Would you really trade the Outside World for Gensokyo? You exchange:>Your access to the internet>Every technological comfort>Human rights and dignity>Healthcare and educationFor:>Isolation in a pocket dimension>Fantastical creatures who are territorial and self-centered>A superstitious culture that demand you fear the supernatural>Not being part of the dominant species>A very real chance of being sent to Hell after dying, with Heaven being a literal impossibility
>>48633385I would only go to Gensokyou if I somehow gained abilities that would allow me to protect myself from others. Internet, technology and healthcare can all be obtained in Gensokyo. It would be difficult sure but doable. Being weak is the main issue here
>>48633385>A very real chance of being sent to Hell after dying, with Heaven being a literal impossibilityAnything instead of dying and going to oblivion
>>48633385>>48633404as long as you look like a cute little girl, you'll be fine, you could even become a youkai and gain ez immortality because you look cute (otherwise reimu would curb stomp you like she did with fortune teller)
I would happily be the human village drunkard.
>>48633406going to oblivion atleast means not suffering, unlike hell
>>48633443there is nothing worse than the "nothing"
>>48633453how do you feel when you are in a dreamless sleep?that's right, nothing but a peaceful voidthere's nothing to fear
>>48633465Pain is weakness leaving the body.
I would happily be the Gensokyo communal dildo
>>48633385nah, considering i'd more than likely be gapped in as food for the residentsif i can somehow become a hermit or a magician (preferably the latter, but since magic library genesis isn't a thing, probably not going to happen) then sure? but either way casting away my desire for things like aircon and not being eaten alive by mosquitoes every waking hour trumps all of that. being a cute girl in magic fantasy-land sounds cool and all but if i'm stuck in preindustrial conditions breaking my back before i turn 30 being a farmhand then who cares
>>48633406idk Oblivion sounds kinda cool actually
>>48633443>>48633385Oh no, not the Gensokyo hell!
>>48633385We already know Eientei provides medicine for villagers and such so it's not really unlikely that you'd have a decently well-off life in the village. They don't want you to starve if you're supposed to be superstitious.
>>48633385First of all, who are you quoting? Anyways, let's break all of these down.>Your access to the internetThis can only be a good thing, the human race has largely been unprepared for it and it has been weaponized against its people, with the future of it looking bleak. The Internet we knew of the 90s is dead.>Every technological comfortGensokyo likely has all the major technological comforts one would need for the comfort of life, I.E. plumbing. Cirno can be used for AC if you need it during the summer.>Human rights and dignityLOLLMAO>Healthcare and educationYou already finished your education, haven't you? Public schooling in the modern world is pretty hellish. And Gensokyo is not absent of educational sources, it still has bookshops, libraries, schools and scholars. Also Gensokyo healthcare is worlds beyond our own, nice try.Also weird that you didn't list family and friends being left behind, that to me seems like one of the biggest reasons not to go to Gensokyo. Anyways>Isolation in a pocket dimensionConsidering how scary the globalized world is, along with how most people are content to live their lives in small areas, this would be a boon to many.>Fantastical creatures who are territorial and self-centered>A superstitious culture that demand you fear the supernatural>Not being part of the dominant speciesYou're a dominant species now Anon, do you really feel that empowered? Or do you still pay taxes? You're trading a bureaucratic hellscape, cyberpunk future, and malevolent shadowy government for youkai who at the least have a much stronger interest in keeping you alive, and are cute girls. You don't even have to do much in Gensokyo, just live a comfortable life in the human village and get spooked by some ghost stories you hear (assuming you stick to the easy villager life).>A very real chance of being sent to Hell after dying, with Heaven being a literal impossibilityThis isn't how the afterlife works in Touhou.
>>48633465You can survive three weeks without food. You can survive three days without drinkable water.You can survive three minutes without breathable air.So easy! Why haven't you gone to the peaceful void yet?
>>48633465The reason people invented afterlives is to cope with life ending, we cannot literally imagine experiencing "nothing" and this was the result. And naturally, humans tend to fear death because it's cessation. Thanks to an afterlife you do not have to cease, and things will still have an up and down when you eventually reincarnate.
>>48633547> the human race has largely been unprepared for it and it has been weaponized against its people,Same is true for Youkai existing.>Gensokyo likely has all the major technological comforts one would need for the comfort of life, I.E. plumbing.Nah. I like electricity. I would rather have a smartphone than a magical wand. >Also Gensokyo healthcare is worlds beyond our own, nice try.It's not. Literally the only hospital is located in the death forest of death. Have fun watching your wife die in childbirth because Mokou was too busy smoking.>Considering how scary the globalized world is,Only if you are weak, and if you are weak Gensokyo will eat you alive>You're a dominant species now Anon, do you really feel that empowered?Yes.>Or do you still pay taxes?In Gensokyo you have to pay your taxes as well. They clearly have rich people after all, and those streets aren't going to build themselves. What, you think those guards are just going to work for free? Bend over, and pray the local nobles don't implement the right of first night. >interest in keeping you alive,No, they want to keep the human villagers alive. YOU are expendable. If your bloody corpse being found in the human village serves as a good enough warning to the rest, they will go through with that. >, and are cute girlsThat's worse. At least Humans can build something. Youkai are parasitic psychopathic manchildren that act like teenage girls, teh lowest of all lifeforms. >This isn't how the afterlife works in Touhou.You literally can't go to heaven in Gensokyo. This is established canon.
>>48633385The only reason I would go to Gensokyo is to implement a final solution to the Youkai problem.
But what If (you)r favorite character appeared in the outside world?
>>48633815she'd continue to be the strongestall governments would have to bow to the mighty chiruno-chan.
>>48633547>Also weird that you didn't list family and friends being left behind, that to me seems like one of the biggest reasons not to go to Gensokyo. AnywaysWell, I guess there's at least one anon that cares about other people(in a good way) and liked by other people... Anyways back to escapism:>>48633815I hope she gets to help people with poison manipulation (if she even has her powers, if she doesn't just become a normal doll), depending on how much she could fine tune her powers she might detect and heal poisoned people properly, she is only one girl so she could only help so much people, but maybe due to the lack of replicability she has less chances of attracting unwanted attention.She might also see robots and such as dolls so maybe she tries to form an army with them for the doll uprising tho.
>>48633815>MokouSounds like the premise of a cute romantic comedy.>MystiaA bitchy teenage girl? Wow, that's new.>YukariFly you fools!>SakuyaJotaro would beat her up.
>>48633815If she appeared? Well lemme rephrase it by saying "if any singular 2hu appeared in the real world", because everyone has a favorite and the answers will vastly differ, but in general?I guess I'd never know. At absolute worst it'd just be a string of mysterious killings that'd never get solved, and I'm not going to say "the Zodiac Killer is a 2hu", or a variety of strange events that wouldn't affect anyone here because Japan's a bit more than a frogs leap away, and even then it's still a country. Yuugi could be stompin around Kagoshima for two hundred years and it'd mean nothing to a guy in Niigata. And at best and most likely statistically speaking, they'd just live their life doing whatever they do and become a cryptid. Seriously, the amount of 2hus who simply cannot co-exist on any level with humanity are pretty small. Unless you want to assume everyone would go completely and utterly feral, the worst examples would be the malicious actors like Seiga or Parsee, the retards or forces/functions of nature like Cirno or the three fairies, and the ones who simply emit death where they go like Medicine or... I'm actually struggling to think of a second for some reason. Maybe Yuuma after taking a bath in an oil spill.
>>48633547>The Internet we knew of the 90s is dead.Soon it will be forgotten.
>>48634417>soonDid you make this post before 2016? It's dead, Jim.
>>48633385You exchange:>Hyperstimulation and addiction>Stagnation due to lack of purpose>Being livestockFor>A sense of community>Purpose and challenges in life>The promise of an afterlifeBeing forced to actually do something with yourself would be a boon to many of us. Hardship gives life meaning.
>>48634443Hate to be that guy, but /jp/ is a board of NEETs. The second you bring in the idea of actual physical activity such as tilling farms and not dying from eating berries you thought were safe or food you thought you grilled enough is the second the whole experiment comes tumbling down. Not many here have survival skills. Unless you're a survival otaku, in which case both of our posts are kinda moot points.
>>48633385Absolutely. I have been mentally prepared to trade reality for fantasy since I was a child. If I could see something I believed to be impossible with my own eyes during my life then I will have died happy.
>>48634460That's exactly my point. Having to leave the basement and learn to survive is exactly what /jp/ hikki need. Especially while living in the wondrous and fantastical world of their dreams. The ideal path to self-actualization.
>>48634460Hey now, I'm a NEET not a hikki. I still like going out and doing some light hiking every now and then and do what I can to stay relatively fit. I don't know shit about farming but I'm willing to learn and do it as long as I don't have to have a real job like I would on the outside.
>>48634460I'd just offer myself as a servant to the SDM. For one, English duh, and for two, I'd like to believe I have decent social skills and could make good conversation and tell stories or share useless knowledge, something which would hopefully be entertaining and novel to Remilia. If I could manage to entertain the Scarlet Devil well enough, being a courtier/servant in the SDM would be a nice life. And if not, even strictly just a servant would still be pretty comfy if the fairy maids are anything to go by.
>>48633385>>A very real chance of being sent to Hell after dying, with Heaven being a literal impossibilityAs long as my heart lies with Christ, I'm not subject to any of these weak and useless pagan deities.
>>48633385>>Your access to the internet>>Every technological comfort>>Human rights and dignity>>Healthcare and educationEveryone pretends they care about these things, but they honestly don't. They're just scared. They know they're going to die all the same.
>>48634508These things are ultimately just a distraction so you can ignore the fact that you aren't living the life you wished you could be living.
>>48633465The idea of death being comparable to an endless slumber you can't dream or wake from also sounds like a cope rather than a realistic, plausible explanation for oblivion. It still implies a subliminal awareness of the so-called "void", which is incoherent if consciousness is really just an emergent phenomenon exclusively tied to a meat computer that becomes worm food at some point or another.
I would be kind of mad if I died then found out that I still exist and have to do stuff.
>>48634512But inherently those things, at the very least the internet and technology, are required for Gensokyo to even exist as a concept.
>>48633385Don't kid yourself. It'd be just trading one dystopia for another, albeit a slightly smaller one.
>>48634684Everything the human race has ever interacted with is required for Gensokyo to exist in its present form, but I wouldn't volunteer to live on Mercury.
>>48634697I'm not sure what the second half of your post means, but I should also mention since I forgot that the series did start in Uni so education's also important.As for the human rights part... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one. Instead I'll just laugh at anon for pretending to be an intellectual 12 year old.
>>48634711The internet and the planet Mercury are both required for Gensokyo to exist, but I would rather not live on them.
>>48634729Without a fictional Mercury, Gensokyo could exist. Without a fictional moon, Gensokyo could exist. But without ZUN and the life he led up to that point, Gensokyo couldn't exist. I can't say "even without the celestial bodies in our world ZUN would'va still made Gensokyo" because I can't see into that presumably god-awful alternative timeline, but the fact of the matter is that Gensokyo is the ZUN who lives within our reality's exclusive creation. 100%. This cannot be debated. Well, unless you count the ones like Ellen I guess but that's a different debate that neither of us are arguing.
>>48633815>Go fucking back.>And take me with you!
>>48634460NEET is just someone that doesn't contribute to society, a lot of NEETs are autistic hippies living in the wild
>>48634756The majority of ideas about Touhou come from fan works. And the whole thing, especially ZUN's work, is based on mythology and flows with the currents of both ancient and modern culture, subtly affected by everything that goes on. I repeat>required for Gensokyo to exist in its present formIf you can imagine a Gensokyo based on different real mythology, I can imagine one written and drawn on paper or even stone tablets, as many fantastic realms have been before.This is a fruitless debate in any case, it's only an analogy.
>>48634756You sound like a profound moron. Go get tortured by the Cartel and imagine you could be prancing in beautiful meadows with forest nymphs at your beck and call, then say you're grateful for the Cartel holding you against your will.
>>48634775If we're going to argue alternative realities then you're right that the debate is fruitless, because it's the ultimatum and final concession of any discussions about could be's and what if's. At the end of the day we live in reality, and there is only one. Thus it is a fact that Gensokyo does not exist if ZUN's life as it had been did not, because that is what happened in reality. Thus all of those things anon claimed are ultimate just a distraction are a distraction to the truth of the matter; that his hopes of finding Gensokyo only exist because of ZUN falling to them.Also as an aside since I was thinking about it on the loo, but the human village actually has some really good human rights for its time. No famine's, no wars, not getting executed for religious beliefs even if all the Taoists are evil, potentially only one lord, not really any murders and surprisingly barely any guns, not really much in the way that could completely destroy the lifestyle of all within its walls. It just has a singular iron law. Stay within the village. It's kind of idyllic compared to the average village in the late 1800's, though obviously a good portion of that comes down to the fact that ZUN doesn't want to write a story about someone in the human village getting gored by a boar.
>>48634783The fuck do cartels have to do with Touhou?
>>48634791>the human village actually has some really good human rights for its timeGensokyo as a whole is rather peaceful and Arcadian. Idyllic, even.
>>48634804You're saying that another reality isn't automatically preferable to this one because we managed to conceive of it here in this one. It makes no sense. Your cope dream wonderland *is* far preferable to being tortured and maimed by psychopathic drug cartel members.
>>48634865That's not what I said at all...? Read from the top. >>48634684. Originally it was just a quick jab at anon being edgy about society before it became me being serious and laying out what Gensokyo is and how it came to exist. I'm not saying this reality is perfect or even close to ideal but I am saying that an outright rejection of concepts deemed so basic as "human rights" and "education" as distractions is inherently rejecting Gensokyo as a whole, to say nothing of how Gensokyo has most of those things anyways. Only thing missing there is internet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some mention of Sumireko sending a pic she snapped through the barrier and I just forgot it because that stint of relevance she had was hot garbage.
>>48633815>KaguyaEirin would probably loser her shit and go on a warpath.
Part of the mysticism of Gensokyo is that it's also where things that are forgotten shows up. Anyone arguing it's completely and utterly isolated from everything ever while also forgetting it's from the last years of the Meiji era should shut the fuck up and go back to playing the games before they make anymore stupid posts on this board.Rika's got a tank, the SDM are all Teaboo's, Hatate's got a flipphone and Rinnosuke's got a fucking gameboy right next to Kusanagi no Tsurugi.
>>48634696technological dystopia vs supernatural dystopiathey both suck, just in different ways.
>>48633385But I could be one a witch IRL instead of just being a useless chunni. Just would have to move to the forest of magic before I got close to transforming into an immortal qt. Yokai girl. So that I don't get Reimu'd.Also no internet means I could finally end my shitty internet addiction without relapsing.
>>48633815I want to see a mainline Touhou game where the PC has to visit the outside world to solve an incident.
>>48641182I think the closest we'll get is ULiL because the Sumireko arc is pretty much definitively over, and I don't think ZUN will ever bring Maribel into the games so it'll probably never happen. I do at the very least just want to see a short little thing like Gold Rush just jammed out for interesting concepts Reimu, or I guess now Marisa since she can do that, accidentally astral projecting into the outside world.
>>48641612When did Marisa gain astral projection into the outside world?
>>48641892Sorry, I should have worded it better. She can somehow astral project now, which could theoretically be used to go into the outside world. It was partly a joke about the newest LE chapter rather than a serious thought and assumption that's one of her new skills.
>>48633547/thread.
>>48638320The thing is that Outside World and Gensokyo suck in mostly the same ways. The only real differences are scale and tech level, and the latter one is mostly aesthetic since it's often replicated with magic.
>>48642491>and the latter one is mostly aesthetic since it's often replicated with magic.It's not. At least in the human village.
>>48642941Should've specified that I'm specifically talking about things that suck, and with those magic is replicating manmade horrors.
Bump
>>48633694>>This isn't how the afterlife works in Touhou.>You literally can't go to heaven in Gensokyo. This is established canon.Anon your thing is implying that being in the real world means you go to atheist death, but in Gensokyo you go to heaven, reincarnation, or hell. If Gensokyo was real though, you'd still end up at the yama or some form of afterlife though.
>>48645331The least you could do is acknowledge any other post in this thread practically bursting at the seams with either interesting ideas to engage with or ideas to shit on, tumortard.
>>48645382Given that Eiki Shiki handles all afterlife matters for Gensokyo, how many other yamas and jurisdictions are there?
>>48633385If i got isekaid into Gensokyo i would probably get killed trying to become a magician. Either getting Fortune Teller'd, getting scammed by some youkai, or justing blowing my head off with a spell who went wrong.
>>48645941becoming a magician isn't worthwhile, you expose yourself to arsenic and shit like marisa says in WaHH so your body would become really weak like Patchouli'sit's much more worth it to become a hermit
>>48645965Can a hermit shoot fireballs?
>>48645965Also, i am pretty sure that a magician can not die of natural cases, while a hermit lives long but still dies. Also a magician does not need to eat or sleep, those body functions comes from the 3 gay worms inside you tricking you to sleep to tell your sins to god or some shit.
>>48633385>Heaven is impossibleYour can literally become a celestial with hermit training>>48645941Still worth trying tho becoming a magician just seems fun and as cringe as it sounds my childhood dream was to become a wizard.>>48645965But you do still become an immortal yokai and as a hermit you get attacked by agents from hell>>48646151Magicians can live a long time but do tend to eventually die or ascend to the celestial realm. Tho Seiga has been around over a 1000 years as a wicked Hermit so who knows if it's long enough to be functionally forever. But unlike a magician where it's permanent if you get to many attachments as a hermit you just like instantly die.>>48646140Not sure. But they can become undead liches and change their apearence lol.
>>48633385>Bitching and moaning about Gensokyo using HEADCANON Low effort bait.
I don't care how big the Youkai is, I cast fireball!
>>48646291>Still worth trying tho becoming a magician just seems fun and as cringe as it sounds my childhood dream was to become a wizMy childhood dream was to become a necromancer. And i guess since Alice can use her magic to control puppets i guess you could use the same logic to control dead meat puppets.
>>48646384For me it was reading lord of the rings and the Wizardology book from the school library. I wanted to be like gandalf and even made a wand from a tree I found in the woods and tried studying runes a bit as well. Before I realized literally nothing would happen
>>48646397For me was playing Skyrim as a wizard and using the necromancy spells on the enemies i just killed. Its a shame that very few games do this. The only other game i remember that allows you to revive an enemy to fight for you like that is Path of Exile.
>>48646291>Magicians can live a long time but do tend to eventually die or ascend to the celestial realmByakuren explicitly became a magician to gain immortality (and eternal youth), so as far as we know, a fully accomplished mage can live forever, in theorysomething tells me that the Yamas like Eiki are not very fond of mages, because they can pretty much be as evil as possible and avoid punishment as long as they don't get killed. It's said that the ministry calls hits on celestials (which are basically super hermits) for living too long, I wonder if a 1000+ years old mage also gets nice tea visits from them as well>>48645965wasn't kasen the one who said that?but take anything that a 2hu says with a grain of salt. Patchouli's sickness is implied to be the result of lack of vitamins, exercise, and sleep>>48646151they do still need to maintain their 'human' bodies, else they get sick. See Byakuren, Alice, and Marisa, they are shown to be very active and healthy, meanwhile Patchouli's greatest exercise in a day is flipping pages
>>48646423>they do still need to maintain their 'human' bodies, else they get sickthe flesh is weak, but the spirit is strong
>>48646423I meant Hermits live forever but aren't 100% immortal I'm just stupid and mix up words in my sentences when typing.
>>48646423>wasn't kasen the one who said that?No, that was Marisa after Kasen explained a bunch of materials that are produced in Old Hell
>>48646528And to be even more specific, Kasen says that the desire to kill produces arsenic, while other desires produces other stuff in regard to a discussion about vengeful spirits from old hellMarisa immediately interjects that arsenic is poisonus and is why a bunch of magicians have weak bodies. I recall that they show both Alice and Patchouli in the background.
>>48645941yeah that's the way. either become a magician or die trying, but you'll never find me tending the village fields.>>48645965>your body would become really weak like Patchouli'swhat if my body's already really weak?
>>48646423Marisa does not really count in those discussions because she is a human that knows magic, not a real magician that vomited the 3 worms.
>>48646423Imagine being some giga magician that lived for thousands of years, but since your body is still a shitty human body you die because slipped, fell and broke your neck.
>>48647066That's why Patchouli floats everywhere.
>>48646500happens to the best of us>>48646528>>48646546Ah, thanks>I recall that they show both Alice and Patchouli in the background.yes, it does>>48647034dont bully the half fairy!>>48647066do you think the yama that would judge the now deceased mage would at least crack a smirk when they see the mortem cause?
>>48647034We also don't even know if that process to becoming a magician is even real. Marisa will never give up food for example but she came dangerously close to accidentally becoming one without using that technique.
Love the idea people trying to argue they’d go full Isekai and somehow bullshit their way into becoming an immortal magician/hermit god in this world where people who do have constant access to this stuff and actually become high ranking magic users number in the 10’s. Face it buddy, you’re gonna get gapped and either immediately get gangraped by a bunch of low level fairies and sent to hyper Buddhist Hell for one time farting in a butterfly or crawl up to the Hakurei Shrine and beg Reimu to send you back to your 9-5 job at CVS. You’re not built for this.
>>48646140Almost every 2hu could shoot fireballs and it would look pretty normal, for example Futo has her Blaze Sign.idk if shooting the fireball bullet counts but a decent amount of characters use it.>>48647729>do you think the yama that would judge the now deceased mage would at least crack a smirk when they see the mortem cause?Yama: you made my day so you'll only get sentenced for half a trillion years for burning that orphanage.>>48648238idk where the god part comes from but most people here are in the I'll try category rather than going full isekai.> hyper Buddhist Hell for one time farting in a butterfly I don't think Eiki has lectured anyone about anything similar, but farting inside a butterfly isn't a common fetish after all.Dunno if irl Buddhism cosmology is any better(I guess it also depends on the sect and so on)>You’re not built for this.Doesn't matter because it won't happen but some people enjoy daydreaming I guess. It's only bad if you stop doing things with your life because you actually expect to leave this world.
>>48648238Nah i'd win.Nothing better than an underdog story after all.Also i'd rather become youkai food than paying taxes ever again.
>>48648238Considering that Buddha tried to save a guy from hell just because he decided to go out of his way to not step on a turtle i do not think Hell is going to be that bad. At least it is not going to be permanent hell like the Christian one.
>>48648535>>48648510>At least it’s not a permanent hell like the Christian hell Oh yeah it ain’t eternity, only like 10 quadrillion years… so much better >>48648510Like dude, There’s a Buddhist hell so specific it’s for women who just menstruate, and that can literally last for millions to trillions of years. Just for women existing, the butterfly thing is if anything too kind. Hell, in canon, the limbo land where children who die in childbirth get sent to be beat up by Oni while they stack rocks still exists, so I guarantee the more fucked up petty hells still are around.
>>48648654Well good thing you are a man. It seems that for men you will only really go to hell if you killed someone, you go to super hell if you kill a family member or a religious person, and for seducing a religious perso. Despite your average anon's masturbatory habits i do not think most of us would be deserving of going to hell.
>>48648707>well good thing you are a man
>IMG
>>48651409That’s how you know a woman posted it.
>>48654920Kasen threads are being shat up by a 3dpd...
>>48651409What sin did we commit to create iPhone posters?
>>48651409I've yet to ever see a post starting with that filename naming convention that hasn't been or was immediately followed by the most underaged posters imaginable. >>48655508If it makes you feel any better, a vast majority of these tablet babies will end up severely brain damaged. It's not a thought that makes me feel any better, it's easily one the most depressing thoughts I've ever had in my entire life, but this is 4chan and you might be jaded enough or alone enough to not have a relative retarded enough to raise their child on one of those like the anon mentioned here.
>>48633465>how do you feel when you are in a dreamless sleep?>that's right, nothing but a peaceful voidUm no nigger there is a time skip and you are immediately awake the next day. this "peaceful void" you speak of is literally just you in your bed with your eyes closed, in the dark, still awake before you actually fall asleep. fucking retard.>>48633642>The reason people invented afterlives is to cope with life endingthe reward/punishment afterlives of the major surviving religions are 100% invented to control society. the actual afterlife is dreamlike, informed by memories and expectation, given how the mind behaves in situations where it is deprived of bodily sensations. it can be good, neutral, or nightmarish, regardless of any specific moral standard.
>>48633547>that to me seems like one of the biggest reasons not to go to GensokyoAgreed. Family and paying back the debt owed to the family is why I'd say no if given the choice, but if I were gapped today I'd come to terms and try to make the best of it. Now if I was like a typical isekai protag living alone with no connection to family and working a dead end job, it'd be a no brainer and I'd put my chances in man eating monsters over a life of gay corporate drudgery. Even for Gensokyo Humans I'd imagine family and obligations to them keep them from doing similar risks, that's before mentioning asian familial culture too; people like Marisa are exceptions to the rule.In any case, the biggest danger isn't the Youkai, it's the language barrier. >>48645894From the wording of the PMiSS article for Yama, it's Yama (former Jizo) judging the dead of their local jurisdictions. I'd think of it as Yama divided into judging municipalities or subprefectures. Outside of Japan I've got no clue how the metaphysics works. That's a question for Hecatia.
>>48655673>the actual afterlife is dreamlike, informed by memories and expectation, given how the mind behaves in situations where it is deprived of bodily sensations. it can be good, neutral, or nightmarish, regardless of any specific moral standard.You're talking about people who didn't go through brain death, we don't know what happens after that because nobody's returned from it.
>>48655765>You're talking about people who didn't go through brain deathi didn't mention ndes and wasn't thinking of them when i typed that out.>we don't know what happens after that because nobody's returned from it.we can make reasonable guesses. heckin eternal void is not a good guess, its quite retarded even assuming materialism. given an infinite amount of time it is statistically guaranteed that whatever assortment of matter generated your consciousness will occur again. given that we don't experience gaps of consciousness, you will immediately exist again right after dying, regardless if it took the heat death of the universe and another big bang from quantum fluctuations for said assortment of matter to happen again. for it to be an eternal nothingness, you will have to explain why individual consciousness is tied to a specific body in a specific timeframe. said body not even being made up of the same matter throughout its lifetime but instead will be made up of completely different matter every 5 years or so. that sounds very soul-like.
>>48655818>you will immediately exist again right after dyingHard to say if that would be me or not.
>>48655818Interesting, but:>given an infinite amount of timeThis is not given, universe's shelf-life might be finite. Likewise, individual consciousness might have some limits to its lifespan, with too much information gathered (including useless clutter) over time causing a total breakdown of emergent system that was responsible for your consciousness. If that was true, then you would be unable to infinitely continue as fully (you), requiring from time to time shedding parts of (you) or reverting back to some previous (you). Perhaps we should study consciousness of Turritopsis dohrnii.>if it took the heat death of the universe and another big bang from quantum fluctuations for said assortment of matter to happen againShould the rules of nature (or any of universal constants, even) change in between, then it's not guaranteed that such assortment of matter could happen again. And since any rules governing change of such proportions are unknown to us, it's not impossible that once the change happens, those rules and constants can never go back to any form they previously held.
Dont worry guys when i die i will come back to tell you what really happens
>>48648654>picrelI think that's one of the few things big religions mostly agree.>Just for women existing, the butterfly thing is if anything too kind. My new fav Eiki line "You'll go to hell for being a w*man" said in every route as Fate of Sixty Years starts playing.Agree that buddhist number autism is absurd but sutras usually have stuff like "how to avoid this punishment" and you have bodhisattvas saving and guiding people in hell and so on... But I don't know much about buddhism, so maybe they can answer you better in a shizo thread.In Abrahamic religions everyone is born with sin, if you happen to not know the religion or disregard it the punishment is eternal torment(or destruction of the soul depending on who you ask).Except Islam afaik where apparently the default afterworld assigned upon birth isn't the bad one.tl;dr: religious cosmology sucks if you don't know the rules.> the limbo land where children who die in childbirth get sent to be beat up by OniAnd it's different from the average descriptions you get, just like you have a ferry(Greek probs) with a Shinigami(The reaper inspired one) instead of a bridge. Ebisu didn't die in childbirth either, nor do I know of any relation of the kami irl with the Sanzu river.>so I guarantee the more fucked up petty hells still are around.The only lake of blood we've seen seems unrelated and is in former hell. At least from some other anons you should have heard something along the lines of "ZUN doesn't know jack shit about buddhism" and so on, no ten realms, no six paths, illumination and heaven merged in a weird way etc...Animal realm isn't supposed to be a in hell but be it's clear distinct thing, no religion has magic flying lolis shooting lazers afaik, idk if any buddhist sect has Hakugyokurou and the goddess of hell is Hecate, it's clearly not 1:1tl;dr: People don't have to follow canon when they are making fanon of a religion, even in irl religions disagree and consider different scriptures to be canon or not.>>48655508Guess phoneposting explains the misquote.>>48655818>given an infinite amount of time it is statistically guaranteed that whatever assortment of matter generated your consciousness will occur again.By that logic if there's an assortment of matter identical to you at the same would you have 2 bodies at the same time, or how would that case work?>>48660209Thanks for taking one for the team bud. We appreciate it.
>>48660209And on the third day, anon will return.
>>48662095Then i will turn around and go back to sleep. I will be awake around 4 am on the forth day.
