What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Comprehensible Input Wiki:comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familytheswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentsrentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki decksrentry.org/refold>>217445472
>>217515746you'll learn basque right?
>>217515978Nah, it's meme shite.
>>217516009Basque or Polish?
aaaaaand into the filter it goes
>>217515746I hope you don't come to Sweden. We have enough coomers here already.>>217515978Yes I will.>>217516009Expected opinion from a coombrain.
>>217517181Calm down Ahmed
>>217512424My hobby is drinking alcohol and playing video games. I only learn languages for the dream of fluency.
>>217517181>I hope you don't come to Sweden.Don't worry, Olle. I wasn't planning on it.Why do you get so butthurt when people post beautiful women?It's just some eye candy for the bread.>>217517870Bideo gaymes are cool. Are you gonna stay up and watch the Game Awards tonight?
>>217515978basking in the glory of nipponese maybe
>>217518036Nah, it's not worth potentially losing some precious sleep gains for that.
>>217515978Welsh seems better than basque
>>217515746I doubt anyone remembers but I posted in a thread in July about having to learn german in a 3 month time span so I could apply for a spousal visa here and the replies actually gave me confidence in my abilities and I passed my A1 exam with a 90/100 and got my residency permit so yay thank you all :D
>>217515978no, pero quiero aprender español, y quiero pretender ser un caballero medieval
Top 3 langs to learn: Spanish, Portuguese, and Catalan.
Any pros for Russian ? I have the motivation but 99 % about this country/culture is horrible
>>217520786>I have the motivation but 99 % about this country/culture is horriblethen why are you learning it
>>217520905I unconsciously always wanted to since I was very young, can’t explain it’s just very into me. However, they’re terrible and everyone hates them which is understandable You know what I mean …..><
>>217517732>>217518036Kys subhuman trash
>>217520786there's no point learning it if you don't like the country or culture. learn Polish or Czech or Slovenian or whatever the most westernized Slav is
>>217521199> :( They are also more difficult than pyccкий by far since they have t been simplified. Polish is insane and Czech isn’t as far off from my understanding (and less speakers too)
>>217521147Rude.
>>217509258i have not used that site before. i can personally recommend the book "complete danish", which can be found for free and has audiobooks.there is a good site for grammar too, https://basby.dk/modul1/why danish?
>>217521291Fuck off degenerate, kys
>>217518284based af
>>217518284congrats!
>>217521257Real talk? Polish isn't significantly more difficult than Russian, if it even is at all. If you'd find Polish too difficult, Russian would be too difficult for you as well.
Real talk how the fuck do I get around the fact that beginner content doesn't exist in my target language? Nothing like Dreaming Spanish or Comprehensible Thai or TPRS can be found. Yes I've looked on the wikis and the archives above. Don't I need tens of hours of stuff to even begin reading the most basic books?
>>217523620stop being a special snowflake and learn a real language where those resources are plentiful
>>217524050I'm not learning it for fun, I fucking hate this stuff. I'm learning it because I have to. Also it has 60 million speakers and is western european, this isn't some meme language like piraha.
>>217524110Why do you have to learn Italian?
>>217524128To talk to my girlfriend's family
>>217523620>>217524110Grind Harry Potter
>>217524231lmao cuck
>>217524496Elaborate. I've tried reading beginner stuff and graded readers and it's all incomprehensible. Either I just translate every word in the sentence in which case I'm reading English, or I translate a few words and just guess at the meaning, in which case the input isn't comprehensible.
>>217523620There are lots of materials for Italian. Try graded readers and interlinears.https://archive.org/details/LitalianoSecondoIlMetodoNaturahttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhfQonvCySTrKEUV742WzshJhttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-oT9eAmkZRUChttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=x8lkxZkOJfAChttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cNk9AAAAYAAJhttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hSJXAAAAcAAJhttps://archive.org/details/storiesfromital00panigoogAnna's Archive seems to be down right now but when it comes back up search for picrel.
>>217524561You aren't translating every word you're looking up the definition of wordsYou should know at least 1000 words already including a high proportion of function words and so you will be searching up nouns and verbs which will complete your understanding of a sentence
>>217523620>Don't I need tens of hours of stuff to even begin reading the most basic books?No, not if they're graded readers or interlinears. Also check out the 13 playlists for Italian here. I already posted one of them.https://m.youtube.com/@AyanAcademy/playlistsHe links some of the books in the descriptions to videos or on his website, others you have to google or search for on annas, hathitrust, internet archive etc.
>>217523620Also trylanguagereactor.comthey have some stuff directly on the website, but if you get the browser extension from there you can watch almost any youtube video in Italian with bilingual subtitles, for example these:https://m.youtube.com/@PeppaPigItalianoUfficiale/videos
think about all the foregone possibilities, and the dreams you shall never achieve
sanskrit should not be an official language of india anymore
>>217524958>>217525054>>217525266Anon this is just regular books with translations next to them, some of which are hundreds of years old. One of them is the fucking bible. What on earth makes you think this is beginner level CI?I think some of this stuff, like languagereactor, would be good at higher levels but right now I'm looking for stuff using CI like ALG or TPRS. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr8nHuFCQ2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxxJNDxQrZ4>>217525025>should know at least 1000 wordsDo you know what a beginner is? Knowing 1000 words is like 5% of the way to fluency.
>>217520786wdym? russian literature has some of the best authors in the world and you would get to master another writing system, undoubtedly russia is very racist but that shouldn't be a problem if you are white.
I have the opposite problem, i feel like russian literature is great, while french and german boast great intellectual traditions in philosophy . German particularly has great music, i like the way it sounds and also its unique structure and i think its complex grammar is a pro, not a con. French is also pretty but its sounds are harder to replicate i feel like, Chinese culture is not really appealing to me because due to censorship it they cant produce movies, music or books with explicit content and also i think mandarin sounds a little bit stupid, im sorry, i dont think its my fault, i think that anyone who grew up in the western hemisphere grew up in a culture that was somewhat sinophobic. I do like their writing system, i have a lot of respect for chinese people, i really admire them and i dont feel that way about any other asian languages, but it would be hard to try to speak a language correctly if you think it sounds "dumb". At the same time none of these languages really matter for tech, science or travel; no language does outside of english. I feel like with mandarin im missing out on some knowledge i dont really know what it is, but rationally i know it is not the case and reading stem books would be more rational. I feel like it's a real problem when people become serial language learners and they dont learn any real useful skills that can contribute to society as a result. I'm not sure if its possible to become a polyglot and still be highly competent at some technical skill and if it is not the case, i would rather remain a bilingual, worst case a trilingual beta.
>>217526013German still matters for some science and medicine and a couple of wildcard fields like archaeology. Also Taoism is a top tier philosophy, way better than 99% of western philosophy. Current china sucks yeah but historically they have some heavy hitters.Also STEM is a meme anyway. It doesn't get you a career like 30 years ago.t. philosophy student
>>217525507He's just retarded, end of the story. Always spams his useless links. Just ignore him
Sorry for extending my already prolix blogpost, but i wanted to add that the universities of any country will publish any important scientific discovery in english, because otherwise they would miss out on international recognition and collaboration. That is the case for the kind of scientific knowledge that can be shared, but there's also the kind of knowledge that cannot be shared (tech corporate secrets). Learning dutch will not enable you to do what ASML does, learning english will not enable you to do what nvidia does.
>>217525507Did you even look at the first two links? Picrel is from that book. Read it and listen to the audio in that playlist simultaneously.https://archive.org/details/LitalianoSecondoIlMetodoNaturahttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhfQonvCySTrKEUV742WzshJClick to enlarge picrel, then click to play this video:https://youtu.be/2YGwH92yoxI&t=12Now you got a preview.That's for absolute beginners. Really all my links are for beginners. Most of those links are INTERLINEARS, and yes they are for beginners. It's also called the Hamiltonian system, and it was championed by none other than John Locke, the philosopher.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlinear_glosshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hamilton_(language_teacher)https://theamericanscholar.org/the-new-old-way-of-learning-languages/https://www.latinum.org.uk/shadowing/interlinear-methodhttps://www.textkit.com/t/best-practices-or-personal-preferences-for-interlinear-texts/18873https://www.lucalampariello.com/read-with-interlinear-books/https://www.fluentlanguage.co.uk/blog/interlinear-books-a-powerful-language-learning-toolHere's the graded reader from Anna's Archive I mentioned earlier:https://annas-archive.org/md5/c978003645a26b54f7950b316dc17c48I haven't tried it, but I've used the German and Spanish counterparts from the same publisher and they're both great.The book in picrel is ACTUAL comprehensible input, the original definition of it, the Anna's Archive link is also comprehensible input. Interlinears are another method of learning, a great method.
Fuck off back to your thread on lit Sven Nobody here wants your linkspam and redditspacing
>>217526728So it's several centuries out of date. And John Locke was an extremely shitty philosopher. I'm looking for audio-visual content, I already showed you examples.
Niggas really be out here saying Italian has zero comprehensible input because they don't want to read a book.
>>217527073Yeah, the first link is with audio and pictures. So what if some of it's old. Ask chatgpt. I don't consume that kind of garbage. Take it or leave it. Pearls before swine.
>>217527026no you fuck off coombrain
>>217526122kys low iq coomer
>>217527219You know that compelling input is an important part of CI right? Go ahead and read the nature method book and tell me you found it compelling. I've read it in the past, it's dull as fuck.>>217527241Screenshots of a book are not visual input. I swear every one of you languageniggers will just throw any old crap into a comment and act like it's a gift even when it's not what is asked for. Do you faggots just get high over how much irrelevant crap you can download so long as it's vaguely about languages? Are you aware of concepts like efficacy and efficiency? All input is supposed to be at least 98% comprehensible and highly compelling. This has been well known in language education for years. So why do all of you persist in giving shit that isn't that?
>>217527381Coomers aren't exactly known for having an inquisitive mind.
>>217523620Which language?
>>217527381stop being autistic and grind anki+grammar until your vocabulary is enough to understand.ci is just impractical at the beginning
> Posting irrelevant lust provoking images with the sole purpose of making the Swede have a meltdown.based, keep them coming please
>>217527381>You know that compelling input is an important part of CI right?Are you brain-dead? It's literally just text and pictures and audio in simple sentences, a great start. Add some pronunciation videos on YouTube like these from Fluent Forever, maybe some course on yt, and you're set. I'm starting to think the Swedemuslim is right. The DS you gave as an example is boring as hell but with cute and quirky girls and after hours of studying you only remember a few dozen words and don't know how to use them. It's slacking around and wasting time. Learn basics and start talking with cute girls online, it's much better than para social relationship with some CI girls
Heute bin ich ganz deprimiert
>>217527381The only non-negotiable part is that input should be comprehensible. If it's compelling, rich, abundant etc. that's even better, but you have to use the resources that you have if you want to make progress. My first month of Swedish I was grinding texts from Assimil and Colloquial Swedish. It didn't rock my socks off, but it got the job done and I quickly moved on to graded readers and tv series.>>217529196>sole purposeNot really, I just think the thread needs a little more beauty. Also her game is good input and available in 10 languages, so it's highly relevant to language learning!>>217529383Was ist passiert?
>>217526013>i think that anyone who grew up in the western hemisphere grew up in a culture that was somewhat sinophobicI don't know, I feel like media didn't really make them the bad guys much. It was mostly Russia or Arabs. Or like Eastern European organized crime and stuff. Very rarely was China really a villain in media I ever watched growing up.Like Mulan was very Chinese. Kung Fu Panda. To some extent Avatar the last Airbender was as well. All show like a long gone China, but it was a good vibe, never really a bad one. Additionally I recall going to theme parks as a kid like Epcot or that one place like epcot in spain which had Chinese themed areas and I found them very interesting lol.But I guess I did grow up during the peak of middle east wars and Islamic terrorist being enemy number one.The only people who were really trying to make China seem big and scary were corpos and politicos - and when you're a kid you kinda just don't care about what they say.
>>217529556Alle meine Freunde sind entweder bereits verheiratete oder romantischen Beziehungen haben, und ich fühle mich ganz überrascht und bestürzt dass ich der letzte allein schließlich wurde.
>>217529863Deepsneed corrected:*Alle meine Freunde sind entweder bereits verheiratet oder haben romantische Beziehungen, und ich fühle mich ganz überrascht und bestürzt, dass ich schließlich der Letzte allein geblieben bin.
>>217529819I get that, i was talking more about casual racism than an institutional effort by the u.s. government or hollywood, especifically the asian eyes thing or the 'ching chong' joke. I suppose they were the most frequent target of racism internationally before pajeets took that spot.
>>217529917>I suppose they were the most frequent target of racism internationally before pajeets took that spot.I guess they were now that I think about it. I always kinda thought it was a cope due to getting their ass kicked in vietnam.
>>217525507Try some meme apps like Duolingo. Learn a few hundred words and how the language works. Should be enough to move to graded readers and some Anki deck of 1K+ words to grind.
>>217526097>German still matters for some scienceSorry man, this is language learner cope, any language outside of English is useless. I still concede that german is beautiful and their literature and music are great. We should, like any other community of hobbyists, admit that our hobby is useless but fun.>Current china sucksTheir government is repressive, but modern China doesn't suck, there are many things that thirdie governments should learn from them in terms of their politic, educational and economic models.>Also Taoism is a top tier philosophy, way better than 99% of western philosophy.I have yet to read ancient Chinese philosophy but it has nothing to do with contemporary chinese. Sun tzu and Confucius wrote their books in classical chinese, reading them in simplified chinese would be like reading Plato in modern greek instead of ancient greek, its inauthentic.
>>217527381I downloaded a book (for free) that has nothing to do with language learning and im 80 pages in, Opera is great because if you close the app, the next time you open it, the pages you had opened will still be open; with books, it takes you back to the first page, but that is still better than having to open the file every time you want to read it. Anyway, the reason why i bring this up is to know if anyone has other tips to navigate language learning with resources downloaded for free (meaning i dont have kindle or anything). My local library doesnt have books to learn mandarin, just russian, arabic, french, german.
>>217529863>>217529904Ja, das ist schwierig. Ich bin auch allein aber ich bin es gewohnt und ich bevorzuge es eigentlich. Ich denke immer an dieses Zitat von Schopenhauer:>Heiraten heißt, seine Rechte halbieren und seine Pflichten verdoppeln.Deine Freunde sind nicht unbedingt glücklich, sie könnten sogar einsamer als du sein, obwohl sie jemanden haben. Beziehungen können definitiv schön sein, aber sie bedeuten auch immer dein Freiheit zu opfern.
>>217530322>German musicBeethoven, Strauss, Mozart, some old rock bands and today's generic euro trash rap with nafri larping. Maybe some niche metal projects.Besides, it's one of the most important languages after English in the world and for sure in Europe due to the number of speakers, countries, their economies, political influence on surrounding countries and the world etc.Well, of course I agree that English is the most important language in the world, but I think that Chinese or simply languages of other political, military, philosophy traditions like French are interesting and worth to learn to not to fall into the American perspective like copy pasting reps vs dems conflict in many countries
I'm switching language again. I feel like Jordie... In the past two years I've gone from Tagalog -> Polish -> French (maintenance) -> Portuguese -> CebuanoIt's been a mix of family reasons and ambitions of moving abroad, but I realized that my grandparents probably aren't gonna be around 10 years from now and I want to be able to speak to them in their native language before it's too late. All that other shit can wait, this has the most pressing time limit.I really hope I can stick with Cebuano, but it has very mediocre resources and materials, which is why I've put off learning it. But I think now is the time.
Anyone learned/is learning Russian and what’s the positive sides about it ?
>>217531162german pales in comparison to other major european languages because they didn't maintain a strong colonial presence anywhere and their soft power was deliberately sabotaged after WW2. nowadays it's only useful for dealing with german speaking countries which is a far cry from when it was the lingua franca of eastern europe (alongside french)I would say it's like the 5th most useful european language, being a bit behind russian (which is rapidly losing importance)
So apparently I have to learn a foreign language for uni, doesn't matter which one.Any recommends for putting in the least effort to get my A1/A2? German native, my English is goodish, cheated my way through Latin in school
>>217531548> German native, my English is goodishNorwegian or Swedish.Dutch might be easier still, but come on, have some self respect.
>>217531672Dutch is HARD Norwegian is supposed to be a easier but they have 10 trillion accents and two languages in one lmao
>>217531880Dutch is literally German on easy settings. No cases, regular plurals, one less gender, etc
>>217531944The “H” sound );
>>217531672>>217531944>no casesI'm fucking sold. Cheers
>>217521084autism
>>217531548I assume there's only a certain few you can pick from? What's the list?>>217518284based fellow learner and wife haver>>217520786find something about the culture you do like. Maybe you wanna read Russian literature, or you're really into Central Asia/steppe qts, or Russian music, or you're interested in Orthodoxy (the most mystical major branch of Christianity), etc. If you don't like the culture, your motivation will eventually wither away when it gets really hard learning the grammar and stuff.>>217523620Torrent pimsleur Italian and maybe assimil. Get a standard classroom textbook as well. Keep doing those until you can understand children's media. You can also use media you know really well by heart in your native language. I like watching Spongebob and the Simpsons in my TLs since I have the episodes effectively memorized.
>>217532104Nah it's literally any modern foreign language ie no ancient Greek, Latin etc
>>217531880> Norwegian is supposed to be a easier but they have 10 trillion accents and two languages in one lmaoVerken dialektene eller nynorsk vil ha noen betydning for en som bare vil lære språket til A1/A2-nivå.>>217532054Also no cases in the Norwegian and Swedish, just to be clear.
>>217520786There is some decent literature I guess, but it's mainly sad and depressing, and a lot of it is not actually as great as it's made out to be. And the current situation with the country/culture is even worse.
>>217531162i hadn't thought about Mozarthttps://youtu.be/W3q8Od5qJio?si=Hc80vFzRLLVaPO8k> German is one of the ost important languages in the world and for sure in EuropeJust in Europe, which is more than enough, but it is because Germans never had colonies in other continents the way France, Portugal Spain and Britain did. You have a good point when you say that only speaking English corners you into a worldview and a series of narratives that eventually get boring.
>>217532157Yeah if that's the case Dutch will be a breeze. Only reason to not pick it imo is if you hate the Dutch and are really interested in some other culture
>>217532233Yeah true… the best person who saved my life learnt it, I like its geography and how it’s dilapidating/online gore videos allCome from this place. Again…. I like arctic countries so Norwegian can also be cool.Politically, I wonder if Russian can still be good or actually not good - ? I listen to a lot of radio stations from there, and I also watch dumb Americans who moved there because of propaganda (lol)
>>217532104Where can you find the links to download books and audio? (outside of 4chan)I only know about ru.tracker
>>217532280I've been quite disappointed with learning French because although they do have a different worldview than the Anglosphere, it's not too different. Most (western) Europeans have a pretty similar range of worldviews/opinions/media, but each culture tends to emphasize one subset within that range more. Meanwhile as a Tagalog learner, I know that the Filipino worldview/opinions/media is completely different beast, which makes it more fun to explore the culture and language, rather than everything just being mapped 1:1.
>>217531515English, French and German are the most important languages of Europe. Then ex aqueo Italian, Spanish, Russian (Russian more in the East and Germany, Spanish more on the West)>>217531548Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Norwegian>>217532023It's the easiest part of the Dutch>>217532280Still, old classical music and that's it. And it has little to do with language >Just in Europe One of the biggest economies and exporters on the world. The importance of the German language and German companies will probably increase in Latin America because after China cuts off and Mercosur Germany is looking for new markets.
>>217532443it's not something i can just ask in chat gpt or gemini due to copyright infringement lawsi looked it up on reddit and read a few articles but i nonetheless wanted to know if i was missing something, or if you guys simply download stuff from the links provided in this thread.>>217532539They were a spanish colony and later an american territory, i dont know to what extent that has made them culturally closer to western europe or the anglosphere than to Asia.
>>217523620Depends on what the language is - if it is too unpopular you're kinda cooked. In the beginning stages, I normally use either Pimsleur or LanguagePod101/LanguageClass101 (i.e. GermanPod101 or ChineseClass101, etc) depending on if I can actually hear the words in the Pimsleur or not. If I can't hear them and it just sounds like gibberish, I use the LanguagePod101 stuff because it actually has transcripts for each thing.All are free on the internet. I quite like the languagepod101 shit, honestly as its like quite contained and comprehensive and in conjunction with reading and CI will get you quite far - but its quality does kinda vary between languages though, and I would never pay a penny for it.Anything worth using is free on RuTracker or /t/ basically.
>>217525507there is a lot of Italian CI listed herehttps://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Italianthis channel specifically is labelled as "Starts from Absolute Beginner" so probably what you're looking for, I see some videos tagged A0-A1https://www.youtube.com/@italianosi/videos
>>217532443I got some Assimil (French, German, Russian, Japanese) with audio from https://annas-archive.org/but the file size is large and download speed is very slow there
>>217532443Books annas archive is goodAudio I have no clue. r/priracy probably has a list for that
>>217533247>>217533378thanks
>>217532443rutracker is what i mostly useslsk has some stuff too"book name pdf" on google tends to work well as well
>>217515746this game was incredibly bad for my agp
Should I make a YouTube channel about my language learning experiences ? Would probably just be private/for practice purposes only
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>>217515746I'm American and I've developed sudden autism over italy. How hard is it to find Italian language versions of things? Thinking about learning Italian and than maybe Spanish. Is Italian language manga and anime dubs relatively easy to find online? Everyone always tells me that French is a beautful language but I honestly find italian far prettier.
>>217533989>I've developed sudden autism over italyWhat UNESCO world heritage food does to a motha fucka
>>217533782yes that is true, you didn't need an ai to understand that to be honest
how can I outperform my friend who have an exceptional brain when it comes to language learning
>>217533716about learning basque?
>>217534212*who has
>>217534212Get them addicted to alcohol or opiates. They will spiral into stupidity.
>>217534105its the closest modern language to latin. Even shitty Netflix italian anime dubs sound pretty to me.
>>217534212hard work and guts
>>217534296>its the closest modern language to latin. Even shitty Netflix italian anime dubs sound pretty to me.Its okay to admit you want to learn it because of Pasta. Nothing wrong with that.
Good ressources for Russian and Norwegian on Anna’s archive ? Trying to download books
>>217534212I guess your only option is to confess your love to your fried.
>>217526013Si ya sabes hablar inglés, en realidad no hay ningún otro lenguaje que valga tanto la pena. A menos de que estés estudiando alguna mamada muy específica, siempre va a haber mejor material en inglés que en cualquier otro lenguaje.Yo estudié francés por varios años, pero no tengo absolutamente ningún uso práctico para el lenguaje. No hay sitios web en francés para perder el tiempo, no hay mucha gente que hable francés (o que quiera hablarlo en lugar del inglés) con uno, el entretenimiento que producen es bueno pero muy límitado, ni siquiera hay trabajos que requieran que hables francés, etc.Aunque es un lenguaje muy divertido de aprender por ser tan similar al español/Inglés. Si tu pronunciación del inglés es buena, entonces no vas a tener mucho problema para aprender a hablar francésLlevo muchos años aprendiendo japonés también, pero ya me da mucho cringe el ánime, aparte de que a pesar de tener tanto tiempo estudiando aún no puedo leer noticias o cosas más complejas. La gente de verdad no tiene en consideración cuánto tiempo realmente conlleva aprender un lenguaje asiático.
>>217515746>>217518036>>217521291>>217527219>>217529556>>217531548thou spreads porno, thou are wholly from wit
>women or drawings in clothes>porno
>>217534296that was my reason for Italian too kekthough I think Spanish may sound even prettier
>>217533716>>217534234every basque learner ought to be documented on youtube
every now and then someone mentions Lute, so I decided to check it, and while it looks useful, it lacks the basic ability of importing an offline dictionary. You can look up wiktionary and other sites, but it's annoying when they open in a pop-up window. That's why simple Yomitan is still superior, at least for East Asian languages (haven't tried it for European langs). If they implement this ability, then Lute will be a great tool. Some ChatGPT/other AI integration would also be nice
>>217529556Serbianon when you start a new language from scratch do you start off with Assimil or frequency dictionaries or what? Like what do you the very first day from deciding to start learning? Also a bit of a silly question but would school textbooks be a bad idea to get a very basic base on a language before branching out or is that too outdated
A lot of the languages I find most intriguing are attached to fairly conservative cultures and countries.As an LGBT person, this sometimes demotivates me… the idea that if I make friends with someone from my target culture they’re statistically likely to think I’m disgusting is just… ugh. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.I try to not think about it, but as the years go on the feeling always comes back.I suppose could go learn something like Danish or Swedish or whatever, yet my heart yearns for Persian, Indonesian and Mandarin etc etc.How do you get over this?
>>217532443>>>/t/1325223
>the imperfect subjunctive is indistinguishable from indicative future for verbs ending in -arI will never be fluent in this language.
>>217538508>I suppose could go learn something like Danish or Swedish or whatever, yet my heart yearns for Persian, Indonesian and Mandarin etc etc.>tfchecks out
>>217538932do you even know what a subjunctive mode is?
>>217536403retard
>>217538236Is it hard to install? I currently have a shitty chromebook so it might not even work. I plan to buy a better laptop soon.
>>217539095It's very easy to install and I think it will work on virtually any computer. Though I must say I don't really like it myself, but since you aren't using any SRS it's probably an upgrade.
>>217534296i have the same sentiment but instead of italian it's with spanish since the amount of content in the two is vastly different
>>217538932Doesn't seem that strange other than the preterite perfect being a thing along with past perfect (seems redundant imo) and there being a negative imperative form. You'll get used to the rest with use it's just that they crammed all the conjugations into one image so it seems intimidating. If a dumb brown sandnig (me) could understand this with French in school then so can you i believe in you Anon
>>217538267Yeah, frequency dictionary + whatever basic A0 reading/listening material I can find, usually Assimil or some reader or textbook. I'm sick of flashcards so now my approach is to just read and do lookups with Lute, re-read texts every few days in order to review and listen to the audio to get an idea of how to pronounce things.Textbooks are okay, but if you read it from cover to cover and do all the exercises, you'll just get bogged down in the details and you'll move at a snails pace. Just treat it as a collection of text and audio that you can use as a ladder to build your understanding, the rest is just fluff that gets in the way.>>217538508Maybe just don't tell people about your orientation if you're that worried about it? LGBT people survived centuries by simply keeping their shit on the down low.
>>217536046I think i have a compulsion to at least learn one foreign language, its not a rational calculation.>Si tu pronunciación del inglés es buena, entonces no vas a tener mucho problema para aprender a hablar francésI disagree, french vowels and the french r sound very different from anything in english.> No hay sitios web en francés para perder el tiempo, no hay mucha gente que hable francésgo to the french general, /francofil/ or something you could also go the french community in plebit >>217536046>Llevo muchos años aprendiendo japonés también, pero ya me da mucho cringe el ánime, aparte de que a pesar de tener tanto tiempo estudiando aún no puedo leer noticias o cosas más complejas. La gente de verdad no tiene en consideración cuánto tiempo realmente conlleva aprender un lenguaje asiático.Yeah well the main appeal of Japan is literature i think, i dont really like anime either although they have some stuff that has caught my attention somewhat>>217538508 i also feel weird about the prospect of learning russian because i understand every country has progressives and reactionaries, but russians and eastern europeans do tend to have an image of being more 'chuddy' >yet my heart yearns for Persian, Indonesian and Mandarin etc etc.why indonesian? i understand that farsi is considered good for poetry (although i prefer modern /lit/erature) and they had many notable empires, their architecture is pretty, but i never heard of anyone learning bahasa or whatever language they speak in indonesia.Mandarin would be a pragmatic choice for me i think, im not saying its pragmatic to learn mandarin, but if i have already settled on at least learning one foreign language, mandarin makes sense.>>217533589>>217538892Thanks
>>217538508how about not copy and pasting a pearl clutching reddit post in a certain language learning subreddit word for word, you gargantuan faggot.
>>217539624sorry for the wall of text, im not sure if it looks like this due to the spacing
According to linguists every other word in a Celtic language is actually from English, or Norse depending on how they feel.But closer examinations upon these words finds that virtually none of them can actually be traced to the mythical "proto-Germanic" language
>>217539624 it would be kind of cool to have a keyboard with the cyrilic and latin alphabets (although its not really necessary if you memorize the placement of each letter in the latin keyboard i think).Owning books written in russian would also be cool.
>>217539660It was so absurd that I had to share the joy
>>217539283>but since you aren't using any SRS it's probably an upgrade.?
>>217530659Ja, was du sagst ist wahr. Allerdings glaube ich dass das Problem mein Selbstwertgefühl ist. Ich kann nicht anders, als Vergleiche machen und mir fragen "Was sind die Qualitäten, die sie haben und mir fehlen?".Ich glaube es ist fest verbindet meiner Lust verschiedene Sprache zu lernen. Ich habe verschiedene Ziele und neige dazu, ihnen zu viel Wichtigkeit zu geben, und verbinde mein Selbstwertgefühl mit ihnen. Ich denke oft, dass wenn ich Deutsch oder Französisch (oder beide) spräche, ich mich sehr erfüllt fühlte, und schließlich eine Freundin hätte, die mich bewundert.
>>217539953>??
>>217527073>extremely out of dateFuck you, I hope your girlfriend leaves your cretin ass.Out date is an euphemism for not having enough anglicisms in it, everyone would understand that Italian and it's probably written with more care than modern day books.He is giving you all those resources that are good and you simply don't want to put in the necessary work.
>>217541050Mama mia...
>>217539660>>217539946
Behold my creationvideo player with:automatically generated toggleable interlinear glossingand anki mining with one key
>>217541788>anki mining with one keyInterest piqued
>>217541788FOSS or kys
>>217541788Tell me more anon
>>217523620maybe dont be a hipster faggot and stop trying to learn polar greenlandic
>>217542131Someone has to keep languages alive for future generations
>>217540836Na ja, wenn du es wirklich schaffen könntest, viele Sprache schnell zu lernen, das würde dir einen kurzfristigen Boost geben, aber ich glaube nicht, dass du ein festes Selbstwertgefühl haben kannst, solange es darauf basiert ist, was andere Leute über dich denken. Echtes Selbstwertgefühl kommt wenn du aufhörst, um Erlaubnis zu bitten, dich selbst zu respektieren. "Sie bewundert mich, also kann ich mich jetzt auch selbst lieben" - es ist eine schöne Idee, aber es bricht zusammen, wenn du erkennst wie schnell und leicht Menschen ihre Meinungen ändern, besonders Frauen. Eine Woche bist du ein tolles Polyglot, aber nächste Woche brauchst du wieder einen neuen Trick.
>>217542273seelisch geschädigte hände verfassten diesen beitrag, aber im grunde hast du recht
>>217538508Many of those "conservative cultures" are probably tamer than Western conservatives unironically. There, being conservative is just normal Whereas Western conservatives are out here writing shitty poetry with their period blood and transvestigating Andrew Tate.
>>217538960Yes I know the theory of itand I'm getting better at knowing when it should he used, but now I have this suprise thrown at me.
>>217542273Was ich glaube, ist dass man ein Mönch sein müsste, von den Meinungen anders nicht beeinflusst zu sein. Ich bin ein normaler, typischer Typ. Ich habe weltlichen äußerlichen Wünschen, beispielsweise von einer anderen Person geliebt zu sein.Meine Kumpeln erfolgreich zu sehen, hat mich eine Mischung aus Gefühle vermittelt. Ich freue mich aufrichtig für sie, aber ich habe nie gedacht dass ich der Letzte allein geblieben würde. Es ist sehr schwierig mich nicht mit ihnen zu vergleichen, und zu wundern warum sie alle das haben, was ich versäumt habe.
>>217543913Deepsneek corrected:*Was ich glaube, ist, dass man ein Mönch sein müsste, um nicht von den Meinungen anderer beeinflusst zu werden. Ich bin ein normaler, typischer Typ. Ich habe weltliche, äußerliche Wünsche, beispielsweise davon, von einer anderen Person geliebt zu werden.Meine Kumpels erfolgreich zu sehen, hat in mir eine Mischung aus Gefühlen ausgelöst. Ich freue mich aufrichtig für sie, aber ich hätte nie gedacht, dass ich als Letzter allein geblieben wäre. Es ist sehr schwierig, mich nicht mit ihnen zu vergleichen und mich zu fragen, warum sie alle das haben, was ich versäumt habe.When I read the corrected version, I can tell so clearly how much better it is, yet I would not be able to produce it.
feel like you're stuck? not progressing? just input more bro
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>>217541788Link?
>>217541788>>217541912sounds pretty easy to vibecode desu, i might try to.
>>217529556>>217527219>>217515746based serbian poster, post more aurore
>>217545723I've wanted to try it myself too, but the complication that prevented me from trying is figuring out a way to accurately extract the clip at the correct timestamps without overlapping with other dialogue. I thought about making some function to try to isolate lines of dialogue, and offer a way to adjust the timestamps, but ultimately it sounded like too much for now. If you manage it please share it.
Norwegian OR Swedish : best ?
>>217546138Danish. They have the best books and movies of the three languages.
>>217546173True but the pronouciation is so terrible and that’s objective. Reason I didn’t include it
>>217546262>pronouciation is so terribleYou fell for a meme honestly. Its not that bad at all.
>>217545730>Oh la la, you learned le français all by yourself? I am very impressed. Time for your reward...>>217546138Svenska, but I shan't be elaborating.
>>217546138>learning the language of people who dont to talk to their own and sure as shit wont talk to youTime is not unlimited. Nordics are subhumans. Go learn something better
>>217546297Yeah maybe I’ll have to start re-listening to all languages and figure it out. But yes danish sounds awful, I listen to radio stations online so I’ve had a bit of a immersion
>>217532539i concur, i have the same problem with learning irish, as much as i try the lack of natural learning sources just hearing people talk is so little, and on top of that the ones that do exist are so, so normal.
>>217536227good job but a few mistakes!spreadst*smut* (from smutten, meaning dirty)art*witting* (no from)thou spreadst smut, thou art wholly witting.you could also say of wit but thats not standard. in scots to wit something is still a somewhat common verb. the german cognate wissen and the old norse cognate vit (thus Swedish vett) are related and make an easy way to remember new words. How would that be said in Swedish? same word order?
>>217546375To each their own. Danish sounds great to me. Swedish sounds the most fucked of all three.
>>217546553I agree is sounds funny (phonetically) it’s like they go up and down each time they talk I can’t stand it );
>>217546322"people will just respond to you in english" is bullshit. Unless you're visibly struggling to let out a single coherent sentence people will respond to you in whatever language you address them in
>>217546602>anon discovers pitch accentmad how this doesn't deter learners of Serbo-Croatian or Japanese
>>217547101>"people will just respond to you in english"The counter to this is to reply I don't speak English in the one you're trying to communicate in, and then if they try to again, you switch to a language like Vietnamese or just start swearing in Polish or some shit.
>>217546475top kek
>>217547173you're just being retarded at that pointwhy even attempt communication then?
>>217547225Nah you have a stick up your ass. Let a nigga struggle some. Sometimes you have to be in the situation to actually get used to it.If some donkey ass retard wants to swap to something you don't want to, they can get fucked. Make the language you want to speak in be the only one they can use.
>>217547173Yes that'll usually do the trick, otherwise you could say that in english with a really slow and made up accent
>>217546475>you could also say of wit but thats not standard. in scots to wit something is still a somewhat common verb.not that anon, but that's a noun in his original; bringing up the verb is kinda meaningless>witting* (no from)witting does not have any negative meaning; it's a participle or a gerund, if not a noun, and doesn't have any negation baked in>thou art wittingmeans you are aware, or in the know, not that you're out of your mind or senseless (without wit, like what the other anon wanted to say)>How would that be said in Swedish?Du sprider porr; du saknar vett (although I suspect anon directly calcqued 'från vettet' => 'from wit')alternatively, since it's meant to be old timeyI spriden pornografi; I saknen vett/ären helt från vettet
>>217547263>Let a nigga struggle some.this is only something that works in a vacuumfind people who have the time and patience for yourandoms on the street have neither to put up with that shit, which is what always see deranged retards complain about>hurr these people who don't have time nor interest to entertain me don't entertain meyeah, no shit, niggado something useful for once in your life and go off yourself if this how you reason
>>217547365>du saknar vettDu*vocative pronouns should be spelled with an initial capital letter
>>217547417>find people who have the time and patience for youAnd that is fine. However, simultaneously whats the worst that happens? Entertain it and then move on with your life. Its not like someone is genuinely going to take up an hour of your life on some barely strung together sentence are they.If they try to you just walk away.Take the stick out your arse and stop being such a rigid fuck.In the grand scheme of things, nothing matters anyway. You are all NPCs to be farmed for practice.
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>>217547365Oh, sorry then, i thought he meant from wit as in "you know of your mischievous actions", but from wit, never heard it said like that as "senseless". I would probably have just said lack wit or sense.Only "saknar" isnt a cognate, which is interesting. i was really hoping if it wasnt an english cognate it would atleast be a gádhlig na halban cognate since they got loaded with norse words back in the day, but it seems not there either. That being said reminds me of the irish word for window, a fuinneog, from windaugr if im not mistaken, is that familiar to swedes or do you use a seperate word?
>>217546311i can learn french for her
>>217547866Wouldn't be caught dead speaking a word of french. No amount of pussy will ever change that
ok, this is kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bDh_aqCPc
Trying to study Pomodoroly
>>217548121>Que rien ne change dans ma vieQue j'aie cette pensée
