>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldPrevious: >>221162431
Which language should I learn? I don't feel like learning German desu. I only chose it because it's the only language I actually managed to study some of.
>>221286672Asked GPT to help me ask for advice here in a better way and it suggested I should specify my goals, so:>Fun>Easy enough>Ubiquitous on the internet>Has music/songs that slap>Isn't super nicheAll I can think about rn.
Learn Scottish Gaelic Jordie. It’ll change your life.
>>221286702Japanese
>>221286812>>221286826>Fusha Arabic --> MSAmaxxing --> eloquence?VS>Russian?
>>221286838Since I am back to suggesting Arabic, all cards on the table:I feel scared of the critical period pill and that I have become 26 and thus too old to learn a new languageSo if I put that effort into the two languages I already speak I would get so good everyone would say I am articulate whenever I speak.It's a good goal overall for me, and I use English and Arabic every day.
Thinking about what to dabble in next, my available options are: >Portuguese (BR)Seems to be a practical language to learn and sounds beautiful. I am pretty good with French and know some Italian too which should make things easier on me. >ThaiI want to get to know at least one SEA language eventually and Thai's writing system is cool as fuck. Not the most useful language to learn though. >VietnameseArguably more practical than Thai maybe? The language itself doesn't sound as nice to me though.
>>221286966Neither. Pick a global language, those are too nicheAnswer my own question pls
>>221286838Why not Japanese if Russian in on the table? The grammar is probably just as difficult as in Japanese, the script is easier in Russian, but only because of kanji, kana is easy, you can still focus on speaking and listening, and write and read at a slower pace, and pronunciation is much easier. I don't know about the word order, but in Slavic languages, and in languages with cases in general, it's not very strict.And what happened to German? Why are you no longer interested in it? >>221287000Portuguese is a global language >>221286966Portuguese. Aesthetics > everything
>>221287091There are no good resources to learn Japanese.German? I don't know, I am not moving to Germany and WW2 history nerding isn't worth learning German over, and there isn't anything worthy (that I know of) that's German media-wise.Japanese? Well, I am not a weeb and I am scared of being associated with the effeminate men that for some reason like Japanese. Finally, no good resources exist for Japanese.Russian? Russian is popular on the net, I had 58395839 online Russian friends, and I got a good stack of resources.Let's discuss this further. What do you think?
>>221287167>There are no good resources to learn JapaneseAre you shitting me? The best tools to self learn a language are probably for the Japanese language It's a funny language, not an easy one but so do Russian, but pronunciation is not difficult, popular online and Japanese music really slaps. And it's not a niche language anymore. They have an unusual sense of humor though, not for me desu>I am scaredThat's sounds effeminate ngl. But yeah, there's a lot of weirdos but so do on 4chan. And the anglosphere is very soy-like as well>no German mediaThat's kind of true, they should have better popculture / cultural soft power compared to their economy and importance Alternatively referring to this >>221286702 I suggest French, Spanish, Portuguese or actually Russian, it's a cool language
>>221287167Germans speak English. There’s no point learning German if you know English.
I've learned to read both French and Japanese at a reasonable level in the time that Jordie has spent trying to choose a language over the years.
>>221287523>>There are no good resources to learn Japaneseis actually not an unreasonable thing to say. (though he is memeing)In comparison to better established languages in western linguistics, so the major Indo-European, Uralic and Semitic languages, Japanese actually lacks any "really good" (or just good) resources. The vast majority of resources that do exist are often compiled by amateurs, babbified by not using le scary "jargon" or providing explanations beyond surface level and are often experimental (though this can work out sometimes), basically they end up being held back by their creators either not having enough expertise or wanting to handhold newbs.This leads to such resources often refusing to directly acknowledge the 6 用語 forms, instead using made up terms of convenience like "masu stem" if any at all, giving simplified and therefore vague explanations of particles' functions, never mentioning verb pairs, unbound/combining noun forms, not giving even an outline of pitch accent, etc. etc.Imagine opening a Latin textbook, just to be given vague explanations of noun case, paradigms, maybe get a mention of phonemic stress being a thing if you're lucky, and Latin scholars just telling you to "read moar then u will understand" instead of actually providing explanations, that is how it is sadly, maybe one day there will be a competent resource that isn't locked away in some dusty university library unscanned hence not available online eitherSo it seems that this happened from a combination of Japanese not having hundreds of years of study like languages peripheral to Western Europe and Japanese learners just learning the language through 50 gazillion hours of input without ever using any real grammar resource + anybody important can just get tutoring bypassing either grammar study or mass media inputtldr nobody competent wants to waste their time writing good learning resources for le weebs who end up brute-forcing through sheer input anyways
> ask Gemini some question about the language with a little bit of context about myself as an exampleNigger makes that little comment my whole personality with cringe reddit comparisons after every damn answer.
>>221286660is he writing upside down?
>>221286702Learn Swedish. It fits all your criteria. And they're also extremely anti-racist, they love their lil brown men so you can't use that as an excuse anymore. You can move there after you finish your pharmacy degree and get a job.>>221289181He's not studying, he's actually teaching Arabic to the student across him.
>>221268159The Brit is the exception that proves the rule. The few success cases on /lang/ with certificates over the years were always self-taught. All the non-grifter polyglots on YT, all self-taught. You can absolutely succeed without school, but I don't think you can succeed without self-studying. The Brit is also clearly a go-getter, he would not have succeeded if he wasn't also self-driven and didn't study extensively outside of class.>>221269904I'm still actively inputting German every day (1-2h), it's just that fluency takes a long time and that last 10% of the language takes way longer than the first 90%. I admit I do need a better late-game strategy. It would go faster if I doubled down on German and increased my immersion time, but I chose to study a second language at the same time and just follow what's fun.>>221268420>why Swedish?I took a chance and fell in love with it. Simple as.
>>221289323>teaching Arabicsounds grating
Jordie I beg please just give up on language learning it's clearly not for you astagfirullah go be a doctor or whatever instead
>>221289625I CRACKED THE CODE, SERBBRO!suggest to me a socially positive language to learn that wouldn't make me seem like a weirdo when I date.THAT WILL DO IT.
>>221289663RARE FLAG
>>221290048Besides the 1 month I spent at the IRL German class (in which I MOGGED everyone) I haven't literally done anything other than unwrap textbooksFor me, language learning is not over... It literally never began.
>>221290053I already did, dumbass. Learn Swedish. NOW!!!
>>221290070who the fuck learns Swedish. i am not moving to sweden.ChatGPT says that the most attractive dating langs are French/Spanish.is that true? and if yes... French or... Spanish? KEK
>>221290048>just give up on language learningWe all should do this, truth be told. We're too old, it's time to pick up boomer hobbies like making WW2 tank models or growing grapevines.
>>221290136IVAN! SHOULD I LEARN RUSKIE!RESPOND! COMRADE
>>221290147No, of course not.
>>221290182why not?
>>221290090Imbecile. Never reply to me again.
Do you guys have any advice for balancing the study of multiple languages? I've been learning Russian for a while and my comphrension is very solid, I'd say I'm about B2. But I'd also like to learn french, and have been putting more effort towards that. Should I just keep doing Russian for say 20-30 mins a day to keep it alive in my head? I've basically decided that these are the two languages I would like to be fluent in, and I'm still in my early 20's so I'll probably be studying both of them for the rest of my life. Just hard to beat the feeling that I'm "quitting" despite having a very functional level of russian in daily life. Any advice on these feels???
>>221290059It's been four years of you trying to pick a language and failing every timeJust give up
>>221290556A good strategy is leveraging the fact that your higher-level language takes very little effort to study compared to your lower-level one. You can lock in and study French for 30 minutes, straining your mind, then "take a break" and relax your mind by watching something in Russian, then go back to French again and so on.
You know when the /lang/ thread is made by <i>that</i> flag that there will be a lack of productive or interesting dicussion.
>>221290056not rare in this thread he is basically jordie lite
>>221286660Who's the tard that made this?
>>221291563chat GPT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7HMHnkSTlcMen var har du varit sen vi sa hejdå?Om jag skickar mina tankar, lova att du hör dem då?
This talk about challenges in a recent thread made me wonder, is there any good site with Mandarin tests? I can theoretically just do whatever textbook wants me to do, but it's way harder to stick to it as a habit. >>221290136>We're too oldDefeatist talk
>>221292957I'm the resident demoralizer, and you'll always be a laowai....but if I drop the character, then learning Mandarin is based, you'll have 3/3 superpower languages when you learn it.
>>221288267Using latin based grammar for Japanese realy is like trying to shove a round peg into a square hole. No idea how it's for other non indo European languages but they could probably also benefit from adopting more native grammatical terms in learning materials.Anyone else writing poetry for fun in whatever language they're studying? Recently I've become obsessed with trying to write the perfect haiku about swedish spring. The rigid format of the traditional form makes it a fun challenge finding the right words to fit into to the lines while describing what I want to express.
>found the vtuber section in bilibilithis might be groundbreaking
I'm not sure whether to take Swedish or Norwegian. Swedish seems to have more good old movies, but a more difficult pitch accent and supposedly more difficult pronunciation (according to AI), while Norwegian is a hell of a dialect, but surprisingly, it seems to be more popular in Poland because I've seen more learning materials (or any).There's also German, but when learning a language, I read about the countries where it's spoken, I look at what people are saying online or what memes are popular, and I really struggle to avoid being prejudiced. I've written about this before here. So maybe some brak from German things will be good for me and Jordie doesn't learn the language anyway.French and Italian are also cool, but I am irritated by the situations in their countries and how some things are resolved and that they are no longer the same countries as in the 90s or 80s >>221290090Learn Italian. Easier than French, sexier and more classy than Spanish. If not Italian then French over Spanish (but Spanish is still ok, no hate)
>>221295914>JordieDon't let an autistic troll have influence over your language decision
>>221286660Was the ai slop pic really necessary? >flagNever mind, continue being a third worlder
>>221296782I have trouble staying consistent when learning languages, and since I like too many languages, I'm a perpetual dabbler, so I wanted to start learning with Jordanian anon. I also want to create as many opportunities as possible to use my target language, but to be honest, I don't even need English beyond the A2 level right now
我自己写的。内容完全真实,也可以当进阶级翻译教材。谢谢阅读一.一般很少在网络上看到西藏人但目前在抖音上经常能刷到西藏人诉苦。且都是关于藏马熊。藏马熊在西藏一年吃的人越来越多了。我也看过相关视频。大概是去年九月份被熊吃掉的一个藏族女孩。现场很惨烈,死者只剩上半身了。可见藏马熊对西藏的影响已经挺大的了。但藏马熊是国家级保护动物。且中国上次大规模猎杀肉食动物是在文革时期对内蒙及新疆的狼,和南方的华南虎。几次行动让狼差点灭绝,华南虎近乎绝迹。不知道政府这次会选择忽视藏人的诉求还是会发动新的猎熊行动。二.直到2015年,中国还是很混乱的。我出生于1991年,我不夸张的说,90年代的中国县城就是超大号的精神病院。首先就是枪支泛滥。路上随便两个人看对眼就会打一架。大量下岗员工,持械退役兵加入黑社会且黑社会普遍有政府官员做保护伞。贩毒吸毒,卖淫者极其普遍。大城市也毫不乐观,广州在十多年前都是默认夜晚不能出门的。很多南下的外地人在工厂工作,一到发薪日,出了厂区就被抢劫,更有甚者被杀。商店有大量黑社会征收保护费,不给就砸店,警察什么也不管。以至于路上看到死人是很正常的。一个人的心理问题是教育的原因,一代人的心理问题是宣传的原因,但当时代的变化和痛苦超过了群体不可承受的阈值,随即整个国家都心理结构都随之改变。
>>221293331I'm not advocating for using Latin grammar on Japanese though, that meme didn't work for English and it lead to nonsense prescriptivism like "no split infinitives" which had no basis in actual English grammar, what I am arguing for is actually explaining Japanese grammar because it actually exists and is used by native Japanese resources all the time, Japanese isn't some mysterious black-box with indescribable rules, no language is. I used Latin as an example because any other language textbook giving the vague non-explanation that some Japanese resources give is would be ridiculed and not taken seriously.
>>221297337>so I wanted to start learning with Jordanian anonThe problem is that he doesn't learn. At least not publicly.If he is really a language learner, he's doing it in secret.
>Asked GPT to help me ask for>ChatGPT says that IA non potest te salvare. noli dare facultatem attentionis aut facultatem cogitationis tuae automato.
>>221297366>阈值唯一的生词。我听过几个新疆的九零后说这年代的情况,实在太惨了。很多新疆的小孩被人抓了卖给内地人当仆人或妻子。此外因为生育计划很多新疆汉族抛弃女儿,可以养两个孩子的维吾尔族不得不认养。卖淫者现在少了吗?她们的卡片和广告无处不在,感觉就是躲起来了没有完全消失。贩毒的其实大城市还有些,尤其是北京上海非洲人卖大麻。我在国内非常非常少闻到大麻,每次闻到都在北京。我之前也看过东北老虎吃掉村民的视频,有点可怕但真是活该。村民明明知道外面有老虎他还出来用杆儿戳它。我觉得可以参考美国加拿大防止游客被大熊吃掉的方法,好像挺有效又不包括猎杀。熊在普通情况下不会特意来猎人,可能是因为有其他人乱丢垃圾啥的吸引熊过来,不怕人,然后开始吃。
Learning French because I am Bvrgvndiananyone else /larp/?
>>221297591You completely misunderstood my post. The point being that adapting grammatical terms form non indo European languages when teaching them would be beneficial as you're not trying to map them on concepts which often don't match 1 to 1. >>221298409Tbh reading a book on burgundian history last year is what finally pushed me into studying french
>>221298372阈值大概可以翻译为Threshold.新疆的事你搜下白宝山就知道了。有非常多持械杀人案件。新疆算是上世纪的流放地。不过上世纪新疆穆斯林没那么泛滥,是911前后泛滥的。至于处理方式和前因后果我倒是知道点内幕消息,不过就不在这聊了。另外你说那个维吾尔小孩给当仆人和妻子的。妻子我估计有(全国都有),仆人应该是没有的或者个例。卖淫者少了挺多。以前是像荷兰那样直接公开的,比如东莞市政府是把卖淫当做一个产业来做的,现在隐晦很多。吸毒,以前的和现在的不一样,大麻这种小毒不怎么管。以前吸海洛因,冰毒什么的巨多。光是广州就有一大堆以村为单位的武装制毒基地。一开始是也是不咋管的。东北虎吃人很少了。因为东北虎上世纪猎杀过一次。直接干到功能性灭绝。现存的东北虎是俄罗斯跑过来的。藏马熊才是真的泛滥,因为吸取之前的教训,对待藏马熊是很保护的。但本来西藏就无人区巨多,搞的现在藏马熊有点泛滥了,经常去人类生活区吃人。什么原因不知道。反正去年西藏给吃了几十个了。我视频都看了很多个了。另外藏马熊是很聪明的动物,会装做人。站着,在大雾天戴个牛粪装帽子,在路边朝车辆挥手。车停了就吃人。说句题外话,想想看,中国这么多监控算是有理由的,纯粹应激反应了,之前的暴力犯罪实在太多太多。另外推荐你一部关于那个时期的好电影:盲井
>>221298758Good. C2 French or you are not European.
>>221297921Tbf I was wondering why I could not remember the days of the week in Bulgarian for some reason. And Gemini actually told me how they are different from english ones based on that they have basically names for their position on the week using Sunday (the not-work day )as a starting point, then it clicked instantly. So it helped me understand a bit better how to interpret the language
>>221298864>frogs stealing land againTypical.
>>221299344you, someone who's already learning the language and know what information you do and don't need from the llms, are not remotely even in the same universe as the base spittle slicking retards prompting "what languages should i learn" over and over again. it's a useful tool for when you've gotten enough confidence to not be duped by potential hallucinations.
pedeset deveti za slavenskogi jeziki
I’m starting to understand the gist of native content (with subtitles). Feels good. Now do I just watch thousands of hours of content and just look up words I don’t know? Is that all it really is?
