550I started out with Assimil, did that for about eight months, then I kind of fucked around and wasted time before I finally decided to get serious about it again. I then started listening to French input more frequently and attempted to read as much French as I could. My routine since finishing Assimil has been 99% input. I don't do flash cards or anything and I haven't studied grammar since Assimil.
>>214394901What city are you from?
Fuck, die deutsche Sprache ist zu schwer
Is Czech better than Hungarian ? Pros and cons pls thanks I feel as 2 may be honestly kinda useless :/ unless you want to live in Hungary ?
My endgameC2 - KoreanC1 - GermanB2 - Japanese, MandarinB1 - Vietnamese, Thai, Indonesian, Swedish, Norwegian, Scottish Gaelic, Irishcurrently 35-40 percent there
>>214398922based
>>214398922meiner meinung nach hatten die franzosen sich im orte geirrt, als sie die orthografie der vietnamesen KULTURELL BEREICHERTEN. die thailänder hätten das viel mehr gebrauchen können.
>>214381095Biggest change was turning a bunch of f, fv, and hv into v (hvem -> vem (who), skrifva -> skriva (write), etc.). Norwegian and Danish still have hv-. Also turned some random Qs into Ks and stuff (qvist -> kvist (twig), beqväm -> bekväm (comfortable), etc.).https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stavningsreformen_1906#J%C3%A4mf%C3%B6relserSpelling was batshit crazy a couple of hundred years earlier though. Here's the Gustav Vasa bible from the early 16th century: https://sv.wikisource.org/wiki/Bibeln_(Gustav_Vasa)/S._Johannis_Euangelium. Stuff like "lijffuet" instead of "livet" (the life) and "tijdh" instead of "tid" (time). Wouldn't be surprised if they were pronounced the same way. Wonder if people just wanted to show off with convoluted spellings sometimes.
>>214393922Yes you can. It's perfectly natural.
>>214399796Someone came up with a term for it: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekorativ_stavning. "Decorative spelling"
load bearing spelling >
>>214399796Very intredasting, thank youanon
>>214398922For meC2 - Italian, FrenchC1 - German, RussianB2 - JapaneseB1 - Swedish, Modern GreekA2 - One of the P Celtic langsNA - Latin, Old NorseOfc I am aware of how unrealistic this is but it's better to aim high, I think. I wish I could be one of those people who only studies one language and is married to that language firmly, but it seems you either study one language or 10. If I could get half of these to a decent level, I'd count it as a success
>>214398922C2 ChineseB2 UyghurA2 KazakhMaybe basic Manchu or Tibetan Id be happy with that
Sentence mined for an hour and only found 2 (two) words worth adding to anki. Bad RNG I guess.
>>214400836kek
>>214397616stimme zu
>>214398922I just want to be fluent in German and French, all the other languages I'm interested in are more "passing interest" and I'll probably just dabble between them for the rest of my life.
>>214394555Maybe dropbox
>>214399914thx>>214398922Mine:C2 - EnglishC1 - One or two from these belowB2 - Japanese, Russian, Italian, German, French,B1 - Dutch, Swedish, Norwegian, Romanian, Icelandic, Spanish, Portuguese, CroatianI will never achieve my goals. I know that I won't be able to fulfill even half of my plans, and because of that, I'm stuck at the choosing a language stage. I'm learning a little bit of one language and a little bit of another, but it's very ineffectiveI don't even know whether to go for the easy ones to make quick progress, or the difficult ones while I still have time. Is it better to choose small gezellig languages or large magnificence ones in terms of number of speakers
>>214398922Mine is:C2/N1 - JapaneseB2 or C1 - French and GermanI'm already N3 (I think this is equivalent to B1) in Japanese and trying out basic German. After I achieve those goals if I'm not burnt out of language learning, I might dabble in or consider going for Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Latin, Indonesian, or Greek, though these are all low priority.
>>214404111My problem with Japanese is that sometimes I get fed up with Japan, but above all, if I learned this language, it wouldn't be worth it for me to migrate there for work, but I'm also afraid that the Japan we know would no longer exist, so even for holidays it would be out of the question. Anyway, I envy your enthusiasm. I'm constantly juggling French, German, Japanese, and Italian.
>>214398922C2 - Korean, MandarinC1 - Japanese, Arabic (probably Gulf)B2 - HokkienB1 - Vietnamese, Thai, Malay, Tamil, Turkish, Swahili, some other Arabic "dialect" like DarijaI'll probably never reach this, but why not to try.
>>214404400>I'm also afraid that the Japan we know would no longer existBecause of the population decline? Keep in mind that we all age at the same rate so you and I will be dead before japanese people go extinct.
>>214404885Because of population shift
>>214404400>it wouldn't be worth it for me to migrate there for workI'm not planning to live in Japan. It might be fun to get the chance to temporarily work there, but I'm ultimately learning the language to enjoy media, and any other benefits are secondary>I'm also afraid that the Japan we know would no longer existThere are plenty of reasons to blackpill about the future but I choose to be optimistic. The world always self-corrects and things manage to work out in the end; 諦めちゃダメよハッピーにしよう!って俺は思う。
>>214396290I'm from a town in the South East
>>214398922My current levels are:C2 - GermanB2/C1 - French, Czech, NorwegianHSK4 - MandarinI have been dabbling a lot recently and am thinking of picking up Indonesian. It seems pretty cool.
Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?
>>214406490Russian has great literature, some good cinema and for really niche bros, some cool resources regarding North Korea. Outside of these there is no real reason to learn it unless you work for the government/military/intelligence
Just imagine yourself learning German, yes German, that fucking beautiful, pretty, aesthetic language. Fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that angel speak inscripted inside your memory.Now imagine people dismissing that language deliberately? What has the world come to?
>>214406702True. >t. C2 German
>>214404111>C2/N1 - Japanese>C2>N1If only you knew how bad things really are...
>>214398922C2: Mandarin, Korean, JapaneseC1: German, FrenchB2: ItalianB1: maybe something exotic like Mongolian or RussianThis is highly subject to change.
>>214406378London? Brighton? Worcestershire? Is it true that each monarch has his or her own drip for the palace guards?
>>214407267>I'm from a town>London>BrightonNot towns, these are cities>WorcestershireThis is in the Midlands.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_East_England>Is it true that each monarch has his or her own drip for the palace guards?I dont care about the royals so idk.
>>214406731Any advice for someone who desperately wants to achieve that?
>>214407511give up
>>214407511Read more, watch more and maybe study more (if you are doing the actual exam)
>>214407922Will do, thanks!>>214407694NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
ich hab gewixt
>>214403636After thinking about it... C2:>EnglishC1:>French or Italian or Spanish>German or Dutch or Swedish/NorwegianB2>Japanese (It's not higher only because I don't think it's possible) >Russian or Portuguese >Spanish or Italian or French>Swedish/Norwegian or Dutch or German My priority is English and I'm wondering what would be complementary to English
>>214409185>My priority is English and I'm wondering what would be complementary to EnglishWhatever is spoken in a nation you like or want to move to.
>>214398922For meC2 in PolishC1 in SpanishB2 in Thai, PortugueseB1 in Japanese, GreekIf I were being even more ambitious, each of those would be a level higher (So as near-native in Polish as possible, i guess). It feels too ambitious as it is though. Polish and Spanish I have immediate uses for, whereas Thai and Portuguese are on the list because I like the countries/have acquaintances there. Greek and Japanese just because i think it would be neat to learn them, thus they are lower on the list. Thai is also a bit of an experiment because I'm curious to try the ALG approach with only comprehensible input. The others I have already adopted a more flexible approach to learning. I'm using lots of input still but also practicing speaking and pronunciation alongside some grammar study.
>>214406869I found this which makes a comparison with the receptive part of the cefr, but productive capability normally lags behind so maybe you could say it's high b1/b2+. Depends on the person I guess
>>214407186>maybe something exotic like Mongolian or RussianBasque is interesting to me, personally, but it shares a bunch of vocabulary with Romance languages so it might not be exotic enough for what you want
Started Anki again because new lang and holy shit I fucking hate this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe hahaFuck it. I'm just gonna raw dog it with Lute this time.
>>214410960anki is so easy, especially for a new language wtf??german or french which is more useful
>>214411305French if you want to read Ballsack and Dumbass.German if you want to read Cunt and Highnigger.
>>214411305>anki is so easyI dont know what it is about anki but it feels so soul draining to touch.Its like studying in a padded room with only artificial light at a psychward. It can be done and others thrive there, but there are so many nicer settings to do it in.
chinese is kinda fucking awesome desu, if only it wasnt so hard
>>214411539Words are meant to be together with other related words. Anki mixes everything up.
you're not C2 unless you can write university level academic essays in your TL
>>214411703It really is. >>214410887Best of luck, fellow learner. For me, I was thinking of Hindi/Urdu, but due to them (mostly Indians but Pakistanis too) have that whole anti-bias for Blacks I grew a distaste for their cultures. Basque? Isn't that the precursor to Euro Spanish? That's quite a based pick, anon. Based and medieval-pilled.
>>214412498i write university level academic essay with chatgpt
Do you use premade anki decks or make your own when you're learning a language?
happy labor day
>>214414578I use a premade conjugation deck and sentence mine my own vocab deck.
>>214414578premade because it comes with stuff like audio, example sentences, type of speech, special coloured highlighting, transliteration, hints to stop you getting confused etc...
Inpoot stats>August: 106.5 hours>Total: 1413 hours
>>214393769>I'm starting to sound like a caricatureWhat if you were to give some dude old american english instruction manuals and he starts speaking in a transatlantic accent. Much to consider.
>>214410018I like them all, that's the problem >>214416555I've already asked about this and people here wrote that I'd be a weirdo. My language ambitions when it comes to English are to play D&D in English without any difficulties, to be able to work as a salesman or that person who talks fast and bangs the hammer at auctions
The geniuses at L'Académie have another monumental innovation
>>214409185I'm gonna try and help you, lil bro.>French or Italian or SpanishGo with either French or Spanish. Just flip a coin once and commit to it.>German or Dutch or Swedish/NorwegianGerman. The others don't have enough inpoot material.>Japanese (It's not higher only because I don't think it's possible) It's possible but too hard, skip>Russian or Portuguese skip>Spanish or Italian or FrenchYou've learned the one that won on the coin flip, so the next one will be easier>Swedish/Norwegian or Dutch or German You've learned German, so the next one will be easier
>>214417150What is going on in france that they have a "bladder control fetishists" community? I didn't even know it was a thing.
>>214414578Pre-made for top 1000-2000 frequency decks. Then sentence mining using an extension to import words automatically.I'd never manually make cards. The time spent making cards is better used doing anything else.
>>214417394Visit /d/
Lmao
Sometimes I think it'd be fun to learn irish, then i remember its the language of insufferable faggots like these and i get a new urge to change my last name to eliminate any association
>>214417418Sentence mining, you'd have to sentence mine like 8k-18k words to get to the right number of words to be fluent. How do people do this? That's so many, and it seems time-consuming.
>>214418126>8k-18k words to get to the right number of words to be fluent.if they took the whole sentence mining thing seriously they'd need 80k+ cards because of polysemous words. not a problem with wordcard chads where you can just pick a single core meaning and be done with it.
>>214417246>either French or SpanishItalian seems more important in Europe than Spanish and less than French, but a bit easier than French and less than Spanish>German. The others don't have enough inpoot materialIdk. Swedish, Norwegian and Dutch have dubbing on Netflix, especially cartoons like Hilda, and that's still above my level. And I saw Easy Dutch and comprehensible input for both Swedish and Norwegian >Japanese>It's possible but too hard, skipMy main issue is that I'm old and it's not a fun being old japanese speaker. But it's lots of unique content >Russian or Portuguese>skipRussian would be semi useful here but yeah, it's not my priority The worst thing is that I will probably learn only one foreign language besides English at a somewhat passable level. But thanks anyway
i am learning portuguese for sex with white brasilian women
>>214398922My desire is to get to B2 Chinese, Japanese, & Korean.
>>214387794>Interlinguadamn this shit is actually pretty cool, it's like peak mental masturbation for someone that already knows a romance language since I can already understand most of the things and when I get confused at a word, and look up the translation, the word choice actually makes total sense. but I think they should've stolen more of the word endings from latin like -um -us -is, idk why but they just way more sovl than most of the endings we use right now
>>214421502I have like A1 French and Latin reading comprehension and I, as effectively a monolingual English speaker can understand 90% or more of written interlingua easily. Anything political is basically effortless. That’s the problem, it’s what an auxiliary language actually should be, i.e. mostly understandable to as many people across as many languages as possible, so it’s got none of the autistic impetus that clunky Esperanto has.In terms of the word endings I think they picked the ones transmitted in written form into germanic languages the most because it is more immediately comprehensible to everyone north of the alps/east of the rhine, since romance speakers otherwise have a huge leg up. To me the spellings largely feel like someone made the Romance counterpart to “Anglish” as a conlang.
>>214421502I think since it’s borderline dead as a conlang due to English largely wrecking its practical value in academic circles, one possible use for it is as a reading comprehension primer for English speakers trying to get into Romance. If they had a full interlingua Bible I would go for it and use it for that but since they don’t I’ve just been doing vulgate-first. I believe there was some study in Norway or something where they had one group of students study Spanish for a semester and another group study Interlingua, and then Spanish over the same timeframe, and the interlingua-primed group scored substantially higher in reading comprehension in the end.
>>214398922C2 - JapaneseC1 - Chinese, Korean, FrenchB2 - GermanI also want to dive into various old/ancient shit in Japanese, Chinese and Korean, and learn Latin as well.
>>214420178Man of culture as well. Shame we can't team up.
>>214406702>learning germanwhy, anon? for work?
I did not do any Spanish yesterday.
>>214422654Ah, CJK has been so done to death, we don't need it. Every other guy is an East Asian language enthusiast nowadays
>>214423173People who actually know them are ridiculously rare though. There's still some value left in being an "East Asian language enthusiast" that actually knows East Asian languages.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/activateyourjapanese/I was watching this on the TV today - was pretty good :)
