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>>217819327Oh he madddd
>>217819260
I like thread wars
NGL, Italian is super comfy to learn. Words flow elegantly in your mouth even if you have little knowledge.
>>217819854I tried reading the decameron and the divine comedy. The decameron is terribly boring, its like pop culture without the fun part and a bit misogynistic, the divine comedy is fine but i didnt finish it. It's supposed to rhyme but i struggled to understand it that way, i liked it better when its just regular narration.It has many obscure references to medieval Italian politics and culture.
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>>217820272Why did your thread get deleted?
>>217820088mainly because it uses big words and they try to adapt both the rhyme and the writing style to Spanish. From that point on i would not say that the best translation of a book is the one that is the closest to the original work, i just think it is important that they do not shorten the book or omit details and as long as they keep the story the same, it is fine.The good thing about Italian is that they dont have uvular consonants
>>217820272interesting
>>217820272Good thing Jesus Christ is the only God and your gay pagan curses dont work
>>217820088>>217820448I'm learning Italian because I know some Italians, have a crush a bit on one and it's easier and less attention and time consuming than French or Spanish, and my main TLs are still German and English. I haven't even thought about literature yet, but I would probably reach for the Italian translation of Quo Vadis and a few plays
i should have fucking attended this stupid ass exam and got the low grade instead of postponing iti can't study that shit and it's written now FUCK FUCK FUCK
>Mexican>Catholicpretty cringe how you try to larp as the actual conquistadores while you are a beaner, you are not "trad catholicx Xtian" you are a cringe brown beaner larping as crusader while christianism is not racially compatible to you in any case.
>>217820939ok im larping as Christian (real religion that is popular all across the world and imc) and you are larping as a pagan from a religion that is dead, who is worse?>racially compatibleChristianity is not tied to any race lol. Im not larping as a crusader or a conquistador, fag. Christianity goes beyond the crusades, it is a belief system that is present in the lives of people during times of peace too.
>Christianity is not tied to any race lol.No, Xtianity was solely backed up to get ride of brown muslims in circustances as the Siege of Vienn and Al-Andalus, it is so true that modern Europeans completely got ride of it nowdays since it has no more use as a card to impulse the morals of military troops, Portuguese are the most degenerate as long as they are not near Muslims, most spawn in Brazil came from them.they are not accepting you as one of they you are not of they never will, they could even create a new religion if they notice that mexicans are catholic just to get ride of you somehow, it is just a toll used for war.
>>217821481Live your truth king. I only interacted with you to keep the thread alive so your necro thread wouldnt have a chance
It does not exist already.You are beaner that took the papist meme too far and start to acrually worship a cross while it was never supposed to be anything but a toll to up with the morals.
>>217821695https://youtu.be/_O9RfqXTjvA?si=QfF4JPzOIoVwGulmYou know how Dante Alighieri is seen as a figure that help standardize Italian? are there people who did the same in other languages through literature? is Pushkin one of them?
i used to think vietnamese was the ugliest language in the world but now its oddly addicting, i want to learn it. it would also be cool to convert my korean name into vietnamese via chinese characters
>>217823749the bigger thing for me was how every word is spaced according to syllable count (e.g. ιε becomes han quoc instead of hanquoc) and also the language itself spoken was quite jarring to listen to (sounds like bouncy springs with hay fever being choked) but it now sounds kinda cool weirdly?
how can I learn german well enough to read goethe? such a fantastic writer ive read since I was a kid id love to read in the original but im old
>>217823884I wanted to read Faust, but i ruined it by reading the wikipedia summary, is it still worth reading?
Just made the same mistake 5 times in a row on duolingo, someone hold me
>>217824175i mean because i already know the plot and the ending
>>217823884Beginner learner here. Don't rush. Learning German is taking me longer than I expected, even though I have a slight advantage in that I generally understand the concept of grammatical cases (we have all the German ones and three more in Polish). Learning German frustrates me, ngl, but I'm gonna continue. The biggest problem is the vocabulary from outer space. Some words are similar to English, but fewer than I expected, or different enough that without checking the etymology, I wouldn't be able to guess. I often know a word, but I'm not sure how to use it in a sentence. The grammar doesn't seem that difficult, it's fairly regular, spelling too, but it's time-consuming and I don't grind it, I rather check why something is formulated in this way and not in another way.I'm learning with Pimsleur, DW Nicos Weg videos and Anki (respectively, the deck for Pimsleur, for Nicos Weg, and refold). I tried to learn with a friend who knows German, but he was knowledge-dumping on me and it was pointless. I like Pimsleur and Nicos Weg because the former starts with formal language, while the latter teaches both informal and formal expressions at the same time.
they're right. i have PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE from studying wrong and now even if i become 'fluent' i will always be obviously non-native and sound like a retarded fucking foreigner. theres no getting around it and it is unfixable.
>>217820088a te non piacciono perchΓ© sei stupido e poco colto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9FiMKLxdc>tfw no german learning gf
>>217824333>I'm learning with Pimsleur, DW Nicos Weg videos and Anki (respectively, the deck for Pimsleur, for Nicos Weg, and refoldthat's your problem. just input fun stuff and look up words and mine phrases. play RPGs youre already very familiar with and set the language to german
>>217825929I'm going to be real with you. I believe in the importance or even superiority of input and input-based methods. It's just hard for me to handle because it doesn't feel like work. If I'm going to learn a language it's going to be an arduous years long grind like learning to play an instrument or something. Recommending input feels like telling me to learn to play the harp by never touching a harp and just watching 5000 hours of angelic nordic women playing the harp instead. I know language is not like that and the "skill" of literally forming words and etc is much easier than developing the intuitive knowledge and understanding which comes from a ton of exposure. But I still feel like I'm not working hard enough when I just inpoot even if it's very much "active listening" with looking up words and phrases as needed.
>>217825666The decameron is a set of short stories and the premise of the book is that some rich people go to the countryside when everyone else in dying from the plague and at one point one of the female characters says that women cannot do anything well without the assistance of men, you can call me stupid but i dont think anyone would categorize it as "high culture"
>>217820484mexbro..... you didn't tell me spanish had such a cool writing system>>217820806sΓ© acabo
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>>217823884Start small and work your way up. The problem with people that want to read fancy classic literature is that they never want to humble themselves and read some learner slop as a stepping stone. They'd rather burn out reading Nietzsche with 20 lookups per sentence than read something they consider is beneath them. https://rentry.org/german-readers
>>217825929Nicos Weg is an input though. Pimsleur is cool when doing something else like riding a bike, cleaning, cooking. It's just harder language at the beginning than for example Italian>>217826112Disagree, output is important too. Not than much as input, but still.
writing in french is a pain in the ass
>>217826904is this a native american language? or a constructed one? or like middle mongolian or sometging
is it even worth learning mandarin?
language learning is a scam and you fell for it
>>217828627it's not worth learning ANYTHINGgod gave you your language, use it
>>217828748Damn.I guess I'll get back into gambling.
>>217828784yep, its over
https://files.catbox.moe/s42z1k.pdf
>another day of not inputting in your TLFeels good, man...
>>217824179Please tell me you're not paying for Duolingo anon
I have decided to give up language learning as my hobby, French and English is enough for me
Good morning sirs. Schema for today: 1 hour of Sanskrit, 1 Hour of French, German reading (news), Chinese for about 2 or 3. Maybe I will dabble in Persian, but that script is keeping me off>>217829523>no indonesian>no chinesewhy
>easyI watched a movie last night It was directed by Martin ScorseseMy brother recommended it to me>Medium The main character was a guy that never had any luckI used to like horror movies, but now I prefer comediesAlthough the cinema experience is better, it's more convenient to watch movies at home>HardThe problem with the composition of this shot is that there is too much going onIf I had known it was a ripoff of Star Wars, I wouldn't have bothered watching itAccording to inside sources, the main actor was a real diva on set
You know i will still make progress in language learning in 2026, but i realize this is utterly retarded. I could find any book of the philosophical or literary canon of Europe at the library, read it and understand it perfectly. Instead, i will learn a language with the intention of reading those books in the original language meaning i will have to get e-books ilegally, which is tedious and less fun than physical books. >>217829523Smart choice, what made you reach that conclusion?
>>217829523>>217829640That's the spirit!https://youtu.be/aUwDYE5MEww
>>217829682Whoever posts kaufmann should be kicked out of /lang/
>how do i learn a language?
>>217829581Ich habe gestern einen Film gesehen.Der wurde von Martin Scorese regiert.Mein BrΓΌder hat es empfohlen.-Die Hauptperson war ein Mann, der niemals GlΓΌck hatteIch liebte Horrorfilms, aber jetzt mag ich lieber KomΓΆdienObwohl das Kinoerlebnis better ist, ist es bequemer Filme zuhause anzuschauen. -Das Problem mit der Komposition dieser Aufnahme ist, dass zuviel passiertHΓ€tte ich gewΓΌsst, dass est um eine Star Wars Kopie handelte, hΓ€tte ich nicht den Muhe gemacht es anzuschauenLaut Insiderquellen, war die Hauptperson eine echte Diva am Set.
>>217829695I will go now...
>>217829682was this not posted in april's fools? he's never gonna tell you not to learn a language because he owns a for profit app to learn languages. Language learning youtubers make a lot of redundant content, they should try to make a single video that is informative and then make content about something else. It just so happens that they are all one trick ponies.
>>217829913Please take the serb and the jordanon and the poleaf with you.
How the fuck do i undo a card in ankiweb on the browser? Im an iphone fag and im not paying 200 dollars for the app
Decided to say fuck it to learning Spanish and pursue learning French. Couldn't find any Spanish music that slaps like French music does.
>>217829581>FacileJβai regardΓ© un film hier soirLe directeur Γ©tait Martin Scorsese Mon frΓ¨re lβa recommandΓ© >MoyenLe personnage principal Γ©tait un mec qui avait jamais de la chance Avant, jβaimais les films dβhorreur, mais maintenant, je prΓ©fΓ¨re les comΓ©diesTandis que lβexpΓ©rience au cinΓ©ma est mieux, cβest plus facile de regarder les films chez moi>Difficile Le problΓ¨me avec le composition de ce plan est il y a trop dβactivitΓ© Si je savais que cβΓ©tait un plagiat de La Guerre dβΓtoiles, je lβaurais pas regardΓ© Selon des sources confidentielles, lβacteur principal Γ©tait un diva sur le plateau de tournage
>>217830391Recommend some French songs bro
>>217830391Yeah modern Spanish music is way too slow for me, France currently has a stronger music scene
>>217830468https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE9nGXXd8rc
>>217830468https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Le-dAocI8&list=RDr1Le-dAocI8&start_radio=1
>>217829490I'm not, a colleague invited me to her family plan
>>217820484There was some jew involved
>>217830736>herdid you fuck her
>>217829640I realised that my hobby went from reading literature to learning languages and I think I'd be more fulfilled if I focused on literature first and languages secondI have barely read any literature in English the past few years >>217829570I don't have the time anymore
>>217819354I am not even because my thread died I am mad because your thread is absolute ass
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tQWwKueQQFYAre the English expressions here really that difficult? Koreans in the comments say these English phrases are tricky, including those who have lived, been educated in English speaking countries, but desu, I talked to myself like> what the fuck is wrong with them?
>>217829523>>217829570The only languages worth knowing are English, Japanese, Spanish, French, and German. If you want to be generous you could include Korean, Chinese, and maybe Russian. >>217830391>Spanish musicI stopped learning Spanish after school and haven't returned to it yet but I liked these songs. And no, I'm not a spic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJhj7KrrPSg&list=RDBJhj7KrrPSg&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-VE9OyAJk&list=RDWT-VE9OyAJk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwJPbeAOdA&list=RDtiwJPbeAOdA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiWtqVtd1Oo&list=RDxiWtqVtd1Oo&start_radio=1>>217830468>French songsI found a few older songs I liked though their tone is a bit pretentious. I haven't found many modern French songs I like because they all seem like trashier inferior versions of American pop and/or are all sung by Africans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVfnEyLOkrM&list=RDfVfnEyLOkrM&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_SNDGwwGFM&list=RDV_SNDGwwGFM&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACZU05vmbk&list=RDLACZU05vmbk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5KAc5CoCuk&list=RDK5KAc5CoCuk&start_radio=1
>>217831374Sorry I had no sexy woman to hand
>learning a new language with an absolute shit culture because youβre maxed out level wise in your other onesAnyone else know this feel?
>>217834486No, because I'm not larping as a faggot with the head up in my ass on a Pakistani basket-weaving bulletin board
>>217819260https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIvF0iEG5WQ
>>217819260French speakers: In the phrase,"J'en ai bien peur",What does the word "en" mean? How is that phrase different from this phrase "J'ai bien peur"?
>>217830217We're literally the main characters of /lang/ tho>>217829784I feel like a Howie in other hobbies. You can know all the usual advice but for whatever reason you still can't start because it hasn't clicked.
>>217830391esa nena cuando bailar me Vuelve loco bailando dembow>>217830391Good (old) Don Omar'Despacito'Vamos A la PlayaVen BailaloGreatest hits like wisin and yandel, barrio fino and that album with the helicopters Plan B love and Sex, The playero tapes. Fun fact daddy yankee invents the word Reggaeton at age 13 in playero 34...Ozuna has good easy to understand lyricism, Sigelo Bailando, Se preparo, Te robare etcDura, Shaky, Que tira de, Metele Al perreo>>217813220>>217813542>slapshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZoyAnhpFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bdJ-bNjXyc>>217830468recommend some brazil music i used to drink coffee that was product of brazil it wasn't badhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOZLDQm9c2Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHoT4N43jK8
why is the thread going to archive so quickly does no one want to learn Englishtemas con chencho corleone: pronunciaciones mas claro>Dura, Shaky, Que tira de, Metele Al perreook it might not be good but it got stuck in my head
>>217831927Add Italian to the only languages worth knowing
>>217828627δΈηΉδΉδΈεΌεΎδΈε½δΈηΊͺζ―δΈͺιͺε±ζ₯η
>>217819854I find I do the gesture, and it makes me feel more comfortable speaking it.
>>217820272>πΎ><>Fish :3
>>217831927>The only languages worth knowing are>Japanese>KoreanRemove them. They are only spoken in their respective nations. Unless you intend to go there or are a colossal weeb/koreaboo then its pointless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWXuPlJsq5A
>>217838230>huge economies>conservative societies>cute girls>interesting media (at least compared to western slop)>almost no one speaks EnglishYeah, learning these languages is a pure waste of time.
>>217830391>>217836938wrong one under the slaps sectionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagmuBB6074&t=340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkVhJK20JAIlove this one or leave this one
>>217838575It is, unless you intend to move there or are a massive weeb, as stated in my initial reply. If you will never move there and do not interact with Japanese media, there is zero point in you learning it. Same with Korean.
>>217838118Italian is theatrical. Once you see how to make an Italian impression, you'll know how to speak Italian. But yeah, I love that hand gestures. Perfetto is my favourite >>217839887And German and Spanish and Russian...
>>217840023Spanish is worth it more than German or Russian. I hear it quite a lot on buses in London.
>>217834486that's when you begin learning the classical forms of those languages instead of wasting your time on useless garbage like bahasa indonesian
>>217840524>instead of wasting your time on useless garbage like bahasa indonesianThose rag heads look hella fine when mixed with Chinese genes though
so ive been accepted for the study abroad in rio de janeiro which means i need to get a baseline of portuguese abilityim doing duolingo to begin with but after i finish that i want to read a proper grammar maybe do an anki deck then start immersingdoes anybody know is there a tae kim for portuguese?
What are the best graded readers for Japanese?
I don't know a word of German but I'm starting a new job in Germany at the end of January and I need B1 German
I don't learn any languages nor do I participate in this thread but I'm bored so let me know if I can help any stupid retarded spanishlearners with anything.Like how are you even failing to learn spanish anon... kek... It's such an easy language.ΒΏYou're not retarded are you anon...?
>>217820556Pagan stuff is much cooler and more sovlful than jesus though
I don't know a word of French but I need to be at least B2 when I arrive in France tomorrow.
German is such a cool language... I wish it was more relevant culturally around the world (like Japanese) so that i'd have the motivation to learn it
>>217842013she likes it =? ella encantawhat's the difference between golpe and pegar...danke shoen por favor
>>217842856>She likes it(A ella) Le gusta.Le encanta is stiff and retardsounding so maybe if you're trying to learn spiclish.You can't say ella - verb.The correct way is "A ella le gusta, a ella le encanta.""A ella le gusta la mΓΊsica. A ella le encantan los australianos feos y lebaneses."Golpe - Hit.Pegar - Beat.Pegar is also to glue. In broad terms it basically means to make contact. They're case specific and sometimes interchangeable as hit or beat.Golpear is kind of spic coded."Le pegΓ³ una ostia." He hit him."Le golpeΓ³." He hit him (Spicish)."Te voy a pegar." I'm going to hit you."Me lleve un golpe." I bumped into something (Which hurt). You can't say the same with pegar, but you could mix both like. "Me peguΓ© un golpe." I took a hit. More literally "I bumped into a hit."Anyway generally use pegar for people and golpear for objects unless you want to sound spicish.
>>217840468Which languages are commonly spoken in the UK? (Other than English obviously)
>>217843372Arab and Hindi. I would be surprised if anyone there speaks English
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>>217833692what?
>>217843372Polish, Romanian, some Indian ones and then shit like Chinese and French and what not. Polish has like 600k speakers here, Romanian like 400k and then the Indians are 300k per lang and Chinese and French are only ~200k each at most.
>>217819260After studying Germanic and Romance/Latin languages since a teen. I've finally gotten into Russian and Irish for new branches and a new script, and what seemed so incomprehensible a few years ago are both now languages I can understand the grammar rules off easily and be able to read with over 50% understanding after a few months of studying. Feels good, lads.
>>217844362based. you should study Greek next to Euromaxx
>>217844362You're learning Russian? I've dipped my toes in the water by memorizing their alphabet. What inspired you to learn it?
>>217820272The dog joke is funnier in the original sumerian anyway.
german is too hard for my 83 no wonder they had so many philosophers, ill just do french or italian to larp as fancy now
>>217842013I started watching Ibai for listening practice
>>217844241The Germananon here has motivated me to actually learn 2 languages on top of English.2026 will be spent solely on French.My uni obligations will be much less because I will be forced to take less classes to reduce semester costs - this gives me more time to study a foreign language.I theoretically can study 4 hours a day but I know I won't do that. Let's say I study 1.5 to 2 hours a day, 6 days a week.I think I can get quite good in French by then.But, for 2027, which language should I learn alongside French? Spanish? Or Polish?I didn't mention it but I have switched my focus to Britishise my English by learning British English writing conventions/accent/etc. and I want to add a sparkle of UK relevance to my languages by learning UK-relevant languages.Chinese is just too hard, so no.What about Polish or Hindi/Urdu?
>>217845887Jordanon is the definition of dedication, consistency and fortitude.
>>217845979That is almost true. I was summoned to my uni's council and was threatened if I don't fix my academic performance I will get booted because my GPA was 56% 2 years ago because I didn't like the major and wanted to drop out.But I was determined to prove them wrong and I made a comeback and my GPA is 81.2% now.If I put my mind to something I achieve it and now I want to learn French. And one more language next (2027) year.
Besides Spanish, is there really a second language worth learning from a utilitarian standpoint if youβre American? I mainly want to converse with the locals and shit
>>217845979But I feel sad though. I wanted to get a job in real life or find a way to make money online (video editing, coding, self-publishing, etc.) but nothing worked.Ironically I realized language learning would make me feel better, that's why now I am genuinely interested in foreign languages.I don't care that I wasted all those years - it's a hobby not a college degree and I am doing it for my own fun anyway.
>>217846094No just master Spanish.
I can't believe Jordie is back... God...
>>217846230Why are you pissed off about me posting here? Especially since I will learn French?What an ass
>>217846321Bitch did I say I was pissed off?Baffled is more like it. Exasperated maybe.
>>217846094I personally believe Chinese is also worth learning due to business, considering they are already close to controlling the US at this point. I think you could open a lot of doors in the business sector by speaking Chinese but certainly not as many as Spanish (which is required now by some jobs) to your point.
>>217819260I started going to a Ukrainian Orthodox Church and I was going to learn Ukrainian but all the resources are shitty and Russian has more I feel guilty and I feel like the people at my parish will hate that I'm doing Russian insteadpic unrelated
>>217846469Ukraine isnβt even going to exist in a few years donβt feel bad
>>217819260French speakers:Last thread I asked a question about using "de/Γ " before infinitives that act as adjectives and this is one of the answers I got >>217808205Well, in pic related, how come there isn't an "Γ " before "envoyer", since it's also an infinitive that's acting as an adjective?
>>217846094if you live in america then the only languages worth learning are english and spanish, maybe french with a huge power gap only if you live next to francophone communities in lousiana or next to quebecAny company worth doing business with finds english speakers locally so even mandarin is a huge meme unless you're directly working with some steel mill deep in chingdong province
>>217846766The point of mandarin is for you to work for western companies and stop them from getting fucked overNot working for Chinese companies
>>217846546Hi, so I speak French pretty well but I honestly donβt know the answer to this so probably just use ChatGPT, but from what I understand there are a few verbs like βvouloirβ (to want) and pouvoir (can) where we donβt need the de or Γ . So the translation is βThe woman wants to send,β notice how the is still a βtoβ in the phrase but the verb vouloir basically adds the βtoβ for us, doing all the work. It would be the same thing with the sentence βje vais mangerβ (I am going to eat), but again here the verb βallerβ adds the βtoβ for us. Honestly, donβt worry too much about it and just get used to the rhythm of the language and you will learn naturally when to use de Γ or nothing at all. Even after thousands of hours I still get confused by certain use cases with these words but itβs a really small mistake and French people still understand what Iβm saying if I accidentally switch Γ or de. Sorry I donβt have a better explanation.
>>217847132Merci
>>217847201Je tβen prie, laisse moi savoir si tu as des autres questions
>>217847238I was also wondering about this >>217835426
>>217847338Do you have more context for the sentence?
>>217819260what's a ι·ιεΈ½?
>>217847403It's from the lyrics of Flou by Angelehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=D6Wi3SmmnAE&pp=ygULQW5nZWxlIEZsb3U%3D
>>217847496It's the hat are you dumb
Why does Greek kinda sound like Spanish?
>>217847534Jβai peur = im worried or im scaredJβen ai peur = im afraidSo two different meanings and the en specifically defines what it means
>>217847922Thanks.
>>217846461If you have no interest in their culture or language itself and only want to learn it for business reasons, isn't it pointless unless you start really young and have enough time to master it? The people worth dealing with will know more English than you know Chinese anyway.
>>217845821I don't consume spaingolian media it's all the normiest normiegarbage.
any brits here? how often do you say "in/on/off you go"?i hear it a lot in British movies / tv series. also youtuber i watch (James Hoffman) usually says it.i've never heard it from an American, so wondering if it's something worth starting to use.
>>217847726Similar phonology
>>217848316Not really, I would definitely disagree with this, and I think you have a very narrow minded American perspective. There are many pertinent reasons to learn a language not just βhurr durr me like dis culture. Business is definitely an extremely valid reason to learn a language. Case in point why all third worldies learn English, itβs certainly not because they like American culture (although there are some where this is the case), but because itβs necessary for school, work, etc. Itβs only really in America and the UK where we are fortunate enough to be able to learn languages for fun. An American who speaks fluent Chinese is definitely going to have a lot of doors opened for him, due to the importance of china.
>>217844430I know a bit of it by just etymology studies. But it's my plan when I get solid at reading in Irish. In Russian, I'm starting to read and comprehend in Tolstoy's work now. Am reading Anna Karenina right now. But the Instrumental and Prepositional case in Russian are getting pretty understood now. >>217844491General fascination of words and how they changed. The grammar is a tough mind game I'm getting quite good at, and could see award from. I'm quite interested to learn more about the history of Slavs, Russian culture and literature, it being a Slavic language, which means it will give me the challenge to read books in it while giving recognizing features and grammar rules so I won't be lost on start completely, and I want to peak more behind the (iron) curtains of Communism that can finally give me more of a grandiose knowledge of it.
>>217846546This is why you need to input 5000 hours so that you just know by vibes, there is no serious way of just remembering when the infinitive includes To or when you need to use Γ
>>217847922is this "i'm afraid" in the sense of "i'm afraid I won't be there this weekend" or are we talking about literal Fear, in which case it's mostly interchangeable with scared/worried?
>>217847726Africanization
>>217830468french people love pop so i've had trouble finding stuff I enjoy. Here's some non pop stuff>baton rouge, emo/alternative rockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R03R39rQg8o>cheveu, garage punk and also some death grips-y experimental shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2vTJ95qUCg>stereolab, first half of career is noisy shoegazey stuff, latter half is more jazzy art pophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6shENOh3sk>daitro, really good screamohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRk38RrOLEE
>>217836938>recommend some brazil music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNDbwixfGwI&list=RDZNDbwixfGwI&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGW1YGrUsvo&list=RDyGW1YGrUsvo&start_radio=1
Here's a WIP version of my Cebuano frequency dictionary thing. There isn't a usable frequency list/dictionary available for Cebuano, so I made one by writing a script to download like 400 magazine articles/short stories in Cebuano and count the words. It's definitely not perfect but it should get the job done especially for higher frequency words.The links to dictionaries were a great idea as well.
I appreciate all the reccomendations
>>217852144recommendations* fuck
>>217851092Iβm pretty sure that Β«jβen ai bien peurΒ» and Β«jβen ai peurΒ» are mostly only used for saying Β«im afraidΒ» in a standalone context. For saying Β«im afraid thatΒ» we will more likely use Β«jβai peur queΒ» or Β«je crains queΒ». I donβt really see Β«jβen ai peurΒ» ever used when I do French. But maybe a French anon could chime in since Iβm a bit unsure. Itβs not a very common expression I feel like.
>>217830467>Le directeurisn't that the rΓ©gisseur?
>>217841666https://tadoku.org/japanese/en/free-books-en/Might help.
Anyone else feel that Duolingo gets them the fastest results at the start? I input about 70% usually just on Duolingo when I start learning a language and it seems to work the fastest.
>>217846766Confirmed true
>>217836938>recommend some brazil musicI like to hear windows96 while I imagine I'm walking in a mystic forest or smth like that, you might enjoy ithttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFBOtWq7dsE
>>217824175Literature is about the experience, not about just what happens or how it ends. If that was the case, you could've just read Faust in Spanish, or English, or whatever language you prefer. Hell, it's required/recommended literature in some places.
>>217845887Definitely not Polish due to small number of native speakers, plus also Slavic languages are really difficult, like MSA level difficult due rich inflextion and its various irregularities.Even though I personally study Hindi/Urdu and I really like them, I also doubt if it has any use, even potentially.
>>217838230>>217839887You're begging the question. Any language is worthless if you don't intend to move to the country or engage with the culture. Japan is the 4th largest economy, major US ally in the Pacific, member of G7 and C5, 123 million people, and has tons of soft power via media. You don't need to bury your head in the sand and pretend its only for "colossal weebs". Video games, anime, manga, j-pop, fashion, and technology from Japan are all popular. Korea is most of these things too just to a lesser extent. Japanese and Korean culture are to the 21st century what French culture was to the 17th-18th century.
>>217852964Why the fuck would anyone want to move to Japan for work? They work like 18 hours a day there. Also, Japan has fewer companies than China. The problem with both Japan and Korean is that there are already too many cringe westerners learning these languages due to societal degeneracies like kpop and anime that you have to compete with. Chinese is the vastly superior language to learn from a business perspective and no one wants to learn it because people prefer learning languages for meme reasons. Westerners speaking Chinese is extremely rare.
>>217853420How many years is it going to take me to get good at chinese, if we assume i'm kind of a moron and it takes like 3 years to get decent at an easy language
>>217853486Language learning shouldnβt be quantified in years but in hours. Divide the hours needed to learn the language by the amount of hours are able to spend each year to find the result. But for Chinese, plan on several years even with intensive study.
>>217853420My point is that the Japanese language has a lot to offer. The main reason people learn it is media, which Japan does significantly better than Chinese. >too many cringe westerners learning these languagesYou're free to let other people ruin your enjoyment of an entire country but I choose to enjoy it. Japanese media is objectively popular, especially among the youth, and has less government restrictions and propaganda than CCP-approved media.
>>217853576years of my typical studying rate has an equivalent in hours, not that I know what that is exactly. im just wondering if im going to be senile before im fluent or not
>>217853486I'm learning Japanese which takes roughly the same amount of time as Chinese. I've been learning it for 4 years at a very inconsistent pace where I often go weeks without actively studying it and only getting informal immersion (watching Japanese vtubers without trying to sentence mine any words), though I have also watched a few anime with JP subtitles and a few episodes of the drama "Terrace House". At my current level I can generally understand slice-of-life or school anime. Someone more consistent than me could have gotten to this level at least a year earlier.
>>217853681While I agree with you that Japanese media is more popular than Chinese and has more freedom of speech; you have to remember Japanese media is objectively degenerate and contributes nothing to society. Remember, his is the same culture that gave us body pillows and anime girls. So if you're learning Japanese just to consume media, it's just another time wasting hobby at this point, one which is arguably more cringe than most other time wasting hobbies. You tried to bring up large Japan's economy is but the Chinese economy is larger than Japan's so I really don't find that you have a convincing argument for why learning Japanese is at all beneficial unless you enjoy indulging in degeneracy.
How can I tell if my input is comprehensible or not without mentally translating? Am I retarded? What does it feel like to understand a language other than being able to convert what they said into my NL?
Fuuuuck, why Italians and Germans use Anglicisms for such basic words?! I understand that these are some things that came from the US, like technical terminology or corporate structures, but everything has its limits
>>217854098I'm also wondering this question. Utterly clueless how anyone keeps up with Spanish spoken at "normal" speed.
>>217854036>time wasting hobbyAs opposed to what? Doomscrolling on TikTok? Getting angry about politics on Twitter? Watching goyball? Learning to use technology that will become outdated by the time you learn it? The entire world is falling apart, so learning a foreign language is about the most beneficial thing anybody could be doing. >objectively degenerateAll societies require some non-zero level of hedonism because we can't all live like puritans, and the Japanese seem to do hedonism best. Anyways, young people have no upward mobility, so why not enjoy trashy ecchi anime or whatever else while waiting for things to either improve or until everyone goes extinct? Young people are already totally fucked anyways. >Chinese economy is largerThe original claim was that Japanese and Korean are useless languages, and I was offering counter arguments (economy, media). If the only deciding factor for you is money, than Chinese is probably more useful, but most people in America who learn Asian languages do so for media because we already know the most valuable business language.
>>217821088Christianity is an european religion with middle eastern influences and sects. Papists use the latin language to this day.
>>217854328>spanish is easy bro>meanwhile all beaners talk at an insane 1500 syllables per minute rate of fireWent and looked it up actually:https://lingopie.com/blog/fastest-spoken-languages-in-the-world/Second fastest in the world, barely behind japanese
>>217854036English is the lingua franca of tech and science and you may not even need Mandarin to import things from China, because English is also the lingua franca of business and trade. People learn languages for fun even if it is useless, because if you only care about roi, you would be better off learning technical skills
Chinese isn't useless but if you want to learn something to make money there are MANY much better options than learning a language.
>>217854664Assuming I already have a decent career in a field that I can't credibly advance myself with self study (chemistry, personal projects tend to send you to jail) what kind of technical skills do you propose i should be maxxing
>>217854328>>217854427Don't jump into native content right away. Listen to easier and slower content aimed at learners.
>>217854421All those hobbies you mentioned are still unironically thousands of times less cringe than consuming Japanese goyslop media.
>>217853845You will find yourself consuming media you dont enjoy to mantain a skill that you think will give you some knowledge or opportunity you cannot define or identify because English is the lingua franca; which would not be a problem if you had a genuine cultural interest in China or if you liked the Chinese language, but you do not. I plan on doing the same, which is essentially forcing myself to be miserable out of fomo.>>217854424The Holy see is located in Europe but Jerusalem is the Holy city and the bible was originally written in Hebrew, even then, the European leaders of the church dont care about race. They have bishops of all races.
>>217854722Man up, go back to school and study something useful like medicine or pharmacy rather than getting a meme chemistry degree.
>>217853718If you can do one hour a day it should take around seven years based on the number of hours required.
>>217854722TradingGamblingDropshippingGriftingFacebook marketplace lowballing
>>217854818You are right that it's a meme but I have a solid job that pays the bills and is not miserable so I'm not interested in going back to school for 6 years and going $6million in debt to become and MD or PhD. That's avoiding the question anyway, nobody is saying "go to school for a doctorate in Mandarin", the point is about what you can learn on your own that is valuable.>>217855106>learn valuable technical skills like scamming and gamblingKind of based of you rajnesh, but not what I'm looking for
>>217855131Youβre just too brainlet but ok. Nice Jew inflation on the cost of med school anyways.
>>217855131Well why is mandarin valuable to you? Because you can make money from itThere are many better ways to make moneySo this is a bad reason
>>217854098That's a tough question, it's hard to explain what happens internally. When I read or hear a sentence in TL, I either get an immediate sense of clarity, or I feel like something is throwing me off like a new word or some particular combination of words in some form is just something I haven't encountered yet and it doesn't feel quite right. Maybe I do a lookup or I translate to English to understand what the sentence is aiming to express and then I go back to the TL sentence and try to grasp how that sentence is communicating that meaning. It's mostly implicit and you either get it or you don't, so you don't need to get bogged down, you simply move on to the next sentence and hope that you'll gather enough missing pieces in the meantime so that next time you encounter it, it just clicks for you.My best advice would be to start with super simple sentences so there's less pieces you need to grasp and then gradually increase complexity. I think translating manually is just a way to deal with that cognitive overwhelm, introducing too many unknown pieces at once.
3 languages at once is too much. Even if I don't start at the same level with each of them.>>217855364Foreign languages seem like a useful skill to me. Whether in my own business or working for a corporation, but I could be biased because many companies outsource corporate processes to Poland. Still, many companies do not want to conduct business in English and its widespread knowledge is exaggerated.I'm poor and kind of brainlet so language learning might be a chance for me maybe>>217854767Japanese pop and nonpop culture are not only ero isekais>>217854427But it's still pronunced clearly. English or French likes to merge words together
>>217848727I say these phrases a lot
>>217854722>Skills to teach you how to think for yourself and how the world worksHistoryGrammarPhilosophyHermeticism/TheologyGeopoliticsEconomics>Skills to help you market yourself or get a jobTechnologySciencePublic speaking/RhetoricForeign languages
>>217855636>But it's still pronunced clearly.Lol nope
>>217854722Looksmaxxing, watch clav
Learn mathematics - the language of the universe
Chinese is not a real language
>>217829581Vergangene Nacht habe ich mir einen Film angeschaut. Martin Scorsese hat dabei Regie gefΓΌhrt. Mir hat mein Bruder den empfohlen. Die Hauptfigur war ein Pechvogel. FrΓΌher haben mir Gruselfilme gefallen, aber jetzt ziehe ich KomΓΆdien vor. Obwohl die Kinoerfahrung ΓΌberlegen ist, ist es nicht abzustreiten, dass es bei weitem praktischer Filme zu Hause zu genieΓen.Das Problem bei der Komposition der Einstellung liegt darin, dass viel zu viel los ist. HΓ€tte ich davon gewusst, dass es Abklatsch von Star Wars war, hΓ€tte ich mir nicht die MΓΌhe gegeben, es anzuschauen. Internen Quellen zufolge war der Hauptschauspieler eine regelrechte Diva beim Drehen des Films.
>>217855460how did you learn german?
