>What language(s) are you learning?>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Do not reply to the Jordanian!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold>Non-English piracy siteshttps://fmhy.net/non-englishPrevious Thread: >>223292092
>>223372433>we have the community for your interests, >but first you must kneel to trannyWhy is discord like this?
>>223372578Perfect opportunity to practice saving western civilization with your superior internet debate skills in your TL
>learning a completely pointless foreign language for no reason
>>223372716So why are you so hellbent on defending trannies? You a tranny? You think you're a woman?
>>223372448Idk nigga vietnamese has that effect on me too. I don’t like the sound. Sorry if that upsets you or something. Are you by chance asian?
>>223372578Because the non gay guys with credentials don’t found their own communities. The right wing tendency is to be smugly aloof and then to complain in private. You can only really find openly non troon latinists/greekcels in catholic spaces for example, and even that’s only an incidental effect of it being a religious space.
>>223373000I don't think that's true outside the confines of your imagination. The reality is trannies get into power positions on websites and enforce fealty to mentally retarded woke beliefs as a prerequisite for particioating in unrelated apolitical hobbies. I think if you murdered discord you'd see a lot of communities without trannies in all the moderator positions
>>223373061Nothing you actually argued is at odds with what I said. Lefties aggressively go for moderator spots and community organizing and are much more overtly willing to use that power to reinforce their ideology at the expense of the actual stated pursuit of the space while right wingers are less likely to be as driven in getting moderator roles, starting servers, banning people for ideological reasons, etc.
>>223372578it's bad, really. on the other hand, if you derive pleasure and satisfaction from seeing homosexuals and other misanthropes, including the functionally illiterate still be failures in latin then you're in luck. the greek channels are gayer i'm sure just by nature. being distant and not responding to the first degeneracy you see, or at all is the only way to exist in these despotic troondoms
>>223372800>Kulturkriegenpolitik interessiert dich nicht>das bedeutet dass du die Trannys verteidigst!Na gut
>>223372578Normal people don't have the time, desire or ability to moderate dc servers
>>223373240All I recall of lurking it to grab resources was intermediates and beginners shooting the shit and dudes with 6 million roles and a degree coming in every once in a while to not contribute but just to correct people or complain that someone was homophobic. Lot of Christians on there, especially open Catholics, and it was like there was a regular inquisition every once in a while because one of these idiots would realize Catholic means they don’t support sodomy.
>>223373875Yes, in the Catholic spaces that have actual latinists none of them have any staff roles, but they’re mixed in with dudes with pretentious latin bios that don’t know any Latin at all. I don’t post at all in hardly any latin space except /clg/ and /lang/ for this reason. Because the space isn’t about the language, it’s about giving some nutjob a way to feel powerful and make friends online.
>>223373240>>223373880>>223373927stop whining
>>223372578what happened to the /lang/ discord?
>>223374231Invite only + it's dead as fuck
>>223374231>>2233743094chan discords are inherently doomed because the structure of discord is so alien to the site’s culture. Like, how can you have a chan site that’s invite only lmao.>>223374200I’m really just stating why I prefer 4chan to other sites. The discussion is largely more on-topic instead of circlejerk.
>>223372433AIslop apocalypse aside, LLMs really are a divine gift for language learning imo. If you wanna start practicing output but are a social hermit/don't have access to speakers in your area, then AI genuinely is your "friend". I mean, it's quite literally called a Language Learning Module lmao. Just journal with Claude or whatever and ask it to correct your mistakes, it's really some Harry Potter magical textbook type shit.
c1 Spanish (yes I have a cert) with an abysmal accent. What do.
>>223377234uhh profit
>>223375561The problem with ai as a learner, is that you have no clue when it's just making shit up.
>>223375561>it's quite literally called a Language Learning ModuleNo it's not
searched "polyglot" on youtube and these 2 came up
>>223379772
how hard is it to learn Classical Chinese?
>>223378692Well, for the most part, it might make up facts if you try to research, but it at least will do it in correct English.
>>223379962Not very difficult if you already speak ChineseVery difficult if you don't
Actual shocking the natives vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD5E6JITjj0. Random Swedish security guard speaking Arabic (Sweden Yes is free). Has a Syrian wife, apparently.
I think Latin is an okay sounding language. I wouldn't call it beautiful, at least it doesn't have many of the features that really make a language ugly. The nasal -em, -um, -am sounds at the end of words are slightly nasalized, so this gives it a slightly proto-French ugly factor, but it's not that bad. It doesn't have the gn sound like Italian has which breaks the flow of the language and only has [ŋ.n] instead, like in the English word hangnail.https://youtu.be/CmDfdnktMcI&t=54I think ScorpioMartianus has by far the best pronunciation of Latin of any English speaker I've heard.
Will I please get fluent now? Please???
>>223379825My hover craft is full of eels makes more sense than this anon.
>need to subtitle alignment and proofreading for 30 more chapters of assimil>these ones are the hardest>then i have to learn all this shiti will be so happy once this is done and i can just goon a frequency deck and other mining cards.
>>223380769It helps that he was fluent in Italian when he started Latin so he pays a ton of attention to prosody.
>>223381013That's not very helpful.
>>223381013I've been reading Tae Kim and Yotsuba. I'm really just speed reading TK and making baby retard sentences throughout the day, like how I started out with Portuguese. Is there another source for sentence structure/grammar you recommend I add? Or anything fundamentally erroneous with my approach?
>>223373061Tranny Tyranny
>>223381451Similar grammar guide called sakubi if you look it up that’s worth a second pass on grammar. Based on Tae Kim.
>>223379825disclaimer to anyone ITT Yuo're a pussy if you point and laugh without posting your own translation of the OG prompt
>>223381451There's nothing wrong with it, it's just that the difference between languages is so vast that saying even basic shit is impossible without knowing how to say it unlike with Indo European languages where so much of it carries over that you can go by gut feeling and mostly get it right. If you want to add anything do some grammar exercises in a text book with an answer key, but with enough exposure it should simply come to you naturally eventually.>>223381770Sure why not.雷に当てられた木は後で病院で亡くなった男性に倒れられた
>>223381770I'm not allowed to output yet
>>223381469TyrRANNY.
>>223382799木は雷で打たれると男の上にに倒れさせた、本人は後で病院に亡くなりましたis the version i composed, using a participial construction to translate the relative clause doesn't work in this case because it would end up putting the consequence before the cause which sounds as weird in japanese as it would in english (at least i assume), so i had to split it off into its own separate clause, i'm not sure about の上 but i feel like without it it would sound like the tree fell into the man not onto. inb4 some 10 year deep davido btfos me or something >>223383080do not end up like the thread op pic
>>223384355
>>223381770Frick off dude>Fulgur arborem pulsavit, et ea in virum, qui postea in valetudinario mortuus est, ruit.
>>223372433Learning a language is too hard. Can't I just like watch anime until I understand it without studying japanese at all? I know the word baka.
>>223373061This. They just infiltrate places and turn them gay and political. This is the repeating story of every internet space. The only places this doesn’t happen in are places that start out explicitly right wing, but that limits their reach and are usually in reaction to politicizing what was formerly an apolitical space.
>>223374200mea culpa, amice lithuanice
>>223385220No dubs, no subs, 20 years. GL.
>>223385291I wouldn't engage with off topic conversations like these usually but I utterly despise regular internet spaces being shifted into a pro-lgbt space for no reason at all. Ruined a lot of good shitpost communities too like r/chessanarchy. Spamming "trans rights matter" completely off topic is somehow allowed just because people would get upset that they removed it. Culture war has always been a smoke screen for real politics but reddit moderators by god help gut any potential of discussion by propping up their communities to be plastered by lgbt and trans shit for no reason.I'm not even transphobic or homophobic. I just think it's blown out of proporation. Sometimes I overthink and the "go woke, go broke" thing was to actual encourage hatred against the lgbt by being so obtuse and hamfisted with it.
>>223385427if you really have to be in a community full of ideologues like this then the safest course of action would be to ignore them, block them and completely not engage in hopes that you don't get randomly ideology purity tested and booted outthe filter feature on 4chan is actually one of the best features on a site could have imo because you can minimise the amount of nonsense that you see, shame that other sites/platforms don't implement something like it (almost like they deliberately allow and promote behaviour like this because rage keeps people on their platform)
Newfag here.On the Russian page of the Language Learning Wiki, whoever wrote it recommended a course by the Pushkin Institute, the issue is that all of the links in the article to download the course are dead, and the other resouces for the Pushkin Institute courses that appear on Google are all in Russian and also paid. Can one of you hoarders link to me a Mega folder or another website that has the course for free? Or just tell me if i can get it on Rutracker or The Pirate bay. I don't mind getting recommended some alternative courses either, i've used Assimil for French and it was great. Does the Russian version have the same standards?
>learn Arabic>start singing those pop songs on my way to work >Now my vocal cords hurt
>>223381770雷は木を当てて後で病院で死んだ男に落ちた。This is what 600 hours of Japanese gets you
ゴロゴロピッシャーンでおっちゃんチーン desu :3
>>223388069The lightning struck the tree and it fell on a man who later died in the hospitalって日本語でなんですか?
yo tengo tres computadoras en mis pantalones
>>223388108puta de mierda
>>223388096>The lightningゴロゴロ>struck the tree(木に)ピッシャーンで>and it fell on a manおっちゃん>who later diedチーン>in the hospital(病院で)
>>223388108Bien, muéstranos.
>>223375561>AI is going to teach people wrong on purpose, as a joke, because they will believe whatever chatgpt saysGen alpha is utterly fucked
>>223373000>>223373240lol>>223373147see above mentioned posts
>>223388164それはでたらめらしい
>>223388288sorry for the mess.. m(_ _)m
>>223388316大丈夫よ日本人さんが大好きから
>>223388321うちら相思相愛やもんね! (*´･ω･)(･ω･｀*)ﾈｰ
>>223388221Ugh Lois venio!
>>223388108¡Que embarazado!
Interesting that as translation jobs die off so many translators turn to the social media grift instead of getting an actual job
What is the most /lang/ religion?
>>223389468agnosticismor some kind-of pluralistic polytheism
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>>223372433>output My TL will literally never come up in conversation ever nor will a quotation of it ever make sense
>>223393161I was going insane trying to understand these but it turns out they're just vocab listsAnyway Fuller > Rouzer哉
Hey guys never posted here before but I was wondering how you get back on the horse after a break/disruption?French learner consolidating B1 and starting to edge into B2 in some respects, was learning with a mix of Grammaire progressive du francais intermediaire, anki 5000 words, watching movies with french audio + subs, and calling my (fluent) mum on the phone for convos I had also started the first year of a French major and got placed in 3000-level so all the stuff from that as wellThen I checked out mentally maybe two or three months ago and dropped out of uni. I'm back home with my fluent parents for the time being and a bit more settled so I'd like to get back on. How would you guys recommend getting re-started? My friend who got fully cracked at Spanish said he did it largely with refold so any thoughts on that? Thankshttps://chriscorsano.bandcamp.com/album/flower-corsano-hejnowski-the-count-visits
Japanese?
What's your rebuttal to the concept that languages like Dutch, German, and any Scandinavian language are pointless to learn because everyone in those countries already knows English?
>he gave up on German already
>>223381770>The lightning struck the tree and it fell on a man who later died in the hospital.[la foudre] a frappé l'arbre et il est tombé sur un homme qui est mort plus tard dans l'hopitalOnly word I had to look up was lighting
>>223394059They're obviously vocab lists. Thanks for the inane contrarianism.
>>223395108It’s more fun LARPing as them if you know their language. EIN PROSIT, EIN PROST, DER GEMÜTLICHKEIT!EIN PROSIT, EIN PROSIT, DER GEMÜT-LICH-KEIT!I don’t drink, by the way.
>>223395108It becomes even more rewarding (than other languages) when you reach an impressive enough level that people don't switch to English for you anymore.
language learning without living in a country that speaks the language is cope, any random african retard immigrant is gonna have a better level than you simply because he atually lives there and will actually use the language
>>223389468Catholicism. Pope Leo can speak like 6 languages and can read a 7th.
>>223395624You'd be happier if you thought less about Africans
>>223379962you need someone to teach you the sounds.
>>223395108>GermansPeople overestimate their communication skills. They'll show you the way to the gas station or sell you something at the store, and that's it. Serious conversations are hard to come by. >>223395210No he didn't. It's some troll with VPN>>223396939Which ones?
>नया भाषा>लैटिन स्क्रिप्टनॉट गॉन्ना मेक इट
>>223397224>No he didn't. It's some troll with VPNDo you have proof?
Do you recommend some e-book / pdf readers like Lute but for Android? The ability to make quick flashcards in Anki and the ability to read simultaneously with an audiobook would be great
>>223398071Do you have proof otherwise? Besides, Jordie will never abandon his language, because it was the language that chose him. >>223394691VPN off impostor!
I'm Jordanon. I flew to America to visit my relatives so that's why my flag changed. I've dedicated all of my efforts to learning French, so I will now be leaving this board. I will stick to this task with due diligence. Thank you for understanding.
>>223397224>He speaks English, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, and French fluently. He also reads and understands Latin and German well, although he is still developing his conversational ability in both.https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/polyglot-popes-languages-spoken
>>223399046>although he is still developing his conversational ability in bothDoes this mean that Pope Leo is actively developing his conversational abilities in Latin, or is it just a way of saying that his abilities are... les than fully developed?
>>223399243Well his Latin prosody is good if you watch any of his speeches, so I’d imagine he just never had to use it much before. I saw when he would go to other countries like Turkey he would make an effort to learn some phrases so I think he is pretty active in improving his abilities. But spoken Latin at the Vatican has largely vanished for practical purposes so I doubt there’s much opportunity to practice.
>>223381770>The lightning struck the tree and it fell on a man who later died in the hospital.La foudre frappa l'arbre lequel tomba sur un homme qui mourut à l'hôpital plus tard.
>>223399046A role model
>read so Old Englisc text>encounter a new word>check it out in wiktionary>descendants:English>obsolete, dated, dialectalIt happens way more often than you might think
>>223402159Almost like our vocab got Normed. Still there’s no excuse for abandoning 19th century vocabulary. Even 18th century vocabulary should be easy for anyone that would claim to be well read.
I know this is a weird question but how do I develop a South African English accent?
>>223395108You'll never fully know those cultures without the languages, the amount of Literature that is never translated is actually immense. Also if you live there, for socialization it's a million times better to engage with them in their native language
>>223402469>Even 18th century vocabulary should be easy for anyone that would claim to be well read.If native English speakers can't understand the Declaration of Independence or any of those 1700s letters, then we are truly utterly fucked
>>223395108It depends on what you want out of the language, for business it's pointless because any company will have some rep who's English is on the level it would take you a decade to get to the point where using their language instead would be better. For tourism it's also kinda pointless since you would find someone able to find someone who can communicate in at least broken English in even rural out of the way places if you need something. For cultural interest or living in the country it's a completely different matter though.>>223402159Ingerlund got frogged even worse than got krauted so I'm not surprised. Half of old norse words or something like that aren't in use anymore because they got replaced with stuff from low german.
>>223403010>for business it's pointlessWellll, Some languages are (were?) profitable in Poland because corporations outsourced things to Poland, but this probably doesn't apply to the US
>>223402979It’s really frustrating. We’ve had a real Attic->Koine type shift that’s been accelerating since the 50s. I had an argument a while back with a friend who was an educator over whether you could realistically teach a small group, maybe 5, by reading the federalist papers over a semester, first intensively going through one at a time over a week each to acclimate them to the style and grammar and ideas, since the first 5 are introductory, and then going rapidly through the remainder mainly as a reading assignment at a pace of like 5 a week. It was like talking to a brick wall though, he seemed totally demoralized about the idea. For reference a single federalist paper is like 5 pages.I keep hearing “these kids just aren’t readers” as a blanket statement, as if some kids aren’t reading all the time, just online. The issue is a linguistic shift and a lack of volume with older texts, not some insurmountable inability to read.
Mr. X posted a new and rare video.https://youtu.be/xmsJo_lxQEI
>>223403012Wtf are those squiggles?! Write it properly in hanja so that I can understand!!!>>223404031I looked them up and read the first two. They're clearly written in modern English and while there is indeed a stylistic difference from contemporary works any moderately educated native speaker should be capable of comprehending them. I'm not entirely convinced that it's necessarily a lack of exposure to older texts (with the exception to the odd word which isn't widely used anymore) it could simply be I think, inexperience with reading argumentative texts written with longer more complex sentence structures comparing and contrasting matters. After all it's not like a university educated American would struggle with these right?
>>223372433it's crazy, I'm officially B1 in Spanish and had good grades in school. 4 years later I'm barely A1. You truly forget everything without exposure or practice.
>>223395108not true for germany. 10-20% can hold a conversation at best. hardly anyone outside the cities
>>223395624And yet every ESL in this thread learned English without stepping foot into England.>>223394311>mix of Grammaire progressive du francais intermediaire, anki 5000 words, watching movies with french audio + subs, and calling my (fluent) mum on the phone for convosSounds good, just continue with that. Maybe add some reading, like graded readers or easier literature like The Stranger.>>223395108My rebuttal:>You're right, it's pointless. But this knife isn't!Then I proceed to stab them over a 100 times while laughing like Joker.>>223398103I'm not aware of any free readers, just LingQ, Migaku, and other paid ones. If you're doing Japanese, there's a ton of open-source ones like jidoujisho tho.My reading setup on my tablet is just Lithium Reader + Google Translate for the occasional lookup, which works well enough for extensive reading.
>>223405131I was b2 and got an A in my university Spanish examThen I didn't study it at all for four years, now I can probably still read it ok but speaking and writing are A1
>>223373927>Because the space isn’t about the language, it’s about giving some nutjob a way to feel powerful and make friends online.Applies to every single internet space with a non-anonymous userbase
>>223405323German. And maybeee Spanish, French, Portuguese, Japanese. I was supposed to decide on an additional language, but decision-making paralysis left me with only German.
>>223395279>Dans l'hôpitalC'est plutôt "à l'hôpital". Les gens te comprendrons sans problème si tu utilises "dans" mais c'est faux.Sinon très bien.
>>223372578Kneel to a gypsyjeet troon LOL
>>223372730Usso taunta
>>223404031I don't find old English works difficult to read until the 1400s (like Le Morte Darthur). I really like the way old English books read, they seem much more flowery than most English prose today.I think Lithuanian generally feels more flowery to read, since it does have many features antiquated in other languages.>>223405323>And yet every ESL in this thread learned English without stepping foot into England.I basically never talk in English with anyone in person.
>>223404965>After all it's not like a university educated American would struggle with these right?If only you knew how bad it really is.
>>223405833Excellent choice. There is no need for an additional language, German is plenty to fill a man's heart.
>>223406275Neither do I, but it’s because I read growing up and never stopped. That’s precisely why the conversations I have with teachers are so annoying. It’s like they think the solution to deficits in pupils created from low expectations is to just continue to exacerbate the problem. They absolutely can read but people just don’t make them do it and the curriculum in some districts outright doesn’t even include reading books cover to cover anymore.The big thing is the lack of stamina, which is only required with volume. Columbia, which has the highest SAT scores in America, is struggling to actually carry out its great books curriculum anymore because so few of the students read the assigned texts.
>>223407011Dude, I didn't read like 60% if not more of all the works we had to read in school. Most (90% or so) were works by Lithuanian authors which were rarely good. They had to salvage the best out of a relatively small corpus (compared to the rest of world literature) which were still rarely good. Only in my teenage years did I start to really read on my own when I realized that not all the books in the world are so boring.The 'analysis' we had to do for books was pointless and frankly damaging. Imagine reading the equivalent of Joyce's Ulysses as a 16 year old, then being ordered to analyze it. I think shit like this instills the idea of literature being about irrelevant nonsense and analysis. How can you even analyze a book as a 16 year old who really doesn't know anything?
>>223407608Kada paskutinį sykį teko skaityt ką nors iš mokykloje privalomos (lietuvių) literatūros? Pats iš patirties galiu teigti, kad buvo knygų, kurios nepatiko, buvo nuobodžios ar kurių tiesiog neskaičiau, o kai daug vėliau iš naujo (ar pirmą sykį) jas perskaičiau, buvo visai ir nieko (aišku, čia galioja ne visoms).
>>223404965>After all it's not like a university educated American would struggle with these right?They were mandatory readings in my 101. PoliSci/Philosophy/History courses at a Liberal Arts College and I'm fairly certain everyone understood them, but then again Liberal Arts Colleges tend to attract a crowd who enjoy reading books/Wattpad kids so the overall reading ability is typically better than at say, Arizona State or some shit
>>223407608I think this is just a universal problem desu. Practically nobody in Brazil reads Machado de Assis, despite him being our great world renown author, because school does such a god awful job at teaching literature that it kills the "mood" so to speak.
>>223408616Sunku pasakyti, nes ne visus kūrinius, kuriuos reikėjo perskaityti, prisimenu dabar, gali būti kad, kai kurią klasiką jau kažkada anksčiau skaičiau. Man labiau patiko lietuvių realistai, tai juos ir kažkada, kai rasiu noro, perskaitysiu tarp kitų kūrinių.Tai ką rašiau dėl šešiolikamečių, rašančių interpretacijas kūrinių tikriausiai galioja patiems kūriniams, tai nenustebčiau, jei koks nors autorius, kuris man nepatiko mokykloje, dabar patiktų. Turiu omenyje tai, kad reikia būti vyresniu ir aplamai labiau išsilavinusiu kai kuriems kūriniams suprasti, mano nuomone.
>>223379962>how hard is it to learn Classical Chinese?Hard to say since I'm a learner of Putonghua which is a living language. I guess the major obstacles would be memorizing characters. Anyhow, there is a general /clg/ on /lit/ >>>/lit/25423360 dedicated to classical languages (from Latin to Sumerian), guys there compiled a chart that may be helpful to you.>>223397214>you need someone to teach you the sounds.Which sounds? Classical Chinese is a written language, and if its characters are vocalized, it's done usually with the pronunciation of some living language.>>223387642I'm more of an Arabic Christian hymns fan like قد امسكت المسبحةhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGkDnGiU4pUor في ظل حمياتكhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuaxni79iFw
>>223372716Egy rossz szót szólsz és kibasznak mint macskát szarni
>>223373000>The right wing tendency is to be smugly aloof and then to complain in private.Truke, they all impotently mald in places like this, are usually a de facto majority, and yet can't organize anything (which they will claim is because of subversion, which they somehow fail to stop 100% of the time).They are sore winners that cannot do anything without claiming perpetual victimhood.
>>223405323people here consume more English than their native language and you are taught as a kid in school when learning languages is super easy
>tfw I used Worte instead of Wörter correctly without even thinking about it
if you are an angloid or from angloid origin, how the FUCK did you learn to roll your Rs? i can manage an alveolar tap ok but cannot reliably trill, especially if it is at the start of a word.pls respond
>>223406944>There is no need for an additional languageMaybe, but I have a rule that I learn two languages and stick with one of them no matter what, while I can dabble in the other slot>>223411191First, you need to improve your Ds and Ts and tap them right behind your teeth. Anglophones kind of swallow those sounds. Then start to do it with Rs.
>>223411191The method in this video seems good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sid6MQvTRQ
>>223411191I have spent a lot of time trying to roll my r's out of interest. Several times I have tried going through those guides that teach you to roll your r's without any luck. So I really don't know.Very recently I was watching a video with someone speaking with a french accent and absent mindedly copied a word they said and surprised myself with being able to replicate their french r. When I tried to do it immediately again I failed. So I have just kept on practising that uvular rolled r. Half the time when I try to do it I get that dutch g sound, but that is more consistent than when I started practising.
>>223409583Mandarin or Cantonese pronunciation for Literary Chinese in your mind's voice, which one are we using gang
It's fine not to roll your r's.
>>223409979Magyartesó! What are your learning resources?>>223412317>>223413190To first do the alveolar trill, you must do the alveolar tap, which is just one oscillation of the tongue - so, it’s much easier. To do it, you must pull down on the middle of your tongue and at the same time push the tip of your tongue to the top of your mouth (specifically the alveolar ridge; just before your teeth) and then blow air over it the same way you would for a conventional English R.
https://voca.ro/1alQugQNRJtd
>>223415395>>223414393
>>223407608I truly think the most valuable time in elementary school was the daily silent reading period, and kids kind of get abandoned if they aren’t a capable reader by the end of 5th grade, since after that reading was all excerpt-based. If you didn’t keep a personal reading habit from elementary school you simply were disadvantaged forever, and if you didn’t enjoy reading steadily harder texts you stagnated at whatever level you were at by age 10 (which is where chicks who read YA fiction and romantasy come from; they like reading, but only at a middle school level).The real solution is just more open snobbery and disadvantaging the illiterate, because people tend to outdo themselves when high expectations are set. Instead you get stuff like ESL kids in my town graduating high school with a B in English who can’t read Dr. Seuss (or even read their native language well). That guy in particular was intelligent and improved quickly with remedial work, but had he not taken the initiative to get help he would’ve been screwed for life.
This isn’t to mention the insanity of whole language learning districts which got rid of all extensive reading (excerpts only from K-12) don’t teach phonics, and instead try to make kids just outright memorize the shape of words before teaching them the alphabet. That’s where the outliers come from that have elite SAT scores and also can’t read extensively.
>>223412711>worse than ancient Greek in Greece>also worse than ancient Greek in GreeceZhengzhang or Baxter&Sagart is the real question
>>223409583筆談 mentioned! It's such an interesting concept. Though he clearly must be overstating how much classical Chinese the average modern day school child knowns. If your typical korean only seems to know a few basic hanja how would they even study classical chinese in any meaningful manner.>>223412711If I ever got around to it then managled Japanese readings since I'm already familiar with those from thousands of hours of reading. Though I guess several thousand new characters would be necessary to learn as well to read anything more serious i.e interesting.
>>223416211The question wasn't about Greek, it was about Chinese characters, saar. >>223416675I thought about learning them with Korean pronunciations because it might make learning Korean more fun afterwards. I guess it should just be for whatever former-sinosphere language you're learning or know concurrently.
>>223415402Sounds like you got it. I found when I first started rolling in Spanish (I could already do it), it was easier to do a longer one than a shorter one, but that takes practice.
>>223404384>if you speak one language, you're a wasteBASED
>>223417597By shorter, I mean the usual duration a native speaker takes.
>>223416942Makes sense if your serious about Korean I guess. But the opposite order is probably a lot easier since I'm guessing you won't find a lot of resources based on Korean character readings unless you already know Korean.
>>223380150I would be concerned that it's going to hallucinate grammar corrections
>>223419349It's actually quite scary how much better it is now compared to 2023. I remember back then I tried to get it to explain and correct some sentences in Manchu and Uyghur but everything was hallucinated. Now you can ask Claude and it's 95% accurate.
>>223419524what's the 5% it doesn't get right?
German speakers, what is the difference between>Ich freue mich über...and>Ich erfreue mich an...Is it just formality? Would "freuen sich über" be translated like "be happy about" and "erfreuen sich an" be translated as "take pleasure in"?
German done for today. Which language should I dabble in to supplement my German learning? French, Spanish, or Japanese? >>223422119As I understood the second is more the literary language or more official speech. But that's something the AI has told me
>>223422801NEDERLANDS
>>223422068technically kélidu should be transliterated as këlidu
>>223422914Don't tempt me, devil. I have a special place in my heart for the Netherlands (I've never been there). But I'll get it confused with German, I've already tested it
>>223423015kat = Katzevriend = Freundappel = Apfelvery difficult language Dutch... imagine how easily you can reach A2
>>223423123Stoph it!!! I've already learned Dutch for some time, the pronunciation is a bit demanding and there's a bit of a lack of content to consume (a little less than for Swedish, because there are a lot of great Swedish films, but more than for Norwegian) but overall I like it
>>223423248no content at all...
>>223423397I meant compared to big languages. I'm not saying there's no content at all. We'll see when I improve my German (or if I drop everything and go to the Netherlands to work, which is sometimes tempting), I'm already determined.
>>223423536what about Polish how is that
>>223423701There is some content, some of it is iconic in a pop culture sense for certain generations. 16th century poetry woth Kochanowski and Mikołaj Rej (Polish Calvinist btw). Later Krasicki, Mickiewicz, Kochanowski - our bards of the Romanticism. This is the period of partition, and there's a lot of patriotic literature. If you want less messianism, try Norwid. Then Prus (Lalka), Sienkiewicz (Trilogy, Quo Vadis), Żeromski (Ludzie Bezdomni), Gombrowicz (Ferdydurke), Schulz (Sklepy Cynamonowe), Witkacy. I'm not a fan of WW2 literature so idk, maybe Miłosz. Contemporary fantasy is probably Lem (Solaris), Sapkowski (The Witcher Saga), Zajdel (Cylinder van Troffa, Wyjście z Cienia, Limes Inferior). I really don't like Tokarczuk. When it comes to cinema, it's comedies from the communist era making fun from those period and great historical dramas. The most famous directors: Andrzej Wajda, Stanisław Bareja and Krzysztof Kieślowski. After the political transformation, there was a slight decline in cinematography imo, with a few gems like cult comedies and comedy-dramas (I really like Dzień Świra, captures the spirit of that period and its frustration perfectly). There are also many parodies of reality in the post-modernist style, such as Kapitan Bomba and other works by Walaszek (he makes the Polish South Park like series). And there's game dev ofc. In general, we produce a lot of drama and we like heavy topics
>>223424219Paweł Pawlikowski's Ida and Cold war are kino too
>>223424219will Polish people do backflips if I speak Polish?will Slavs respect me (including Bulgarians)?can i read Czechoslovak if i maxx it?
>>223424356Yeah, good movies. As I said, we like heavy topics>>223424875If you are a Slav then no, if you are of another nationality then no, but you will get some recognition. Slovak is easier for us to understand, Czech is kind of easy but at the same time we share ridiculous amount of funny false friends. Both languages are for us like Dutch "Hitler is dood, wat nou" for the English speakers
>>223425259why wont you do backflips if I speak Polish?
>>223425348Idk. It's a hard language for non-slavic speakers but there's no point of learning it and easy for Slavic speakers so there's no point of being impressed. But it's not like we're cold for Polish learners, we honestly appreciate them
>>223425939i am white and dutch tho not a slav
>>223425991Oh, I realized earlier that you're Bulgarian, idk why. Nevertheless, we'll still be in general nice and helpful, we'll appreciate your efforts, we'll try to speak Polish as much as possible, give you feedback or recommendations, but there won't be a reaction like in those videos with foreigners in China.
>>223426156i want backflips wtf
>>223414393I have severe ankyloglossia. My tongue is shaped like a 3.
humbled by Shakespeare, though the only real issue is vocabulary
>>223426591Low chances, sorry
>>223427341Shakespeare is hard for native English speakers too. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or delusional.
>>223427644my nigga Shakespeare is one of my favorite English writers, so it's worth struggling with him for me at least
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>>223409583Okay I couldn't help myself I bought Rouzer's New Practical Primer of Literary Chinese. No idea what decade I'll have the time for it, but it looks interesting. Reading should be a lot easier to get into thanks to Japanese literacy, and since there is no speaking that cuts out what I imagine would be the most difficult part of Chinese, learning to understand it when spoken. >>223427776What like not at all? Grammar exercises is a good place to start though, it really helps to solidify sentence patterns in your brain.
Imagine unironically believing Polish is a 'big language' when it comes to cultural output compared to Dutch. Only a Pole got believe this.
Chinese language tier listS: MandarinA: Cantonese, MinB: WuC: Hakka, GanD: Xiang, Ping, Jin, Hui
>>223432345Middle China is the only place Mandarin is neutral enough to sound good. Northeast and Beijing sound like retards with golfballs in their cheeks, southerners sound like snakes because they can't pronounce shhhh sounds right.
>>223427776Inpoot more, you're only 2 years in, it's too early.
>>223427776ALGzillian? Is that you?
>>223432523how is taiwan accent? I'm learning mandarin for taiwan but I have no idea how they sound compared to other accents
>>223433487Mainlanders think it sounds cute I think it sometimes sounds a bit annoying and similar to Japanese/Korean intonationThey say 诶 a lot
first one is "perro"** and the second is "srediti". i didnt even attempt "srce".r8 h8 instag8 appreciate. im not sure if the first one is understandable, but i cannot for the life of me get a rolling in certain consonant clusters like "sr"https://vocaroo.com/11Rx8WbrfUPZ>>223411859>>223411890i like this video and will be working on this, thanks.>>223412317**i dont speak spanish, just picked this as its a common double r word
>>223431436Dutch people don't even speak Dutch anymore. Gen Z Dutchies speak English among themselves.
They refuse to release any music in Dutch language because they believe their language to be awfully ugly.
How can the Netherlands have cultural output when they believe their language is actually too cringe to output in any form?
if i had to pick between learning dutch and polish i'd kill myself
>>223435811If I had to pick between being an Estonian or a Latvian, I'd choose Latvian.
>>223431436total sitzpinkler death. kill sitzpinkers. behead sitzpinklers. liquidify sitzpinklers in a vat of acid.
>>223435830you should learn it to a B1 level, move to Riga and then start a tiktok/youtube lifestyle channel about living in latvia and how its woahmazing and so culture shock
>>223435811>pick between learning dutch and polishObviously Dutch. The Netherlands have a glorious history, and the language is very cool sounding.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_2auYMS-VM
Learning Ukrainian right now.Helped me realizing how much it helps to have an alphabet somewhat designed for that languageШ is one letter in Ukrainian, would be three in German (Sch)Х is ch in German, but only in some words / depending on regional dialectI want a true German alphabet now!
>>223435922Unironically there is a bunch of accommodation for Canadians to learn Latvian because of our military base there. The Latvian diaspora organizations often host in-person classes for free.
>>223435577>>223435850Half of the TV show formats you see on TV were invented by Dutch production companies. Entire modern music genres were invented by the Dutch. Some of the most foundational texts in international law and politics were written in Dutch. When it comes to global pop culture the Netherlands is punching way above their weight and your ignorance on this topic just exposes you as a crétin. What is the cultural contribution of Poland to post-medieval and modern culture apart from a novel whining about Russia every 50 years?
>>223436411And I am not even really including intellectual and high culture here such as notable Dutch painters everyone knows. Dutch soft power is 100 times bigger than that of Poland and this isn't even an exaggeration.
damn pewdiepies son can speak now hes gonna be a polyglot is there anything yall wanna say to him?
>>223436498Stay away from island-pajeets that obsess over the children of ecelebs.
>>223436411>Entire modern music genres were invented by the Dutch.*by Belgians.And they did it in English anyway. Or French.
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>>223436554Can you provide any evidence that Poland is globally a more influential cultural force than the Netherlands?
>>223436636I just can't let that one go, man. You mean genre pioneer bands like Front 242 and the Names. They're Belgian... they're not even Flemish, they're fucking Walloons.
>>223436587what do i have to do to end up on this list
>>223436670meme post
>>223436636Name one (1) Dutch video game
>>223436670your deportation is pending
>>223436709you're going down with me
>>223436661The Dutch made plenty of contributions to new musical genres such as Harstyle and house, as well as entire art styles and even literature. What were the Polish contributions to those fields?
>hardstyle>house
>>223436766Why are you not engaging with the argument? I am not a fan of certain products yet I am able to recognize the fact that they are important and influential. Are you a woman or something? Because thinking something is not important because you personally do not like it is a very feminine way of thinking.
>>223436804The world is literally worse off for having house music.
>>223436696The Netherlands have a mature video game and animation studio industry. There are plenty of game exports.
>>223436808>Leaf>Abhorrent post
>>223436808Ok, I am accepting your concession. Don't come back to /lang/ with your low quality shit posts 'I don't like X music genre' is not a valid response during a discussion on the magnitude of influence of cultural products.
honestly I think I may be pretty decent at Latin when I reach one year total of studying, more than good enough to start German
>>223436817Name one (1).
>>223436848House is an important example of how not to compose music.
>>223436930A good example is the famous Moorhuhn/Crazy Chicken IP that was developed by a Dutch gaming studio during a time when there wasn't even a single computer in Poland.
>>223435980ukranian alphabet is just cyrillic alphabet. the truth is that cyrillic alphabet was designed specially for slavic languages. thanks to bulgarians.
>>223437008why do germans love the dutch and hate the poles
>>223437108Why are Belgians unable to engage with the content of a post or substance of an argument without appealing to prejudice?
>>223385220I don't know Japanese, and have no intention to learn it, but at almost 2 decades of watching weeb shit, I can watch RAWS with no subs and basically understand what is happening in an episode of whatever the fuck purely based on actions and the few words I know.
>>223431436Do I?>>223435608Which isn't true. It kind of sounds like German should
>>223437008Never heard of it. The Polish video game industry is much stronger and more relevant with widely known games such as the Witcher, Cyberpunk, SUPERHOT, Dying Light."Peasant" fiction (Rowdziewiczówna). Poland was one of the first large contributors to sci-fi literature (Lem). Currently, Poland has innovated in digital ebook fiction.Interwar street and post-street. Jarocin era music. Red Culture basically invented music piracy. Outside of France, Poland contributed the most to the cold wave genre.You can't forget painters like Beksiński and Matejko.Polish cuisine has much more reach. Can you name a single savoury dish from the Netherlands that is popular on other continents?Polish series on Netflix seem to be doing better than Dutch series in terms of international viewership. Does the Netherlands have something as innovative as the series 1670?Polish heraldry was widely borrowed from, most blatantly in Sweden's national coat of arms. As such, it has had an influence on the modern portrayal of renaissance monarchies in fiction.Polish dog breeds, like Pomeranians, are much more well-known than Dutch dog breeds.Polish car models are more well-known than Dutch cars and they stopped making them 20 years ago.Even Polish footballers are more well-known than Dutch footballers. The only Dutch athlete I know of is some ex-convicted child rapist who was controversial in the Olympics.Polish inventions/discoveries such as kerosene, q-tips, paperclips, modern makeup, vitamin B12 (and the word/concept of vitamins), heliocentrism, radioactivity, elements of the periodic table (Dutch people have found none (0)). We can argue all day about who has more things, but one thing is clear. Poland has *better* things.>>223437108Germanic bias >>223437640I mean, I don't disagree. I just find it kind of sad how they treat their own language. They care more about it than foreigners do, if Eurovision is any indication.
>>223437008Computers would not be possible without the Czochralski method.
In addition to cultural output of each culture, shouldn't we consider localization of foreign media? Skyrim has a Polish translation. I can input by playing games and consuming media I'm already familiar with. The only thing translated to Dutch is Minecraft.
>>223438106Mary curie was also polished and then naturalized as a french citizen later on as a prominent figure in poland.Also unrelated but I can't stand dutch. It just makes me laugh so hard. It's like a satirization of english and I can't help but choke on my own laughter if I endure hearing it long enough.
>>223438238I think they could make Dutch work really well if they had a good sense of style and sound (they do not). House music is disgusting in and of itself. It won't sound good in any language.
>>223438277Holy fuck what is your obsession about hating house music. Their language is kinda a joke unfortunately. I've seen someone do a test that they rearranged the word order of dutch into english and it was practically english with a funny accent.
>>223438324House is incredibly bland and somehow understimulating despite its loudness and tempo. It makes no use of friction or negative space. It has no texture because it's always so heavily compressed to be as loud as possible. Every single house track sounds the same. It's antithetical to music. I'm not a rockist; there is good electronic music. House isn't it. How terrible that people started saying EDM in place of shitty 2010s house music, giving a bad name to EDM as a whole.
>>223437842>We can argue all day about who has more things, but one thing is clear. Poland has *better* things.I am not arguing who has better things, I am arguing who was more influential and revolutionizing and creating entire fields in literature, music, architecture, painting aesthetics, politics and philosophy is by definition more influential than single and limited discoveries within this field. Nobody can name any aesthetic movements, architectural currents, music genres or legal and economical doctrines/schools from fucking Poland but any educated Westerner can do so when it comes to the Dutch. On top of that Dutch influence has been grandfathered into the currently dominant hegemonic global Anglo-Saxon culture. A lot of shit that happened or was come up with within Poland never influenced anything outside of it.
>>223438523The British band Killing Joke plagiarized a Siekiera song. Ironically, because of this, Siekiera became internationally renowned. I see random ass people with no connection to Poland putting their album in their topsters. Name one (1) Dutch band.
>>223438588Name one aesthetic movement, one literature genre, one architecture style, one economic school and one political doctrine that is original to Poland.
>>223438606You name one (1) Dutch band first.
What if... they're both useless meme languages?
>>223438625The Dutch have invented the entire concept of modern casting and reality TV shows. Name a single TV format that has been invented in Poland. Every single casting or reality TV shows is either a copy, licensed or stolen, from a TV format that was spearheaded in the Netherlands (including those in Poland).
>>223438686You can't even name a single one (1)?
>>223438708I have already explained to you that inventing an entire field is a bigger achievement than making a singular contribution within that field. What part of this concept is incomprehensible to you exactly?
Oh brother. I can name more Dutch bands than this guy. Anyway did I not mention the series 1670?
>the Netherlands has contributed great things to the world such as... house music and reality TV
>>223438686>reality tv showsEven if this was true which I doubt because america does this to not pay writers for good shows but if it is all it makes me do is wish the death of the entire nation for making people actually watch that garbage. Gameshows are only a tier above it but actually is enjoyable to watch.
>>223438802>Oh brother. I can name more Dutch bands than this guy.You are a low IQ retard whose rhetoric skills haven't progressed beyond kindergarden-level. Congratulations you just royally embarassed yourself.
Why are grammatical cases a thing in the first place? It's way simpler to infer meaning by word order and context than memorize a trillion of different endings
>>223438846How the fuck are you a German and yet managed to spell kindergarten wrong?
>>223438846Yeah, what about list something the dutch help revolutionize before the 1950s. Reality tv and house music is lacking. The canadian is right that thqt poland has been much more cultural significant in the present with great strides in gaming especially in RPGs and the other things he listed.In history they have some remarkable things going for them like discoveries of uranium poisoning.
>>223438835>Even if this was trueIt is true.>which I doubt because america doesSorry but you suffer from Anglo-centrist bias here but this is a common theme in your cultural sphere. The reason is that due to the geographic, historical and cultural proximity a lot of Dutch innovations and contributions get very quickly absorbed into British and later wider Anglo-Saxon and American culture.It started with things like the first international corporation and the first stock exchange (Dutch inventions) and stops with things like reality TV. Many TV formats on American and British TV like several types of quiz shows and reality shows where invented in the Netherlands first before being adopted by your countries.
>>223438897I have a challenge for you... can you name a single Dutch innovation... that is actually... good?
>>223438882>Yeah, what about list something the dutch help revolutionize before the 1950s.A statement like this coming from a Brit is fucking incredible (and makes me think that you aren't one) like the entire British colonial hegemonic period is extremely dependent on Dutch inventions, discoveries and creations. The Glorious Revolution wasn't just a military campaign it was a complete cutlural revolution that happened in British society triggered by Dutch ideas.
>>223438929>A statement like this coming from a Brit is fucking incredible (and makes me think that you aren't one)When are you going to address >>223438860? You're not a fucking German
>>223438927I love my air fryer. But if I had to vote I would say the EUV-Litography machine.
>>223438897>agloid whateverEnglish, you mean speaking english. Maybe over simplfying but basically it is because of that.>>223438927This btw, international corporations, gameshows and house music are all either mid or straight up the start of the decline of western world. Holy fuck, you made me despise that shitty nation now. It want it fucking dead.
>>223438948In linguistics this phenomenon is called hypercorrection. It's a form of behavior non-native speakers often engage in, especially and ironically using words and phrases that appear to them to be false due to proximinty to their native language. This mistake actually is indicating that I am indeed a native speaker of German.
>>223438929>A statement like this coming from a Brit is fucking incredible (and makes me think that you aren't one)Nobody cares about history and especially not the build up to the colonial empire.> like the entire British colonial hegemonic period is extremely dependent on Dutch inventions, discoveries and creations. The Glorious Revolution wasn't just a military campaign it was a complete cutlural revolution that happened in British society triggered by Dutch ideas.Vague posting, like what.>>223438948Kindergarden is in english moron
>>223438960>EUV-Litography machineNot possible without the Polish innovation of the Czochralski method.
>>223438984>kindergardenWrong. Don't you have spellcheck?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindergarten
>>223438851>Why are grammatical cases a thing in the first place?basically they're postpositions that got fused to the noun.>memorize a trillion of different endingsmost languages with cases aren't like this. Indo-European cases, where they have completely different/unrelated forms across noun classes, are an outlier.
>>223439005>Almost every single one of my posts has typos>Apparently kindergarten is spelled retardedly>English is my only and first languageFucking end me
>>223438984>Vague posting, like what.The two most important and formative events in British history are the Norman conquest and the glorious revolution. One was about British society being transformed by Norman French ideas and customs while during the other event it was transformed by Dutch ideas and customs. Again, your personal preference is utterly irrelevant (and again reeks of a feminine mindset). You can dislike the Normans yet it doesn't change the impact they made on British society and history longterm.
>>223438991>not possible withAgain you keep failing to understand that a singular contribution to a field is qualitatively inferior to creating an entire field. This is now the third time you have made the same mistake. You just have to suffer from some type of learning disability.
>>223439030Should I eat at McDonald's every day too because they have the most cultural impact of food franchises?
>>223439041The Czochralski method was revolutionary. Computers are not possible without Polish science.
>>223439030My lack of knowledge and disinterest doesn't mean I hate it moron. I'm just uneducated. Besides the glorious revolution is almost entirely an english part of history that barely gets acknowledged here. I'm aware of the normans bringing new loan words but the actual extent of it all is not known to me.You do seem particularly knowledgable so I would like to ask for specifics? Parhaps some source if you are so inclined to share of dutch culture and customs affecting the world (or britian directly since you insist that they were that influencial to it.)Also first time ever hearing the existence of the glorious revolutiom today.
>>223438851Language is about communcation, not meaning (which is a very common error) and communcation is not a static process, it is dynamic and involves errors and misunderstandingCases paired with word order are just another layer of redudancy that ease communcation.There are some interesting studies that looked at conversations of different languages, some with a case systems during phone calls where they introduced transmission errors and noise and many of the languages that have a redundant case system won out at reducing the error rate of the transmitted communication.
>>223439107So basically certain grammatical features that introduce redudancy like for example cases + word order as opposed to just word order created a layer of redundancy that reduced errors during real-time communcation.So every time you encounter a redundant grammatical feature that you feel is useless because you are looking at it from a meaning-centered and atemporal perpective not from a communicative one that is time-sensitive and temporal, like someone talking.
>>223439107>>223439186Makes sense.
>>223439093The influences were huge. Like the entire (public) financial system, central banking, parlamentarianism, anything to do with the rule of law and trade bascially was institutionalized in the UK during the Glorious Revolution, basically everything that made the UK a modern state.
>>223439200In the end it's all about communcation. A language is a communicative system that is in a constant state of tension, where ambiguity and redundancy are important features. Redudant features get lost because they are not significally contributing to reduced ambiguity anymore, likewise new features appear because they are reducing ambiguity (tone system/pitch accent in Korean/Japanese).
I'm building out a language learning program/website. Right now I'm gonna include French, Spanish, Chinese (Mandarin), and Japanese. I hope to share it with you guys soon.
>>223439238Final thoughts on this as you, me and the candian derailed this thread a bit that house music and reality tv are shit despite being somewhat infleuncial (house music is debatable) and the dutch influences of the glorious revolution as another example meaning that probably the dutch had a bigger cultural impact than poland ever did in the grand scheme of things.In the defence of poland though, they died like 3 times as a nation being carved and genocided 24/7. Also perhaps there are cultural movements we are unaware of because it wasn't translated and the soviet union and germany fucking them over for like 50 years straight.
I wish it were possible to know more than 5 languages fluently.
>>223439350The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth had one of the first constitutions in modern history. Now did this matter to world history? No it fucking didn't because no one outside of Poland gave a shit about it. It didn't influence anything and when the Polish-Lithuanian Commowealth collapsed it didn't result in anything. It's like China inventing the magnet or inventing fireworks just to make toys out of it.The small and short-lived republic of Corsica also had one of the first constitutions in history and this one actually mattered because it was used as the blueprint for the American constitution during their independence. So the short political history of the Corsican Republic had a bigger impact on world history than the entire political history of Poland.
>>223439350Don't forget the Deluge, a genocide by Swedes that killed 4 million people mostly including Poles. Swedes then stole and destroyed Polish riches including libraries of knowledge that they still won't give back to this day. The impact of this is understated.
Nobody likes the Dutch
>>223439461What knowledge was lost? Kinda based sweden mogging the dutch and poland. Didn't lost to germany in ww2, first central bank in the world, stole poland's shit and got away with it, successful nation being one or the best innovators of microtransactions in triple A strategy games (they stole a vast amount of their research straight from wikipedia including their mistakes which is how they got caught.)Learn swedish I guess for the language that is somewhat relevent instead of dutch or polish. I'm failing to learn russian however.
>>223439516Well, Swedes (and the Dutch) are overwhelmingly fluent in English compared to Poles and Russians. Hence nothing is translated to their languages.
>>223439581Polish sucks anyway, their language are written by the deranged. Literally any other slavic language is less gibberish than polish. At least looking at a serbian sentence, I could attempt to pronounce it unlike with polish.
>>223436498meh my mum was raised trilingual and her dad (my grandad) was a Heptalingual kid because that shit was normal in pre-ww2 Budapest (he spoke German, Hungarian, Croatian, French, Latin all before he was 18 because he attended a Gymnasium and then learned Spanish and Portuguese after leaving Europe)
>>223439602At least Polish spelling is more consistent than English. Plus, there are more digraphs in English than in Polish.
>>223439350Polish is written the way it is and not like Czech or Slovak because they started writing early and hadn't seriously reformed their alphabet. As a result, with knowledge of Polish, you can read old Polish texts easily. Also, some redundant letters communicate grammatical information; ó is pronounced the same as u, but only ó changes to o when a word is declined (lód -> lody, lud -> ludy), rz is pronounced the same as ż, but r only changes into rz, not ż (rower -> rowerzysta)
I reading while doing look ups the main way of building vocab?
>>223435980You’ll love the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.
>>223426865Tongue tie? I think I had that when I was a kid. Probably why I couldn’t be breastfed effectively. Mine went a way by itself, but I hear you can get it surgically corrected.
be gone for a while, i know the answer but still i must ask, has jordi finally got it together
>>223440507Yes
>>223440507He pretended to learn German for a couple days in a row then gave up. His trickery is becoming more sophisticated, he went through the trouble of writing fake study notes.>>223439787Main way is through understanding messages. Context clues, lookups/translation and memorization are tools to support you in that.>>223439393I wish it were possible to know more than NL and English, but sadly, it is not.>>223439325What's your elevator pitch? Is it vibe coded?
German ist tradbased. If someone wants to say ‘would’ while looking at an attractive woman, he’s actually saying ‘dignity’.
>>223440507To clarify my prior post, I've chosen either to learn Spanish, German, or maybe to improve my English to an advanced level. The important thing is to never close off your mind to new possibilities and never stop choosing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxsPBbZ_b8Suddenly made out the "You've got your orders, get out, shoot on sight" part for the first time in my life. Always heard it as "??? scared if you don't fight". Seems even oldfucks get better listening comprehension. Lyrics sites say "better shoot on sight", but sounds more like "get out" or "get 'er" to me.
>>223437842>Polish heraldry was widely borrowed from, most blatantly in Sweden's national coat of armsYou can't just say something like that without specifying what it is.>>223439516We do have a pretty cool pile of loot gathered over the the centuries. Especially stuff from the 30 years wars. We must have looted the majority of classical books in central Europe among other things seeing as how we looted most cities in modern day Germany/Czechia/Poland, and there was a standing order to gather all books and send them to the royal library.
>>223374755anons need to start using rizon again
>>223375561LLM stands for Large Language Model
>>223388189how could sam oldman do this to us...
>>223441310>What's your elevator pitch? Is it vibe coded?yeah I'm vibe coding it. I'm using real world textbook/internet data to build out lessons so that there is no AI weirdness in the translations. My pitch is that I'm trying to include a lot of elements that imo are separated. Some things are impossible to include like certain media for inpoot since there are legal issues regarding that. not that I'm looking to do this for money but I just want to play safe regardless if I host the site publicly. my first intention is making a language learning platform that I, myself, would like to use. and I'm literally going to use it to learn the languages I put up (chinese being the first :^))
>>223443420>I'm using real world textbook/internet dataGonna report you to all the big publishers immediately for copyright infringement.
>>223440507Yes. But there is a guy with a Jordanian VPN who is trolling, but the OG Jordie is still learning German
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>>223439426Yeah, much to my chagrin, no one gives a shit about the golden bull of Hungary outside of Hungary except me, but it is what it is.
Are there any anki packs for advanced french sentence mining? Tired of ploughing through endless "bonjour ca va" phrases.
>>223445660Either that's the most generic design ever, or we took that in the deluge as well and if so then we're not sorry and we're not giving it back.
>>223439602>Polish, sz:|>German, sch>English, sh>Serbian, š:O>>223448456Maybe some sentences from books? I once was doing an Anki deck with sentences from Harry Potter
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Is it true that Scandinavians sometimes speak while inhaling instead of exhaling?
>>223450996you are supposed to speak whilst inhaling or in between retardhave you been exhale-talking????????????
I love Persian, but Arabic unlocks more dlc....how do i pick?
>>223452422i hear that while the persia dlc is a fullsized expansion at $30, the arabic dialects are only $5.99 but there's like 12 of them and they have nothing to do with the other arabic dlcs
>>223452601i will only speak formal arabic if I learn it. I am not speaking niggerish. Arabs learn MSA in school, and will talk to me, a white man, thusly.So the dialects dont matter muchMy considerations are more like: Aryan Shia Chads with 1000s of years of history vs Arabized Goyim with nothing to read but Quran
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>>223395624ThisI know a girl who speaks 5 languages yet is COMPLETELY uninterested in their grammar, history, literature etc. - it's just because she lived in 4 countries and can speak them pretty well
>>223372433English bro
>>223452422Idk about Arabs but Iranians and Tajiks are cool people>>223452812>>223395624Or you can learn large, universal languages. The chances of finding something interesting in that language or meeting cool native speakers increase.
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German done. Did fake Jordie choose a language? I'd take that language as a side quest>>223448885Actually, now that I think about it, it would be nice to combine two letters into one graphic symbol like & or æ or œ instead of diacteics
>>223399046>He speaks English, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, and French fluentlyYou can't possibly count those as 5 languages. It's 3.25 languages at most.
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