they love to burn their money huh

I think the enemy spends much less money than this on the war.

>>217731275
Well... yeah. Rubles are worthless.

>>217730970
Who's paying for it

>>217730970
EU leaders decided not to steal Russian assets; they will take 90 billion euros for Ukraine from the pockets of ordinary Europeans.
Politico:

EU leaders failed to reach an agreement on using frozen Russian assets to provide financial aid to Ukraine.

Now, a joint loan agreement to provide Ukraine with €90 billion over two years is being considered. Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia, which oppose aid to Kyiv, are planned to be excluded from the general debt repayment scheme.

The new draft final statement of the summit provides for a temporary solution for medium-term financing.

In the final sentence, the leaders agreed to "provide Ukraine with a loan based on EU borrowing on capital markets, secured by EU budget reserves."

The result was a crushing blow for Merz and a victory for Belgian Prime Minister Bart de Wever.

>>217731324
(You)

why do faggots think muh taxes are more important than the major historical event unfolding in the EU's backyard, which is the deadliest european war since 1945? what the fuck is this gay accountant mentality whereby as long as your taxes are low you're okay with being fucked in the ass by whatever imperial power that has a functioning military?

>>217731326
>Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia
They're the next superpowers because they don't get to waste money.

>>217731324
All EU citizens except for Hungarians and Czechoslovakians.

>>217731379
>which is the deadliest european war since 1945?
And? Before that it was the Yugoslav war. Why should I be responsible for Slav shitflinging?

>>217731379
>why do faggots think muh taxes are more important than the major historical event unfolding in the EU's backyard, which is the deadliest european war since 1945?
You keep saying this but I still dont see why we shouldn't give a shit or waste money we'll never get back on a clearly lost cause. Better to go the route if diplomacy and end this shit instead of the retarded hard-headed gynocractic warmongering aabre-rattling the EU is trying to pull here

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>>217730970
>90 billion eurodollars to support a country that will inevitably be in ruins anyway
Is EU that rich? Where is that money coming from? Don't tell me the people would pay for it in rising prices through inflation? It cannot be...

>>217731508
It's 130 euros from each person in the EU.

>>217731379
There is someone somewhere rubbing their hands while waiting for the donation to end up in their pockets, it is a business and someone is growing fat off of this all

>>217731555
You forgot to subtract pensioners, children, and the countries who aren't part of it.

>>217731572
This
Coincidentally Monaco is full of supercars with Ukrainian number plates.

I think it's pretty brave for Euros to continue donating money to Ukraine, despite the 2 Ukrainian politicians who embezzled hundreds of millions of Euros and then fled to Israel.

>>217731508
The ruins are on your side.

>>217731583
What about Mohammed, his 3 wives, and his 12 kids, who are also not paying into this?

>>217731555
EU's working population that pays taxes is around 200 million according to google, so that means the average working Hans or Pierre is going to pay 500 eurobucks in rising cost of living.

>>217731326
>EU leaders decided not to steal Russian assets
And its good that they didn't, if they did financial markets in Europe would descend into chaos, Moody and Fitch said that they would downgrade Euroclears' credit rating if it handed over the Russian assets to the EU.

>>217731583
Pensioneers pay taxes here.
He substracted the non EU people.
He forgot to mention: per year.

Seems like not much but some will pay more than others. Also 130 bucks is a month salary in Russia. I wonder how high the russian bill is for this failed invasion. A million dead and 1000 $ per head?

>>217731433
the yugoslav wars were not as deadly in terms of casualties and most importantly they were part of a civil war. this war stems from russia's will to redraw the map by blietzkrieging capitals that disobey its will. a new century has begun
>>217731467
because you keep seeing it in terms of "who controls the most contended territory wins". but in reality, even if ukaine loses, the higher the human cost that is imposed on russia, the less likely it will be to try this shit again when the americans will have left the continent

If this was a nothingburger then these russian seethe threads would be needed, kek! Get in the trench Ivan

>>217731379
>why do faggots think muh taxes are more important than the major historical event unfolding in the EU's backyard,
Ukraine has lost the war, it doesn't matter if you give it €250 billion or €500 billion or a €1 trillion, what Ukraine needs the most is manpower, and it won't get it unless NATO troops personally fight against the Russian military, which will never happen. After 4 years if delusion its time to wake up, Ukraine won't won against Russia.

>>217731691
2 more vpns and russia wins

>>217731711
Please stop coping

>>217731608
Most russians are used to living in literal dirt and having outback toilets while surviving on 100 bucks a month or even less. You think majority of the population is going to give a fuck about their rising cost of living if it was shit to begin with?

Sure, russians are paying for the war too, but they're emotionally involved in it, they live and breathe this war, they already got relatives, husbands dead because of war, it's a text book reconquista example.

But is the average Pierre from Paris or Hans live and breathe this war? Are they ready to pay for it?

>>217731661
I think you're still approaching this from the wrong angle. Sure larger human losses will hurt Russia but you're also sacrificing Ukrainian lives essentially using them as a meat shield. Instead it's best to address the diplomatic issues that caused this in the first place. Russia benefits much more from trade with the European bloc than with war.

>>217731768
>they live and breathe this war,
getting raped in the barracks doesnt count though

>>217731779
Also they literally have a hundred million people. Ukraine doesn't.

>>217731324
your children

>>217731779
>Russia benefits much more from trade with the European bloc than with war.
Russia is getting balkanized Denis

>>217730970
Its good investment

>>217731824
True its kinda funny russians are trying to stop europe from giving aid to ukraine even though the aid will NEVER help ukraine o algo

>>217731691
>ukraine has lost the war
russia is still losing personnel at a rate of about 100/people per day to make extremely slow gains. we don't need ukraine to reclaim crimea, we need every russian town to have a monument to the fallen in the SMO with a thousand names, so they realize "gayropeans" will kill them when they try this again, because they will. the opposite belief that western capitals would be too scared of russia caused this war in the first place.
your concern trolling is gay and boring

>>217731816
Blind delusional 2 more weeks tier hope. Also not Denis he's a fucking retard.

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>>217731840
Dont mind him, russian tankers are getting hunted all across the world by "gayropeans" and our ukrainian bros. Its why they're seething here daily

>>217731779
let the ukrainians decide what they want for themselves. if they want to fight, help them fight. it's simple as that, the time for concerns about loss of life has been over since 2022

>>217731379
Everyone is liberal; from communists to reactionaries and fascists.

>>217731840
This war will never be won by any side, it will be eternal just like the ATO in the east of ukraine.
>russia is still losing personnel
It might as well be 1000 per day or 100000 per day, it doesn't really matter. What is your point?

>>217731840
>so they realize "gayropeans" will kill them when they try this again, because they will
I don't think they'll ever believe this just from the SMO. Europe isn't directly fighting in this conflict. And I don't think most Europeans are prepared for something like that anyway.
>the opposite belief that western capitals would be too scared of russia caused this war in the first place.
This war had nothing to do with Europe directly though. It was the result of years of diplomatic neglect and enabling of the Kiev regime to become more drastic.

Can't we just have some UN or Chinese or fucking Indian troops stationed in eastern Ukraine and just let the locals decide if they want to stay in Ukraine or go with Russia so we can get this mess over with?

>>217731899
>let the ukrainians decide what they want for themselves.
And how would you have that happen? I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians already want this to end. Only the elite doesn't because they're profiting directly from this conflict - both politically and monetarily

>>217731840
>russia is still losing personnel at a rate of about 100/people per day to make extremely slow gains.
Russia has said that this war is existential to it, they will continue advancing whatever the rates of their losses.
>so they realize "gayropeans" will kill them when they try this again, because they will
All the sabre-rattling from NATO leaders towards Russian in the past few months has done is convince Russia to ramp up its military production even more. And it also convinces Russia to take an even more hardline stance on Ukraine, where 4 years ago in April 2022 it would have annexed less Ukrainian territory, now a lot of Russians are convinced that they have to conquer Ukraine in its entirety.
>the opposite belief that western capitals would be too scared of russia caused this war in the first place.
Russia has stated numerous times that they invaded Ukraine to stop it from getting into NATO. Its not that Russia thinks Western leaders are too scared of it, its that it thinks Western leaders aren't scared enough of it, and didn't take it seriously when it warned against eastern NATO expansion.

>>217730970
this nigger got caught stealing money as portugal's prime minister and resigned.
then goes to become a leader in the EU instead
lmao, this continent is so fucked

>>217731931
This should have been the solution since like 2014. EU is just completely incompetent at diplomacy and the US was purposefully fanning the flames of conflict at the time because it directly benefits their MIC and energy sectors

>>217730970
And all this money will go to american defence contractors
Ursula is a foreign agent whose job is to redirect european money to her true leaders

>>217731951
This. You can pretty much justify anything with a war.
>elections
Lmao no, we're at war/SMO!
>economic prosperity
Lmao no, we're at war/SMO!
>global trade integration, diplomatic relations
Lmao no, we're at war/SMO!
>rising prices
Don't you know? we're at war/SMO!

Why would anyone want this to end? It's not the children of the elite who are dying in the trenches. Russian, Ukrainian and EU elites all get rich. Fun fact, most russian deputies have foreign passports and their children/wives all live in the west and enjoy their EU guaranteed liberties and wealth guaranteed by their husband's position in the russian government.

>>217731965
many such cases

>>217731912
when the united states is gone from europe it won't matter who controls the donbas or crimea. russia will be left with no real deterrents in its path to eastern european capitals.
the only reasonable thing left to do is to impose the highest possible human cost on russia while strengthening european militaries to a point where the combined effect deters putin from future blitzkrieg attempts.
there is no alternative. doing nothing will strengthen the belief that europeans have deluded themselves with the end of history mentality, where all that matters is individual happiness. we already let russia swallow abkhazia and crimea and that has only confirmed the kremlin's vision. whereas direct intervention would cause a world war. this is the most humanitarian option that doesn't involve total capitulation. I'm well aware that russia has an infinite cannon fodder cheat-code, and that is why its government thinks it can do anything

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>>217732007
>And all this money will go to american defence contractors
Or Ukrainian oligarch mansions in Israel.

>>217732007
Don't worry, some of it will be pocketed by corrupt government officials.

>>217730970
>Higher taxes to kill Russians
There's never been more worthy use for taxes

>>217731931
Why would China/India send their soldiers to protect the Ukraine borders against Russia? So far, the war is not affecting them in the slightest. India kept promising they would stop buying Russian oil/gas, but those were lies after lies. Even in front of Trump's "100% tariffs", they're still doing it.

>>217732115
>when the united states is gone from europe it won't matter who controls the donbas or crimea. russia will be left with no real deterrents in its path to eastern european capitals.
1. France and the UK have nukes, their nukes act as a deterrent.
2. Russia has stated multiple times that it doesn't want to attack the EU, if you still don't believe it, see point number 1.

>>217732211
>India kept promising they would stop buying Russian oil/gas,
Don't take the words of Indian oil companies, listen to what Modi says, and he has never said that India would stop buying Russian oil.

>>217731324
The Ukrainians. It's a loan.

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I don't understand what's so difficult about taking those russian assets and using them. The russians have already nationalized most foreign companies for their own gain anyway. Why didn't the EU make a total blockade for russia in 2022? just sink every ship trying to break the blockade. why didn't EU stop buying gas completely 4 years ago? IDGI.
what's with these constant half-assed slap on the wrist moves?
Do they want to punish russia or no?
>b-but muh economy!!
so what? it's completely irrelevant to achieving the political goals. Russia is spending 40% of its GDP on the war and these cuckolds in brussels keep prancing around. We should've gone totaler krieg mode 4 years ago already yet nothing ever happens

>>217731092
Yeah, money aint real anyway

>blyat the aid is not helping ukraine, the sanctions are not stopping russia but please stop doing them
oh no no hahahahah

>>217732213
yeah russia has stated it won't attack ukraine either
and look where we're now

>>217731661
At the time the Yugoslav wars were the deadliest conflict in Europe since 1945. That’s the shittiest rhetorical device on could use. Just tinker with the date and location enough until it sounds scary. In reality more people get killed in Brazil than in that “bloody” war.

>>217732320
Uiraine's economy is in tatters, it's not paying back €90 billion euros,

>>217731379
>why do faggots think muh taxes are more important than the major historical event unfolding in the EU's backyard
It's just a gay tranny "conflict" for a few eastern european shithole villages. Go outside and touch some grass, talk to a real woman even. Nobody will remember about that shit in 2-3 years.

>>217731092
It's not their money. It's the tax payers money

>>217732349
It's a dangerous precedent to make for the EU, as many other countries would reconsider depositing their assets if they can be seized without compensation the moment the EU deems it necessary. It's also a huge risk for the belgians in this case because theu have the majority of these assets. If the seizure is found to be illegal they would be liable and would be forced to pay back.

>>217732320
How much do they owe already? And how are they going to repay it?
>>217732349
>I don't understand what's so difficult about taking those russian assets and using them.
Because that's not how international monetary law works. European financial institutions operate on trust and breaking it would hurt those institutions and cause many to pull their assets.
>The russians have already nationalized most foreign companies for their own gain anyway.
The ones that pulled out of Russia did so willingly and sold most of their assets (also willingly).

>>217731379
They're just retards following le 'ecking 'epique donald trump.

No shit Ukraine needs to be helped and no shit there isn't any else. Even in the most cynically realist terms Russia is a shithole and nobodies friend - giving them a bloody nose is good business.

I mean fuck, Russia isn't anywhere near as powerful as Germany was, but consider the cost of 'ww2' if the French had just marched into Germany in 1936. How much lower than the actual cost of the war? That, on a far smaller scale, is what's happening. Christ, this is why plebs shouldn't comment on foreign affairs.

>>217732421
It will through reconstruction contracts and economic rights on rare earth metals in the donbass. That's one of the reasons why they are pushing so gard to win, they know they're over if they give it up

>>217732382
Which is why I referred to point number 1. If you really think Russia is coming for Western capitals, wouldn't €90 billion be better spent on the military of those capitals, rather than on country in crisis, with an exhausted military, and rampant corruption?

Strange how EU media has kept quite about the slew of recent corruption arrests in Ukraine, am I supposed to believe that the corruption doesn't extend to Zelenskyy and his close friends at the top?

>>217732421
Just like Germany couldn't repay anything after the war? Economies bounce back really quick from this stuff - so long as they're allowed to. Obviously circumstances are different; the overall declinism of modern economies means the bounce-back will be less, but it will still be there.

>>217732523
>>217732500
Ukraine is at risk of being conquered in its entirety by Russia, what would be left of Ukraine to pay back the loan?

>>217731393
No gibs from the EU. They are paying in another way.

>>217731691
They dont care bro, they're a bunch of trannies that get off on thinking about whites dying, this is why they spam gore videos. If it was up to them every single ukrainian would be on the trenches fighting for jewlenski.

>>217731951
when they really want the war to be over the'll just forcibly remove zelensky or start surrendering en masse. until then, the quality of ukraine's democracy under a state of emergency as theorized by their constitution is not our concern. the imperialistic country with ten gorillion soldiers and a desire to reclaim its influence over eastern europe is
>>217731961
listen, I really don't care who controls those podunk towns in the donbas. I can't even pronounce their names. all I know is that putin believes we're gay and retarded (he's right, look at this thread) and we won't do shit whenever he decides to strike, like in 2022. I don't know what amount of dead russian soldiers will make russian decision makers question themselves by asking "should we do this again in Riga, Vilnius and Tallinn?", but I know that what you are proposing, which is peaceful coexistence based on mutual economic ties, has failed multiple times because the russians follow a different rationale

>>217732523
Ukraine is on the verge of total demographic and economic collapse. The longer this conflict goes on, the less likely it is that it will ever recover
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-stares-down-barrel-population-collapse-2025-12-04/
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukraine-is-on-the-verge-of-political-collapse/
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/ukraine-russia-putin-war-peace/

>>217732476
>No shit Ukraine needs to be helped
The biggest help to Ukraine is a peace treaty, however harsh, as it ensures the continuation of Ukraine as a country.

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>>217732453
>>217732454
and who else is planning to illegally invade another country? shouldn't the message exactly be sent that this is what we we will do if you do that?
>sold most of their assets (also willingly)
yeah for 1€, it's just a paper move. In practice, nationalization. The EU could do the same, and in some cases already has, like some gazprom assets.
The message the EU now sends is that criminals won't be punished, you are free to do as you please.

>>217732630
seizing the assets is in itself illegal, committing an illegal act to punish an illegal act won't fly. If the EU does seize Russia's assets, the trust and reputation of Europe's financial sector would be severly damaged, this is why countries such as Belgium, Cyprus, and Malta opposed the asset seizure.

>>217730970
Price of freedom (unironically)

>>217732558
Realistically the only way Ukraine falls is if the government collapses. The zogdrones are getting slaughtered in record numbers and it's simply untenable long term. I mean look at how slowly they advance now with overwhelmingly superior numbers and a reckless disregard for life. If that's the best they can do the country is safe as long as they don't go broke

>>217732607
>when they really want the war to be over the'll just forcibly remove zelensky or start surrendering en masse.
There are already mass desertions happening.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukrainain-army-40000-desertions-month
https://kyivindependent.com/over-250-000-cases-of-desertion-and-unauthorized-abandonment-of-military-units-opened-in-ukraine-since-2022/
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-infantry-crisis-military-army-war/33497989.html
Most of these are some of the most pro-Ukraine sources that even exist and they're saying it's a huge problem
As for simply removing Zelensky lmao. How easy do you think that is in a war time situation espequally kek. Also considering most men are mobilized. And that Zelensky us purposefully continuously buttoning down the hatches to prevent this very thing from happening?

>>217732701
Who's freedom? Not the Ukrainian men kidnapped by thugs, thrown in vans, and thrown to the frontlines.

>>217732213
india and pakistan have nuclear weapons. so do india and china. so did russia when ukraine organized an incursion in the kursk oblast. did you see nukes fly in any of these conflicts? maybe the nuclear deterrent is weaker than we believe
>>217732398
I've made a distinction based on quality as well (civil war vs war of conquest), not just quantity, which you chose to ignore. that's the real bad rhetorical device here. whatever, have a good day

>>217732630
That sort of rationale could be applied if
1. The EU was morally consistent (which it isn't)
2. The EU could agree on anything (which it can't)
3. International relations were based on moral principles (which they're not)

>>217732711
Ukraine is in danger of losing Odessa and Kherson next year. Ukraine's military is exhausted, wars don't work the way you think they do, if a military collapses, they will lose ground very quickly. Look at WW1, where the German military lost very little ground in the first 3 years, then rapidly collapsed in the 4th year.

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>>217732700
if you go and beat somebody up, then the police are free to beat you up if you resist them. It's the same thing. and among who will this "reputation" be damaged? nobody who follows the rules are in any danger. as I said, shouldn't this exactly be the message the EU SHOULD send?

>>217732823
Damn thats crazy we gotta send more aid then

>>217732870
>nobody who follows the rules are in any danger
"The rules" don't exist, they're being made up on the spot, that's the problem.

>>217732736
>india and pakistan have nuclear weapons
That's the reason this year's conflict between the. didn't escalate into a war.
>so do india and china.
That's the reason why they both agreed to limit deployment of weapons at their disputed border.
>so did russia when ukraine organized an incursion in the kursk oblast
Using nukes against Ukraine had no benefit for Russia, and would resulted in catastrophic diplomatic fallout.

America's conventional military presence in Europe does little to deter Russia, by the way. Most American troops in Europe are in Germany, there are few NATO troops in the Baltic countries, and if Russia wanted to it could invade those countrie before NATO could organise their defence. So my earlier question still applies, why give €80 billion to Ukraine instead of using it to strengthen EU member's militaries?

>>217732870
There is NO existing legal mechanism for seizing Russia's assets, the IMF has already said that such a seizure wiuld be illegal

>>217730970
every europoor pay 200€ for this crap. fuck this i want my 200€ back!

>>217732823
WW1 is a great analogy specifically because the thing that gave way first wasn't the army but the home front. They surrendered not because they lost on the battlefield but because the civilian population was hungry, ridden with disease and blockaded. I know the krauts started losing ground in 1918 but it was far from an all out collapse. Which is the point of a war of attrition. You can lose some battles but win the war.
Even now the ukies want to keep fighting while the Russians are mostly apathetic and increasingly tired. They don't have a long term advantage as long as the west continues to provide support.

>>217732202
quintessential butthurt belter post

>>217732523
Not the best comparison because Ukraine is a largely agrarian state while Germany pushed out most patents in Europe before WW2 and the world pre WW1. Then there’s also demographics.

>>217732823
Two more weeks then?

>>217731787
hahaha GOT 'EM

>>217733001
pretty sure invading other countries (except in self defence) is against the "rules"
>>217733039
then make one?
>If you illegally invade another country, your assets may be seized in order to reimburse the defending party
wOOOAAAAAwww so hard.....
what's with these fucking excuses?

>>217730970
good. i certainly don't want to get invaded by russia which is what will happen if ukraine falls.

>>217731768
>Most russians are used to living in literal dirt and having outback toilets while surviving on 100 bucks a month or even less. You think majority of the population is going to give a fuck about their rising cost of living if it was shit to begin with?
Why are you people like this?
You would rather see your neighbors reduced to your level, than rise above them through your own work.

>>217733156
Imagine unironically thinking this

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>>217732870
see pic related

>>217731641
>Moody and Fitch said that they would downgrade Euroclears' credit rating if it handed over the Russian assets to the EU.

So Moody & Fitch are covert ciphers for monarchies & their ciphers like ruzzia.

Good to know from now on...

>>217732517
but that country in crisis is still holding russia at bay? do you realise that war has been going on for almost 4 years now and the frontline barely moved for the last 3?
but yeah let's just tell them to surrender, I'm sure it will help us

Russia won

>>217733180
>heh... they'll stop with afghanistan
>heh... they'll stop with chechnya
>heh, they'll stop with georgia
>heh, they'll stop with ukraine

>>217732736
I couldn’t give two shits about it being a war of conquest. Slav feuds don’t interest me.

>>217733126
I mean eventually that's what will happen
>>217732723
>>217732612

I'm still confused why we're the ones who have to solve this, this shit isn't even on our continent and is literally not my problem

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>>217733156
>i certainly don't want to get invaded by russia which is what will happen if ukraine falls.
I really don't understand this logic. Ukraine won't fall, IF it makes peace with Russia as soon as possible, so why do you want the war to go on?
>>217733085
In Ukraine's case, it's exhausted military will collapse before its government

>>217733180
you're germany of course you don't care. meanwhile russia is on our doorstep

>>217733227
Because ebil ruzzia will march to Lisbon in 2 weeks or whatever fever dream 90 year old congressmen had last night.

>>217733227
no one expects anything from a populace so dumb they elected trump

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>>217733189
Who cares about some jewish bankers opinion?

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>>217731555
>>217731583
also ad to this government employees and every Ahmed/nigger already living on welfare.

>>217733204
>do you realise that war has been going on for almost 4 years now and the frontline barely moved for the last 3?
See what I said about Germany here>>217732823, and see >>217733236 pic related.

Do you honestly think Ukraine can keep fighting for another 4 years?

>>217733209
All of these conflicts have different historical and political causes. The only commonality among them would be an underlying theme of preventing NATO military expansion. Not something that concerns Bulgaria seeing how it's already in NATO.

>>217733279
yeah and youre going to cope and seethe all the way

>>217733254
We should unironically pull out of NATO and stop giving aid to your faggot asses. Let your kind perish and suffer, I don't give a shit anymore

>>217733248
I care very much dear. I also see how this whole direction the EU is currently taking is fruitless and retarded.

>>217733301
I'm ignoring your posts, come back when you want to have a discussion.
>>217733257
Bankers in Belgium, Cyprus, Malta.

>>217733205
>Third year of the three day special military operation
>Still stuck in Donbas
>Over a million ziggers dead
>Russians getting killed at a rate of 14 to 1
>EU resolute in supporting Ukraine
Russia hasn't won anything. This whole war has been a national humiliation ritual for them

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I'm perfectly happy seeing my taxes go tiwards a missile launched on the invaders

cope however you want you russian cocksuckers

>>217733251
Russia is evil but nobody believes this, it’s all just smoke and mirrors tactics to divert from homegrown issues like migration, failing infrastructure and economic collapse.

>>217733322
pull trumps dick out of your mouth before you speak

>>217733236
>In Ukraine's case, it's exhausted military will collapse before its government
Maybe. There is scant evidence of this for now but why force an inevitability in the face of a hypothetical?

>>217733346
you aint ignoring my posts you just replied

>>217733351
>I'm perfectly happy seeing my taxes go tiwards a missile launched on the invaders
So why make this an EU thing? The Swedish government can give all its annual budget to Ukraine.

>>217731433
>Why should I be responsible for Slav shitflinging
The Yugoslav wars ended when NATO determined that Milosevic had killed too many Croats, Albos and Bosniaks to remain idle, so it's really weird to bring them up here. Slavic shitflinging has always been your problem because slavs make up half the continent.

>>217731379
Why don't you go back to fight for you country, Mykola?

>>217733427
Turns out EU agrees on it. Why does a brit care? Sit on your dreary island and be quiet

Russians are so ducking delusional. Everyone hates you and sees you as orcs
Only dirt poor Africans and Indians see you as remotely friendly

>>217733288
>underlying theme of preventing NATO military expansion.
Bro stfu seriously. You clearly have no clue what you're on about. NATO isn't an evil empire violently expanding towards Russia's borders. It's a defensive alliance which member states join of their own free will. NATO isn't a threat to Russia due to the simple fact that Russia has nuclear weapons. Ironically enough, it's Russia's aggression and war mongering that is strengthening NATO and causing more countries to join. Putin is invading his neighbours because he wants to bring back the Soviet empire, not because of "NATO expansion"

>>217733301
Source?

>>217733473
My cucked government does whatever the EU does on Ukraine, so we're going to spend billions of pounds on a lost war.

>>217733473
>Turns out EU agrees on it.
Ehh, not really. Even the bureaucrats dont agree on all of it, never mind the people.
>>217731326
Some countries outright pulled out.

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So Ukraine will have 90 more billionaires and their cemeteries quadrupled? Based

>>217733518
>Some countries outright pulled out.
hungary, slovakia

LMAO

>>217733528
Grim

>>217733501
>It's a defensive alliance
Against Russia.
>NATO isn't a threat to Russia
Russians are worried about NATO nukes placed in Ukraine striking their nukes.

>>217731965
my fuarking hero
crashing this union with no survivors

>>217733491
I've been to Reddit and know how brainwashed u guys are, I will never treat a westoid as equal person to me after that

>>217733619
you cant treat a westoid as an equal because youre not human lmao

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Ok, and? My life remains the same anyhow, if it helps the ukranians then good.

>>217733619
>Implying reddit is representative of anything
That's like going to /pol/ and determining most americans hate jews. You're retarded.

>>217733501
>NATO isn't an evil empire violently expanding towards Russia's borders. It's a defensive alliance which member states join of their own free will.
It's not just a defensive alliance. That's an easily disprovable trope talking point: see Libya, Yugoslav wars, Afghanistan.
NATO has been a de facto vehicle for American influence in Europe, allowing them to manipulate policy, geopolitics and fuel their MIC.
>>217733619
Reddit isn't really representative of normal people and is heavily astroturfed by all sorts of pro-Ukrainian bots

>>217733707
>if it helps the ukranians
It just hurts them in the long run

>>217733798
Yeah sure Ivan, that is for them to decide.

>>217733752
>R*ddit isn't really representative of normal people and is heavily astroturfed by all sorts of pro-Ukrainian bots
So, just like this place? in the same thread se have plenty of VPNs and shills

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