>>219930979
German is way too difficult and overcomplicated for one learn as a foreign language within its lifetime

>>219931072
Is it the grammar?

>>219930979
my question isnt directly related to language learning and is pretty general but how do you develop the willpower to consistently do and learn anything? When the novelty of learning anything fades and difficulties come, how do you keep going?

I gave up on russian and my japanese learning is on life support. I just want to read Loan Shark ushijima

I like many languages but I don't know which one to learn first. So I decided that the language with the most interesting books and songs wins. I'm ashamed to admit that it's french. Here we go

how to fix french grammar?

>>219933398
Latinizing it

>>219933272
It feels pretty good to make progress and notice how you're able to do things you weren't able to do before.

No wonder this site is dying. This captcha is torturous to do.

>>219933235
everything

>>219933272
>how do you develop the willpower to consistently do and learn anything?
Cultivate discipline over motivation, which is easier said than done. If you can't do that, try to link the language you're learning to subjects or things you enjoy. The more you grow in your language, the more complex things you can branch into.

It can be oddly rewarding to sit down and finally understand a full episode of peppa pig.

>>219933627
>>219934255
thanks for the advice, what languages are you guys learning?

>>219933286
quitter

>>219934300
Mandarin, which can be incredibly overwhelming and unfun at times.

>>219933286
I've been learning german for months and it feels like my progress is slow, but I'm getting there

>>219931072
>>219933286
Learn Toki Pona

>>219934300
I am the eternal dabbler and have tried a bunch of slavic languages since 2022

Is anyone else put off by the fact that in Hindi/Indian languages they took names of all other countries from English and didn't change them in any way at all? It's like your language is completely vibes based and has no rules. I thought Hindi was supposed to be a dignified language with thousands of years of history but it treats loanwords like a fucking endangered African tribe language that hasn't discovered writing yet and it quite frankly disgusts me

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>>219933272
Idk, I only lose interest in languages for countries I don't really care about that much. My absurd fascination with the DPRK is the only reason I have stuck with Korean for so many years.
I have dabbled with many languages, and I don't think its a bad thing to dabble. I think the way out of dabbling is to travel more and see if you really like a place or not, or like become autistcially obsessed with a place/culture.
Obsession is a good drive of progress :)

>>219933272
I don't think "willpower" is the thing you need. It's a very blunt instrument that gets you to ignore your current instincts and keep going for a little bit, but demotivation is often just a signal that whatever you're doing isn't working, so applying willpower is just doubling down on something that doesn't work until you burn out.

Most motivational problems are a problem of knowledge and know-how, rather than discipline or stress-tolerance. When you stumble on the right path, the work will feel compelling and results will be obvious to you, but this requires experimentation and tinkering, paying attention when the work feels frustrating and when it feels good. It's also about questioning or outright ignoring mainstream, "common sense" and folk-prescribed methods and tools. The way information might be presented in a textbook is not necessarily the optimal way to acquire it, for you or people in general. You should assume that this correct path is unknown, obscure, but ultimately discoverable through enough tinkering. And you'll have to discover this path time and time again for each new subject you want to tackle. Figuring out language learning, won't help you learn chess or kickboxing.

So yeah, "willpower" is not enough. Most of all, you just need luck. Sometimes you stumble on right path immediately and people think you're somehow more "talented", other times you struggle for years until you have a breakthrough. Fundamentally, it's a search problem and we start at radically different points.

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>>219930979
Anyone else learning the language of their ancestors? My grandparents were Ukrainian, not to mention my dad speaks it so I want to be able to speak it to him

Also, is anyone else learning Ukrainian? It seems pretty obscure and people only know about it because of the war.
I would also think it's cool to visit it (when there's no more war obviously) especially if I could speak their language
.
>"B-But you should learn Russian instead because every slavic country can speak it including Ukraine!"
You may be right but, иди нa хyй

>>219933272
visions of acquiring qt east asian gf sustain me day and night

>>219933272
People are motivated by either a) social drives, b) intrinsic enjoyment/engagement, the activity is stimulating itself like a videogame is, or c) survival/basic needs. Other motives (e.g just a vague generic desire for 'accomplishment') are not primary motives. The goal is just to tie the activity to an actual, genuine, deep drive.

But there is a little hack I learned in cognitive science which is that just getting lots of spaced reps builds habits really well. E.g, instead of the shitty old psychology advice ("do it every day at x time exactly to build the habit") do the activity several times a day every day but only commit to small sessions (you can do longer sessions if you want to but don't commit to any specific length). The frequent repetitive reinforcement + low strain/low stress builds atomicity really quickly and makes it easy to engage

>>219937303
i agree. i was trying to practice writing. everyone says write a journal. it never worked for me. i started writing summaries of books and movies i liked and all of a sudden i was consistent and enjoyed it.

I don't want to do anything else except 10 words from Anki. I have all the possible materials to learn German, it is useful, I like the way it sounds, I have no problem with learning it regularly, but I can only do the bare minimum. They could develop some better soft power to be frank

>>219937605
>Anyone else learning the language of their ancestors?
I've been considering it. I can speak my parents' and extended family's language, it's actually the only language I speak with them, but even though it's my first language my understanding is rudimentary and speech Americanized.

When i was in Georgia i started learning korean but stopped after landing in my home

>>219931072
land on a german beach = free lessons and welfare

>>219933286
just get it in bilingual edition

>>219933272
shut yourself in a room with only learning material

>>219936229
were full bruh

>>219940365
find some local german church

>>>219919599
youve got it backwards, kanji is for japanese words and stems of words and kana is there to cover whatever kanji doesnt manage, such as grammar and conjugation (okurigana)
some japanese words can also use katakana, it can be used for emphasis too

>>219940735
What language?

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>>219941168
Hungarian.

>>219941245
Oh nice
Never been to Budapest, seems nice

>>219940794
why'd you return

>>219941329
My family lives outside the capital so I've only ever been driven through it on the way from the airport. It's definitely a pretty country elsewhere too, the meadows and hills are nice and the people seem friendly, but I do hope to visit and look around on my own sometime.

>>219941503
Yeah, I also heard that since Hungary lost a lot of land a lot of ethnic Hungarians stayed in the old lands, including some land Ukraine has

>>219936390
They do the same with Sanskrit loans.
>but they're descended from Sanskrit
Not all + Sanskrit's phonotactics are substantially different from any modern Indian language's, so the loans look out of place.

>>219937605
I'm Nordic as fuck (Prussian German ethnicity) and studied German in school, but it wasn't for heritage reasons or even chuddy reasons. I just wanted to be contrarian and take the least popular language.

Honestly the grammar and orthography of Celtic languages is so stupid and complex.

Forget digraphs and trigraphs. You have clusters of pentagraphs and hexagraphs within words - such as both oidhea and eamhai, pronounced as /ˈɛː/ and /uː/ respectively.
Multiple trigraphs and tetragraphs make the same exact sound. Some are completely silent. Also their pronunciation can totally change depending on local accent.
Grammatically speaking, they are weirdly similar to Semitic languages like Arabic. They have the same word order as Arabic too.
They also have mutations where the initial syllable in a word can change into half a dozen over variations for a long list of potential reasons and if you pick the wrong one you sound retarded.

I've heard it said before learning Irish or Welsh is as hard for and English speaker as learning Russian and I am starting to believe it's true.

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>>219941604
>including some land Ukraine has
Yeah, in the very southwest of Ukraine. Hungary lost it to Czechoslovakia after WWI, annexed it back during WWII, ceded it to the USSR after that. Ukraine's had it since.

>>219941708
I think German is a nice language
>>219941931
Sorry for taking Zakarpattia from you guys

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>>219942108
>Sorry for taking Zakarpattia from you guys
No hard feelings from me for what that's worth. Best of luck to you on learning Ukrainian.

>>219934362
how so? why? because of the tonal thing??

>>219941825
>Grammatically speaking, they are weirdly similar to Semitic languages like Arabic. They have the same word order as Arabic too.
there are odd similarities in their respective music traditions too.

>>219940909
What is a "local german church"? Is that a thing in Czech Republic?

>>219943173
Sudeten Germans o algo

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>>219930979
Are you doing what canucbro is doing?

Get grinding, /lang/.

>>219937303
This. It seems so simple, and it's a sound concept (and a correct one). The minutia is trial and error, and there is only so much time we're given on this piss poor rock to farm methods quickly.

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>>219944651
Canucbro was spouting suicide last thread over their inability to move to Poland o algo

>>219944804
I don't think it was the same canuck--

Hmm. Upon rereading the picrel, you might be onto something. Both are Canadian, and both are all about Poland. I did skim that post too. As someone who hates where he lives, I can relate. Seems the whole world is shitting the bed and I'm not sure that even based nations like Poland or Japan can hold on. After all, if the rest of the world goes 1984 and you're the odd man out, where are they going to set their sights next?

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how does one say 'suppose to' auf deutsch
as in;
I was 'suppose to' go to the movies
We were 'suppose to' eat indian food instead of italian
i am 'suppose to' pick up the dog.

>>219943262
The only Germans we have are some LARPers who mix liberalism with some kind of Germanophilic ethno-classism. I hate them.

>3.5 hours a day of focused intelligent deliberate practice to become expert at any skill you want. Top classical musicians only practice 3-4 hours a day at most. Research finds 3.5 hours a day is the limit for skill building, more produces no additional benefit. Even that gold medalist skater girl says she only skates 3.5 hours a day.

>Meanwhile you need 10 hours a day every day for 2 years or more just to get quasi-decent at an east asian language, and you will never be native level even if you immerse yourself in the country for even longer than that

worst time:gains ratio of all hobbies

>>219945193
>and you will never be native level even if you immerse yourself in the country for even longer than that
In fairness, no one will ever treat you as such or expect you to be because you are likely a casper the ghost looking ass white boy in an Asian country lol

I want a Steam Deck but if I spend all my time playing PS2 games I can't inpoot. I currently inpooting daily but I also want a Steam Deck.

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>>219945858
Just listen to a podcast or audiobook while playing. It's works especially well for games you know in-and-out where you don't have to think and it's all automatic so you can easily pay attention to what you're listening.

>>219945077
>I hate them.
Goot. Goot. Man muss sich anderen überlegen fühlen, wenn man deutscher Muttersprachler werden will.
>>219945193
oh how i pity the mutt
just focus on improving your worst language skill and also dont juggle disciplines
imitation is the highest form of flattery, coincidentally its also the best way to gain nativity
>>219945858
dont you have two ears?

>>219944840
japan, one of the countries most severely impacted by the ongoing happening is definitely not going to be holding on

>>219945994
>smarmy eurofag giving me advice
display meaningful competence in an east asian language (not a european language, that's baby tier) and then I'll listen

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>>219946713
>jiānghuángsì háizi
>bèi rén xiánqì yībèizi

UKanon老师,what does 被/bèi mean here in the quoted thread? The dictionary is saying that it could either be "to suffer a misfortune" or that it could be slang indicating sarcasm; equivalent of doing the scare quote gesture.

I'm guessing that the meme is basically like an old-style lolcats meme saying
>GINGER KID
>LIFETIME OF BAD LUCK BOTTOM TEXT

>>219946919
被 is also a grammatical particle that forms the passive voice, which is how it's used here. This means "to be hated by people for your entire life".

https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Using_%22bei%22_sentences

what is the goated chinese/mandarian textbook? preferably taiwan/traditional based

>>219946919
this >>219947311 guy is right
被 is almost always a passive marker, apart from when it's 被子 which means quilt or duvet
the meme says like "ginger kids get the cold shoulder for their entire life"

>>219949318
new practical Chinese reader is pretty good, it's in simplified but provides traditional in vocab lists
idk about Taiwan specific

I want to dabble with Mongolian for a bit but I genuinely have no idea how to start. The sounds those mfers make do not seem possible from my angloid ass

bump for mongolia

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>>219931072

>>219952572
>>219954104
Im a native speaker and native speakers dont give good advice to people trying to learn a language. Its pretty cool when foreigners learn your language so i hope you guys are successful. I would say start with learning mongolian cyrillic which is a bit different than how russians pronounce their letters.

>>219954382
This is unrelated but hows the english knowledge in mongolia? what about russian?

>>219954444
the most popular second language for young people is english, the most popular second language for people from the socialist era is russian
english and russian are both mandatory language classes for public schools

>>219954538
are people actually good at it though? I ask because where I grew up everyone does english but 90% only do it because you need to for school and have 0 passion for it and most people are pretty shit

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>>219947311
>>219950856
谢谢你们

>>219949318
You are in Taiwan, just walk around until you find a publisher of material
>https://www.cchatty.com/courseware/a-course-in-contemporary-chinese
>https://www.cchatty.com/courseware/practical-audio-visual-chinese
>https://taiwancenter.taiwan-world.net/material/basic

The only 'goated' textbook would be a "Lingua Latina per se Illustrata" Hans Ørberg style graded reader. Such a thing barely exists for any language, let alone Chinese; let alone Taiwanese Mandarin.
It's not Taiwanese but if you don't have an allergy to reading crusty yellow scanned pages in the Internet Archive, read John DeFrancis' Character Texts. Seton Hall University produced hundreds of hours of audio for them and they use traditional characters.
>https://www.shu.edu/languages-literatures-cultures/defrancis-chinese-textbooks-recordings.html

>>219954610
a lot of young people especially ipad kids are exposed to english content, passion and interest develop when someone watches english media from a young age

>>219954900
If they can get past the sort of multi-culti pidgin English that always coalesces at the bottom, they'll find that English really is a fascinating linguistic marvel of a language and reading good English literature is one of life's pleasures

>>219954900
I see, interesting, thanks

>>219954678
Ain't no way they call hot dogs 熱狗 lmao

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Am I missing something? Why is there "an" instead of "a"?

>>219955504
an before any vowels, a before conosants
an apple
a banana

>>219955504
>>219955580
i didn't look at pic rel at the time, sry; thats just a subtitle error

>>219944920
I would use "Ich sollte".
Ich sollte ins Kino gehen.
Wir sollten indisch statt italienisch essen.
Ich sollte der Hund aufheben.

>>219952572
the only difficult ones are x which is how Liverpudlians say the k sound in "chicken" and l which is the ll in Llanelli

>>219941499
Was just traveling for a week
I still have 3 weeks of visa left so I can go if i want

>>219956211
do not spoon-feed, especially not mutts

>>219946037
>most impacted
Oh, you mean the country where the locals found out about a plan to import saars and Nigerians, said "hell no" and got it scrapped? Yeah, sure anon. Need I remind you that any bleeding they experience is because you guys (white people) forced them to trade and go global when they were content with worshiping Amaterasu and having their sengoku jidai.

H is supposed to lengthen sounds like E like in verstehen, fahren, gehen, but sometimes it seems to me that some Germans pronounce the Hs softly, but I don't have examples rn. Am I trippin or maybe is it a dialect thingy?
>>219945994
They don't speak it though. Or their German is functional but nowhere to close to the level I aspire to. That's what convinced me to learn German btw because it means I won't have to speak German with those people if I learn the language

I've checked out Babbel and Duolingo and they both suck, they don't actually teach grammar.

Neither of them even started a basic lesson on how to conjugate simple verbs, wtf?

>>219960781
Read a textbook or if too lazy to read (as you are an appcel this is likely the case), pirate an all-in-one audio course like japanesepod101 or whatever the fuck but for your language.

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>Dig deeper into the FSI research
>Highly motivated, well educated, skilled learners in an immersion environment with with native teachers
>The numbers show 2250 classroom hours, but the korean learners actually spent closer to 4k hours including homework/study/input/etc over the course of 2 years
>2 years and 4000 hours rendered only 60% of these high-octane learners able to pass the ILR S-3, 40% failed

Whats the best way to look up kanji if for example i'm reading manga?

>>219961520
>Read a textbook
I'll probably have to do this
>all-in-one audio course
I like (need) a textual component, reading the stuff is just as important to me for learning

Idk, I just feel like my high school language course was way more productive than this shit, just starting with a structural, grammer foundation. Why wouldn't those apps, if not as their main method of """teaching""" not just have those as options to read through?

>>219962442
I believe duolingo has some basic grammar you can find by clicking... something, haven't used it in a long long while. Never tried babbel.
What language are you learning?

>>219962502
German

>>219962340
nigga theres reading written right next to it (furigana) just paste it into a dictionary
if there isnt, its either doraemon or youre too full of yourself and you should stick to shounen and below

>>219962626
just download the michel thomas audio course somewhere, it will prime you well for learning with textbook later

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>>219961986
>input with korean waifu>mine to anki
this is the tried and true method, many because fluent this way

>>219962442
>I like (need) a textual component, reading the stuff is just as important to me for learning
They have pdfs and shit in those languagepod101 courses. They're genuinely pretty okay courses :)
Most of them are on rutracker

>>219962626
I checked duo, all the units have a guidebook that's supposed to teach you some concept. They seem to be rather basic, though.
I tried checking babbel, couldn't get very far because of the paywall, but the eхcersises alone make me go "what the fuck?".

So yeah, go with a teхtbook then. There was a swedish schizo who would post a bunch of old ones hosted on internet archive. The thread OP also has a link with many teхtbooks.

>>219961986
realistically (your) experience as a language learner and motivations, reasons etc are so different from those of an FSI student that their research doesn't matter

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>>219964360
>I checked duo, all the units have a guidebook that's supposed to teach you some concept
Those "guidebooks" just give you phrases with no explanation at all

>>219964734
iT'S hoW bAbIeS lEarN, except they have no other option and ask about what stuff means all the time when they get older.

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>>219964734
Anon...

>>219964814
>except they have no other option and ask about what stuff means all the time
6 year old me asking my mum "why?" for the 900th time (shes absolutely fuming)

>>219965166
It's empty there for me. Maybe they're not in every unit.

>>219964360
>I checked duo, all the units have a guidebook that's supposed to teach you some concept
They gimped it for a while. A lot of the older ones are on https://duome.eu/tips

>>219965166
That's a tip for one verb, it's not like an interactive dictionary or anything. And even that example isn't complete.

>>219959902
brother i'm talking about the fact they get more than 3/4ths of their oil from a funny little strait that browns are blockading at the moment, not the fact that they're fighting back against the star of david and the subversive agents they have trying to ruin nippon from the inside

>>219933381
>I'm ashamed to admit that it's french
Embrace the frog

>>219937303
>Sometimes you stumble on right path immediately and people think you're somehow more "talented", other times you struggle for years until you have a breakthrough
I'm still in the "struggle for years" stage

>>219945982
This works well with Minecraft

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I like reading world leader tweets for easy practice

>>219941825
I'm pretty sure Welsh has consistent spelling while goidelic languages tend to have very etymological way of writing

>I've heard it said before learning Irish or Welsh is as hard for and English speaker as learning Russian
I would rather say Russian is harder because you have to get used to the whole new script and internalise how words look like. In the beggining you spell the entire words letter by letter and it takes some time to get used to while celtic languages can be internalised as words from the get-go (I don't mean the pronuntiation, that's a whole 'nother topic)

>>219966935
>star of david
Not EVERYTHING is them, you know. A lot of things, yes, but crack open a history book. It wasn't Davids that brought them into the worldly frey in the first place. It was non-Jew Whites (since Jews are White, I guess the term is goy/gentile?). The only thing I can give you is Pearl Harbor. They did that fuckery themselves when they were told to chill. But in general, it was you guys. I just hope they can solve their demographic issues being the leadership says 'fuck it' and goes back to important saar shitters.

I'm not your "brother" either.

>>219967831
*IMPORTING, not important. Damn keyboard.

>when instead of writing the subtitles to match exactly what was spoken, they fix them to make them more linguistically "proper"

>mfw i have no face

got to the point where writing and speaking are pretty good
apparently now i need automaticity and grammar accuracy
it is a really grind

>>219968596
>they fix them to make them more linguistically "proper"
Subtitles are often changed for brevity, so the slowest of retard readers can read them before they disappear.
People can often speak much faster than they can read lol.

>>219949318
A Course in Contemporary Chinese. Which is the main textbook series used in Taiwan for learners of Chinese.

French or German? The great debate...

>>219970220
You better not be that same Brazilian poster that said German was impossible to learn earlier.

>>219970482
No I gave up on Japanese
Got hard filtered by the grammar

>>219970727
Sorry to hear that. If you've been filtered by grammar then you've got two poison pills to swallow between French and German.

>>219970220
As a Portuguese speaker French will be infinitely easier than german.

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Is there any guide similar to the ones you have for Japanese but for Mandarin? Or an image showing the best resources, input and stuff to use idk. Just curious

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Btw, i don't mean textbooks but rather stuff like the DJT guide and this lil image the Serb (i think it was him) made

>>219930979
Who here has learned Modern Greek? If so, what books have you used?

>>219971123
English Grammar for Learners of German is also a real good book in general

Why isn't the OP updated? There is no language learning IRC (anymore), and I doubt the methods on the wiki are still relevant, OR that the person who wrote them is even still active here. I low key think about making a /lang/ discord, but don't want tards ruining it.

>>219971542
>and I doubt the methods on the wiki are still relevant
Because? Lmao.

Spent about an hour trying to figure out how to buy a Japanese ebook yesterday. Why do the japs make it so fucking difficult to give them money.

>>219971542
there's a discord

>>219973067
There is? Where? I don't recall seeing one mentioned. I'd appreciate a link if you can copypaste one.

invented new korean words.

밥다==to eat
examples:
- 밥았어?
- 밥고 갈게
- 한국 요리를 밥고 싶어요.

델리시다==delicious
- 이거 너무 델리셔
- 와 참 델리시네!
- 델리시지?

>>219973308
daereeshee is already a konglish word

El bump

>>219970727
>>219971005
you cant just come here, say that you had just gave up, not elaborate in the slightest and then tell us your next option has been chosen solely on it being easier

just save yourself some time and look for some more productive hobby so you can get out of your favela of a life situation

emergency bump

Overheard some people speaking russian at the airport yesterday but unfortunately i couldn’t make out what they were saying. High quality input lost like tears in rain…

>>219971040
don't think so, and I wouldn't trust anyone who claims to have "the best way for learning Mandarin!" as they are probably a shill trying to cash in on the trend

>it's another day of grinding language reactor

>>219968899
checked, i think in portuguese it's even worse than this -- i don't think it's just a matter of dumbing it down, but they will often actually remove the colloquial speech and substitute it with speech that more closely matches the written norm of the language. Sometimes even totally change the words, and even making it more complex than the original.

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Russian speaking anons, I need your help with something really random.

I'm looking for a Russian equivalent of the term "sick puppy". Basically a colourful metaphorical name for someone who is cruel, disturbed, perverse, sick in the head (see picrel).

Does such a thing exist in your language? It's for a piece of writing I'm doing.

>>219982098
>Basically a colourful metaphorical name for someone who is cruel, disturbed, perverse, sick in the head
Erm, don't you mean the Kremlin xd

this is kind of cool.

looks like it could be a handy tool for sourcing the data for making frequency dictionaries for various languages (wiktionary already has that too, to some extent but this seems bigger in scope)

https://corpora.uni-leipzig.de/en

>>219977394
Two different people silly

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>>219980713
at christmas i visited my parents in Pittsburgh and we went to this aviary there, and of all places in the world, as we were walking up to the entrance I hear from behind me a man tell his kid "halt Abstand" ie stay back because he was running right up on us. Eavesdropped while we were in line and understood just about everything. Felt pretty good.

On the other hand, just about every time I visit my brother in new york I hear french, but I never manage to grasp more than a handful of words. Crazy how often I run into french tourists there; you guys seem to absolutely love NYC.

>>219980729
Sad, if only Chinese learners had that obssessive, idealistic autism Japanese learners have

>>219983282
90% of Chinese learners in 2026 are just doing it for the meme (or because they think "it's useful") and have zero dedication to the language or the culture
literally the opposite of Japanese learners who know it's useless yet learn anyway

>>219983693
Yeah, the annoying "you found me in a very Chinese moment" and the souless pragmatism of learning Chinese to ""get money"" seem kinda gay to me. Which is sad, Mandarin looks cool as fuck on its own

>>219973067
Update. This guy is a faggot, /lang/. Grok says there has never been a discord for this general. Anon is just off his schizo meds (given that it's 4chan, I should have taken that into account).

Nothing further. Do carry on.

even though I've never thought I would be one to start a business, I unironically think I could create an amazing language learning app/game. I know it would work because I would create a lot of real life immersion type scenarios with paths, options, leaderboards etc. big influence would come from tv5monde's learning module as I found that it be one of the most fun and effective language learning resources so far. I wonder if I'll ever act on this

¿Por qué ya nadie hace desafíos?
Pourquoi plus personne ne fait des challenges?

>>219982925
i live in an area full of koreans and they talk loudly in korean with no idea I can understand them

Is Jordie safe?

Right now I am learning Chinese on my own, I am mainly focusing on learning characters and pronunciation (including stroke order) as I usually just learn grammar by comprehensible input (watching vids and reading).
Still, I'd want to listen to you guys regarding your Mandarin learning experiences and if you've tried any learning guides without the need of any teachers.

>>219983826
Cantonese always seemed cooler to me. Similar to Japanese, it had a major impact on global (pop)culture in the 70s, 80s, 90s and even the 2000s. Somehow they didn't manage to keep it like Japan

>>219988475
mexijay?

>>219989407
>Somehow they didn't manage to keep it like Japan
died in the early 2000s when all the talent in HK got shut down by the mainland or siphoned abroad

>>219989407
>Somehow they didn't manage to keep it
thank the CCP for that, the entertainment industry was able to flourish under british rule due to freedom of expression and speech which went away the second the territory was ceded to the mainland government
chinese filmmakers used to go to hong kong to avoid the CCP censorship back in the mainland, for the longest time they could only make movies if they were pro-party propaganda which is why the mainland chinese film industry is so far behind everybody else, regulation kills art. And Beijing doesn't want minority languages to be strong and alive since that goes against their desire for "ethnic unity" aka specifically mandarin han supremacy, meanwhile in taiwan there has been a push to make media in hokkien, hakka and the indig austronesian languages, it's kind of scuffed though since metro stations in taipei have their names announced in 3 - 5 languages and the government treats the languages as fossils

>>219980713
This also happened to me, but i was in a shitty tiny regional airport, high majority of tourism in here is just argentinians and uruguayans so i have no idea what they were going to do here

>>219989694
Who?

>>219982150
OK smart-ass, so what idiomatic phrase would a Russian speaker use for the Kremlin then if he believed it to possess the aforementioned qualities?

>>219990296
there was another mexican in here around 2023 who studied Chinese and French

>>219989762
the requirement for all movies to be propaganda ended in the 70s, actually a lot of mainland films are tacitly critical of the party but they do it through historical allegory
however when the filmmaking industry switched to market principles in the late 90s none of the arthouse filmmakers could get state funding for their obscure documentaries and shit anymore so they either switched to making orientalist poverty porn for the western film festival circuit (e.g. Suzhou River) or making mass-appeal slop for the Chinese domestic market

>>219989694
>>219989762
Yeah, it's low-key pisses me off. Sometimes there are gems under censorship, just because of clever ways of bypassing the censorship, but generally yes
>>219989762
It's a shame, Taiwan could be a film center and counterculture within the Mandarin-speaking world

>>219990420
>there was another mexican in here around 2023 who studied Chinese and French
Miss that dood

>>219984723
>Grok says
He's in our discord too :^)

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>>219990724
>the discord that doesn't exist

>>219987099
Inshallah Jordie is safe

How do I find Belarusians

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>>219987099

>>219991340
Hahaha kek

Any knowers know if its possible to maintain a 100 words a day with a language like Thai? I'm gonna try as its my experience with oriental languages, I assume its possible because I see MD students grinding way more than a 100 new cards a day(plus review) and manage to grasp the knowledge. So how much harder can Thai be than a medical degree?

>>219961986
Irrelevant, they have nothing on language artists

>>219990420
what a coincidence, I do know French but I just started Chinese.

>>219991836
I could do 40-50 words per day with Chinese
maybe easier with Thai since you don't need to remember characters
but slow and steady wins the race

>>219991836
only if youre good at mnemonics

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My phone listens to me shadowing, and the computer listens to the sound of each keystroke typed on the keyboard; YouTube headquarters has been firing the WMAF propaganda psyop beam at me as a sort of artillery preparation for an attack on my chastity. I will not fold

Playing minecraft in my tl bump :)

>>219992696
this guy is a paid shill btw

>>219994657
They are all paid shills
Why else would they be in propaganda literally getting shilled

good night bump

gute Nacht lang

What would you think a man drops every article when he speaks in English?

>>219997648
>drops every article
fuck that, I hate it.

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God morgon bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBXN2ll36k

why does /lang/ die during American hours

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>>220001076
>see /lang/ about to die
>try to bump
>get Mind Crushed by captcha and have to reassemble the puzzle of my heart
>finish, but /lang/ is dead already

>>219992696
stay strong brother

El bump

Қaйыpлы тaң мыpзaлap.
Please recommend to me a good Anki deck for Malay vocabulary.

>>220003644
>тaң
interesting how this has been mostly replaced by etigen (proto-turkic erte-GAn?) in Uyghur

>>219982098
Извepг, изyвep (both of these can be used to describe an inhumanly cruel person)
There's also Иpoд/Иpoдoвa дyшa (referencing Herod from the Bible).
If you want to make it sound juicier, you can write something like "нacтoящий извepг" (a real cruel person) or "cyщий извepг" (a truly cruel person).
I'm not really confident in these, so if somebody finds some better words, you should use those instead.

>>219973308
It's beyond cringe and robotic.
>밥다
The pronunciation of '받다' is really similar to the your soulless word. It's very confusing. It's just wrong.

>델리시다==delicious
cringe
>이거 너무 델리셔
It feels like expressing a sour taste in a cringe way. Korean's brain would cut the word into two parts
>델리: mispronounced word of 달리
>셔: sour taste
So Koreans would guess it like
>There is a new flavor that doesn't have a typical sour taste but feels like a different kind of sour flavor.

>와 참 델리시네!
It sounds like a sarcastic remark. Korean would imagine POS.
>델리시지?
Nobody would understand.
I would imagine the time in New Delhi

Just remember, you don't have the fluency needed to create a new word in Korean

>>220004316
thank you for your service pvt ramirez

>>220004316
only HAN BVLLS have the 实力 to make new words for Korean

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>>220004316
>>220004473
Stop fighting and bothering civilians and get your asses back to Camp Humphreys you fucking princesses! The itinerary of your indefinite vacation SHALL NOT be infringed! WE HAVE AMERICAN TAX MONEY TO SPEND!

>>220004316
fact after fact

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Imagine trying to invent new words

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>>219930979
Already know English, Russian, Georgian, I think that's enough for me.

>>219989762
this so gay.Most of them are wrong.You cannot deduce the process from the result; these steps are outrageously wrong.
>>219990420
Suzhou River is quite good. I actually enjoy watching it. However, you're right; those well-made Chinese films all suffer from the same flaw you mentioned—they all carry that intense sense of "scar literature." I don't know why acclaimed Chinese films have to be tragedies. I can't even name a single great Chinese film that isn't a tragedy.

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Slow /lang/ day bump

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>>220006841
I did not care for 苏州河 or any 张艺谋 films

I just found this slop, someone may find it useful
https://labs.google/lll/en/experiments/tiny-lesson

>>220008342
我只是喜欢贾樟柯(苏州河男主角),世纪初中国一大堆clut片,他算是clut片的御用男主角。我年轻时的偶像,长的真帅。他跳楼的时候我还挺难过的

you ever noticed how british people treat collective nouns like plurals
like they will say

the band are touring
the tea party have earned my vote

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I'm suffering another day of learning my TL now instead of learning Japanese in the early 2000s

>>220009577
Why is Japanese not your TL?

>>220003977
Are you Uyghur?

>>220008290
Wir sind alle mit dem Inputen zu beschäftigt, um zu posten

>>220009695
Too old and it's not early 2000s anymore

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>>220009902
U just posted lil bro

french grammar is kinda ass. how do i get better?

>>220009968
Are you actually just retarded

>>219987099
I might return to German. I stopped hopping between languages, if I do learn a language, it'll be German.
But people here have been crappy for the past year so I stopped posting as often.

>>220011131
>But people here have been crappy for the past year so I stopped posting as often.
Negative vibes are killing /lang/ fr. Love you Jordie <3

>>220008618
笑死 哥们这儿写clut不太对 正确的拼法是cult
clut听起来像英语说“阴蒂”的单词

>>220009713
men engliyilik, uyghur emes, emma uyghur tili oquymen

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>>220010258
dir entgeht nichts. hab eine kurze Inputpause eingelegt um hier vorbeizuschauen, ob irgendwas interessantes los ist. Leider ist nichts dieser Art hier aufzufinden, also zurück zu fleißigem Inputen.

>>220004038
Thank you anon this is very helpful

>>220010991
I am knowledge resistance

Are there any good torrent sites for Chinese tv? Or do they have that stuff locked down?

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>>220011903
avistaz, it's a private tracker tho

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I'm falling victim to the same dilemma that many of you have: Watching a youtube series or vlog targeted towards learners of a language, but becoming entranced by the beauty of the vlogger and ultimately becoming depressed due to the lonely feeling of watching a beautiful vlogger through a screen while being sad and alone just trying to learn her language.

Also I feel like a cuck since it's clearly her bf filming and going on these vlogging adventures with her, but she doesn't show him at all for obvious reasons.

>>220012194
Just get a text book or join a cult

>>220009968
rip
>>220010991
nah he's right, you're too zoomer to understand

>>220011131
ehrlich gesagt habe ich deine Mätzchen hier immer saulustig gefunden, also macht mir sicherlich nichts aus, wenn du hier deinen Unfug weiter treibst, aber du wirst nie und nimmer es geschaffen, eine Fremdsprache zu beherrschen, geschweige denn Deutsch. Vielleicht solltest du einer Karriere als Komiker nachgehen denn du kannst zumindest mich problemlos zum Lachen bringen.

unironisch gemeint pass auf dich auf jordie. Wäre eine große Katastrophe wenn du aufgrund herabfallender Trümmerteilen ins Gras beißen würdest.

>>220011393
all that effort just to talk to some smarmy anal retentive autists

>>220013517
bit rude

hab mir Deutsch selbst beigebracht in erster Linie Literatur zu genießen und einfach ein bisschen Spaß dabei zu haben. War ein großer Aufwand der viele Jahre gedauert hat, aber hat sich gelohnt meiner Meinung nach denn ich kann stand jetzt mühelos in den Genuss deutscher Literatur kommen. Mein Ziel war nie nach Deutschland zu reisen. Um ehrlich zu sein bin ich alles andere als reisefreudig und kann mich ohne Problem zufriedengeben, indem ich gemütlich zu Hause mit einem guten Buch bleibe.

thanks for the prompt to work on my writing though; has gotten very rusty since no one ever posts the challenges anymore. The brit above is right about negative vibes here.

Es gibt keinen Grund auf jemanden zu schimpfen oder dessen Zielsprache schlechtzureden. Wenn du nichts nettes zu sagen hast, solltest du dann einfach nichts sagen, faggot.

>>220013838
>viele Jahre gedauert hat,
wie viele?
>Mein Ziel war nie nach Deutschland zu reisen.
Mein Ziel ist nach Deutschland zu reisen, eine niedliche Deutsche zu treffen und sie zu überzeugen, mich nach Portugal zu begleiten.

>>220013838
theyre too obnoxious and low testosterone to not bully

>>220013485
I am just depressed and that's why I keep dropping langs
But if I truly put my mind to it I prob. can blitzkrieg to C1 in 1 year.
In fact, the fact you make such a bold statement that I will never speak German makes me want to learn it to C1 just to spite you.
But, I need more compelling reasons than an emotional outburst.
I am thinking of putting all my projects aside for a year and to exclusively work on learning German. I will see if I finally decide to commit to that project.

>>220014723
>if I truly put my mind to it I prob. can blitzkrieg to C1 in 1 year

Viel Glück dabei, aber vielleicht klappt es ja nicht. Gib nicht auf, oder vielleicht solltest du es doch.

>>220004316
>It sounds like a sarcastic remark. Korean would imagine POS.

한국어 학습 자료는 정말 별로야
‘네’나 ‘야’ 같은 말조차 안 가르쳐 줬어
실제 콘텐츠를 보기 전까지는 아무것도 못 배웠어

>>220015449
If I had a compelling reason to learn German, I will. If not, then why bother?

>>220012043
I'm not that anon, but can you share link or repo, please?

>>220014445
Etwa Zehn Jahre aber ich war nicht konstant dabei. Ich habe ungefähr Ende 2015 mit dem Deutschlernen begonnen. Während der Pandemie hab ich nur dann richtig damit angefangen, dran fleißig zu arbeiten und mir große Mühe jeden Tag zu geben, meine Deutschkenntnisse auszubauen und zu vervollkommnen. Damals habe ich eine Kehrtwende unternommen, indem ich mich mehr auf Hören gesetzt habe. Zuvor habe ich mich buchstäblich nur mit dem Lesen beschäftigt. Großer Fehler im Rückblick, aber man ist immer schlauer hinterher. Hab mir zur Gewohnheit gemacht, dass ich jeden Tag ausnahmslos eine Stunde Deutsch gehört habe. Manchmal sogar mehr. Ich habe mich richtig ins Zeug gelegt und mich dem Deutschlernen hingegeben.

Seitdem hab ich mich in der Tat abgesehen von ein paar Ausnahmen dran gehalten und ich verdanke dieser Gewohnheit viel. In letzter Zeit habe ich mir vorgenommen, mehr zu lesen, was mein ursprüngliches Hauptziel immerhin war, aber ich versuche immer noch zumindest eine Stunde Deutsch irgendwie in meinen Tag reinzupacken, ob beim Spaziergehen, Fahren, oder Zocken, denn ich halte das immer noch für extrem zielführend, was Sprachenerwerb anbelangt.

>Mein Ziel ist nach Deutschland zu reisen, eine niedliche Deutsche zu treffen und sie zu überzeugen, mich nach Portugal zu begleiten.

schöner Traum. Ich drücke dir die Daumen. Hoffentlich findest du eines Tages deine deutsche Dame. Für meinen Geschmack hätte ich lieber eine Amerikanerin, obwohl ich bin der Meinung, dass von Frauen gesprochenes Deutsch genauso entzückend und charmant sein kann als Französisch oder Italienisch. Kriminell unterbewertet meiner Meinung nach.

>>220016107
sure but like i said, it's a private tracker, so it's invite only, or you can wait for them to open registrations.
also, it's not exclusively chinese they have korean and japanese content too.

avistaz.to

>>220012043
>>220016542
they have gay seed requirements and nothing I wanted to watch was only on there and not available on other trackers
not worth

>>220011131
I thought you were devoting yourself to bettering your Arabic. Don't tell us you dropped Arabic...

>>220016482
Deine Geschichte ist ganz inspiriert. Ich würde gerne wissen, seitdem du angefangen hast, jeden Tag eine Stunde Deutsch zu hören, wie lange das dauert hat, bis zum du ganz fließend Deutsch verstehen könntest?

>>220016090
>If not, then why bother?
Based lazymaxxer

>>220018134
*inspirierend

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maybe i should learn japanese

>>220019164
all look same

>>220019164
do it
spoken japanese (not written) isn't as hard as you think, its easier than chinese and korean

>>220019226
so you just do speaking and listening?

>>220019226
why do people give so much importance to pronunciation when learning a language, is this an anglo thing?
of all the aspects of learning a language, pronunciation is definitely the easiest, even for supposedly difficult to pronounce languages
just mimic the sounds bro, it's not that hard

Show of hands. Who would unironically be interested in a /lang/ discord?

>>220019531
i was referring to the morphology and phonetic alteration being simpler and more regular in japanese. but korean also has extremely close vowels and consonants (ㄱ/ㄲ/ㅋ, ㅈ/ㅉ/ㅊ ㅏ/ㅓ/ㅗ/ㅜ) that are very hard to tell apart in real-time speech for non natives (small changes in sound that change the whole meaning of basic common words.) and likewise chinese tones tend to collapse in rapid speech so its very hard to rapidly disambiguate what's being said even if you have a large vocabulary. Japanese also has homophones and other issues but the phonetics are relatively intuitive for english natives so its much less of a problem.

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>>220019698
;)

>>220019821
>chinese tones tend to collapse in rapid speech
no they don't? how would natives be able to tell what people were saying then? lmoa

>>220019923
>AI picrel proves his point
Reported. Don't have time for games.

>>220017194
#1 It's akin to learning Latin. If I spend 4 years on something I better spend it on a real, relevant language.
#2 the academy was too islamic for my taste
#3 people I know suggested I return to European languages instead (i.e., German).
I am seriously considering settling with German. I want to share my progress on /lang/ but I don't want to make big promises and I want to "show" and not "tell", so if this takes off I might come back a few months from now with real German.
Bring back the translation challenges. If I do succeed in sticking to German, I will solve them inshallah.

>>220020035
something something, sour grapes? anyway the langcord has less than 100 members and most of them never talk about languages or talk in the thread it's just a metagroup, which your disgourd would inevitably become as well. keep discussion in the thread and don't engage in splittism

>>220017194
I only got one quirk about learningn German: I have given up on learning to properly pronounce the "ch" in ich, I just can't make that sound.
If I speak perfect German, sans that "ch" sound, will people treat me like they treat A2 ESLs?

>>220020138
Just make ancestors proud

>>220020171
If you can't make ich-laut and ach-laut, it's not perfect German

>>220019943
obviously I mean that differences reduce (thus making them harder to identify in real time for non-natives) not literally disappear

>>220020178
fuck those ancestors, they set the stage for the shithole middle east situation i live in now, absolutely inept colonized shitheads
>>220020224
I know, I am speaking about speaking the lang properly except for that ONE sound

>>220020139
>this person is a retard
I know your parents were related, so I'll try to speak in grade-school English to get my point across.

If there is truly a langcord then those numbers with no activity means they're retarded shitposters. I just want to build a community of ACTUAL language learners who make progress and motivate each other. Not coombrains and trolltards (>220019923) who shitpost all day. I'm retarded and even I make progress. So why can't any of you?

>>220020224
https://voca.ro/1l6IvrSTaHcv
how good is this?

>>220020284
Just pretend you are learning low german and just say "ik" so you can be based

>>220020369
>I'm retarded and even I make progress. So why can't any of you?
I make progress *because* I'm retarded

>>220018134
schwer zu sagen aber ich würde sagen, dass es etwa zwei Jahre gedauert hat, bevor ich komfortabel beim Hören Podcasts, Youtube-Videos, etc war. Schon nach einem Jahr konnte ich viel gesprochenes Deutsch verstehen. Wichtig ist nicht außer Acht zu lassen, dass ich mit erwähnenswerten Vorkenntnissen reingestoßen bin, denn ich hatte zuvor einige Erfahrungen mit Deutsch schon gemacht. Das verzerrt zumindest ein wenig die Aussagekraft meiner Lernenerfahrung. Ich habe den alten duolingo-Kurs zu Ende gebracht, eine Grammatik durchgelesen, und sogar, wenn auch nur äußerst langsam, einen etwa 300-seitigen Roman kriechend gelesen.

Beim Französischlernen habe ich vor ungefähr 3 Jahren mit gar keinen nennenswerten Vorkenntnissen gestartet, und nur vor kurzum bin ich in der Lage gekommen, dass ich gesprochenes Französisch zumindest halbwegs nachvollziehen kann. Gibt's da viel Verbesserungsbedarf und ich gehe davon aus, dass sich die Strecke bis zu Beherrschung Französisch lange vor mir erstreckt, aber so ist es.

Lange Rede, kurzer Sinn bin ich zuversichtlich dass du dich durchsetzen wirst, wenn du einfach dran bleibt. Beim Sprachenlernen heißt die Devise Weitermachen. Manchmal ist das arg frustrierend, aber man muss sich hartnäckig weigern, aufzugeben und sich trotz allem durchschlagen, selbst wenn das Ziel nicht zu erreichen scheint. Es ist eine Willensfrage am Ende des Tages meiner Meinung nach. Ich habe auf gar keinen Fall vor, ausgerechnet Französisch mich in die Knie zwingen zu lassen, obwohl diese verdammte Sprache und ihre Aussprache mich zigmal beinahe zum Wahnsinn getrieben hat.

Danke für den Anlass, mich schriftlich zu äußern. Normalerweise habe ich keinen Grund so viel auf Deutsch zu schreiben.

Years ago I used to study Spanish the "traditional" way. Later I gave that up and moved to inpootting instead via series, movies and vidya. I've been inpootting for probably 600-700 hours but still some of the casual conversations pictured in series/movies between characters are difficult to follow and I can't really speak well at all since I keep forgetting words and am sometimes unsure how to conjugate verbs. Doesn't seem like I'm making much progress. What do?

>>220021171
Bumping this. Studying the same language and want to know what pitfalls to avoid.

>>220021171
Slang, accents and certain regional memes can confuse you. Leísmo is a good example of this.

You can increase the speed of acquisition by supplementing with Anki for vocabulary and Linguno for conjugations, though some purists argue this will sabotage your progress in the long run.
You simply have to trvst the plan.

>>220021171
I'm less far along than you in Spanish, but have you looked at the Dreaming Spanish Reddit? I say that because it has a lot of posters talking about their abilities and what media they're consuming at various levels of input hours. For example,

https://www.reddit.com/r/dreamingspanish/comments/1kcjllk/those_of_you_with_over_1000_hours_of_ci_how_good/

Search around and browse some of the old threads. You can get an idea of what specific media is easier or harder.

>>220020138
I don't know what to tell you. Classical languages are real languages. I've spent far more than four years studying Latin without regretting it and thinking the time would have been better spent studying German. As someone from the Arab world, I would think you could derive some satisfaction from the study of classical Arabic. If I were from the Arab world, I think I would feel like I had an incomplete education if I never attained a level of knowledge of classical Arabic.

How long have you spent posting about thinking about learning a language in this general? If you counted up all those hours you've spent posting, with that time alone you could have made some respectable progress towards learning a language.

Why do you keep posting that you want to learn a language and never do it? If you want to learn "a language," just pick one and do something to accomplish that consistently. If you spend two years consistently working at learning the wrong language, that experience and discipline from learning the wrong language will put you far closer to learning the perfect language than posting here about choosing a language for the next two years.

If you want to learn German, make a routine from a guide like this >>219971123 and work at it consistently every day.

If you can't do that, don't delude yourself. You don't have to learn a language. No one cares except you. You don't have to be a language learner. Pick another hobby. Take up knitting or gardening. Try different things. Do what makes you happy. None of this will matter when you're dead.

You said you had aspirations of improving your English. If learning a new language is too hard for you, why not rest on your laurels and devote yourself to improving a language you already know? Read some classic English literature. Read Shakespeare. Read some classic Victorian novels. You don't have to learn German or French to enjoy literature. You'll find it's more fulfilling to mix aspiring to do things with actually doing things.

brazilian portuguese (PT) cooked me brehs
Been studying it casually for two years and tested it out on a trip to São Paulo with my gf. Was pretty confident going in since language partners always told me I was good and would be fine.
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First day we're tired af and go to eat lunch - I try to order in PT and the waitress instantly switches to English, probably due to my accent. Then we go to the airbnb early and chill in the lobby. Apparently not allowed, and some security dude comes out screaming in incomprehensible rapid-fire PT. Didn't understand shit until I asked him to slow down, and even then only got the gist.
This pattern repeated itself all trip. If a Brazilian knew English or Spanish they'd just switch instead of giving me a chance. There were many instances where I straight up didn't understand shit even after asking people to repeat themselves - super frustrating because I've listened to A LOT of PT audio and never had that difficulty before. If I mispronounced something or used unnatural phrasing, my interlocutor almost never understood me. Some Brazilians also didn't believe I understood them and kept repeating themselves even as I said "entendi, obrigado." Most humiliating was when an older woman just refused to believe I understood about the repairman and asked if I had Google Translate. Like what was the fucking point of two years of study just to break out the translator.
But it wasn't for nothing. Had two extended conversations - with a baker and a restaurant owner - where they complimented my PT, especially for an American. Reading was no problem and I could translate for my gf. Basic stuff like shopping and ordering food was fine. But PT was a way harder experience than Spanish, and it was humbling to realize I was way worse than I thought.

>>220019821
English speakers completely ignore japanese's pitch accent, which makes your speaking really hard to understand. Of course japanese phonology is piss easy if you ignore the hard bits (and it's not even that hard anyway)

WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I REMEMBER VERBS!?

>>220022598
Shakespeare is an overrated ponce

>>220023753
You raise an excellent point. It would be rash to actually read an English author without taking due time and consideration as to which English author to read. It's not a decision to be made lightly.

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HELP

Last week I started procrastining in my study.

This weekend I didn't study at all, even though before I had a plan to study during the weekend. I can't get away with skipping a weekend, but I can't keep doing that. I have to get my desire to learn back.

Today, I did my Anki reps but I need to do more studying than just that, and it's hard for me to push myself.

I don't want to give up. I need my motivation back.

>>220022598
i dont think disinterest in one implies interest in the other? if someone is unmotivated to learn something like spanish why would they be to read and learn shakespeare?
literally braindead
people lose motivation because language learning has delayed gratification

>>220024317
Just listen to TL songs or watch YouTube in TL or just cuck yourself

>>220024317
tl joi