ODI NIGROS

one of the most common words in latin is cum
therefore, latin is a gay language.

quomodocumque is my favorite word in latin

Output challenge: Girlfriends edition

Respond to the following prompts to the best of your ability. If you can, try using no external resources at first, leaving blanks or (even better) substituting descriptions or approximations for terms that you don't now. Then you may return to your answers and make better versions where you correct mistakes and substitute missing vocabulary. If you are more advanced, feel free to elaborate, expound, and improvise beyond the basic response.

Describe your girlfriend, or the kind of girlfriend you would like to have.
How did you meet your girlfriend, or how would you like to meet someone you could date?
What do you and your girlfriend like to do together? If you don't have a girlfriend, what would you like to do with one?
What qualities do you think are important in a girlfriend, and why?
Describe a memorable date you have had or would like to go on with your girlfriend.
What do you think makes a romantic relationship happy and successful?

>>225518653
nice try openai

>>225518653
je peux pas faire le challenge.
J'ai pas de petite amie.

>>225518653
La mia ragazza è brutta

>>225518693
Je veux faire une petite amie.... ouais... ouais... je vais aller au cemetary et avec les corps là je la créerai

>>225518653
whelp, looks like a good opportunity to practice some irrealis moods

>>225518653
If I answered this while substituting unknown words for English ones, it would reveal I don't even know such basic terminology as "girlfriend".

>>225518977
don't worry, you're in good company

>>225519002
Also, I think I might be gay.

>>225519205
just swap "girlfriend" with "boyfriend"

>>225519361
I don't know that word either. It has never even begun.

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If I learn Spanish will I get a girlfriend that looks like Ana de Armas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-MZ_ZgRpU&t=84s

>>225518653
Aš neturiu mergaitė, bet Aš bus pagalvosiu kad vienas moteris iš Tinder kas ateitį manę ir papasakojo aš esu gražus yra mano mergaitė.

Aš radau ją Tinder. Ji turi juodas plaukai, mano ūgio, ji yra mielai. Ji patinka podcasts apie serial killers ir knygai.
Aš visada patinki ieškoti moteris Tinderoje.
Mes patinkome eksporto salės, true crime podcasts, skaitome kartų, pasivaikščioti aplink miestas, žiūrėti filmą ir miegoti kartu.
Nuoširdi ir būti geras žmogus.
Būtų labai geras žiūrėti filmų kartų.
Būti nuoširdžiai ir malonu.
Here, I answered every question without using a dictionary, translation or even reference grammar.

>>225519827
maybe, but only if you're chad thundercock

>>225513106
Idk but I look like this just better

>>225519827
I think it would be easier to find a Tina Fire in LATAM.

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>吳稚暉本人對北方官話有強烈反感,更偏好鄉音。這不是什麼祕密:吳曾將北京人的口語比作「古怪的狗吠聲」,聲稱他們的口音摻雜滿語,很是「野蠻」。
was he justified?

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>>225519827
it's possible

dutch time, time for dutch
HK = HQ
hoofdkwartiers = headquarters
it is a “het” noun

>>225520629
stop please stop oh god no

>>225520629
I read that musically in a scottish accent, je me ris

>>225520629
What’s the plural, mijtie (matey)?

>>225518653
This is lame as fuck, give us a different one. Nobody wants to talk about bitches.

>>225518653
Tha mo ghaol "strong" agus alainn. Tha suilean dhorcha agus hair donn(?) aice.
Chaidh sinn aig an aon sgoil.
Is toil leinn liftadh weights, ithe biodh math, agus cluiche lear coin.
S'fhearr led ghaola thoisig dhut a' fàs nas fhearr.
Bha ar ciod date aig gym, dhrop mi weight air a h-ankle.
Chan eil na facalan agam.

People who speak agglutinative languages - I mean German, Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish, etc...
How easily can you come up with stupidly long and highly specific words?

For example, mid-conversation, could you come up with such a word naturally on the spot if said word made sense in a conversation, or do you have to take time to think about how to construct such a word?
And also, would you be able to always understand such a word immediately?

I ask because recently I started with Esperanto (I know, I know) and because it's agglutinative and totally logical you can literally just stack dozens of affixes onto a root word like as if they're lego pieces to make some really stupid crap.

For example I can make the sentence:
Mi pervis ĉion kaj sentas, ke mi ekfalemiĝontos en prafimalĝojegejon.

For which, a simple non-literal translation would be: "I have lost it all, and I feel like I'm on the verge of collapsing into a pit of total despair".

But in actuality, ekfalemiĝontos literally translates as: "to have a sensation as if one is suddenly about to plummet"
And where prafimalĝojegejon literally translates as "a place which is akin to a primordial, profane abyss of profound misery".

>>225521004
Corrected:

Tha mo ghaol calma agus àlainn. Tha sùilean dorcha agus falt donn aice.
Chaidh sinn aig an aon àrd-sgoil.
Is toil leinn togail chuideaman, ithe biodh math, agus cluiche ler coin.
Is còir dhad ghaola thoisig ort fàs nas fhearr.
Bha ar ciod cheann-là(?) aig lann lùth-chleas, leag mi le chuideam tuit air a h-ahbrann.
Is còir oiribh cuideachadh a chèile agus a bhith dìleas aig a chèile.

>>225521122
Antidisestablishmentarianism

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>>225518653
Je ne peux pas faire ce défi, ça me déprime trop.

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Here is my hypothesis about language stagnation from ALG.
The entire method is based on basically learning like a child, but children make mistakes all the time and need to be corrected by their parents, peers and teachers for years before they become fully capable in their mother tounge. So you're going to learn a language that way but without all the corrective mechanisms in place you would likely end up sounding like a 6 year old.
It's really easy to get comfortable with good enough if you don't try to actively improve.
This really noticeable in several areas. Who have the best accents? The people who keep pushing themselves.
When it comes to constructing advanced sentences and using rarer grammar it's the same thing, it takes actual effort and practice to improve. There's a reason we go to school for so many years and write all those essays. The same pattern repeats it self every domain, putting in effort, getting feedback and correcting oneself based on it yields results.
So keep coping about fozzilization ALGers, because you are going to STAGNATE and end up sounding like preschoolers.

>>225524140
10 years from now, you'll realise nome of the nonsense you believed had any basis in, and there will be nothing you can do about it

>>225521122
german isn't an agglutinative language
and most long words in at least finno-ugric are just nom-nom and gen-nom compounds so the same concept as in in most languages, the spelling distinction is as arbirtrary. a word like päikesesoojuselektrijaam is just "sun-GEN warmth-GEN electricity-GEN station-NOM" and kõrgpingeelektriimpulsspaagutamine "high- voltage-GEN electricity-GEN pulse-NOM sinter -ing GER" , and both of these words are uncommon and specialised so not like this happens in common speech

>>225518653
彼女はありました。彼女はありません。友達はありました。友達はありません。私は人間の好きじゃないです。

人間はちわっと…

>>225518653
child, teenager, JC, JK

>>225521122
Finnish words aren't too terribly long like in Turkish. I don't know. I think compound nouns or numbers (seitsemänkymmentäseitsemän) create longer words than just adding grammatical affixes to a word.

>>225526159
How is this different from Japanese, particles, changing form and endings etc? Only there, these components are treated as separate words if I'm not mistaken. It also seems to me that Japanese has cases, and no one talks about it (or talks at higher levels, I'm not learning Japanese, but I just looked at some random videos on yt)

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>>225524140
>It's really easy to get comfortable with good enough if you don't try to actively improve.

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/225208848/#q225252805
>Fossilization in Second Language Acquisition (SLA)—the phenomenon where a learner’s language development permanently plateaus despite continued exposure, motivation, and practice—has been backed by significant longitudinal and empirical studies.

>despite continued exposure, motivation, and practice
>despite continued exposure, motivation, and practice
>despite continued exposure, motivation, and practice
>despite continued exposure, motivation, and practice

>need to be corrected

Eigentlich, es gibt Studien darüber, die sagen, dass Korrekturen effektiv nutzlos sind...

Meine Hypothese: es hat alles mit Alter zu tun. ALG ist eigentlich zu optimistisch, die perfekte Methode existiert nicht, man kann dieses Phänomen nicht vermeiden, ab einem gewissen Alter.

Why wasn't I born in Finland? God must really hate me.

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>>225527816
>God must really hate me.

Vielleicht weil du Sodomie praktizierst? >>225519205

>>225527295
japanese isn't considered to have cases because japanese nouns are immutable, it has case marking particles which are different, while finnic nouns and adjectives undergo largely root mutations through gradation, esp. southern finnic languages like estonian that mostly lost case markers, in comparison other uralic languages and also turkic languages just add on a suffix with no changes to the root afaik
see estonian, finnish, udmurt for "human; person"
nom. gen. acc. prt.
inimene inimese * inimest
ihminen ihmisen O ihmistä
мypт мypтлэн мypтэз O
*same as nom. and gen. and mostly unused

the singular nominative, genitive and partitive in estonian are actually unpredictable unlike in other uralic languages because of said loss and the language is in the middle of becoming fusional like what happened to sami

>>225527576
you don't get "brain damage" from learning the language incorrectly. that's just a way stupid people use to frame it thinking making fun of the concept will make it not be a reality
the scientists you rely so much on haven't even thought of doing something as simple as trying to make adults learn like children (realising thinking damages your language is probably a few centuries away from crossing their minds)
https://beyondlanguagelearning.com/2017/12/05/the-alg-shaped-hole-in-research-on-second-language-acquisition/
https://beyondlanguagelearning.com/2017/12/08/the-alg-shaped-hole-in-second-language-acquisition-research-a-further-look/
marvin brown was 42 years ahead of his time in 1984, and i think even beyond 2026 people here and elsewhere will still be behind him
the more i read these boards, the higher the likelihood of me finding damaging information like this
>>225526159
or this
>>225527295

even if i manage not to read them after noticing it was just more linguistics rubbish, as it was the case, i stand to gain nothing by being here. i guess the only thing I'd gain would be coming back in 5, 7, 10 years and seeing everything i expected to happen with the people here concerning language learning come to fruition. it would be a 5 minutes satisfactory feeling at best though, so it's not much to speak of.

if someone doesn't have the capacity to realise ALG is correct on their own... do they really have the intelligence or wisdom to create anything meaningful, innovative or just generally add anything worthwhile to this world? i seriously doubt that

>>225527991
I am a khhv.

>>225528212
Das Phänomen ist echt, aber ALG hat die falsche Erklärung.
Wir werden wahrscheinlich scheitern, aber nicht wegen ALG-Prinzipien.
Komm in 5 Jahre zurück, und zeig uns deine Fortschritte. Alles andere ist bullshit.

>>225528556
what would i stand to gain from showing my progress? I don't even know any of you people. what if some of you are child molesters and thieves? why would i want to risk helping people like these? for all i care this comment
>>225528005
is perfect for the people here because it's just pure damage

>>225528398
Ich dachte, Schwuchteln ficken jeden und alle. Du musst entweder sehr hässlich oder sehr nervig sein.
Aber das ist gut, weil du es immer noch in Himmel schaffen kannst.

>>225528689
Typisch.

>>225528723
>le heaven o algo
No amount of straight sex is going to retroactively make me born in Finland.

>>225528005
So it's a matter of defining case. For my purposes of understanding, they're practically the same thing (I mean, I can map it like cases in my head and it will be the same in practice... I think). But I understood a little more, thank you. And Turkish supposedly has cases, but you just add a particle / suffix at the end
>>225528212
We learn about cases at school, so it's learning like a child

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I got 80-ish on my A1 test
I'm content with this but could do better

>>225521122
>I started with Esperanto (I know, I know) and because it's agglutinative and totally logical
You should have started with Turkish because it's agglutinative and totally logical.

can i kiss my bro and claim it's not gay cuz it's just a french kiss and its part of my learning french?

>>225530264
Grammarchuds just want to show off hard they "work" by memorizing grammar tables. It's all performative.

this Swedish gigachad is making me want to be carried in his IKEA made meatball fueled nordic arms that are ready to exterminate the nearest norw*gian sojboy
https://youtu.be/F6Zkirb2A2g?t=88

for intermediate/advanced learners, how long did it take for you to be able to pick up words by just hearing them? I've read a few novels in russian and I'm halfway done with war and peace so my vocabulary is decent. I've started doing more listening/watching (I'm watching the dub for spongebob right now and some native vlogs on youtube) and I can understand a lot because of my vocabulary but every time a new word is introduced that i've never seen/heard before it just sounds like a mush of sounds. Obviously at some point learners will start picking up words just by hearing them but it seems so distant for me right now, are there any good "intensive" methods for improving this aspect, like listening and transcribing, or do I just have to do a bunch of listening/watching and then rewind to time stamps where I didn't catch a word?

>>225531320
>are there any good "intensive" methods for improving this aspect, like listening and transcribing, or do I just have to do a bunch of listening/watching and then rewind to time stamps where I didn't catch a word?
Argüelles recommends the scriptorium method for that i think

>>225531533
Scriptorium is more of a way to get through your beginner readers and natural method books. It can be employed at any level though. The important thing is that there’s repetitions of shadowing the text and then making sure you fully understand it before doing scriptorium.

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PSA for French learners, as I saw this mistake a few times last thread:
1st person conditional -ais
1st person future -ai
They are actually pronounced differently too. The -ai is pronounced high, as if it were written -é, whereas -ais takes the expected low è pronunciation (at least outside of some of the metropolitan accents which I think merge these two finally, at least in casual speech)
You can remember two things:
>For a given person+number, the future is always shorter than the corresponding conditional (when written)
>No future form sounds exactly like any conditional form for the same verb (barring any dialectical merger)

Question for Frenchies: Exactly how common is it to distinguish between these two sounds finally?

>>225531320
It's difficult to put an exact number on it but probably a couple of years of watching TV shows and playing games with TL subs on before I could consistently and with confidence look up a new unknown word in the dictionary based on the audio alone. For speakers with distinct dialects and/or sociolects even more.
Some people will bitch about how using captions won't really train your hearing, but I've found it to be incredibly useful since it's instant feedback for what I've heard.

>>225524140
when were you able to watch anime without subtitles in Japanese, swedish boy?

>>225531320
>halfway done with war and peace
How boring is it? I never read it even at school... though reading in a foreign language may sometimes alleviate boredom since attention partly shifts from a plot or characters to learning new words and making way through the grammar.
I read Atlas Shrugged when I barely knew English, wasn't that bad.

>>225535113
if you're Russian and haven't read Dostoyevsky, what are you doing with your life?

>>225535233
I read a couple of his works but what he has to do with war and peace?

>>225531533
Thanks I'll check it out
>>225534760
This is for japanese right? I thought japanese had very clean phonetics, figured that would help with listening
>>225535113
It varies. A lot of the time he's either autistically describing every minutiae of a battlefield or dedicating a few chapters to some rather tiresome aristocratic social intrigues, it almost feels like pride and prejudice but for men. Some sections are really kino though, like Andrej staring at the sky after being wounded, Pierre's duel or the Rostov siblings listening to a peasant play folk songs on a balalaika after a hunt. I'm getting a bit bored of it now though, I was reading it for like 2 hours a day up until last week and now I'm watching spongebob instead kek

Learning kanji is such a bitch

It's not hard but it's so tedious and when you think you learned a lot you see a sign and can't even read it

>>225535539
i thought old boy dosto had written it

>>225535618
>I'm watching spongebob
Watch Neznayka na Lune instead, it's the best cartoon I know of. The plot is really unique and voice acting is great. I'd read the book when I was a kid and then watching the cartoon blew me away.

>>225535658
please try not to do such silly mistakes anymore

is this how the french speakers view italian?
>>225532258

>>225535113
>I never read it even at school
Unironically missing out.

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>livakivi is considered an inspiration and a model for Japanese learners

https://voca.ro/12TTCerkUMO2
Ok, so my main problem last time was instead of looking up actual proper pronunciation guides (I.E. "ecть гopoд зoлoтoй" = "yest' gorod zolotoy"), I was sort of just writing stuff up that vaguely sounded like the words of the song, which was a completely improper way to handle the performance. I also used more audio guides this time to actually "hear" how the sentences are supposed to be properly pronounced before recording
There is no shame, if this still wasn't much closer than I can do some more work and produce a better version.

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>>225536497
Ich denke, er postet hier manchmal.

>>225535092
Easy shit like magical girl anime in clearly spoken standard Japanese? After like a year and a half. Right now I can watch shit like Berserk of the Cyberpunk animeme comfortably, but it's not like there is a cap, a film like Battle without honor and humanity is still way beyond my level, but apparently even native speakers can struggle a bit with that one due to heavy dialect + yakuza slang.
>>225535618
Yeah nipponese. Standard Japanese, especially when spoken in a formal register tends to be really clear phonetically, but shit like the old man mumble takes time to tune in your ears to.

>>225537202
So it seems like you are trying to perform a cover of a Russian song without knowing Russian?

>>225537725
>After like a year and a half
how many hours is that?

Have any of you used OmeTV to speak with natives?

>>225537202
You're completely botching everything up but this time I can understand maybe around 30-50% compared to exactly zero last time.

>>225535897
Thank you it looks really good, reminds me of the domestic cartoons I'd watch when i was a child. I've tried native childrens' cartoons before but iirc they talked quite fast with various pronunciation quirks and childlike vocabulary/phrasing. Do you watch any contemporary russian media btw?

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>>225538011
I don't know exactly, it's not like I've been keeping a record but it would be something like averaging several hours per day during that period.

>>225539094
>but it would be something like averaging several hours per day during that period.
that's at least 2 hours a day then
1095 hours to be able to watch "magical girl anime in clearly spoken standard Japanese". if 3 hours then that becomes 1624 hours. just about what i expected

>>225538974
>Do you watch any contemporary russian media btw?
None at all, don't even know if anything is still being produced besides budget leeching slop. Everything about Russia has been so depressing in the recent years, I try to distance myself from it by not reading news and mostly using Russian only irl.

>>225539094
>>225524140
as a comparison, an ALG learner of Thai was watching anime by 600 hours

https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/17zq9oq/600_hours_of_pure_comprehensible_input_for_thai/

>At 120 hours, I could catch individual words. Now (when watching with full attention) I'm catching tons of words and short phrases of a few words all the time. Almost every minute, I comprehend one or two full sentences. Sometimes there will be an exchange of several sentences between two characters that I comprehend at 80% or better

that's about what's expected of an ALG learner that starts without much damage

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What's stopping me from role-playing TL situations with LLM chat bots?

Rate my small Spanish ditty

Fue dicho:
No sé quién soy,
Pero yo sé mi nombre
Todavia por hoy.
Estás un bicho
Con ojos mojado
Llenado de plomo,
Tal vez aún sé
de lo que estoy.

>>225540261
At a similar or lesser amount of hours I can read prose spanning from dense history to philosophy to adventure stories and can understand podcasts in my language to usually 95% or better comprehension. But Thai is also quite difficult isn’t it?

Also from what I’ve heard from AJATT guys they are typically in a better position at that time from their use of subs and sentence mining.

Ich möchte Deutsch lernen, aber ich bin Retard und bin Amerikaner. Gott steh mir bei.

>>225543818
>At a similar or lesser amount of hours I can read
irrelevant. paul nation found a Japanese girl reading about economics in English and her English was rubbish
https://youtu.be/t4gLWbH7vaM?t=896

>and can understand podcasts in my language to usually 95% or better comprehension
which podcasts?

>>225543413
nothing? your own embarrassment? pride?

>>225543818
>from AJATT guys they are typically in a better position at that time from their use of subs and sentence mining.
i expect their listening to be worse and so far i haven't seen any data coming from them

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>>225528723
Sei nett, bitte.

>>225543887
>irrelevant. paul nation found a Japanese girl reading about economics in English and her English was rubbish
apparently not, if she was reading about economics

>>225543819
Ich glaube an dich. Glaub {auch} an dich selbst.
{I forgot this word, so I looked up ‘as well’}.

>>225540218
>Everything about Russia has been so depressing in the recent years, I try to distance myself from it by not reading news and mostly using Russian only irl.
It's the same shit here, and probably in other european countries as well. God it's gone so far that I have to larp just to get away from all of it. Atleast you seem to have some actual unity and shreds of the past over there, though i would of course not really know much about it

>>225544148
Wieso? Er ist mein Erzfeind. Ich muss seinen Willen nochmal brechen.

>>225543819
>Retard und Amerikaner

Überflüssig.

Any Russian learners in?

Plan to start in the next few weeks and was wondering what your main source was for CI? i.e. if there were any forums you frequented or streamers you watched

>>225544521
My CI was just traveling to a former Soviet country. Now back home it's going to Russian supermarkets.
I'm a native Slav speaker though so it's def easier for me

>>225545018
What slavic language?

>>225545074
Polish

Duolingo could have put effort into creating courses for Thai and Serbo-Croatian, but instead they make courses for fucking math and chess?
What were they thinking?

>>225545088
Oh that makes sense. How easy did you find it? I recently argued with a polish friend about how easy it would be for him to learn russian (he thinks he could learn it with little effort). In fact the main reason I actually started learning russian was out of spite for him because he said he was learning russian and I knew he was full of shit kek

>>225544521
What are your long-term and short-term goals with learning russian? Do you want to talk with russians, read classics in the original or engage with russian media in general? I personally don't really agree with the CI method until you're ready to watch/read actual CI, which is a long journey. Personally I started by learning the alphabet (shouldn't take you more than a handful of hours), then watched a video covering all the basic grammar of russian, I think it's called "all the russian grammar you need", it's around 8 hours long. After that I just read whatever I could with the help of a dictionary/AI; first a graded reader by olly richards, then the first two books of harry potter, then a bunch of translated manga and finally I moved on to actual native literature. The start of these transitional periods will be difficult but you just have to push through it imo. If you're more into watching/listening I think russian with max/russian with dasha make the best CI material, though I found most of their content rather boring and just read without doing much listening and now I can understand about 90% of everything they say without subs.

>>225526431
>いる/ある

animacy is important

>>225545277
In terms of grammar and pronunciation, it's really easy to wrap my head around. After just a few weeks/months I already felt confidant to have little convos in it. That said, there's still A LOT of different vocab to memorize, and it's far from just a separate dialect. It's like French and Spanish.
That said, I can't really speak on this yet because I'm more focused on French right now and Russian has been a side thing, but once I get back from France I'll lock into Russian more to try and actually be fully conversable

>>225545117
>What were they thinking?
how they'd advertise to the whales that would be giving them money in exchange for these thoughtless decisions

WE’RE DUTCHING!!!
today’s word is speelgoedcollectie, which means “toy collection”
it’s a “de” noun
some people find their “speelgoedcollecties” to be very “gezellig”

ongezellig

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>>225543887
I can read across genres and topics relatively well. What you are describing with your Japanese girl is narrow-reading of a particular academic field, which is a well documented phenomenon. Lots of people become very skilled specifically in scholastic latin for example, especially if they have a background in philosophy/theology, because the narrow vocabulary and massive repetition of technical terms and stock phrases that would be arcane to a layman are very conducive to narrow-reading. (This also happens to be why the gospels are such a great set of first books in any language, teeny vocab, formulaic speech, lots of repetition).

Clearly, you lack basic critical thinking, and your consistent inability to construct a cogent claim constantly culminates in convoluted, contradictory conclusions, collapsing credibility. Cease.

>>225545117
It's unbelievable how shitty it became

What are your thoughts on word orders?
Are there any you struggle with or think are stupid?

OVS is just the direct opposite of English, and given it's just the inverse of what I'm used to, for me it loops round to being fairly easy to grasp.
VOS word order is probably the one that trips me up the most.

To satiate my autism I'll list word orders from most common to least common (by total number of languages which use them as their standard word order), with example languages that use them.

>SOV - 45% of languages
German, Latin, Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, Turkish, Persian, Nahuatl, Navajo, Quechua, Tibetan, almost all Indian languages (both Indo-Aryan and Dravidian)
>SVO - 42% of languages
English, Spanish, Portuguese, Serbo-Croatian, Bulgarian, Finnish, Mandarin, Cantonese, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Thai, Swahili, Modern Hebrew
>VSO - 9% of languages
Arabic, Berber, Irish, Welsh, Filipino, Ge'ez (Ethiopian), all Mayan languages, most Polynesian languages
>VOS - 3% of languagese
Malagasy, Fijian, most Algonquian languages, most Arawakan languages
>OVS - 1% of languages
Klingon from Star Trek, Äiwoo, Hixkaryana, Urarina
>OSV - >1% of languages
Yoda in Star Wars, Haida, Tobati, Warao

What explains neurotic people getting really into AGL? Not even the first time such a character appears here.

>>225547488
Low IQ people think they are intelligent. They fail at something and instead of examining their methods or their actions they just latch onto a dogma derived from something actually true, and then sperg out at people doing 95% the same thing because it doesn't follow the dogma.

It's like fad diet stuff.

>>225546062
Nooit gekeken

>>225547078
VOS isn't that foreign to me. It just feels like a grammaticalization of sentences like
>He ate the whole cake, the old bastard

>>225544521
here
https://comprehensiblerussian.com/#/home

>>225546392
you still haven't answered, which podcasts?

>>225547488
what is AGL?

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bumping this with a question
what's the consensus here about dating just to get input in your tl instead of having any actual romantic interests?

>>225545117
They are trying to appeal more to classrooms lol
It's a useless app anyhow

>>225536497
He seems pretty chill, but anyone learning Japanese is doing so because they have some perversion that has tainted their soul.
I know the real driving factor is because they want to live out their JAV fantasy.

How to cope with not sounding like a native in your TL?

>>225551012
If you don't look like the people of your TLs nation, you will never be treated as a native anyway.
Polish and Indian niggas come here and speak English with heavy accents. Just embrace it. Who gives a shit as long as you can speak the language.

>>225550981
>but anyone learning Japanese is doing so because they have some perversion that has tainted their soul.
what language are you learning?
>>225551012
ask other copers like this swedish guy how to fix it
>>225524140

>>225551073
I learn da Koreans because I'm a DPRK fanatic (I don't support them I just think they're really neat and want to learn everything about them)

>>225551051
Sounding native is not about being native, it is about being passionate about a language.
>>225551073
What is ALG

>>225551232
>What is ALG
an elite method made only for distinguished individuals who are able to arrive at the truth with their own

the average language learner is usually too damaged to witness the full potential of the method themselves, and if not, they simply just don't get it, and think it's about language learning

>>225551506
This explains nothing

>>225551869
if you need to be spoonfed ALG isn't for you, that was the subtext

>>225550747
No point in speculating on something that's outside of my viable options. I might as well speculate on growing wings to fly to my TL country and learn it there.
In fact, I'm probably more likely to be struck by lightning and wake up fluent in my TL than meet a (any) girl who's willing to date me. Sometimes I have hopes that maybe I'm wrong, but reality always reminds me.

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>>225518653
>>225518977
>>225519205
>>225519634

4000 hours of input
https://www.reddit.com/r/dreamingspanish/comments/1x86io9/speaking_update_4000_hours/

what's the verdict from Spanish speakers?

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>>225550747
You'll just end up absorbing the feminine quirks of the language and sounding gay. Imagine learning English by dating foids lmao, you'd end up sounding like a valley girl

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>>225552947
just become a samurai ( ｰ`дｰ´)ｷﾘｯ

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>>225551073
There is nothing to cope about, for language learning the same principles applies as with physical fitness or any other intellectual skill. Showing up and putting in the effort consistently is what yields results. Sure you can fine tune it with perfect technique but in the end it's hard work that matters, which also why people fall for all these supposed miracle methods.
>>225551869
You're supposed to learn like a child but if you do anything children normally do you will get permanent drain bamage.
>>225527576
See this.

>>225554026
>There is nothing to cope about, for language learning the same principles applies as with physical fitness or any other intellectual skill. Showing up and putting in the effort consistently is what yields results. Sure you can fine tune it with perfect technique but in the end it's hard work that matters, which also why people fall for all these supposed miracle methods.
you will only learn the truth the hard way it seems. naybe when you hit rock bottom in Japanese oe whatever language you learn you'll see the light

>You're supposed to learn like a child but if you do anything children normally do you will get permanent drain bamage.
I don't remember seeing children talking about "hard work" or "learning languages", yet they reach native level without effort

Hercle, me miserum! Typhonas tertius anni huius insulae meae appropinquat!

>>225551232
>What is ALG
Its a form of learning, which is proven by the creators own cohorts to not work super well, and any reasons as to why the learner fails is due to a number of cope reasons and definitely not because the method is flawed.
Don't bother with it at all. Anki + CI is the meta. Shit just werks.

>>225556327
You can see that with the Brazillian ITT. Every thread he just ignores examples people provide to him and tries to nitpick any reason why the learner strayed from the path of enlightenment and didn’t achieve their goals. (Even though basically all the “successful” dreaming spanish users literally just didn’t follow the program and either used subtitles early, mined vocab, read early on, etc.)

>>225556488
I think people should do whatever makes them happy, but objectively speaking if it isn't anki and CI, its going to be very inefficient.

>>225551232
ALG, simply put, is simply to try to acquire a language with none of the things adults typically use to learn a language. Dreaming Spanish are often used as an example because they preach an ALG approach, where one does not use any subtitles, does not read, and does not attempt to speak until they have consumed at least 1000 hours of content they can mostly understand in Spanish.

Basically, take typical input methods, and strip away literally anything that isn’t the videos, including the subtitles.

>>225556327
>Its a form of learning, which is proven by the creators own cohorts to not work super well
when was it proven and how? what i see is when learners are compared objectively, the ALG results are always more efficient, so what is meant by working super well?

alg
https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/1udkc0c/3086_hours_of_th_comprehensible_input_silent/

traditional
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnthai/comments/1nrrnm9/3000_hour_thai_learning_update/
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnthai/comments/1hwele1/language_lessons_from_a_lifelong_learner/
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnthai/comments/1tt2gk9/anybody_who_has_reached_academic_level_fluency/

>and any reasons as to why the learner fails
who failed?

> is due to a number of cope reasons and definitely not because the method is flawed
a method is flawed if it's followed as defined and it doesn't get the predicted results, not when the methodology rules and guidelines hurt your feelings or when you don't know what those rules and guidelines even are (so you think the method is what you'd like it to be)

>Don't bother with it at all. Anki + CI is the meta. Shit just werks.
why am I able to watch and profit from intermediate videos in Japanese at only 170 hours whereas a flashcards + ci person like this is still unable to after 100 hours of anki and 800 hours of ci?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CIJapanese/comments/1tig5ge/comment/omu6zp3/

>Wow, you are progressing extremely fast. I am at 800 hours of CI and I also do Anki for vocab and kanji, additional 100 hours. Based on your description I feel I am at the same level as you are, so tell me about slow and painful. By now I have rewatched every video up to 30 level for 5-10 times.
>In comparison to Spanish Japanese feels extremely hard, I can't even comfortably transition to intermediate level yet, because without visual context my comprehension is really low even for beginner videos

suffice to say beginner videos are very easy to me

>>225556488
>Every thread he just ignores examples people provide to him
you're more than welcome to link comments where such examples were given or provide those examples now

>>225556874
>>225556949
Case in point.

>why am I able to watch and profit from intermediate videos in Japanese at only 170 hours whereas a flashcards + ci person like this is still unable to after 100 hours of anki and 800 hours of ci?
Because on a fundamental level that person is probably a bit of an idiot and is getting distracted by his anki and kanji study and junk from just actually engaging with the language. When he’s watching videos I bet he’s picking apart everything in detail and on a subconscious level can’t really handle ambiguity. You, by stripping all the other stuff away, are making much more rapid gains in your ability to tolerate ambiguity, comprehend the spoken language, and learn words from context. Tolerance for ambiguity is a hugely valuable skill and a lot of people coming into a language with an attitude that they have to understand everything before they “progress” just sputter out (this is also why, on a more extreme level, latinists get stuck since they will consider 50 lines of text an impressive daily achievement because they believe they have to perfectly examine every line. People really should be reading like 50 pages a day if possible). So for what it’s worth, that your approach eliminates distracting considerations and gives you a straightforward workflow every day really helps you a lot.

>>225550747
Es ist nicht sehr effizient und es würde sie/ihn langweilen. Ein Lehrer zu sein, ist sehr anstrengend. Evildea hat eine chinesische Frau aber er lernt trotzdem solo, weil es einfacher ist.

>>225551012
>Es macht nichts, ich wollte sowieso nie perfekt sein!
>Es klingt exotisch! Ein perfektes Akzent ist zu langweilig!
>Ich könnte einen perfekten Akzent haben, aber es ist nicht nötig. Gute Grammatik ist wichtiger!

>>225513999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95G-URBVnCU

Neues Video von der Legende. Schöne Ziffern, übrigens.

>>225556874
>when was it proven and how?
Members of browns cohort, and his own words retard lmao
Surely you know brown? The guy who invented the ALG method xd

>>225556874
>why am I able to watch and profit from intermediate videos in Japanese at only 170 hours whereas a flashcards + ci person like this is still unable to after 100 hours of anki and 800 hours of ci?
Honestly, I think you raised a really good point here, and I want to expand on my earlier response with an example of an extreme case. Just for fun, I switched Skyrim to the French localization and played ~30 hours or so of it. In that time I played through a roughly full playthrough of several major questlines, the only deviation from how I'd normally play was my effort to pay attention to what every character was saying and to not skip dialogue.

In a 2 hour stretch of gameplay I might literally read/hear hundreds if not up to a thousand lines of dialogue, just casually playing video games and not really worrying about it.

Now, I saw someone try the same thing. To "play skyrim" in their TL and they said it "took" them "2 hours to get through the opening cutscene" which is maybe 2 minutes of actual gameplay. I found this utterly bizarre until I realized it was because they would literally be pausing the game and looking up everything they didn't know and trying to master every sentence they heard before they moved on. So in the same time where I would actually be engaging with the language in the mode I wanted to eventually use it (reading/hearing/understanding/acting on what I heard) and hearing literally thousands of lines and usually running at 80-100% comprehension depending on what people were saying, this guy only covered maybe 50 lines of speech, and would immediately treat any deficiency as a problem he needed to panic about, drop everything, and solve before he moved on. For me, the process was fun, seamless, and got me a lot of input. For him, the process was a 2 hour grind of stress to do almost nothing.

I think the mindset of this fellow is why you get people on here complaining that they've "studied for 4 years and can't understand Peppa Pig."

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>>225558093
why do i even waste my time here? thanks for convincing me to leave. I don't want to become like you people

>>225559236
arrividerci

>>225559236
From James Marvin Brown's wikipedia page;
>and some of those who refrained from speaking and all these things still failed to surpass him
And;
>In order to experience his version of the natural approach for himself, Brown attempted to learn the Shantou dialect of Chinese by setting up classes with the same format of the AUA natural approach Thai classes. He found that as a linguist he was unable to stop himself from analyzing the language he was hearing, and said this interfered with developing the ability to use the language like a native speaker.
Nigga failed at his own method HAHAHA
Go study more lil bro, stop coming round here with your retarded ideals xd

>>225556586
>does not attempt to speak until they have consumed at least 1000 hours of content

Why?

>>225559510
Because if you ever say anything incorrectly you'll magically become stuck saying it that exact same way forever

It's cool that the new Annoying Guy is Brazillian, very important representation for us

>>225560275
I was shit at pronouncing Spanish when I first started 3 years ago but now I have Mexicans asking me if I'm from Jalisco. Not using the language you're learning for 1,000 hours is absolutely mental. Do they think being able to understand the language will automatically make you good at speaking it? I feel like a good accent is something you have to work on as you learn the language.

All this talk about "fossilization" is funny because it's like you need some book written by a PhD to figure out that you can form bad habits

>>225559074
Honestly, I get that mindset. If I'm interacting with a piece of media, it means I'm interested in it and want to experience it fully, hence the need to TL every single little bit until I can understand it. Of course, actually reading what Skyrim NPCs have to say is worthless, but what do I know.

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I hope all of your studies have been going well. For me, today makes two months of learning French!
It's pretty neat to see how things slowly come together just from being consistent. When I started I had to rely so much on French subtitles to realize what words were actually being said, but the other day I got a random French clip on my phone and I could easy follow along without them. I've also started to catch myself reading French and understanding it instead of immediately trying to translate it in my head. Feels good... even though I recently experienced something that made me a lot less interested in continuing my studies, lole. Whatever, we move

How fast do we think I can crank out getting to hsk 3.0 3 if I work purely on spite and self-loathing, assuming I am planning to take hsk 3.0 regardless of what I can accomplish in the next monthish and am currently hsk 2.0 1ish?

Chinese or French?

>>225563465
French
>>225563777
Chinese

Was thinking of playing vidia alongside doing anki decks. Are there any good games that are fully translated to Japanese and/or Russian? Both text and audio. I am already playing stalker anomaly in Russian, but I wanna play other games aswell.

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>>225564763
Cyberpunk 2077 ist verfügbar auf Japanisch und Russisch. Ein gutes Spiel mit vielen Dialogen. Ich hab es auf Deutsch und Spanisch gespielt, die Synchronisation ist sehr gut.

>>225564763
Seconding >>225564993

I don't think I've seen anything outside of praise for Cyberpunk's translations, regardless of the language it's in.

>>225564993
>>225565044
I've been thinking about it and I'll give it a try, but I did a full run like 2-3 months ago. Still thanks

at what point should a nigga give up and just get another hobby

>>225565740
what is your TL and time invested so far

Why are there so many fucking wooooOOOORDS

>>225565856
Probably what the first people though when they invented speech

Being able to speak Russian, Korean, Japanese, Cantonese, Mandarin requires the same amount of study equivalent to speak 12 European language at the same time

>>225566059
Imagine being one of the first people and your bro keeps coming up with new words. You're begging him to stop because there's already so many words meanwhile he's over there pointing at shit going "cup" "rock" "hammer" "tree"

>>225566226
Russian is not that hard

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>>225565740
An seinem 25. Geburtstag.

>>225566797
Is that thing about there not existing a word for "Blue" for like thousands of years true? I saw a video that claimed the Greeks had no word for blue.

>>225566226
If you come from an Asian background it's the reverse, speaking a few European languages would be way more impressive. All that shared Chinese vocab and cultural heritage goes a long way.
>>225568036
Maybe not in Indo European languages at least. Old Norse didn't separate between black and blue either, so that was probably made up somewhere along the way. An old Swedish word for nigger is blåman, i.e blue man, though blue in this context should be interpreted as black. In comparison Japanese didn't separate between green and blue in the past, the Aomori province would mean the blue forest in modern Japanese but the actual meaning of the name is the green forest. It's interesting how language can shape perception like that.

>>225544521
I fucking suck at learning russian but my largest leap into understanding russian text was the grammer book on it in OP and listening to music to get comfortable understand russian sounds.

The grammer skyrockets you into greater understanding than just learning on the go. It's too unique of a language to just "vibe it".

You don't need to read the whole grammer book at once but at least skim it after you get the basic and general grammer rules out the way.

>>225570411
same experience with Latin. seriously studying a grammar book alongside input very seriously improved my Latin skills. I just tried reading a lot to get all the conjugations and everything but that didn't work that well for me, so I just started memorizing them and not only reading, but also outputting is much easier. I think I will study from a prose composition textbook in a few months

>>225568036
English doesn't distinguish blueish and reddish purple in casual speech. Blueish is "lila" and reddish "purpur" here (though "purpur" isn't the most common word).

>>225570792
No common word for them that I can think of is the more important point. Must be lots of different color splittings like that in different languages, but they're hard to notice. I get that they're loans though.

Hebrew דוגמה comes from Aramaic דוגמא, which in turn comes from Greek δεῖγμα. The Academy of the Hebrew Language advises the spelling ending in ה, but the Aramaic spelling remains more popular generally.

>>225561740
He will never be back frfr. He doesn't want to be like us lmao
>inb4 he replies tomorrow xd

when are the French going to learn how to spell and/or pronounce their own shit properly?
God forgive me for what I am about to say, but they're nearly as bad as Poles.

>>225571328
it's a reference to how french peaked with old french and has been going downhill ever since

>>225568036
There wasn't a word for orange in French or English for a long time. It was referred to as a shade of red. Orange the color gets it's name from orange the fruit, which didn't make it to Europe until the 15th/16th century.
That's also why redheads are called redheads, despite the fact that their hair is clearly orange.

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>>225572247
i assume this order is followed as much as the sonority sequencing principle is because estonian inherits the word for grey from proto-finnic while brown, purple, pink, orange are all recent loans

>>225572306
The World Color Survey found that this sequence was followed in about 83% of languages studied
https://linguistics.berkeley.edu/wcs/

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>>225518152

i am learning belarusian
difficult since there are sparse sources in english, but I keep moving

>>225572456
Why? The belorussians barely even speak it anymore.

>>225572656
"belorussians"

get off the VPN

>>225572456
Are you from Belarusian diaspora?

>>225572656
Belarus need a national revival

>>225572968
yes

DOOTCH!
the word beschermingsmaatregel refers to “safety measure” or “protective measure”
it is a “de” noun
tomorrow i will find you again and teach you dutch

fun bonus dutch fact: dutch is one of the few languages to refer to a bow and arrow as an arrow and bow (pijl en boog)

>>225521122
>agglutinative languages
>german
retard

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>>225573350
>>225573423
I love you dutch bro

>>225562010
Anxiously awaiting the research paper telling us that we can unlearn bad habits too

>>225573423
posts like this are why I read this thread

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>>225574209
supplement with this french learning bro

>>225570792
Idk about the other Slavic languages, but at least in Bulgarian, we have two words, but we use them mostly as synonims and not as distinct hues of the colour purple, those words being "лилaвo"/"пypпypнo"

why are americans so hard to understand?
https://youtu.be/rbrdYW11wno

>>225580946
elaborate if you want, though all she says in the clip is "hi faith, welcome back" and "didn't think we'd be seeing you so soon" but i'll chalk up the misunderstanding to limmy just being from the island

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chat is this true?

>>225584606
I'm surprised it's even that close considering our demographics

>>225584606
Pisa? Italian bias, irrelevant

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What are these options in anki? I am quite confused on them despite looking up a guide.

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What are these numbers in anki? Why is the green number always changing?

>>225585611
Use them to mark how solid your knowledge if the card was. The little numbers I guess correspond to how long before you are shown the card again.
>>225585638
How many cards in the review session are of each color/difficulty

>>225586304
Are new cards marked automatically easy?

If you like watching gaming content then watching people play simulator games in your TL is pretty good CI since those games are usually simple and have no dialogue

>>225588001
Sorry I think for the second pic it's more like blue=done for this session, red=you'll see it again this session, green=you haven't seen it yet this session. So everything starts green, and then based on your rating it gets set as either blue or red. You'll keep seeing the reds again and again until you eventually give them a better rating.

>>225590248
>>225585638
The blue is actually the words you haven't seen yet, no?

>>225590345
Blue = new words

>>225590580
Yeah, i meant new words you haven't seen yet. My bad

I was watching a Lithuanian movie and I found out there is a gap between my spoken Lithuanian and my reading skills.

>>225585638
Blue are new words.
Green are your reviews for today
Red that you failed cards that are to be drilled now and memorized

>>225590774
What movie?

>>225590983
The faild cards become failed when i chose "hard" under a card?

>different languages measure penises differently

>>225591114
Toxic/Akiplėša. My sister recommended me to watch it.

It's about two Lithuanian girls in a poor neighborhood in Kaunas trying to be models to a scam agency. They partake in drug use, bulimia, anorexia, etc.

Not my kind of movie desu

asian languages are too hard, I got old before I got fluent, I will never marry a rice fairy and find true love, farewell cruel world

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>>225590774
Listening is unironically the most difficult skill.
>>225592457
I'm sorry anon but I don't remember giving you permission to quit. You're going to get back it, do your best, and you're going to make it no matter what.

bump

>>225545117
Why would you want to know more languages on languages app when you can have it turn into a chess app?

Either way don't waste time with duolingo.

>>225592457
Just learn, repeat/recall and immerse. Simple as that.

>>225592457
do indonesian / malay
it’s the easiest asia lang

How can I stop TL general from littering my TL vocabulary with dirty words?

>>225599829
Just tell them off.
https://youtu.be/z3tgUpSp9hY
>28:30 - 28:48

>>225599829
>his TL has a general

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知らんけど spreads over the world, sirankedo ( ˘ω˘)ｳﾑｯ

dutch time!!! this is going to be a real common one: PAGINA!!!
it means “page”
it doesn’t rhyme with vagina!!!
it’s a “de” noun
see you tomorrow??!!

>>225601948
BUT WHAT IS THE PLURAL?
Also, ‘página’ is Spanish for page and ‘Seite’ is German for ‘page’.

>learn French
>try to understand french zoomer slang
>it's all Arabic
wtf

>>225535618
>decent vocab to read war and peace
How long have you been learning Russian?

>>225580946
Her accent was almost obnoxiously over-enunciated, especially when compared to his mumbling ass.

>>225602725
is that real?

>>225603042
Started last june and began reading war and peace at the start of august this year

So i watch a daily youtube video from a playlist that is 5 minutes long then do an anki deck that gives me 5 new words per day, that is like 10 minutes of studying per day and i am not satisfied with that, how can i go longer? I listen to music but i rarely learn anything new from them.

>>225605573
who started last june?

Duolingo thinks I'm great
it thinks I'm amazing
it thinks I must be a super computer
it reckons I'm basically already fluent
it says I have a hot bulge and a big dick

>>225606351
Is your Target Language sarcasm?

anyone here with experience booking the Goethe B2 exam? i just can't do it - seats get taken almost instantly

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>>225605573
K i n o, congrats m'lad.
You also said that you understood nearly 90% of tv-series in Russian. Give me your 1-year-recipe and I will follow gladly.

>>225606020
We're gonna start it and you cannot do anything about it.

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>>225596889
>>225596914
> Sagte er auf Englisch
Was ist los? Lernst du keine Sprache?

>>225610053
First I learned the alphabet, then watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsXTwDr1NtQ Then I read Olly Richard's CI russian book, 1st harry potter and half of the 2nd one but I thought it was boring so I read manga instead (squid girl, azumanga daioh, stuff like that). When reading manga got too easy I read roadside picnic and directly after that I started reading war and peace. I used anki the whole time, mostly sentence mining with audio on back/front

>>225600043
Languages that have generals are non-meme languages and everything else is a meme language. Sorry bud.

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>10쪽
죽은 불판

>>225613785
Thanks a lot, I'll start reading Olly Richard's book soon. BUT the question is how did you manage to achieve listening skills with only reading? I don't understand that part.

>>225619095
That's what you got after sterilizing all the retards in Swedish eugenics 20 century programs: a race of Swedish Übermenschen able to learn any language in one year.

>>225619095
My anki cards have audio from forvo for the target word, usually in its inflected form if available and the stress is marked on the back so I always know/have an idea of how every word is pronounced. I'll do listening every now and then just to see if I need to dedicate any time to it

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In the 1600s they'd just drop you off at a random port and say "we'll be back in 6 months to a year good luck with the language barrier" and you either learned to speak the language or died I guess

>>225623897
>tfw you will never be a christian missionary in the 17th-19th century tasked with learning a minority african/asian language to translate the bible into it
why even live

>tfw I will never be able to learn ALL of these languages: Latin, Ancient Greek, German, French, Italian, Russian, Polish, Arabic, Mandarin, Persian and I just have to pick 5 at most
right now I am thinking that Latin, German, French, Ancient Greek and Italian will be my choices, but I would like to learn the other ones too :(

>>225625000
I think I may have some leeway with another language since Italian should be easy after French and Latin, but otherwise I could replace it with Russian, Arabic or Mandarin, leaning towards Mandarin though

>>225623897
they need to do that to me now

>>225626378
I wanna be forcefinned

>>225623942
>oh boy I'm being sent to Asia to spread the word of God I can't wait to learn all about them and their langu- ACK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26_Martyrs_of_Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Genna_Martyrdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_Saints_of_China

Are language learning apps really that bad? Anytime I look them but its people saying it's waste of time and money and you should use Dr Schol's Textbook and Peter's Grammar guide instead.

>>225626581
You can probably chalk it up to gods will since the one notable success led to a chinaman thinking he was jesus' brother and that whole escapade.

How would ‘new-game-+-ing’ a language look like?

>>225628268
Jemand anderem die Sprache beibringen, oder Bücher zu lesen, die man bereits gelesen hat, um sie völlstandig zu beherrschen.

>>225627538
Ja, die meisten Apps sind wirklich scheiße. Anki, Lute und Language Reactor sind alles was man braucht, und man kann sie kostenlos benutzen. Lehrbücher sind auch nützlich, aber hauptsächlich, weil sie einfache Texte und Audio haben, alles andere ist nur Ablenkung.

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>>225625000
>Polish

Warum? Wieso? Weshalb? Aus welchem Grund? Wozu? Wofür?

we must dutch
sorry for my lateness (don’t give me a tikkie)
today’s word is “prikkeldraad,” which means barbwire
i find it to be a lot more delightful than its english equivalent
it’s a “de” noun
tomorrow is a day of the week

>>225628846
makes me want to get geprikkeld asap

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>>225626538
Sorry the best I can do is to forcefemme you
>>225627538
Language apps can be alright to start out with, but they have a long list of issues I won't bother to write out, but there is one which is especially important. Any app that has a subscription fee has a very good reason to string you along for as long as possible instead of actually teaching in an efficient manner.

>>225628687
>Bild
Die Prophetin Deborah aus dem Buch der Richter des alten Testaments, Kapitel vier.
>>225628401
Oder vielleicht das Übersetzen.

Anyone learning Modern Standard Arabic? What degree have you reached so far?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o45E-O3kMj4

Je veux mourir

>>225518152
Hi

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Je me souviens de la joie dans ma vie, mais je me suis rendu compte récemment qu'il y a bien plus de souffrance que de joie