Why are Gensokyo's goddesses like this?
>>48153444Listen, we like bullying Yukari here and everyone here knows that Okina is basically what people think Yukari is like, but Okina wasnt the one that created Gensokyo.
>>48153444Why is Pedokina sitting in the classroom?
>>48153831sup kasen
Hello
>>48153843flan doesn't look like a loli in that photo
>>48153831>but Okina wasnt the one that created Gensokyo.Crazy Backup Dancers have fact-checked this statement and confirmed it to be false
>>48154312its a defensive measure developed by flan to combat against Okina
Best I could do
>>48154699I think this is the wrong thread, but it's still very cute! Beat up Okina Cirno!
>>48154448nta but is this for real or are you just being ironic
>>48154883It's only thanks to the power of the Secret God that Gensokyo is able to exist. Therefore, she did indeed create Gensokyo.
>>48154891>It's only thanks to the power of the Secret God that Gensokyo is able to existwhat. what is the source for that, yukari was the one that set the hakurei barrier up and is behind of a solid chunk of the things that keep gensokyo running, is this another retcon i wasnt aware of
>>48154898https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Sages_of_Gensokyo
>>48154905Awesome I love the treasure in this story
>>48154905...But at least Yukari was the one who set the barrier up, right.The sages proposed the idea, but Yukari was the one that executed it, right.While everyone else slept, Yukari was doing stuff around like the vampires pact and stuff like that.Right.
>>48153444Boring, pointless character, like most of the 3rd generation. I honestly don't get how people can latch onto her.
>>48155136I can excuse you the "Boring" because that could be subjective, but pointless? Why?
>>48155140ywbaw
>>48155140She's pointless because she does nothing interesting or meaningful that couldn't be done by someone else. Like >>48153831 mentioned, she's just more obviously competent Yukari.
>>48155177Okay. I can understand.>>48155153Kill yourself for throwing it randomly
>>48155177>she's just more obviously competent Yukari.Isn't that interesting and meaningful enough? She's another type of mastermind character.
>>48155258I think the problem is that she is underused or something like that. I mean, it would be cool, (and basically what she should do in the first place) to create an incident in a much more meaningful and logical way than what happened in HSiFS
dorky hags have nothing else
>>48155258No, we already had splitting fanon Yukari personalities into more sages with Kasen, and it wasn't well done back then either. >>48155185Maybe it would be better to have just one.>She's another type of mastermind character.Another issue: we've got a gazillion mastermind characters at this point.
>>48155470>we've got a gazillion mastermind characters at this point.Yeah but are any of them good? The bar is so low anyone with a little luck in manipulation is a "mastermind"
>>48153831I'll have you know that Okina absorbed several deities and other entities involved in the creation of Gensokyo and legally counts as them for all official purposes.
Having more than one Sage and turning Yukari less important was a tragedy for Touhou lore.
>>48156223ZUN hates using already existing characters.
>>48156223Yukari was never an omnipotent being
>>48156223The problem is not saying that there are other sages, it is the way the lore manages and moves around it. More characters would mean a good thing in most cases, except when the author does not know what to do with them, or how their actions has repercussions on the other characters.
>>48155177>>48155136Okina is in a wheelchair and has the personality of a lecherous old man, she's much different from Yukari. Okina would grab your ass as you pass by her.
>>48160700Only if you are a girl.
>>48155489Sex fox isn't a mastermind she's just a onahole
>>48160700I got halfway through a smutfic like this once, but I also felt like not only would she be a lecherous old man she'd really love dangling how much stronger she is in front of you, whole at the same time craving constant reverence.
>>48156223The fuck? Yukari being one of the be-all end-all default culprits IS the biggest tragedy in Touhou lore. The Sages while not being a perfect fix are a way better solution than having Yukari being the cause of literally everything, and even then she's still involved in basically everything anyways. As much as I love Yukarin, if you can't take away the strongest characters power, then you take away some of their agency. It's Writing 101.
>>48161527All the other sages are already Yukari's fanon personalities, so why not be honest about it and keep the sage count at one?
>>48155136Okina is far a far better character than Yukari ever was and is actually not only respected as a sage but also feared, whereas Yukari nowadays just gets (rightfully) made fun of.
>>48171676Better character how? Being a Yukari reskin?
>>48171805Okina is Yukari without the Merry baggage, with more interesting associates instead of only really having Yuyuko, and actually doing stuff beyond annoying Reimu and always vaguely working towards the greater good.She's not a Yukari reskin, she's what Yukari always should've been.
>>48172295>with more interesting associatesLike overrated bat and overrated goat. Lovely.>actually doing stuff beyondWhat did she even do? Fucked with the weather again? Killed a few fairies? Took control of oil instead of overrated goat? Again, nothing Yukari couldn't do. You don't have to create another character for that. Unless it's ZUN, who'd rather buy a new hammer for every nail, and then still use a wrench.
>>48171600Kasen and Yukari are so far apart on the spectrum both in canon and fanon it's baffling you can say that. I'll give you the wheelchair though.
>>48171600Kasen is nowhere close to any of Yukari's personalities. The closest potential match is oni/arm Kasen but no canon appearance with Yukari even ever implied she's into being a bloodthirsty maniac outside of generic yandere shit thrown onto any youkai.
>>48172808Outside of fanon generic yandere shit*
>>48172722>>48172808Kasen is Yukari that gives a shit about being disliked. Also, Yukari is (or is trying to make others believe she is) a bloodthirsty maniac, she's just subdued and/or subtle about it.
>>48172854So she's a bloodthirsty maniac despite not being one? As far as we see, Yukari is not going around taking delight in murdering people or even in plotting that, it's just necessary to feed Gensokyo. Arm Kasen brags and gloats about being drunk on blood, big difference.Kasen also has plenty of personal issues that wholly separate her from Yukari. Just "having the ability to plot" doesn't mean they are Yukari, stop being silly. Or are the three fairies just Yukari but as retarded kids now because they pull pranks on Reimu? If you're going to say two sages are the same, you should focus the energy on the character that doesn't have a whole manga to flesh her out.
>>48172881Alright, I will admit I was wrong about Kasen. I still find her unnecessary, but that's beside the matter. As for Yukari "only taking what's necessary", all I'll say is that we only have characters' words to judge their alluded deeds and leave it at that. But what I said about Okina still holds. No matter how you look at her, she's just a more obviously competent Yukari clone who is not very interesting.
>>48172701>Like overrated bat and overrated goat. Lovely.Flandre isn't really what I'd consent consider a proper associate of Okina. She's just a mercenary she hired for one particular job.Okina's circle is more about her ties to Yuuma, as you mentioned, but also Hecatia and Junko, the Zashiki-warashi, the tengu, Aunn, a former enemy in Larva, and a potential minion in Cirno. And on top of that there's mythological ties Miko and Kokoro that give her even more options.The only thing Yukari really has over Okina is a better minion, but Ran's development only happened just recently, so that's more catch-up than anything.>Again, nothing Yukari couldn't do. You don't have to create another character for that.It's not about whether or not she could, but whether she would.Yukari really just maintains the status quo, doing little other than bother Reimu from time to time. The biggest thing she ever did was that one-time thing against the Moonies, but that long stopped being relevant.Obviously none of it really matters as long as ZUN never actually does anything with it, but Okina has far more potential for shaking things up than Yukari ever did.
>>48172931I don't really think she's necessary as a Sage either but her role is kind of clear: Kasen can reshape Youkai using her missing arm and lead them on safer paths. Yukari is intent on making Gensokyo safer overall if the spellcard rule is any indication, hence Kasen is basically the park ranger of Gensokyo. She culls and teaches the animals to behave, and probably how to look more human as well.As for Okina, well, the Okina posters can probably debate you better. I do find her personality very detached from Yukari though. She's boisterous, her mythological origins tie her into a fuckton of characters and her actual in-game relations carry her far. She might plot but it's often just some "security" related stuff regarding to Gensokyo.
>>48174682I can see where anon is coming from by saying that Okina is just Yukari with all the fat trimmed out, but even that is a stretch because Okina does have a lot more going on than being simply just being an actual plotter, rather than simply yet another member of the forbidden template like Yukari is. Not to say Yukari doesn't do plot-stuff either but she's usually on the "defenders" side rather than the aggressor side, whereas Okina is pretty much exclusively someone who fans the flames of any given incident she's a part of, if not the inciter herself. Seriously, when was the last time Yukari had incited an incident? SSiB? Every other time she's a red herring or simply does shit that doesn't lead to anything big like I believe handing off a youma book to Kosuzu, but not any of the ones that caused actual issues because that was Mamizou, another constant instigator.
>>48174784>fat trimmed out
what does kasen even do for gensokyo?talk to animals?
>>48175719Are you actually asking, or do you just want to get into an argument over nothing about it?
>>48175890yes
>>48175719In the Fairies manga she's reigning in violent youkai and turning them into something that'll be more peaceful
>>48175719she helped build hakurei land.
>>48176062lol
>>48172961>Yukari really just maintains the status quo, doing little other than bother Reimu from time to time. The biggest thing she ever did was that one-time thing against the Moonies, but that long stopped being relevant.She also contacts them in Grimoire of Usami, where Okina also mentions the Moonies and Junko and Hecatia appear. LoLK was only four games ago and Grimoire of Usami came out in 1019, if ZUN is willing to bring Tewi back for LoLK I wouldn't discount the Lunarians showing up again.
