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>>220184485
billions

Anyone who claims Bulgarian is any easy Slavic language is lying to you
They say this because it has no cases, but it has other shit that is just as bad, or actually worse
You see, every verb is conjugated for person, number, tense, voice, mood, aspect, evidentiality, and gender (male, female, or neuter)
Bulgarian retains the aorist tense from proto-indo-european, which is also found very rarely in Georgian and Armenian, and also in Ancient Greek and Sanskrit
The aorist tense indicates and action that took place once at a specific time in the past but given it's unfamiliar to basically any other living language, it's difficult to get used to
It also has the future-in-the-past tense (and a perfect variation of it) for actions that occured in the past, but after the time at which some other event being discussed occured. Why would you need this?
Even more painful, Bulgarian also has a grammatical feature called "evidentiality" that I mentioned earlier.
This is where verbs are additionally changed according to how it is that you know the action in the sentence occured
There are 4 categories of evidentials:
The indicative (I know the action the verb describes took place because I saw it happen myself)
The inferential (I didn't see it happen, but I saw other evidence that convinces me that it happened)
The renarrative (somebody else told me it happened, and they witnessed it first hand)
The dubiative (somebody else told me it happened, and that person heard it from someone else, and so on)
So - in Bulgarian you cannot ever simply say "the man kicked the ball", or "the dog ate the bone".
You MUST modify the verb every time you speak to explain your source of knowledge
This makes writing fiction in Bulgarian weird... what form or the evidential should the narrator use???
But yeah, all of these features combined, you have hundreds of potential forms for each verb
Maybe not all of them are used, but still, possible to make. It is a nightmare

How do I output correctly? Every time I try to speak or talk it's always broke and with wrong inflection.

Also, how do I internalize the correction that comes afterwards?

Talked with a Chinese guy who is learning English on OmeTV. He didn't use phrase verbs at all like a robot, yet he thought he was a king at spoken English. He lectured me about how to learn language faster, even though he didn't know very basic. He complicated every sentence with advanced words.

Lazy day, I did what I had to do in my TL and I feel like dabbling in some sexy language.
Which language is best for romance and picking up girls? French? Chinese?

Is it possible to learn 3k hanzi in a year, reading and writing? Or is this too ambitious.

>>220166388
Ich würde sagen, dass das Video stark übertrieben ist. Diese Zeile: "Für die meisten jungen Menschen auch in Portugal ist daher nicht mehr das europäische portugiesisch der Standard, sondern das brasilianische" ist im Grunde völlig falsch. Das Wahre ist, dass viele Jugendliche brasilianischen Youtubers und Entertainers aus den socialen Medien schauen, aber ich glaube das die Auswirkung auf ihre Sprechweise kleine ist.
Was er über die Auswirkung des Englischen gesagt hat, ist korrekter. Aber er hat behauptet, dass die Ursache ist, dass viele Englischsprecher hier wohnen, und ich würde sagen, dass das nicht die eigentliche Ursache ist. Nur weil viele Sprecher einer Sprache in ein Land ziehen, bedeutet das nicht, dass sie die Muttersprache des Landes ändern. Er hat nicht die Tatsache erwähnt, dass viele Portugiesen in andere Länder ziehen und dort über viele Jahre Englisch sprechen, ohne viel Portugiesisch zu sprechen. (Schau mal in die Wikipedia zu Luxemburg lol) Das Ergebnis ist nicht, dass sie ihre Muttersprache vergessen, sondern ich habe manchmal gemerkt, dass viele Menschen englische Wörter statt des entsprechenden portugiesischen Wortes verwenden.

Ich habe mich stark auf KI gestützt, um das zu schreiben.

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you're not fluent unless you can name all parts of a chariot in your TL

>>220187011
yes
but will you be able to use them to make meaningful sentences? no lmao

>>220189264
it's interesting that you can tell how important chariots were to ancient China by how common these words are in other compounds
辐射 - irradiate - shoot out like spokes of a wheel
舆论 - public opinion - in the carriage
南辕北辙 - contradictory behaviour - shaft pointing south wheels pointing north
轴线 - axis - axel line

>>220189264
>>220189318
That's pretty cool. Kind of like we have a ton of metaphors and idioms from knighthood and medieval tournaments, some exist in English.

>etwas im Schilde führen
literal: to carry something on the shield
meaning: to be plotting something

>eine Lanze für jemanden brechen
literal: to break a lance for someone
meaning: to defend, advocate for someone

>sich ins Zeug legen
literal: to put oneself into the gear/armor
meaning: to put in great effort

>auf dem hohen Ross sitzen
literal: to sit on a high horse
meaning: to be arrogant

>in die Schranken weisen
literal: to send into the barriers
meaning: to put someone in their place

>jemanden aus dem Sattel heben
literal: to unseat someone from the saddle
meaning: to defeat someone

>mit offenem Visier kämpfen
literal: to fight with an open visor
meaning: to act openly and honestly

>Paroli bieten
literal: to offer a counter (parry)
meaning: to stand up to someone

>>220189859
>>etwas im Schilde führen
I don't get this one. If it was behind then it would make more sense to me. If it's carried on the shield then wouldn't it be visible?

>>220189859
there are some more in Chinese which don't use vocab from the picture
分道扬镳 - part ways - split road and raise the bridles (to drive the horses on)
如出一辙 - exactly the same - driving in the same ruts
故辙 - old ingrained habit - rut (we use it the same in English)

>>220190212
It doesn't relate to keeping something out of sight, it just refers to the Wappen that would be on shields and what you represent. See: Böses im Schilde führen/ nichts Gutes im Schilde führen

>>220191262
Oh that makes sense. What a cool idiom.

>>220189859
More:

>sich wappnen (gegen)
literal: to arm oneself
meaning: to prepare for something difficult

>jemanden aus dem Sattel werfen
literal: to throw someone out of the saddle
meaning: to defeat or unseat someone (often figuratively, e.g. in politics)

>den ersten Stich setzen
literal: to place the first thrust
meaning: to make the first effective move

>zum Angriff blasen
literal: to blow (the horn) for attack
meaning: to initiate action

>jemanden ausstechen
literal: to lance someone out (with a spear/lance)
meaning: to outdo or beat someone, especially in rivalry

>aus dem Stegreif
literal: from the (saddle's) stirrup
meaning: to do something off the cuff / without preparation

>aus der Bahn werfen
literal: to throw someone off the track (tilting lane)
meaning: to unsettle or derail someone

>den Spieß umdrehen
literal: to turn the spear around
meaning: to turn the tables

>fest/gut im Sattel sitzen
literal: to sit well in the saddle
meaning: to be secure, confident, or in a strong position

>die Klinge kreuzen
literal: to cross blades
meaning: to engage in a duel or direct confrontation

>die Zügel in der Hand behalten/aus der Hand geben
literal: to keep the reins in hand/to leave the reins
meaning: to stay in control/to lose control

>die Zügel schleifen lassen
literal: to let the reins drag
meaning: to lose control / become lax

Those are all used in contemporary language and not obscure at all, especially metaphorically in competitive situations such as politics or sports.

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>>220189264
>tfw when not fluent in my native language

>>220191986
which one didn't you know? drawbar?
if you didn't know any of the rest then you are genuinely not fluent

>>220189859
>>mit offenem Visier kämpfen
>literal: to fight with an open visor
>meaning: to act openly and honestly
huh, that's cool

>>220184609
Bulgarian literature gotta be interesting as hell

ps: these new captchas are abhorrent

>>220192854
It's similar to 'playing with open cards/hands'.

>>220193303
it's "put (one's) cards on the table," right? like:
I'm putting my cards on the table

>come back to /int/ after a few years
>the jordanon isn't here asking for language advice anymore
huh,I guess he did decide after all? this makes me sad, it feels like the end of an era

Latinx languages have so many fakers. Just because the words for """complicates"""" words like economy, selection, diligent, verdigris, pancreas etc. are the same, does not mean you know the language. Ask a "I speak latinx language fluently" to translate sigh, groan, snarl, hiccup, sill, plier, dazzle, panting, tailwind, eyelid, words that any little child knows, and he will just stare blankly

>read 1 news article
>Save the words I don't understand in Anki
>200 words save

How do I fix this?

>>220195065
Read moar. For the time being, maybe read simpler content (if possible) and only add the most high-frequency words to Anki

>>220195065
read easier stuff. I did this with difficult books and while you get a lot of new anki entries it just feels super tedious and draining. I suggest you look for something that you feel you could read for 2-3 hours in a row everyday

>>220184817
Start really small, from like two word sentences and work your way up, stay in your zone of proximal development, don't try to use more than one new word per sentence. Also, it goes without saying that you need to input a lot.

>how do I internalize the correction
You don't, they're essentially useless. Especially if you're trying to say something way out of your current level.

>>220195065
News articles are like C1 content. Grab a lil baby graded reader for lil baby beginners that limits the vocab to like 1.5k most common words. Then instead of Ankigooning, just dp lookups once and re-read to review.

does anyone else have problems with voice acting in your native language? i have been watching some animated content (only stuff i can find in TL) and when i have my native langauge on before i switch, i cannot stand listening to the voices of the voice actors for my native langauge (english). not sure if this is that english voice actors just sound infantile, or it's that i just associate english voice acting with infantilism, cause of my childhood.

I never saw Alexander Argüelles actually using a foreign language.

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bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDq0nxs-vFU

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Prussians took this from us.

>>220194371
what little children are you hanging out with that they know what sill, plier and tailwind are.

page 10

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>>220199136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3UC7dWBDvg

>>220193826
Yep, he chose German. Now he rarely posts because he's so busy learning it.

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>>220187011
yeah it is 10 per day.
literally get this book and you can learn it all in one year with half an hour a day.
spend longer at the beginning on HSK 1 words doing more writing of those to get the patterns and system

I am quite found of clozemaster

How do I do intensive listening?

>>220207021
Imagine if you were learning English and your teachers made you learn how to spell every word before you started learning grammar
that's what this is like

>>220209597
for all intensive purposes you don't

i am almost done making an anki deck of 250 bosnian/croatian/serbian verbs with translation and the perfect imperfect pairs.

the original extraction of the text was done using AI, but I've validated every extracted verb pair to see that it matches the original

i think i will post a shared deck when im done
</blogpost>

Can you guys rate my new strategy to train my listening and conversation. I will solely talk in my native language and my partner theirs, but we will use drawings to try to understand each other

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>>220209597
Listen with total focus, pause to do lookups, rewind parts until you fully understand and try to hear subtle sounds that you have issue with.

In comparison, freeflow listening is when you just chill and take in what you can, either fully focused or while doing something else, and 10 minutes of audio takes no more than 10 minutes to get through. Intensive listening almost always takes more time and effort, but the results are usually better.

ever sense studying in the us i want to go back home everyone looks at me odd when i have an accent despite my english being excellent am i not able to change my accent forever?

>>220219647
You can do shadowing to improve your accent.

>>220184485
I always struggled to pick between japanese and mandarin. Though I leaned towards mandarin because I have yellow fever and I got the impression that chinese girls fetishized white guys more than japanese girls would.
However I came to the conclusion that I am ugly and a woman will never be attracted to me, chinese or not.
That helped me clear up the doubt in my mind and I could just focus on japanese because thats content that I can consume

>>220219163
Is it better than transcription exercises?

>>220200044
What’s the best source for German accents?

>>220191870
Cool posts. Thanks anon.

I'm studying French because I feel like a brainlet not knowing it but holy fuck I'm lacking motivation. I'm not a big fan of modern French culture (I do like the Revolution and Napoleon, though - but Napoleon was Corsican anyways). French people seem like dicks. I hate this retarded pronunciation. Quebec, Morocco and France seem like the only travel destination worth visiting where French is used and I don't have an inclination to visit either + I could probably get away with English.

Right now my only real motivation is that I like French New Wave movies and that French is fucking everywhere in literature - it'd be nice to be able to read French classics but that's basically it. I need some motivation to get to the point where I can read and hold basic conversations lads, any help? Once I get to that level I think I'll jump ship to Italian or my dream language of Russian which I've been putting off in favor of easier languages (Spanish, Portuguese and now French).

Also mini rants about Portuguese:

1. Brazilians contract their language in informal ways way too fucking much and it makes it extremely difficult to understand them especially when they talk fast.

2. It's very fucking annoying how Portugal Portuguese is pronounced almost so completely differently that if I were to go to Portugal I'd basically have to relearn the language to be able to speak.

With Spanish you don't have these problems. People may speak Spanish quickly but they don't do these lazy contractions which honestly to me is an ignorant manner of speaking. When I talked to educated whiter Brazilians they were easier to understand and I'm pretty sure it's because they spoke their language CORRECTLY. And of course, if you learn one dialect of Spanish (e.g. Mexican) you'll basically be able to navigate literally every other Spanish speaking country - not saying that it's the same everywhere, just that the differences aren't so fucking massive that it renders your studying moot.

>>220221599
>I like French New Wave movies and that French is fucking everywhere in literature
That's enough. Get Language reactor and readlang and consume content and ankigoon till fluency

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>>220220196
Listening while reading a transcript? Or transcribing what you hear, like a dictation?

The first is a good training wheel when your listening is in the beginner stage and you need to do a lot of lookups to even follow what's being said. The latter, I don't know, feels more like a way to test your current listening & spelling abilities rather than something you'd use to build them.

Is it better than intensive listening on its own? Well, starting out with intensive listening right off the bat would be pretty frustrating and it would take you forever to get through anything and doing lookups is hard when you can't spell. I think intensive listening only becomes worth it once your listening is already decent and you want to squeeze that last bit of comprehension to 100%.

Start with listening with transcript -> review and gradually transition to freeflow listening -> intensive listening to really hammer down those murky spots and max out comprehension -> test out your skills by transcribing something

test

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>>220196713
>why yes I'll read this as fast as English one day!
the cope levels I have with mandarin are reaching autism levels

where's the ZA anon, was wandering if he speaks any of the bantu langauges.

>>220196783
ya I can't stand watching english dubbed anime most of the time with some rare exceptions, but find german and french to be fine almost 100% of the time. Not sure why that is.

>>220221599
>French people seem like dicks
Stop being so prejudiced. That’s just some old outdated Anglo-French banter. Germans aren’t autistic, Italians don’t go with bada-bing-bada-boom all the time, and Spaniards do work (if they are employed, since they supposedly have high unemployment). And if you think the French are rude, arrogant whatever... by American standards, almost all Europeans are. Your views have been shaped by Hollywood filmmakers and the X's bots. Form your own opinion about someone by approaching people with a more or less open mind.
And if you want to form your opinions in advance, at least read some academic (preferable non-Anglo) literature that describes social, political and cultural phenomena, but without going overboard in applying those insights to every aspect of life, thank you very much
>When I talked to educated whiter Brazilians they were easier to understand and I'm pretty sure it's because they spoke their language CORRECTLY
It's the same with English native speakers. Or with almost every nation.
>Once I get to that level I think I'll jump ship to Italian or my dream language of Russian which I've been putting off in favor of easier languages (Spanish, Portuguese and now French).
Why aren't you learning Russian then? It's like wanting to drive a truck but learning to ride a motorcycle first. Or putting off your dream of studying medicine until you finish law school.
I could understand it if you were dreaming of some niche language for which there are no resources in your native language, or if you liked certain languages and cultures equally: only then would it make SOME sense. Follow your dreams anon

>>220229816
Alright fair enough, funny to be on 4chan and someone tells me not to be prejudiced but you're right. I will try to find French language partners when I'm ready. And in my travel bucket list I'll try to go to French speaking countries.

>It's the same with English native speakers. Or with almost every nation.
yeah but I felt like it's overboard with Brazilian Portuguese, I don't know. Honestly I'm just salty that being able to understand Brazilian newscasters and language partners didn't translate well to being able to understand regular everyday Brazilians on the street.

>Why aren't you learning Russian then?
I mean I really do want to learn French, it really really bothers me that I can't understand it at a basic level and it does interest me, despite my complaints. It just seems like a logical next step to get French done first when I have Spanish/Portuguese mostly done and then level up to Russian. And that'll probably be it in terms of languages to learn, at least to a good level.

Why do some languages have very simple plural forms while some languages are all over the place.
English is straight forward, put an -s in the end (with exceptions of course).
Italian is also pretty simple most of the time. It’s an -i or an -e depending on the gender (with exceptions of course).
But Scottish Gaelic is like:
>the plural of Sgiorta (skirt)? Why that’s Sgiortaichean of course.
And it’s different all over the place and doesn’t necessarily depend on gender. Masculine and feminine words can have the same endings.
What is the linguist's explanation for this?

>>220231950
I mean, you can be prejudiced, but based on something more than just some caricature of the French in a Netflix series or whatever mass media you consume
>Honestly I'm just salty that being able to understand Brazilian newscasters and language partners didn't translate well to being able to understand regular everyday Brazilians on the street
Imagine Fox News presenters talking like they are from the Burbank Mountain movie or CNN presenters talking like from the Hood
>I mean I really do want to learn French
Then do it. But not because you already know Spanish or Portuguese but because you like it. My only motivation right now is to check off "learn your TL" on my daily to-do list. Other motivations come and go depending on my mood, so sometimes I do the bare minimum, and other times I go all out. Same thing as with cleaning the house, doing groceries or keeping up in contact with friends. Use your protestant work ethic or something. But that's just advice from a master-dabbler: I don't know if it will apply to you.
I might have overreacted a bit, but I’m a low-key a Francophile, I’ve met some French people, and I don’t like American stereotypes about them because they’re either untrue or exaggerated to the extreme. Peace

>>220221599
>Let me just learn these 3 to 4 languages I'm not interested in and don't enjoy, before I start actually learning the language I want to learn
Why do people do this?

>>220232119
>Why do some languages have very simple plural forms while some languages are all over the place
Because they were more whimsical back in the day

>>220186327
>He complicated every sentence with advanced words
Based

>>220232498
What is the most whimsical language?

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>japanese is easy for koreans but korean isnt easy for japanese

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>>220224942
Mandarin is more information-dense
>Hi, finally I've been able to get in touch with you
>你好,终于联系到您了
it's natural for it to take a bit longer

>>220232119
Irish doesn't seem very simple
typically languages with less possibilities for inflection have more irregularities and exceptions
for example, in Turkic languages nouns can inflect almost infinitely for number, lots of cases, possession, predication, verb-ness, adjective-ness, etc. So they only have one regular plural suffix: -lar. In English nouns only inflect for number and one case, so they have many irregular plurals
another example: In Japanese verbs inflect for many things with like 50 permutations, so they only have 2 types of verb and limited irregulars. In Spanish, verbs only inflect for number, tense, and mood, so there are lots of irregulars.
Of course this is not a hard and fast rule, but highly inflecting languages usually have their irregulars and inconsistencies corrected out over time

one of the worst trends in the language learning community in the past few years is people who become obsessed with dialects before becoming fluent in the standard language, if you see someone talking about Low German and Kansai-ben before reaching high B2 or low C1 level you can just tell they're NGMI

>>220232119
>the plural of Sgiorta (skirt)? Why that’s Sgiortaichean of course.
I found this is is one area that input took care of without any problems. All the 'weird irish'/'weird scottish gaelic' rules I hear people talk about are things I don't even recognize as rules but just understand intuitively

>>220233934
But how will I connect with my ancestors if I don’t speak Neapolitan and merely standard Italian derived from T*scan?

>learn irish, scottish gaelic, korean, japanese
>with the exception of japanese never met anyone in my country learning any of these
>go onto /lang/
>these are the only languages mentioned by american flags
where are you guys irl

>>220234087
probably because most japanese learners dont go outside or talk to people, meanwhile celtic langs and korean have a bunch of normie diasporafag learners at least in the US

>>220234087
I don't tell anyone I'm learning languages even my family doesn't know.

>>220234087
I’ve studied Italian and German too, but I felt like learning Scottish Gaelic for fun and diasporalarping. Might study Welsh too for the same reason. It’s just a hobby of mine among others, but I don’t tell anyone because no one gives a fuck. Only my wife knows, but she doesn’t care. I did tell a normie once that I was learning Italian and she laughed at me, but whatever. I could only imagine the confusion if I told someone I was learning Scottish Gaelic.

There is this resource for German:
https://rentry.org/german-readers
A great thing. Has anyone created something similar for other languages? Especially for French, Spanish, Italian, Swedish/Norwegian/Danish, Dutch, Japanese?

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>>220232494
idk, i dont get it either.

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>unicorn academy
>8 episodes in my TL
>many of the same voice actors as KPop demon hunters and other Netflix slop
this is how i win

>>220234035
Have you tried this app? https://lingolab.io/

.

>>220232494
I mean I already know English, Spanish and some Portuguese so I have a pretty good head start on French. My rationale is that I should get that out of the way first and then move onto Russian because with Russian it will be a lot more difficult and time consuming - hence doing the opposite of Russian -> French wouldn't make sense since I'd probably never get to French.

Why does my accent in Portuguese seem like combination of Brazilian Portuguese and European Portuguese at times?

Does /lang/ use AI tools?

I've been using Claude to get word definitions and it's nice because I just type in the word and I get an accurate definition + useful context to understand the word. Good for helping me make cards to Ankigoon.

>>220246171
I use morpheem which is this new AI based site some guy created. Pretty obscure for now but I find it useful.

>>220246171
i use it to help with writing. corrections are generally alright. using them to determine your level not so much.

>>220229816
I form all of my opinions about various countries based purely on the autistic jackasses I meet on this board

>>220236618
based

>>220246171
I just use AI normally but I give it a pre-prompt to only talk to me in TL and never use english

I like learning Latin and French.

Noticing that you've gotten better at your TL for the Nth time is always an amazing feeling
My journey will literally never end
I love language learning!

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how am I supposed to use music to learn when I cant make out what people are saying in english

>>220252662
you don't

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I tried to learn German to move there to work as a pharmacist but the process of degree recognition is MUCH, MUCh more complex than I anticipated and I contacted them and sadly I think, for now, I will not consider Germany.
I have better options of getting good work elsewhere (Dubai maybe?) and it's easier.
So that cancels German (since I tried to learn it for utility).
Now, I also got blackpilled (for the 5938593th time) by the fact I can't get a job or make money online, so once again I have decided to return to language learning as a pure hobby (for fun).
Which language should I learn?
I've never been "Uh, whatever. It won't happen" than I am now, so maybe this time I'll really learn a language for real.

>>220251698
I guess I am about to know how that feels. I feel compelled to actually go through with language learning now as a cope for the fact I am not able to get a job. I will literally use it as a cope to get me through my last year of uni.

What is the most learned language on this general? Provided it isn't an Asian language I will probably learn it just so I can eventually dabble in that TL with other people here and hold myself accountable.

>>220254709
>I guess I am about to know how that feels
Inshallah

>>220254766
>What is the most learned language on this general?
Scottish Gaelic

>>220254844
i really want to learn a language and share my progress here please stop shitposting
i might resort to asking ChatGPT or Claude to help me choose a language but I'd prefer if I could get genuine insights from humans
Actions speak harder than words so I will not write blogposts about language learning and just find a good language, learn it, and output asap

>>220254766
English and Arabic

>>220254877
How much progress did you make in German? Isn't this the longest you've stuck with one language?

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>>220254884
seems like i can't ever get past the impression i've made here. i am serious this time and all i get is shitposts
Acabou. Nunca começou.

>>220254920
Bruh. YOu literally told us that you are a troll and trolled us for years. I still believe you, but I still fall for your bait at the same time.

>>220236618
Same

>>220254877
>to help me choose a language
Jordie-san, my sensei once told me the best way to choose a language is to listen to your heart. If your heart doesn't know, dabble some and then the path will become clear.

>>220254907
I actually made good progress and learned a few words but once people found out they talked me out of it after I told them I am learning it to get a job in Germany and told me for the 10% of the effort it takes to work in Germany I can make shitload of cash working in the gulf (Arab) countries, and travel the world using just my English.
I also tried several (tons of) online money making projects and they ALL failed. everything's either oversaturated, too complex, or if it 100% doable then i can't get paid from Jordan
so I decided to drop all the schizo tier aspirations of learning online passive income shit and useless, low yield accent work/Arabic bullshit and just learn a language for... fun, even if i sound like a duck speaking it, because it's the only thing that makes sense now.
I've dabbled with language learning long enough, even if I was just trolling most of the time, to eventually genuinely consider it, and since I will be learning a language 100% for fun and out of my own volition, I believe in myself now.

>>220254663
Pivot to Dutch or even try Sweden or some shit

>>220255005
I don't want to dabble any longer. I want to immediately choose a language, and commit to it, even if it's a dogshit, boring ass language, I just want to learn it for real this time

>>220255072
Jordie-san... if you knew what language to learn it would be very apparent. It would be calling your name. You would not be asking us to choose for you. But for us to choose for you is not going to truly yield results. You need to find the language that is calling for you yourself. Only then will you be free.

>>220255072
Pick something you have a genuine interest in or you won't do shit lol
If you don't have a genuine interest you need to find it fr cuh

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>mfw trying to not reply to jordie

>>220255249
Persian.
But I only got A1.1 resource that's robust (teaches pronunciation, absolutely basic grammar, 600 words, or something like that) and then it dries like a desert. 0 Arabic-Persian resources.
English-Persian resources complicate it.
There's an Iraqi language teacher that started recently teaching A1 Persian on YouTube, but I am scared of committing to her only for her to stop uploading.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WSHlTJCoR2E
she speaks broken English here, I guess she also teaches Persian in English but she seems high quality

>>220255365
But I forgot: I will be the only person learning it here. I need some kind of community-feeling where people evaluate, correct me and observe my progress, propels me forward.
Could you please, without any shitposting, and 100% honesty, reply to this post with what language you're learning?
Remember:
>I've dabbled with language learning long enough, even if I was just trolling most of the time, to eventually genuinely consider it, and since I will be learning a language 100% for fun and out of my own volition, I believe in myself now.

>>220255558
I meant to greentext this:
>I don't want to dabble any longer. I want to immediately choose a language, and commit to it, even if it's a dogshit, boring ass language, I just want to learn it for real this time

>>220255365
>>220255558
>>220255595
Learn Swedish, become a king

>>220255072
Choose one of the official UN languages (English, Spanish, Russian, French, Arabic, Chinese). They are widely spoken across the world and have plenty of resources

>>220255759
https://streamable.com/vb4m4u
language reveal... :)
let's go :D?

>>220255900
Good luck on you journey bro. Have fun during the process. I recommend you using readlang and lingopie

>>220255900
If you drop it before the end of the year I will be angry

I'm not happy with my progress in German. I can't speak a word of it. It's true, I neglected Pimsleur because I couldn't speak out loud, but I was still watching Nico's Way, and I was doing Anki. These Natural Method books for German on YT are too boring.
>>220246140
So what? Even if French takes you less time than Russian, it will still take you quite a while. If Russian is your ultimate goal, and you really want to learn it and are motivated to devote hundreds of hours to it, then learn Russian. A degree in cultural studies is easier, and you'll master the material faster and more easily than in law school, but if you want to be a lawyer, what the hell do you need a bachelor's degree in cultural studies for? It's still 3 years. You can do it as a hobby after a law school.
>>220248039
I assume that the general population behaves, if not exactly, then at least almost, the opposite of the people here
>>220255365
Oh, Jordananon has trouble with German, too.
>Persian
Find an online community. There are quite a few Persians in Germany and Sweden. And if that’s not enough, you can also look for Tajiks. They’re friendly people. They speak the language in Afghanistan too, though not everyone does.
>>220255071
>>220255723
I consider this. Eventually French or Spanish, at least until I master my English like up to C1 or C2 or some shit like that.

>>220255900
>>220257193
Nevermind about Persian. Still, Spanish is a major language, and Spanish speakers are friendly, so you’ll quickly find a community online or even in real life, since it’s a popular language.

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I forgot to do my flashcards yesterday and now have tonnes.

>>220255900
that's unrefundable now!
also what happened to German

Are there any models that are good for practicing speaking with or are they all still shit ? Which one is the best nowadays? Gemini? Grok ? Gpt?

>>220258803
As in actually speaking with (your voice)

>>220258803
Talkpal Ai
The voices and AI improve by a ton and sounds way more natural and it keeps engaging with you

Language learning made me complete skeptical about anyone who claims to speak more than 4 to 5 languages

>>220259055
If you spend a lot of time on youtube, you see that every polyglot youtuber falls into one of three categories:
>grew up in a multilingual environment, learned one additional language as an adult, maybe two closely related languages
>financially independent or somehow gets paid to learn languages, spends immense hours every day on it
>fraud

>>220259206
I thought youtube polyglots mostly just learn some canned sentences using Anki and SHOCK locals with PERFECT NATIVE LIKE SKILLS while incapable of comprehend most things other people say

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xfRf5yWjjJA
Farsi? Or Spanish?
Should I let my picrel lead me? :D

>>220259569
OH, I forgot that latinas are hot too

Almost all nations have hot women. Anyway, let me know what you decide because then I’ll either start learning Spanish at the same time as you or pick another language but still at the same time.

>>220259739
Isn't lust haram? Brother focus on the language not the women

How do I learn the vernacular of a language?

>>220260882
talk to native speakers or watch youtube/equivalent in the language
films and books are ok but might be outdated or not use very vernacular expressions

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>>220260882
Become well read

>>220254877
You heard the man. Scottish Gaelic

>>220260024
>>220259739
>>220259569
>>220255900
So which language are you finally learning, Jordan anon, because I want to start learning

Ygg is kill :(
https://gr0leak.fun/

hungarian or turkish for a meme non-indo european language that uses the latin alphabet?

Ever since Jordie showed up in /Lang/ I did the following:

Passed the SIELE with a C1 grade after failing the DELE B2 one year before that.

Got to B1 in Brazilian Portuguese.

Cleared ad Chinese HSK1 mock exam with 180/200 points.

>>220254877
>shitposting
Its not even a shitpost. It is one of the most learned languages in this general

>>220266501
That's pretty cool. How is your language study routine like?

Hokkien tone sandhi is agonizing.

Any tips to learn french and Russian?

diez

>>220183376
I think "can you elaborate?" will suffice

>>220265799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIkIOV0kjUY
If you are REALLY serious about learning with me, let's learn Persian together.
100% serious
let's go?

>>220265799
actually I don't want to be imposing and evil, what language do YOU want to learn?
Since I just want someone to learn with, much more than what language I would learn itself.
So, which languages would you like to learn?

>>220265799
Pick a lang that's abundant in resources to make it easy for both of us to learn it effectively

DON'T DIE /LANG/!

mnye pohui is a magic word. ever since learning that word my understanding of life changed(in a good way)

>>220274147
Someone who doesn't know how to use a VPN service called upon me to tell you that he will learn Spanish with you, having started a month ago. Do not recommend. His Discord username is @newked955

>>220274173
I am currently considering between Spanish, French, Swedish/Norwegian, and Dutch. If you are planning any of these, then I start learning the same. If you choose another one, that's still ok, I'll choose one from my list, but I'll start at the same time as you

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>>220277580
>Norwegian
I am quite fond of Norwegian

>>220270674
Learn basic grammar and vocab then input + ankigoon

>>220277580
French it is. 100%
Gonna get the resources and start tonight, or at the least, tomorrow.

I hate when people call languages "logical" as if that means anything.

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>Every time I feel the urge to reply to Jordie, I add 10 minutes to my daily input session

>>220280898
I don't bite portugueseobro

>>220277580
>If you choose another one, that's still ok, I'll choose one from my list, but I'll start at the same time as you
If you had German i'd have chosen it, but you sure you won't ever learn German?
So French?

>>220280898
I feel guilty that I am not going to work on something that helps me make money, but at the same time I did what I could. I really like language learning. It's probably going to take 1-2 hours daily.

diez

finished the anki deck for HSK1 words. read around ~80 stories/lessons in duchinese. and also speedran through chinese zero to hero video lessons for hsk1. the HSK/video course was extremely easy because of all the stuff I had read in DuChinese beforehand
I guess tomorrow I'll start with duchinese lessons aimed for hsk2 and read for a few hours before tackling the hsk2 course
Can't believe people take 4 month courses and pay to finish HSK1. I wonder for how much longer I can keep this pace of 20 new words a day.

>>220285865
it's not worth it to take any hsk test until hsk3 at the very least
I only ever did hsk3 and 6

>>220280824
Anyone who does anything "logically" normally gets really emotional about anything for some reason. Weirdos fr

>>220281528
You gave up on German like yesterday.
What about 100% here >>220280656 or Spanish here >>220255900 ?

>>220219717
I dated just fine while living in Seoul, but I never got much attention from Koreans in language apps while being abroad despite actually being decent at Korean. Tried setting Chinese in HelloTalk and after a few days I have a roster of very hot girls sending me frequent selfies and flirting with me.
If you want to be a gooner with real women I think Chinese is the clear answer. I'm guessing Japanese girls are probably as aloof as Koreans online. I also think that the major language exchange apps are actually based in China so the userbase to pull from is way bigger

>>220286029
yeah I mean I just finished the official HSK1 content. I'll probably try to only take 4, depends on my rythm and exam dates. I think 4 is when it starts being relevant for CVs, legal reqs in the country, etc. I might want to teach Spanish in China in the long-term, I don't fucking know.

damn these tests are expensive

>>220286205
maybe you're just ugly

>>220286135
lmao'ing at him ripping the plastic wrapping off the minty fresh complete spanish book just to have to go return it again for it to be rewrapped and resold to him 2 weeks from now

>>220285865
HSK2 is considered to be around A1 while HSK1 is like A0, personally i wouldn't take any language certification tests until i'm in the B2+ range (around HSK5-6 in the case of mandarin) since it's a waste of money
anyone spending more than 2 months for HSK1 is either clinically retarded or a sucker getting scammed tho lol

>>220287972
actually these might be incorrect since the data i used for this is 15 years old and the test has changed a lot since then from what i can tell, but you can just add 0.5 - 1 CEFR levels and it should be fine i figure