Zero editionWhat language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familytheswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentsrentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki decksrentry.org/refoldPrevious: >>218577804
I'm inpooting english right now, angloids ITT give me an obscure words please
english and japanese culture mog but i still cant decide who 3rd place is
>>218685912français
>>218686030can you explain why?
Am bi thu ag ionnsachadh na Gàidhlig, Anon?
>>218685721I get my obscure words from books. Colin's dictionary's word of the day is "loch". Merriam-Webster's gives "astrolabe".
>>218685623It's fucking over bros I'm going to be employed within a couple weeks. I'm probably gonna have to halve the number of Anki cards I do every day. I'm not gonna be able to input as much. This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me fuck working.
>>218686825Do anki at work
>>218685721heretofore, whitherinsoever>>218685912spanish, french, german, russian, mandarin, yue and korean have little variance in content quality and quantity wise so they get to share 3rd place together, it's just a matter of preference at that point
Bonan matenon al ĉiuj
>>218685912English is the clear #1, by a mileJapan is #2#3 is the meme tier, there is no clear winner. You have languages that used to be relevant like French. You have 'up-and-comers' like Korean. I would put Russian, German, Spanish, and Mandarin also in this tier. They have 'just enough' content to not be a complete joke.Everyone else, what are you even doing all day?
>>218686638I'd say loch is fairly well known, mainly because it's the go-to eхample of an English word that has a sound resembling IPA /х/.
>>218686825yep sucks work wastes so much time. i try to listen to podcasts when i can during work. not the most effective but it is something at least.
day one of farsii did a trial lesson with an online teacher then masturbated in the shower thinking about her
>>218689918
>>218689918is that a good system? hot teacher?
Just finished Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. I read the first book in the series about a year ago and it was cool to see how much faster I got through this one.
Can anyone recommend me a good book on French grammar for beginners? There's a lot to choose from in the links above.
>>218694937What's your TL? I'm reading philosopher's stone right now in mine and it's a lot harder than I would've thought
>>218695030French for Reading by Karl Sandberg
Thoughts on learning 2 languages at once? Any advice?For context, I recently picked up French again, which I took in high school, so I'm not starting at zero, but I was never a good student so I only remembered a few things. I picked it up again years later, and I'm at a point where I can form my own thoughts and recognize a lot of written sentences, but when I hear fluent people talk, it still sounds like jibberish. It's my best non-native language, but far from fluent so I still need practice. Meanwhile, on the side I'm also motivated to learn Russian, mainly because I really want to travel to Central Asia and the Caucasus and need a Lingua Franca, plus it's cool regardless. I am technically starting from scratch, but because it has the same grammar and some similar vocabulary as one of my native languages, it is a little easier to pick up. Still, when natives speak I don't understand shit. Anyway, should I completely drop one and focus the other until I'm fluent? Or should I continue working on both? I do plan to visit the Caucasus this summer, whereas I don't have any French country trips planned, other than maybe Quebec.
>>218696797Most advice I've read says stick to one. Only start focusing on another one once you're solid intermediate. Though, people have done it before.
Explain why English is unironically number one for languages. I'll wait.
challenge: explain why Japanese is #2 for content WITHOUT using anime>>218685721diegeticelegyautochthonous
I am making gains NEVER before thought possible. It is truly just beginning. One day you will be tricked by my fluency into thinking I'm a TL native speaker. You will be shocked, especially the Serb. Lamont McLeod is the saviour of /lang/. My vocabulary is approaching native speaker levels. My vocaroos are regularly mistaken for native speech. You petty A2 speakers won't even know what hit you.
>>218695030Practice Makes Perfect Basic French
The British seem to have something against the Japanese language, though it could be just one guy with this vendetta
>>218700282>Lamont McLeodReading while listening to audiobooks? Not exactly revolutionary.
>>218699875I don't like Japanese either but they will probably say J-pop, manga and light novels
>>218700406You're not following the year plan, are you? Of course, you're falling behind. I will speak TL so fluently, it will blow your socks off.
>>218700441Okay, let me know how it goes.
It hasn't even been a month and I'm already /lang/mogging.
>>218700412>jpopits ok but its just music, you don't need to speak Japanese to enjoy it>mangafair>light novelsslop
>>218698644damn that's incredibly straight forward. i think any speaker of an IE language with cases should have no problem with this. only declension pattern i find odd is 4th
>>218693466it worked for me in spanish and mandarinhalf the reason why i lear languages is as an excuse to be mommied by exotic baddies
>>218700382i actually started it and now another guy is carrying on my vendettahe's right though
>the Serb
>Advice from a native: dont learn vocabulary from anime and to a lesser extent J-dramas, because they use words that natives dont use, just watch youtube videosThis makes the process of learning Japanese no different from the process of learning one of the 7157 languages that have a limited amount of movies and serieshttps://youtu.be/8YV8KmfBbBM?si=Yt8UwpV4sajzA1QQ&t=1687
>>218701552This is bullshit btw just watch and read what you want, it's not like anime solely uses esoteric words only the most chuuni of souls will understand, especially if you're watching some slice of life stuff
though it is true that only watching anime is quite retarded
>>218695129French. I also read the first 2 in german a few years back. Imo Harry Potter is actually a pretty bad choice, especially if you are more of a beginner, as the vocab is pretty obscure at times. I had trouble with the first one in french last year and I remember struggling with it in German too. I still remember learning Kissenüberzug/pillow case from the Dobby in the Chamber of Secrets as well as taugetränkt/dew-soaked from when they walked across the lawn to Hagrids once, so it will make some words stick at least. You'll also never forget the word for Broom in your TL, so that's a plus.
>>218693466Im not attracted to her in a sexual way, but the fact that she is a cute woman with an uplifting personality is probably what made me stick to watching her videos when i was 14 and i thought that watching short videos doesnt accomplish anything but reflecting on that, i do think it makes a difference.I also got mildly excited watching her videos because I felt like i had learned more in a few months than in years of ESL education at school. I am not in a position to give advice on learning languages however, both because English is quite close to Spanish and because the overwhelming influence of American culture made it hard not to learn English if you were a chronically online zoomer.
>>218701857I forgot the link, im retarded.https://youtu.be/MC0bvF6YxEE?si=kY2aISI3ClQvt6b7
>>218695129that happened to me. all these people say read harry potter and it kicked my ass. i realized you probably need to be at least b1 before picking it up.
>>218701960I began reading the preface of Michel Foucault's The Birth of the Clinic (probably wont understand or finish the book btw) and idk if i am a tard but i struggled to understand him due to his use of metaphors and the fact he doesnt say exactly what he means. How is this related to languages? I just think anyone who tries to read philosophy in their TL is delusional, or maybe it just isnt a realistic goal for me.>>218701804Im watching Berserk despite feeling like its mid just because many people like it/ say its good. To say that I am a retard is an understatement.
>>218702087I read that fragment in Spanish and still struggled to understand him. I forgot to clarify.
>>218701857>>218701901I used to watch her for Spanish input
>>218701552It's not that big of a deal. The danger is mostly in the very beginning because you don't know what's normal, but as time goes on you'll naturally learn to identify what's real speech and what isn't.It's like if you tried to learn English by only watching noir detective films, then you might end up talking like a noir detective. But if you watch 100 different movies of various genres, you'll quickly realize that the noir detective doesn't talk like a normal person.
>baile = town>mòr = big>baile-mòr = city
>>218685721Philately = collection/study of postage stampsI learned it from a bad roommate porn video.
Russian is hard
>>218703088...it's almost as if a city is a big town
>>218703466Calling a city town-big is some of the most caveman type shit I’ve ever heard. That’s like calling a car horse-metal.
>>218685721ergovis-a-visconcordantly
>>218703543>different languages are different>That’s like calling a car horse-metal.etymologically, car and horse are the same word :^)
>>218703652Ergo is a latin word and its also used in other languages, vis a vis is French apparently. I cant believe the French made a series villyfing Rome and glorifying Gauls, its like name one Gaul, they cant, but even average people know about Marcus Aurelius and Julius Caesar
>>218703543Calling a Neanderthal a "cave-man" is the most Neanderthalian type shit I've ever heard. That's like calling something that has been personally crafted "hand-made"
Anyone else /stealth/langing?
>>218702087>I began reading the preface of Michel Foucault's The Birth of the ClinicI hope you realize that this stuff is completely baseless: it's just the fantasy of a gay pedo philosopher coping that if science doesn't exist then he's just as good as a real doctor.
Average sentence in target language from:>Google Translate/ChatThe happy boys were dancing and drinking beer at the party until they got drunk and were sent home.>nativeniggerThe jubilant wankers were jestermaxxing and quaffing some draughts at the function until they got absolutely ossified and were convoyed to their crib
>>218686825I went from unemployed to employed and I find I study more than I did when I was unemployed although I did do a ton when I first made my TL content breakthrough, about 3-10 hours a day of inputtingJust get a routine
I think many of you novice langers are slowing yourselves down thinking consciously about the input and output of your TLs. I have a solution for this. Masturbation during non-porn input will force you to stop thinking of your language in that way. You'll relax and start interpreting it subconsciously, because you can't really keep it hard when solving it in your head like a math problem. This actually works and there are many benefits to this.
>>218706229>non-porn input
>>218706334Input that is not pornography. Films, audiobooks, podcasts etc..
>>218706463not familiar youre going to have to explain more clearly
>>218706559What I'm saying is that you should masturbate during your regular input sessions, assuming your input isn't porn.
using AI for language learning is really usefulyou can use it to make your study planyou can write a list of problems you had. feed the list to ai and it'll tell you what to study/work onchatting voice or text it's infinitely patient and you dont have to worry about looking stupidit can write up tests or grade your conversations and tell you what to work on. it really zeros in on your weak areas and gives you a daignosiswhat else?
>>218706980i use it to make microdrillsi write something have it make microdrills based on my errors
I have committed to German. EXPECT SLOW PROGRESS! I hope I can output some real German by June.I gave away all other language resources and kept German.I believe in myself this time lmao
And it's not some stroke of luck. I have been taking a non-stimulant ADHD medication for a month and I feel... less fickle. I don't second guess myself as much. But again, the medication takes full effect after 3 months of continuous use. So I think I will succeed this time.
>>218706980Keep in mind that getting used to AIspeak gives you false confidence>>218705629
>>218707587mood
Do they have a "the boy who cried wolf" story in Arabic
>>218699875I don't agree that they're number 2, but they made some of the best movies ever in the 30s-60s. they're top 2 in film at least, maybe #1.
>>218702087>I just think anyone who tries to read philosophy in their TL is delusionalpeople did this for all of history. it was just about the only thing to read, and it was why people wrote. they didn't have mass-printed smut novellas in those days.
>>218706980Only legit use I've found for it is speech recognition to create accurate TL subtitles and speech generation for creating audiobooks. It's not perfect, but better than nothing in most cases.>>218706229New /lang/ method divide will be between the "gooning during input" and "gooning after input" camps. But at least we can all agree that "gooning before input" is wrong and kills your energy and motivation.
>>218686825be like me and do anki at lunch and while taking a shit>>218707311what kind of fucking adhd med takes 3 months to work
learning Afrikaans, should I add Zulu or Swahili? I am a South-Africa enjoyer and Zulu is more related, but seeing my career is in international economics (development, energy, resources) Swahili seems to have better reach. What do?
What's the best way to learn modern Greek in only 4 months?
>>218713091colloquial Greek book (audio is online) and ankimaxxing and mining
>>218700760I'm grinding through memorising 1-3 at the moment, I think 4 and 5 are rarer so I'll cover them later. Interestingly the nominative case in Latin tells you sod all, you can't determine the gender or declension from it, so when learning Latin words you always learn it as nominative, genitive, as you can normally tell the declension from the genitive form, and often the gender.>rex, regīs
>>218712447Rewarding yourself with dopamine for doing your daily chores is always a bad idea. Do it during, not after.
where can i download some spanish dubbed films?
>>218694937hell ya bro i just finished the philosopher's stone, im a few chapters into the chamber of secretsit is going much better than i anticipated. i'd say the second book seems harder to read than the first, though.
>>218712447Gooning before input may actually improve clarity and focus.
ChatGPT rated my Spanish B2 when I thought it was C1
>>218712927>learning Afrikaans>flagthat's just statpadding
>>218715067>i'd say the second book seems harder to read than the first, though.It's a bit of a graded reader after all, meant to grow together with the kids reading it as each book came out.
>>218715819Just to be clear — B2 is a good result and nothing to be embarrassed about. It shows strong comprehension and real functional ability. These labels can undersell people sometimes, especially outside exam conditions. You’ve clearly put in work, and you’re much closer to your goal than this one rating suggests. Keep going.
>>218716342thank you fren
>>218717015it's all true, although i got my chatgpt to write it. but it spat out those words because of what i made it say, so it's on my behalf
>>218715819ChatGPT rated my TL C1 when I thought it was A2. It's clearly unreliable.
>>218717040That still makes it yours. The tool didn’t invent the meaning—you did. It just helped you find the words.
>>218715819People on the internet really exaggerate/overestimate their levels and then it makes everyone else get the wrong idea about what each level represents.
>>218718523i think part of it is it can be really hard to get an accurate level without actually sitting for a test so people guess
I asked ChatGPT to generate a C2-level text in French and it gave this. is this really C2?
>>2187007604th declension is very straightforward kek. Baltic languages (i.e. one of the few that preserve IE cases) have this very same thing, the plural of sūnus (son in Lithuanian) is sūnūs, dative is sūnui, so on. The neuter forms are even more simple in Latin, nearly all of them are the same in the singular.The third declension is where the actual bullshit lies because of how irregular it is, it has 3 sub-types (not to mention the eхceptions to those), comparatively unpredictable gender, etc.>>218713367This may be of use or interesting to you, anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I6Wltk57SY
>>218718927It reads more like a generic news article. I'd put it at B2 from >>218718523>I can read articles and reports concerned with contemporary problems in which the writers adopt particular attitudes or viewpoints. I can understand contemporary literary prose.
>>218718994interesting. do you happen to speak russian and maybe know if some stress patterns are because of this with some words? it would explain their peculiar stress patterns
it's incredible how much China has destroyed Chinese dialects in just 25 years.
Do you like the book I got, /lang/?
>>218719614I can speak it, yeah, but I don't know much about the specifics of its stress. What I can say, though, is that PIE also had multiple stress/pitch pattern categories that were preserved in (ancient) Greek, Sanskrit, and of course, Baltic and Slavic. In Lithuanian, these got more complicated when numerous sound changes occurred, e.g. Saussure's law or Leskien's law. Slavic languages also had some of these, but they did the opposite (usually) and simplified them - e.g. in Russian, there's no pitch distinction left.In regards to declensions, somewhat. Again, I don't know much about the specifics of Russian, but in Lithuanian, a word like pir̃štas has the instrumental form pirštù (i.e. the stress changes from the first to the last syllable). This is because the word once used to be pir̃štuo and had its stress predictably change because of Saussure's law.Somewhat related if you want to know more (no info on Russian, though):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGPfE-RT1jQ
>>218720112linguistic nationalism requires standardisation and destruction of diversitylook at what the soviets and the french did
>>218720112communists and fascists destroy their own culture as it paves way for a more controllable population, linguicide is the easiest way to do so since language is the heart of culture. Especially when everyone speaks one unified 'standard' dialect since then they don't even have any connection to the region of the country they hail fromThe CCP is more than happy reducing Han cultural attire down to a T-shirt and jeans, architecture to glass and steel skyscrapers covered in LEDs and language down to one regulated standard that's hammered down into every child through state ran education since at that point the only thing the Chinese will have left is solely the government when it comes to ethnic identity
>>218721101>communists and fascistsall nationalists actuallyeven beloved neoliberals
>>218721101It has nothing to do with communism and fascism, England, France, Germany, Italy all did this. Countries that don't do it are weaker, like Canada having to deal with Quebec separatism, or Spain having to deal with Catalan separatism.
>>218718927input is overpowered for western languages. I learned like 10+ words just reading through that without lookup. if it were arabic or korean I wouldve learned 0 words. western euro languages are so baby tier easy its unreal
>>218722341yeah, you can get to that reading level in French very quickly. just takes some getting used to the grammar.the only thing that really keeps confusing me is usage of "se"
>>218701552due to zipfian distribution most of the words you encounter will also be found outside of anime
>>218720112They aren't really dialects, they're different languages. Cantonese and Mandarin for example are more like Portuguese and Italian in terms of difference. Other languages like Zhuang or Hokkien are practically like English and Czech in terms of difference. The only reason they are considered dialects is the moon rune writing system. It's actually a good thing to have one national language, having to learn 300 languages to travel around your own country is fucking retarded.
I have a Mexican coworker but I'm too embarrassed to say anything in spanish
if you take the FSI estimatesand double them (since the learners spent as much time out of classroom as in classroom)but account for the benefits you get from language similarity (e.g italian is much easier to learn after knowing spanish, even moreso for swedish-norwegian)learning french + german + spanish + italian + portuguese + swedish + norwegian COMBINED to a b2 level takes less time than learning either chinese, japanese or korean (just one) to a c1 leveland arguably the same amount of time as learning one to B2
>>218724001Some translator of Japanese wrote in his biography that you could learn Russian, French, German and Italian in the time it took you to learn Japanese and each language would provide you a richer literary reward than Japanese wouldThat's why I abandoned Japanese, it's just going to take too longI don't really know how you could learn so many languages thoughI only have 3 languages and I'm struggling to give them all the time they deserve
>>218723648>zhuangit's a tai language and not at all related to Mandarin>the only reason they are considered dialects is the writing systemno, a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. which is why Cantonese was always thought of as another language, not a dialect, because it had its own political power in the form of Hong Kong (and Macao).>learn 300 languagesbut because of the shared writing system, throughout history this was never a problem, which is why the dialects survived as long as they didalso its still hard to understand people from far away because their Mandarin is not perfectly standard either. Nobody speaks 100% standard mandarin as their day-to-day language because it's an artificial creation. Even people from Chengde in Hebei (Chengde dialect is what putonghua mandarin was based on) use words that are considered dialectal and nonstandard in daily speech. Which is why newsreaders have to take an exam to check they can speak proper putonghua.>>218724001it's better to be able to speak a rarely spoken language to a very good level than six random european languages to a middling level
>>218724001But only Japanese allows you to understand anime girls
how to learn croatian. a1 input. lets go
what is the best language exchange app? I am not looking for dating
>>218724624>a1 inputYou can use any beginner textbook that includes audio.https://languagelearning.site/category/croatian/Assimil is a good choice, TL text and audio are still usable even if you don't speak French, you just need to do your own lookups/translation.https://annas-archive.li/search?q=assimil+croate
>>218701552Yes this is true they specifically use a 300 year outdated formal register of Kagoshima dialect Japanese for anime and anime only, so you shouldn't even bother with anime for learning japanese since no one will be able to understand you or somethingthis is like saying that you shouldn't use books, tv shows or movies to learn english because they don't include the most up-to-date version of zoomcattleniggerspeak™ so it's like useless riteJust don't be autistic enough to believe that talking like a battle shounen protag is standard practice and you'll be fine as long as you consume other forms of media and not purely anime (depends on your goals though)>>218723648this may be a novel concept and i understand that historically the chinese haven't been the brightest but it's in fact possible to speak multiple languages and you don't have to genocide everything else in order to have a proper lingua franca; actually they used classical chinese and that hasn't been anyone's native language for around 1900 years of its official usage in government, so i fail to see how the chinese could fail at learning a language closely related to their native language for formal purposesBut muh efficiency or something so they should all just begin speaking english since that's what everyone uses :)>>218724932from what i can gather all language exchange apps are just thinly veiled dating apps so you'd have to look for natives on the social media sites and such that are popular in their country
>>218724932just talk to other men retard
>>218724932goose goose duck
>>218720112germans have gotten quite good at it too. what's the situation there?
Anyone have a good Spanish core vocab deck? Ideally with LatAm pronunciation. I tried playing around with a few European languages to learn on the side with my JP and Spanish is what I've decided. I liked the style of the Refold 1k French deck, so does anyone have the Spanish version?
seems like b1 speechifying is not enough
Is using an AI for learning a language THE most efficient way for a man living in 2020s? I mean, the LLMs are literally trained on trillions of natural language words configurations, so the chance that they answer something gramatically incorrect is close to zero - you'd have a bigger chance misapplying a rule you've read about in self study than this.What I'm thinking is telling the AI to always correct my grammar mistakes but otherwise hold a natural conversation with me. I ask nothing about any rules as it can hallucinate - the LLMs are basically a probability machine outputing the next most likely word, so I think no risk with that.Has anybody tried something similar?
>>218688569Saluton kaj bonvenon. Ĉu vi kapablas alproksimigi vian nivelon de la lingvo, denove, nur proksimume?
>>218727649I like giving Grok example sentences from my immersion, explaining the context, and having it help me understand difficult grammar points or phrases. It usually provides useful feedback
Pretty coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZD05xm15Kc
>the language has an informal you vs formal you that is also a plural you thingI translate the formal you as ya’ll in my notes and on anki and just pretend ya’ll is formal.
>>218727649its useful for translations, glosses, explanations. it's not useful for conversation, the writing is very unnatural. the farther you get from english the worse the writing is.but if you're already fairly competent in your target language you can interact with ai as you normally would but in TL just for getting extra input time. as an alternative to other forms of study its not worth it though
sigh
>>218685721>>218703155Because they made a pun about fellatio? I was going to say numismatics
>>218728194french? russian? which IE language is it?
is he right or retarded?
>>218733310He's a clickbaiter. I wouldn't trust his advice on learning languages because he has less experience with it than the worst fake polyglot he's reviewed.
chatgpt, here is my test. grade it and identify weak areas for futher study with reference material suggestions
Anyone have any specific resources for chinese? I did 2 semesters of a weekly online class so I know the basics.
>>218735714new practical chinese reader textbook series is the default recommendation to solo studiers. It's good but starts getting boring after book 3.you should also learn all the radicals
>>218685623Sauce on the File name data?
>>218733310most of his videos are reaction slop where he has nothing to addalso he said one of his favorite movies is ready player one, which should tell you all you need to know about him.
>>218737098https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc1vpZ89lHc
>>218737019Yeah I have physical copies here, but it does get boring.
>>218738638idk really what you should do when you're just starting out with Chinese because it was so long ago for me and how people learn the basics has probably changed a lotPeking University's yanta textbook series is also quite good and it uses almost entirely Chinese with minimal English annotation, but this might be a bit too hard for you rn
>>218738497Thanks boss.
Is it bad that half of my sessions are spent using chatgpt? When I see a sentence and I'm confused about something, I ask chatgpt to break it down and explain the nuances, I also let it give me feedback for trying to understand somethingI know it's not super accurate, but it's accurate 90% of the time (I validated it) and that's good enough for me. The next best thing I could think of would be talking to an actual tutor, but that's too expensive. Searching just doesn't let me ask the same specific questions
>>218731522I’ve done this for every IE language I’ve studied that has this distinction, including German and Italian.
Music is the worst form of input and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>218740897Fuck you, the only knowledge of languages in which I'm A0 albeit >0 words comes from remembering lyrics and getting curious about their meaning.I can't speak no Castillian but I know what todas las promesas de mi amor iran contigo means.
>>218740897I learned many English expressions from Carly Rae Jepsen in middle school
have you ever realised that you've been saying/writing something wrong for the entire time you've been learning a language but nobody ever corrected you on it?I realised last week that banana in Chinese is written 香蕉 when I have been writing 香脚 for the last six years...
>>218727795Esperantlingve? Mi pensas ĉirkaŭ A2 aŭ A2, eble B1
>>218740897Watching the Dreaming Spanish vids where they try to understand Bad Bunny and Rosalia lyrics is very informative. No one knows what it means, but it's provocative. Inputting music is closer to Khatzumoto eating cake with chopsticks to learn Japanese.
>>218737435>his favorite movies is ready player oneholy shit kek
dead thread
>>218742575i used to mistake 厨 for 府 so i was confused why people were referring to some things as urban prefectures when they were actually calling them -fags>I realised last week that banana in Chinese is written 香蕉 when I have been writing 香脚 for the last six years..if no one ever noticed then it should have been fine but at the same time the chinese sing praises to anyone who can do more than introduce themself in mandarin so they probably just kept quietstill better than the speakers of certain languages who overcorrect normal sentences because they want to feel superior (whilst being barely bilingual ESLs)
>>218737435>he said one of his favorite movies is ready player oneas a joke right?
>>218744587no, he mentioned watching it for practice because he'd already watched it a bunch in english in one of his dreaming spanish videos
>>218726399It's literally in the OP.>>218739047It's fine if you're using it as an additional explanation after lookups/translation fails to bridge the gap in your understanding. But it's also important how you're prompting it and whether it's just dumping a bunch of abstract grammar explanations on you or actually helping you build an intuition for the language. That can be a subtle distinction. I wouldn't overrely on it, if simple lookups and translate consistently fail for you, then you're inputting something above your level anyway and you should go back to more basic texts.>>218740897Yeah, it's a distraction. If I don't catch myself, I could easily waste an hour or two just listening to music instead of inpooting. It's good for breaks between input sessions though, to just relax without completely exiting the immersion bubble.
What's wrong with czech, why does it sound so weird
>>218747388Czech sounds dignified as fuck. What do you even mean?
what a language
>>218740897if youre just passively listening to music youre not getting much, but if youre actually memorizing song lyrics to songs your eally like its one of the fastest ways to get vocabulary to stick
>>218739047i made a script where I press a hotkey to toggle a little overlay window on youtube that feeds the active subtitle to grok so I can immediately ask questions and get explanations with no friction
no matter how much I practice, I will always have an american accent
>>218749959Whats the language?
>>218740897Its very effective if you go line by line and mine a song you like. I've learned plenty of JP words that way
>>218751423>mining words>from a medium that's naturally mnemonic
>>218751503I don't see the problem.
I asked Chat-GPT to assess my chats/posts both in TL and NL for likelihood of native speech. Interestingly, it concludes that my NL output is less or about as likely to be native speech as my TL output.
>>218749959just don't make every vowel a diphthong and you'll be fine.
>>218751846disgustingly european
>>218751630No matter how many times chat gpt tells you you'll never be a woman either
>>218752021you do realize that poleleaf is a FTM transgender right not MTF no takesies backsies you dun goofed
>>218715064Sometimes they post entire movies to youtube. https://youtu.be/Z8iBblJ4vH4?si=CHfICSePxYszp8H7 just search 'pelicula completa en español' and maybe you will find a movie that interests you on youtube. Otherwise 'name of the movie in Spanish' + completa en español.You can also try looking for a movie and filtering it by 'longer than 20 minutes' on youtube. Sadly i feel like Russian and English has better piracy ecosystems, but maybe i just dont know where to look. Piracy is always a nightmare.You can also find movies on youtube playlists by consecutive clips, so like parte 1, parte 2, but this rarely works cause the tards who make these playlists usually include unrelated clips.As always there are free platforms to watch movies in Spanish but these are usually shitty when compared to something like Netflix, Vix is an example.There are other websites apparently but i havent tried them and im not sure if they are good.https://tubitv.com/es-mxhttps://pluto.tv/latam/live-tv/63eb9255c111bc0008fe6ec4?lang=enThe AI just reminded me about the existence of cuevana but iirc its kind of shitty lol. They redirect you to other pages iirc.
sorry for the spacing. I need to be more careful with that.
>>218752119...my bad, I thought I was replying to the basque one
>>218752180>El Hombre con Cabeza Grande
>>218752240https://vix.com/es-es/ondemand/seriesI just looked it up because its a very popular childrens movie, im more likely to find something like that than something like casablanca or chinatown Megamente is a literal translation of Megamind.
>>218751846Are you planning to read roman philosophy/ fiction in latin for input? wikipedia pages get translated to Latin sometimes, but i dont think there are other resources for input.
The death of Latin is the saddest thing in the history of languages. Latin words make Italian, Spanish and French look so lame in comparison.
>>218752765The aim is to be able to read religious, occult etc texts in Latin, I've set the goal of getting to the point where I can read the New Testament in it, not sure how long that will take.
Why did Germanic tribes have to destroy the Roman Empire? Why were they so evil?
How do I stop being A2aggot? A2 brap trap really kills me mang... have this feel that I could use the language but the vocabulary and the confidence is so lacking, have to look for wayarounds to express myself
>>218754013Talk to natives
>>218753887why did the romans have to rape, pillage, and kill in germanic settlements? this is mutual, don't be a fag about this
Anyone here learning Afrikaans? It's the easiest language for English speakers by far (and even easier for Dutchies for obvious reasons)>only one "the">no verb conjugation beyond past/present/future>very consistent pronunciation rulesEk het vir agt maande Afrikaans gestudeer, dis 'n pragtige taal en baie maklik!
>>218754784i like it but you don't and neither do you care about it nor south africa, let's be real. just man up and learn what you actually want to learn and put in the effort. you will not learn afrikaans.
>>218754784>Easiest language for English speakersMy dad grew up in south Africa and everyone had to learn Afrikaans but he was so bad that he was held back two years lol
I was going to ask a question but i found the answer in the archive and im recognising posts i made from years ago
>>218754877basierter erinnerer des vergangenen
>>218754784Ja, ek het probeer om TV programme te vind om te kyk.>>218754828>i like it but you don't and neither do you care about it nor south africaPic related, how blud looked while typing this.
>>218756393have you thought this through? afrikaans is spoken by a few couple whites in south africa, while most of them speak mainly english. maybe it gives you an easier time comprehending dutch, but what for? do you care about afrikaans media, if there is such a thing? do you care about south africa? and if so, how is your choice afrikaans and not one of the more widely spoken languages there? i have seen this before with people learning indonesian because they watched a youtube video that said it had "very simple grammar" and is therefore easy to learn, but what are you gonna do? there are only so many indonese action flics you can watch until you realize that country blows. what is it that fascinates you about south africa besides afrikaans being "quite easy to learn"?
>>218756717I'm not the first guy, but I like Afrikaner culture and I have white South African friends. Language learning is literally just a fun hobby for me. I study what I like because I'm a native English speaker, rendering every other language equally useless to me.Either way, being this concerned about what another grown man does with his time makes me think you need some kind of high octane autism pills, otherwise you're never going to make any friends and will continue being a miserable fat pig on 4chan for the rest of your life.
>>218756784fair enough, but that other guy's post was really just "wow it's so easy it's practically a freebee" like lol yeah for sure, just that it's really of no use at all if you otherwise have nothing to do with south africa.i learned a language with 5 millions native speakers to fluency and don't regret it, but it takes a little more than straight forward grammar, i'm sure you'd agree, since you have a reason, as you say >because I'm a native English speaker, rendering every other language equally useless to meunless you decide to travel i guess >otherwise you're never going to make any friends and will continue being a miserable fat pig on 4chan for the rest of your lifei'm engaged and soon to finish my baccalaureate, think i'll be fine. should that change, that's fine too, don't really care that much.
I'm still learning English
>>218722341If you think the biggest shit you'll encounter while learning Korean is vocabulary, you're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
>>218756883이 언어 너무 어렵다
>>218757043>어렵다korean phonotactics are more complex than i thought. i learned to read hangul a while ago but never studied korean itself. kinda interesting.
>>218757043to be honest, > 이 언어 너무 어렵다Even though the sentence is perfectly fine and doesn’t sound weird at all, it still kinda feels like a foreigner wrote it.
https://x.com/candaceReading1/status/2014713268787421651Being a public figure must be exhausting. If you just slip out a B without aspirating it into a P you will be roasted in front of millions
can you do output drills with AI?like>i am really gay (20x)and then the AI tells you how many mistakes you madeif i have to fuck with audio files it's not worth itmaybe google transcribe?
Duolingo vere fariĝis fekaĵo
>>218754784What benefit does it bring
>>218757118yeah the language learning materials were a massive giant waste. I should've just listened to krashen and inpooted from the beginning
I want incomprehensible input
>>218757073alright. now read this뽧쀍뷃뚫뛔쀑쓿핥읊
>>218758571personally i am working hard on uncomprehensible output
>>218756853This is the reason east asians can't speak english.
I want to learn a Romance language but I'm struggling to choose between Spanish, French, and Italian.Spanish is the most useful for me, living in Los Estados Unidos, but IMO Italian is the most beautiful looking and sounding, and French interests me because my family is French-Canadian.
>>218759101I might speak better English than you
>>218756853Your image is way too autistic. Your understanding of those phrases would be better improved by improving your understanding of the individual verbs and visualizing them.>The question arisesSince the verb "arises" is intransitive, it makes the phrase sound more passive and spontaneous. Like the question "arose" naturally all on its own (maybe from the context of the conversation) rather than someone intentionally bringing it up>the question is raisedOpposite of "arise". This sounds like someone intentionally brought up/raised a specific question.>The question is posedSimilar to raised but makes it sound like more thought and consideration was put into forming the question. You can think of it metaphorically like someone is working as a photographer and they are meticulously posing all of their props in the right positions to make the perfect photo. But instead of props, they are metaphorically posing all of their thoughts and the context of the conversation to form the perfect question.
Anyone managed to learn / learning korean with VNs? I found a publisher, TalesShop, that has a bunch of titles on steam. Are there any other good ones? any eroge VNs?
>>218756853>A comparative matrix of how to sound like a fucking dipshit
>>218759357learn portuguese
>>218760397Isn't it the most difficult Romance language? Other than Romanian but that one is a bit niche for me. Though I suppose if I could master Portuguese, the other Romance languages would be incredibly easy in comparison.
>>218759357I'm in the same boat including heritage. I've played around with both Spanish and French to try them out, and Spanish was far less painful so I will probably learn it first. If I still feel like learning French later, knowing Spanish will help.
>>218761159There seems to be a lot of crossover between all of the Romance languages with how things like the reflexive pronouns work and how verbs are conjugated for person and number, so really after you learn one of them, acquiring another is as simple as learning a new set of slightly different vocabulary. Easier said than done, but if you eventually want to learn both, I feel like Spanish would be the better option to start with since content is more widely available and easily accessible for people in the USA.
Why does Lang die every monday
>>218762858Has less neets than other threads
>>218757549you get to hang out with colored south africans (they're the majority of afrikaans speakers)
>>218763553That's an interesting thought. What other European languages are spoken by a nonwhite majority?>English (India, Africa)>French (Africa, Arab world)>Portuguese (Brazil)Spanish maybe? But probably more an edge case
Papiamento is the Afrikaans of Romance languages
>>218685623as a beginner doing fsi spanish. unit 1 was all pronunciation. unit 2 was 90% pronunciationthen the unit 2 end drills hit me like a brick. it's like being a little kid getting your feet wet in a pool from pages 1-60 the first two hoursthen somebody shows up on like page 62 and tosses you in the deep end and gives you 2 seconds to answer repeated sentence construction voice drills. they were just teaching me how to say b/v not 5 minutes ago
>>218753887rome had already destroyed itself by repeatedly debasing its currency and embracing degeneracy, among several other follies. if they were so great, a bunch of backwater krauts couldn't've done any harm.in reality rome was hardly much better than any other state in history. they were just the first who kept good enough records throughout their lifespan such that we could learn both the good and the bad.
Suprenigo
>>218686825>This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me fuck workingThats what happens when you live in a capitalist hellscape, and not a superior Juche nation
>>218762858Language learning is a hobby for people who are more well adjusted to the realities of adulthood, such as employment and getting pussy. Other threads are full of neets who jerk it all day.Sent from my 15th ciggie break of the day (I don't even smoke)
>>218762858Other than random tidbits that I think are interesting while learning my TL, what else is there to post about? Methods? Hopes and dreams?
>>218766069We used to have challenges but not since ~2023. But if you go through the archives they were the main source of activity in lang until then
>>218766228I remember those. I never found them particularly useful though, especially if a native never saw it. But, it’s better than nothing happening. Why did they stop?
>>218766069>Hopes and dreams?Post em. My hopes and dreams are that I get a cute French gf
>>218759780There's Korean patches for ToHeart2, Kin'iro Loveriche, and a whole bunch of other Jap VNs out there. Some Yuzusoft games have Korean patches too that integrate directly into the system they use where you can have the text appear in two languages at the same time.Just look around vndb.org for cool looking Korean shit and Jap shit translated to Korean. You usually get direct links to the patches too, just need to be careful not to step on a MTL patch.
>>218762858On Mondays, motivation is high to accomplish goals and aspirations, so I resist navigating to four channel dot org and other distracting websites.Sometimes though, like today, I somehow end up lurking again.
>>218759780Koreans started making shit FMV dating sims in 2024 after the success of the kino Chinese FMV dating sims in 2023. You can use those :)
>>218767154what arabic dialect are you learning?
>>218768983French (Canadian)
>>218764375FSI is built on the assumption that you would spend 10 hours a day cramming itWhy would you as a normal person ever use it
>>218764262>English (India, Africa)anglo countries still hold the line in native speakers, african pidgins don't count and it still has more white speakers even once you include L2 because of europe, proper english fluency is still low even in south asia and british africaspeaking normal standard english is a sign of high intellect/rich upbringing in sub-saharan africa, if nigerian pidgin speakers count then filipinos code switching every 5 words between tagalog and english would count too, which is retarded>Spanish maybe?it's quite literally the definition of a brown language, there are hundreds of millions more dirt brown latinxers than spaniardsother countries didn't colonise as well so they haven't spread their language to browns around the world, the closest language that hasn't been mentioned would be something like dutch if you consider afrikaans a dialect or whatever>>218761227i mean they split way later than the germanic languages and you would be able to understand most germanic speakers if it wasn't for english going the analytic route and high german undergoing a sound shift that killed whatever remained of the mutual intelligibility, you could learn something like swedish or dutch with only a dictionary and some reading material if you wanted to really badly>>218759780I don't get the appeal of korean, it's basically a worse sounding, more grammatically complex, more homophone filled and a less useful version of japanese, its whole entertainment industry was spawned by the government so westerners would somewhat care about them before they get stalin spammed into oblivion by the north in roughly 30 yearsBut hangul is faster to handwrite than japanese in cherrypicked comparisons so it's automatically better according to social media
>>218685623I've been doing Dreaming Spanish. I'm currently at a low Intermediate level.What TV shows would be considered Intermediate?
>>218771035Avatar the Last AirbenderBreaking BadCobra Kai
It's freezing in Texas but I still mine.
I've been inpootting spanish on netflix and I've found some decent series and movies so far. I recommended them to a couple of non language learner friends when we were discussing series and movies but they both told me that they won't watch anything that isn't in english. seems pretty weird to me since they watch everything with finnish subtitles anyway. well, at least it's not my problem.
>>218771035Nothing. Anything for natives is at a minimum high intermediate, but frequently harder than advanced (on the dreaming spanish scale).You can try watching the latam dub of dragon ball, that's towards the easier end of the scale.
>>218771035Peppa Pig if you want to follow DS methodology and avoid reading.Otherwise, any show you can find with mostly accurate subs + Language Reactor to do lookups.
>>218771728DB dub is not that easy in my opinion. It's old and the audio is not very clear. Avatar was much easier for me.
>>218772030I haven't watched Avatar so I can't compare but if you're ok with not understanding everything dragonball should be ok at a low intermediate level.
few couple months of studying spanish and i can effortlessly play civilization in spanish. i was never really into romance languages, but they're growing on me and spanish now sounds giga kino to me. especially iberian spanish, and how it sounds so greek kek just a giga comfy language
>>218773314ok one question: how does this construction work? "Que se sepa que..." i understand it means something like "may it be known that..." but what's the grammatical breakdown of this? and is this purposly written like that because it's julius caesar talking or is this also a common thing to say nowadays
>>218773848It's called imperative and it's common.
>>218773848May it be known that your empire is our friend and that we are joined in friendship. I dont know the grammatical breakdown.
>>218774966apparently, as someone else has told me, que + subjunctive makes optative. so this is the optative mood. it makes a great lot of sense actually, absolutely kino
Apparently Latin had 6 cases and a neutral pronoun. None of the major Romance languages have a neutral pronoun, what a downgrade. If cases are so hard, why did Russian and other languages keep it while Romance languages dropped it?. The neutral pronoun will never make a comeback because of the grammar police and linguistic prescriptivists.
>>218775683>neutral pronounisn't the masculine basically used for that in the romance languages?
sure, but if 2 gud, why no 3?
>>218775802You do use masculine to address groups of people that contain men and women, even if its a group with mostly women and a minority of guys, but progressives end up saying the male and female version of a word to address both.Like 'compañeros y compañeras'. This is not necessarily from a grammatical standpoint but some people do it.
Mi estas tre laciga ĉar preskaŭ ĉiun tagon mankis tempo al mi, en tiu situacio daŭros por ĉirkaŭe unu monaton. Ĉiutage. Eble unu horo libera ekde mateno ĝis la nokto.Nur laboro en nenia ludo faras Adamon enuiga knabo.
>while Romance languages dropped it [cases]not Romanian desu
>>218761099checked.>most difficulti can't definitively comment on this part because i don't know any other romance languages. If you are like me when I started learning (murican, 0 language experience), then you will find some stuff hard, but most of it is probably common across romance languages:- clitic words and clitic pronouns- dropping pronounsThe only things I can think of that are kind of tricky that are more unique to portuguese, from what i know, are:- future conjunctive (i think spanish has this too?)- personal infinitive, which is extremely common, but not something you really need to learn for awhile. it's very logical within the context of portuguese language but probably isnt worth spending time on for some time.- the sounds. from what I have been told, continental spanish has very few distinct vowel sounds, while Portuguese has a lot that are differentiated in how people hear them. Most of the time if you say something wrong, like trading a nasalized vowel for a non-nasal vowel, people will get what you mean. rarely does it lead to total confusion in my experience.Probably the biggest difficulty is that if you learn pt-pt, it will be harder to find good resources for comprehensible input because it is a country of 10 million people. Therefore by near necessity, you have to also learn Brazilian portuguese to some extent, in order to find sufficient input/exposure/friends to practice with. in my case, i actually have trouble understanding Brazilians because I don't get enough pt-br input.>>218771942>tfw no peppa pig in hrvatski without buying netflixthanks for your tips for assimil btw, i have it all downloaded.
Was ist up, mein Diggas! :-D
in slavic languages, if you were to cover a song sung by a woman for example, while being a man, would you adjust the lyrics so that verbal past tense agrees with you being masculine, or would you keep the lyrics as they were
>>218701552>they use words that natives don't usepeople often say this about every language but words are words and a bigger vocab is better. tv dramas might not use street language but they use proper language which is more useful for real life than casual language.also songs are good if you also read the lyrics.
>>218776845>would you adjust the lyrics so that verbal past tense agrees with you being masculineI would imagine it would depend on the artistic intent. A faithful original doesn't need to be changed. But you see it in English where some covers will change the pronouns to fit the singers gender.
>>218776114yeah, but it only has two cases (three if you count the vocative)
>>218771035limited domain watching is what you wantpick one subject or popular videogame or something that you can watch for hundreds of hours and for which there is lots of existing content and watch that
>>218777315this is actually the most research supported method also. limited domain watching gives 2-3x the gains per hour as broad multi-domain inputI recommend a multiplayer social videogame because you can play the game once you get proficient and practice outputting in a familiar setting
>>218776845Can pretty much conform what the britanon says, some people do, some don't, e.g. this is a cover of a woman-song where all the forms and pronouns are left unchanged:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPQb7sXNbGAI have def heard songs (at least in my natlang) where they're changed, though. I'd guess it's not as common in Slavic langs, 'cause you have to consider that many word tend to be longer in their feminine forms than in masculine, so changing them to masculine can mess with the flow of the song, but not always.
>>218777387KEK i was thinking of a флёp-song aswell, but this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5epVgHJmXR8
/clg/ is more active than /lang/
I like formal language and honorifics. I don't understand why people complain about it
>>218769879>I don't get the appeal of koreanit's the best language on the planet for gaming.i low-key regret not learning japanese instead though. popular opinion mislead me into believing that japanese was harder when it's actually much, much easier to speak and understand
In east Asia objective and subjective is "host view" and "guest view" which makes so much sense. Japanese cooked so hard with making equivalent words to Western concepts, keeping it logical without lazily making direct calques
>>218779499I like comparing how Chinese and Japanese made different translations of western words (in the rare cases where it happened)airport: Chinese 機場 (airplane field) Japanese 空港 (sky port)input: Chinese 輸入 (transport enter) Japanese 入力 (enter power)pixel: Chinese 像素 (image element) Japanese 畫素 (painting element)Unfortunately there aren't that many of these since the Japanese basically gave up making calques and switched to disgusting loanwords
>>218779806Do Japs still use 天干 for A, B, C or did they bend the knee? Chinese now say 維生素 A instead of 甲 which is really disappointing
Why are Slavic languages so :( aaaaaahAlso anyone here actually started learning a italic language ? Because this I also don’t get how you study (especially alone)
>>218777380>this is actually the most research supported method also. limited domain watching gives 2-3x the gains per hour as broad multi-domain inputsauce?
>>218775683>If cases are so hard, why did Russian and other languages keep it while Romance languages dropped itSlavs have a higher IQ than colony cattle.
>>218780550I think I already posted this before but maybe Czech, Slovenian, or Croatian would be more "pleasant" than the other depressing Slavic countriesItaly can be kind of depressing too even though Italian is popular
>>218776746>no peppa pig in hrvatskiDid you even bother to search?https://www.youtube.com/@PeppaPigHrvatskiSluzbeni/videos
>>218776104>Nur laboro en nenia ludo faras Adamon enuiga knabo.Mi ridis.Kelkajn tagojn (aŭ semajnojn) al mi ankaŭ mankas tempo. Mi laboras por mi mem sed ankaŭ pro kontraktoj, do la kvantito de laboro multe varias.
>>218759357Similar spot as you and the other american (grandmother is from Quebec) and I chose French. I think if I could do it over I'd choose Spanish. French listening is brutal by comparison. You also actually will run into situations where you can use it, especially in cities or in certain industries. Lastly, spanish speakers seem to be much more forgiving.
Estas kiom da esperantistoj en ĉi tiu fadeno?
>>218775683>and a neutral pronoun..there was a neuter gender; Latin had 3 gendersyou word this shit as if there were simply a pronoun and nothing else, missing the point of what a pronoun isa pronoun is a "stand-in" for a noun, so obviously the genders have to agree; you cannot have a neuter pronoun without neuter nouns to refer to
>>218781330>Italy can be kind of depressing tooItalian culture is quite melancholic, much more than normies think, but not so much as the Portuguese culture
>>218782169Yeah i was wrong >>218776057
>>218781228Are you referring to Italy, Spain and France as colonies? their institutions dictate the correct usage of Italian, Spanish and French respectively
>Cailleach = old woman>Oidhche = night>Cailleach-oidhche = owlWhat did they mean by this?
Is Basqueleaf gone?
>>218776746I am too easily swayed because now I'm doing beginner Portuguese input. Thanks for the nudge in a direction anon, otherwise I probably would've just procrastinated for another two weeks.
getting there
>>218718518>That still makes it yours. The tool didn’t invent the meaning—you did. It just helped you find the words.good outpoot by your gpt, i agree.
is there a good AI for speaking practice? I want it to correct me, coach me etc.
It's impressive how chinese (arabic too) can scram in so much meaning into very short sentences,is it due to over complication of alphabets ?
>>218782944>Italy>ruled the world on antiquity>was the center of the world during the dark ages>dragged culture into the modern era>nowadays it's barely a bit player on the world stage and is more known for pasta than cultural and political mightI'd be melancholic too
I'm simply bad at learning languages
>>218787902I will never get over it and im not even Italian
>>218788738You'll get better :)
>>218718927Reading comprehension is very different from speaking and oral comprehension, particularly with French. I breezed through that text and posed counterpoints and made commentary in French in my head. I would rate myself at B2 though because I‘ve lost much vocabulary on an intuitive recall level through years of neglect. If you want to say you’re C2 or even C1, you should be able to formulate that sort of text on the fly as well as understand a native speaker say it and not just be able to read it.
>>218771942Peppa Pig sucks. I hate Gen Alpha for cursing us with that shit show.>>218777315>>218777380>video gamesany suggestions for videogames with Spanish audio? I've been playing Pokemon for reading input and it's been helpful, now I generally understand most of the vocab except for obscure words.But I really need audio input because my audio comprehension is far behind my reading comprehension. What are video games with good audio for Spanish?
