Discussion concerning Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana, TRianThology, and all other 07th Expansion works.► 07th Expansion links: rentry.co/07th-expPrevious thread: >>48630187
This is the thread
Blessed thread
threads became a lot less interesting when you faggots shippers started posting OPs 50 posts early just so you could "win"
>>48659456Are you trying to say this one is interesting since it was made only 10 posts early?
>>48659465I think he is
Lmao
Have some peace and post your favorite soundtrackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vNgSJmuCLw
Soon.
kuso thread
kami thread
>>48659388Posting the original
I'm getting way too carried away with NAI now..
fuck ai antichrist
>>48659992You are loved, Rikafriend.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9893659anyone know where I can find this song?
>>48659992Without love it can't be seen
>>48659849>original
There are many crests but there is only 1 one winged eagle.
>>48660240https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70klHdh8l8o
Bernkastel or Lambdadelta.You must choose correctly.
>>48661212BernkastelDoggystyleSpanking, Tailpull, Creampie & Impregnation
>>48661174thanks!
>>48661212Lambdadelta Cowgirl Kissing and cuddling
>>48661387Getting your spine pulled doesn't sound very pleasant.
>>48662468Witches are freaky. Maybe I'll get my femur pretzel twisted in return. Worth it though.
>>48661212Satoko.
>>48662733That's not Satoko, that's her aunt.
>>48663169Uncle* tho
>>48663176t. chudtoko
>>48662733So, Lambdadelta then.
>>48663418Lady Reddit is Takano
Satoko*.
>>48663817>>48663418wait, that means Teppei also fucked THIS?
>>48661387>>48662460Difference between the BRUTISH Bernlover and the ROMANTIC and GENTLEMANLY Lambdaliker.
>>48663817Takano*
>>48663958Troonppei is incel anon, she never had sex.
@48664185Yeah, fanart is more canon than Gou/Sotsu.
This isn't discord umieddtor, also yes
>>48664556Who?
>>48664454Lambdadelta doesn't make an appearance in Gou/Sotsu, unless you are referring to Takano's cameo.
Satoko is Lambdadelta and she appeared in Gou and Sotsu.
>>48664639SWNBR (Satoko will never be reddit)
There is nothing in Gou that suggest Satoko is Lambdadelta
Everything in Gou and Sotsu suggests it.
>>48664801well she didn't say anything about Sotsu
>>48664801Cute Takano.
Why are there F/M shippers here? You must be a cuck.
>>48664916Furfur/Mionshippersbros... Is this true?
>>48664916Kill yourself yuritroon
>>48664825She didn't say anything about Gou either, or even Higurashi if I remember correctly. I might be mistaken but I recall that the only character who namedropped Higurashi was Bern.
Takano is cute, sure, but you may need to get your eyes checked, as that is Lambdatoko.Also, when I typed "she", I was referring to you, not Lambda. Your reading comprehension needs work.
>>48664916>>48664933Based samefag stirring up drama about dead yurishit
>>48664965Looks like Takano to me>when I typed "she", I was referringWhy didn't you type "you" instead of "she" then?
>>48664971>>48664965>>48664916>>48663958>>48662733Why is she like this?
>>48664994>Why is you like this?What did he mean by this?
>>48664994Transfolx are known to love yuri and lesbians.
i don't particularly care what shit ryukishi is pushing about her origins i just want to fuck lambda
>>48665001Anon's black.
>>48665033What did you expect he's literally from morocco LMAO
>>48665037Eeeeew. Bye.
Literally 34. Ryu spent hours setting up her backstory with her name as the linchpin of her motivation.A mountain of post-hoc evidence comparing Lambda and Satoko will never overcome the purity of the name, the essence of the character.Though you're probably just trolling the shitokofag sure.
>A mountain of post-hoc evidenceYeah, fuck evidence, I hate it.
>>48665082In this case one piece of obvious truth is greater than a mountain of circumstantial points. She is 34.
>>48665075Shion broke you.
>>48665106>one piece of obvious truthThere were some in Sotsu !
>>48665044Loli Rena sexo
>>48664955The only time Bern outright mentions "Higurashi" is when threatening to spoil the culprit of a video game Lambda was playing. What Bern and Lambda both do mention are events that sound similar.to Rika's situation in Higurashi as Bern's backstory, without using any names - but the manga does include visual flashbacks with Rika, Hanyuu and even Rika's father once (the Umineko stage also included an actor playing Rika's father), while the VN used a track that originated in Higurashi when Lambda talks about it in ep6. For Lambda/Takano's side, in a side story you have her meeting and blessing (in a school background) someone who sounds like Takano/Miyoko. On the other hand, for the Satoko side, even in the OG Umineko, you have her using a pie puzzle similar to the one Keiichi uses on Satoko to keep her distracted in an oni game in Onikakushi, and then Bern outright calls her out because she's using something she fell for before. Also, although not a direct connection a lot of Lambda/Bern interactions like threatening punishment games is straight out of the way the club interacts. The little we learn about Lambda's human life is that she either had no father or bad relationship with him, she read the manga Galaxy Express 999, which ran in the late 70s early 80s, when she was a human, before being a witch, and couldn't understand the immortal villains there before becoming a witch. She also describes herself (back when she was a human) as a daredevil.The 07th Expansion All Character Settings Collection mention a Higurashi fragment is very nostalgic to both Lambda and Bern, and the Hotarubi prologue also mentions Lambda is nostalgic for Hinamizawa.Then you have all Gou/Sotsu stuff which ends with Satoko and Rika making the departure speech used by Lambda and Bern in Umineko, basically settling it, with the story being basically an explanation for the start of their bond even if you think Lambda existed in a regocnizable form already before the Satoko stuff (as opposed to still going by Vier like Eua thought). I don't fault most people disregarding the Satoko theories before Gou/Sotsu, but I think at this point in spite of the Takano/Miyoko voice/name reference (even the eye color connection is often dumped in redesigns).
>>48659325https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/126087594
>>48665338holy shit how long has it been since this guy's drawn something non-fetish relatedshame it's such a tiny resolution because i sure do like the idea
>>48665273I disregard Sotsu. It's so out of character and bland. Just doing a "say the line" thing doesn't make me clap and smirk at the Umi reference I recognize. Sotsutoko at the end acts nothing like jovial and traumatized, clingy Lambda.I've always thought they were pieces of the gameboard that Lambda was playing, Takano was her piece and therefor named after her. That original Higurashi was the abandoned game that went on for far too long and trapped everyone. Not this weird already yuri thing that Lambda herself supposedly starts up and ends arbitrarily. Lambda was supposed to grow attached to Bern cause they shared a similar trauma of being trapped.Bern too, was that meta speaker from Minagoroshi and the epilogue not Bernkastel before receiving her name? That's what seems to be implied, even harder on the anime and manga side as well. That Bern was definitely not the Rika who is possibly a witch? that was born from sotsu.
>>48665391>Not this weird already yuri thing that Lambda herself supposedly starts up and ends arbitrarilywon't lie, if anything sotsu made me see bern and lambda's relationship as less romantic retroactively, and that shit's SUPPOSED to feel that way
>>48665398I think the life lesson Ryukishi was trying to force with Satoko learning to live on her own without relying on Rika or the club was artifically grafted onto the Bern/Lambda origin story where Lambda has to be obsessed. So you get two conflicting outcomes at the same time. One for the stupid moral lesson and the other that leads into Umineko.
The Jessica shrine is nearly complete. Just need to figure out some Rog Limitation elements to add
>>48665438How much would I have to pay you to cum on her tits?
>>48665442Some things money can't buy, Anon
I always assumed Lambda was both Satoko and Takano to represent how volatile her relationship is to Bern, being both Rika's true love and enemy. But with Satoko "updated" to be more antagonistic, the Takano aspect is now vestigial. Pretty clear R07 just makes shit up as he goes along.
>>48665727they both had references to 34, so it moreso made sense for that to be the case than this weirdass thing of throwing takano out and making lambda the exact same sort of witch as bern, which also removes the whole aspect of lambda's fascination over bern's origin in the first placeit's fundamentally just worse in every way
>>48665727>Rika's true love FUCKING LMAO
>>48665438I'm surprised she even has merch
>>48665438Based Jessicabro.
I love Umineko
>>48665727My theory is that Satoko is Jestress (real name Mitsuyo), and one of LD3105 CCP personalities, with Vier being another one.Both of them met Eua at some point, though she has difficulty distinguishing between them, but the Jestress/Mitsuyo personality managed to escape her original world and traverse the Sea of Fragments, eventually losing her former identity and becoming Satoko in Rika's game.Takano is related to the Vier personality, but instead of being a true continuation of Vier, Takano is just a reflection of the original character, just like how Tomitake reflects Toujirou and other characters in the franchise reference each other. Legally, she's a different person, but from a meta perspective, she's obviously modelled after the original Vier Dreißig with similar (but not the exact same) traits.
New Mei stuff:Angel Mort Miyuki:https://files.catbox.moe/y29266.txt
>>48666413
>>48666413Oh, finally Angel Mort Miyuki after they skipped her when doing the og angel Mort alts. I wonder if we'll get any dark Awakening or dark monster since they skipped characters there too, then again none of the post-ending content has had any conflict so far.
>>48666231Me too sister!
>>48666413I thought that was a female Keiichi at first glance.
>>48666494Storywise, Miyuki is supposed to be Rika level flat although the artists basically don't draw her like that outside of the first few cards. In this story, Nao stops just short from saying that seeing Miyuki in an Angel Mort uniform reminded her of Keiichi cross dressing as part of the punishment games.
>>48665752Lambda being interested in Bern because they had the same/similar origin was always the point though.You can interpret it as them having separate but similar origins, which is how most people used to interpret this line, but the way she talks about it here the literal reading is them both coming from the same hell.
>>48665752I guess R07 wants to make Rika and Satoko into "mascots" of WTC, so Lambda's connections to Higurashi were simplified. But yeah, it doesn't really do anything for either work. How GouSotsu shits on Higurashi is old hat, but its not like Satoko being Lambda really adds anything to Umineko. It's just kinda there.
>>48666231Chad.>>48666481Irony-poisoned teenager.
>>48666413>>48666421Why is she seducing her own dad?
>nippon "humor"
>Bernkastel: Your father, mother, and of course Battler...will never return to you again...and will never speak your name again.Using the power of logic, one can deduce that to never speak Battler's name AGAIN one would have to speak Battler's name in the first place. Stillborn babies can't speak. All that's left to argue over if -our- Battler returned to Ange - sure he might not in a literal sense have returned to Ange(who, if we're splitting hairs, came to him) at the beginning of the magic ending, but he does return at the very end. So either the red text is wrong, or there is another "Battler" who "did not RETURN" to Ange, who did not speak Ange's name AGAIN.
>>48667680Implying it's a mere funny moment instead of Ryukishi clearly establishing the lust each girl feels for Keiichi
>>48667680the lack of hanyuu in this k1 thirst image is concerning
>>48667200It's Miyuki wanting to be an angel Mort waitress, feeling left out because all the other girls had been praised for it, but they said it doesn't fit her because she's flat (those breats are pads according to the story) meanwhile Mamoru visits it and for once someone acts like a real person from the 80s would, wondering why minors are dressed as whores and even working there at all (thus why he covers up Miyuki with a jacket). Although in the end Mion somehow calms him down off-screen with some kind of excuse.
>>48667691Even as if to address the ambiguity of returning, before the grand magic scene, we see that Battler did return. At the very very very very VERY least, this is proof positive that saying >Battlerin the red text refers to someone who has to be identifying as Battler - that identity death is indeed something that can happen.But since Ange's onii-chan also refers to her by her name(albiet a new name she took on), I'm chalking it up to there being a second Battler.
>>48667691>>48667721I think a lot of people miss that the red truth is explicitly only for facilitating witch games and isn't like, some actual law of reality.The game was well over by the time Ange re-united with Battler.
>>48667748Not so fast! Even if you want to get anal and ignore characters using the red text in ????, well after an individual "game" concludes, The red applies to the story as a whole as well!>Beato wanted you to solve it, so she made this game...the riddles of this tale...solvable.I don't think Beato would want someone who cared about Jessica to solve any riddles, but my point stands!
>>48667829"This game and "this tale" could be referring to, well, the game Umineko no Naku Koro ni itself. Or what, is now where we draw the line with meta? We can powerwank Featherine up to infinity but we can't say "the mystery game as a whole has solvable riddles?"
>>48667835>>48667829>>48667748ALSO tautologies that don't apply to an individual "game" itself are demonstrated in red - such as>Van Dine's Twenty Rules, Rule #7. It is forbidden to have a crime without a corpse.So uh - yeah I think the red text affects the entire context of the story. Green text, details and trivia outside the fourth wall, are featured if you remember them
>>48664121It is what it is. With witches there is no retreat and no mercy.
>>48667835Yeah, if you ignore the part where it says Beato wrote it, which she only did for EP 1-4. You can just write your Jessica fanfic for the fun of it, you don't need to invent plot holes to fill in to grant your fanfic a sense of legitimacy.
>>48667680Having a penis is unbelievable comedy to the Japanese.
>>48667694>>48667703Still waiting for Ryukishi to release the TRUE version of Reiwa where all the girls are married to K1 at the same time
>>48667863This is my favorite Bern art.
https://x.com/paulimiel/status/1877777493765058977OMG yurisister win <3
>>48668693Horrible fan art aside, this has more chances of happening than SatoKei
>>48669179Maybe on planet retard.
>>48667938isn't it only 1-2 Beatrice wrote?
Does Hanyuu also get her memories scrambled in-between loops? In Matsuribayashi it seems like she also forgot Takano was the culprit until she insults Hanyuu. I guess that would explain things but I don't know if that's consistent
>>48671658In "real-life" aka Prime, Sayo only wrote 1-2, yeah. But I'm referring to Beatrice being the GM of EP 1-4. The authorship of the games is kind of a mess and I don't think Ryukishi gave a shit working it out until the manga.
>>48668693ban westoids from drawing
Just according to cake.
>>48671960Umineko prime would be a first person adventure
Remember that in the OFFICIAL ANIME that K1 and Rena fucked so hard that the entire room was covered with their fluids.
>>48666231Based
>>48666231You forgot to tell everyone that you're a hecking valid woman now!
Her queefs...
>>48671876She loses her memories from before Rika's death, like Rika herself. Yeah.
>>48672533....no?
>>48672387
>>48672341What does this nonsense have to do with me liking Umineko though?
>>48672590Umineko turns a significant portion of its readers into trannys. That's just a fact.
How many of you here are trans?
>>48672637me
>>48672546No need, I am dying soon anyway!
>>48672609>That's just a fact.Prove it!
>>48672609But the tranny you posted didn't read Umineko
>>48672649Troonppei-chan...
Tsumihoroboshi was hated when it first came out, to the point where Ryukishi wrote a blogpost whining about it. I'm curious as to why. It doesn't reflect on its EGS scores, so I guess reception improved over time?
>>48672840Weebs like WTC way more than actual Japanese people.
>>48671876She merely pretends. Taco calling her a monster just pissed her off so much that she "remembered" that she was the killer.
>>48672848Fair. I would imagine the console releases helped improve opinions over time due to having less amateur presentation.
>>48672900i love the cute smiles of the og sprites
>>48672848Even then when the DEEN anime was made Tsumi was made into the big finale, otaku must have changed their mind at some point.
>>48672848The average Japanese has worse taste than a homeless guy who only drinks malt liquor. Their best minds are pretty incredible, but their average is pathetic. No, Ryukishi is not one of their best minds.
>>48672840It might've been because of the TIPS revealing everything went to shit the very next day. I can get how that'd be frustrating for people to end on. I think even the DEEN anime holds off on that info until Season 2.
>>48672993>malt liquorReminder that Ovaltine is still the only correct way to drink malt
>>48672957>>Even then when the DEEN anime was made Tsumi was made into the big finaleIt was a mistake to cram 6 chapters in 26 episodes.>>48672993The average human has trash tastes in general.
>>48672609I have noticed this trend
>>48672840Comiket audience really isn't the same as general audience. It's the Comiket audience that r07 was reacting to there.Heck, see also Mion winning the later Higurashi 07th Expansion popularity polls but Rena, Rika and Hanyuu all having more merch than her.
>>48672668>mere proximity to an umineko character can cause one to transitionGrim.
>>48673217yeah, >>48672795 is a proof of that
>>48672542When Rika talks about trying to remember her death at the hands.of Takano in Minagoroshi she tells Hanyuu to look at her and remember, so it made it sound like both were in the same situation. There's also the old Minagoroshi interview where r07 alluded to a darker side of Hanyuu. R07 didn't talk about how she should remember who killed Rika, he talked about she easily should be able to follow the culprit due to being invisible, but doesn't do that for some reason.
>>48673244When did Troonppei-chan met Yasu?
>>48673335Troonppei was the maid holding baby Sayo.
I wish I could be a witch...
>>48673456Battler...
>>48673267>for some reason.
>>48673456Shut the fuck up
>>48673567Hitting Maria is useless, years of practice made her the master of the u-ukemi.
>>48674000rosa fears the day maria learns how to parry
Matsuribayashi and to a lesser extent Minagoroshi have a bit of a dream logic feel to them. While Ooishi is hemming and hawing over to help, Hanyuu shows up to talks to him, Ooishi acknowledges her, and everyone moves on without any surprise over a deity showing up
need bern
If you're in a position like Yasu was, is there actually any coming back from that? And don't just say therapy, be more specific.
>>48676208her best bet is probably just saying fuck it and leaving her current life behind, sticking around is doing nothing for her and she has more than enough gold to make it possiblebasically she should've actually pulled off the I=Y theory
>>48676208I think from her exact position in life on November 29th 1984, the only route is pure degeneracy. Go down the Kinzo route and become a nasty alcoholic, but replace Beatrice with Battler. I'd kinda like to see that fragment, and what Battler might try to do about his cousin-aunt's madness.
>>48659325SEXTOKO
>>48676208I think if someone intervened then she could've been saved. I always found it weird as hell that Genji is motivated by guilt but doesn't even try to steer her from her path.
>>48676208Spiritual salvation is always possible.
>>48677010Rika is polytheistic, she probably thinks your meme religion is weird.
>>48677475Stop making overly adversarial assumptions about the most simple statement.Salvation exists through all good and moral religions like Shinto. Especially those who follow Oyashiro-sama.
>>48677505My bad, I thought you were the Christian Rikafag.
>>48676792Calm down K1
Do you know Oyashiro Sama
>>48677509Maybe who you're thinking of is an amalgamation of me and someone else.I just think rather than modern therapy or drugs or hedonism, Yasu could be most positively impacted by looking for spiritual guidance. Or you know, come on down to Hinamizawa to float your sins down the river. Taste a bit of rural life. The same way K1 got himself together.
>>48677721k1 got himself together after a lot of violent brutal events happened to him and he only developed because he got fragment memories in Tsumihorobshinot because he floated his sins down the river
>>48677736No I mean he starts changing from his cityboy life pretty much immediately. The rural life helps him deal with his guilt and pressure and turns him into a pretty social guy in months.
>>48677759yeah you are right
>>48677694YESHINAMIZAWA
Why does this image cause /07/th to sperg out when it's the most milquetoast romcom plot ever?>girl wants guy to be more proactive with her>they are at a beach>so she walks around to make him jealous cause other guys think she is hotThis shit was in Archie 60 years ago it's not new
again?
>>48677721>send Sayo to live in the country to clear her mind>she gets Hinamizawa Syndrome
>>48677694yeah i had sex with her
>>48678930>Girl who you have a crush on is showing off her body for other men to the point where they're flirting with her and following her around all while said girl is loving the attention from these other men It's fucking gross anon. If a girl likes you she wouldn't want to do that
>>48679101I FUCK YOU YOU FUCK ME
>>48678930>cause /07/th to sperg outLiterally one guy with a grudge against Mion who causes 100 reply arguments.
>>48679371Real women are gross, Kim-san.
>>48679371>Girl is trying to make you jealous so you try harderseems like genuinge 3d woman behaviour if you ask me
>>48679471>>48679555Which is why I only love 2D girls. I don't want this NTR trash in my anime or visual novels and I'm never going to support Mion acting like a disgusting 3D whore
>>48679555But the story is in 2d
does anything happen with rika in higu reiwa? shit was boring as fuck so i havent bothered to keep up with it but just curious what it's about now
I guess this makes beating the Mountain Dogs a little more plausible. Mion beating Okonogi is still retarded tho
>>48679588You're a fucking incel lmao
MIONBROS RISE UP, WE WILL DEFEAT THE SATOKO SPAMMERS!!
>>48679695how tho
>>48677721>Or you know, come on down to Hinamizawa to float your sins down the river. Taste a bit of rural life.What does this entail exactly?
>>48679695Shitoko btfo
>>48679740You mean entrail?
>>48679701By calling them incels for not liking NTR is how!!!
>>48679753That's literally ShiToko bro
Hanyu paizuri
>>48679836
>>48679101How was italso is it possible for me to also copulate with hanyuu because i'd really like to do so
>>48680181So this is the kind of book that Battler reads hundred's of.
>>48679773meifags, is the demon real?
>>48676918i've always presumed the guy felt suicidal over all the shit he's caused both accidentally and purposefully, so when the girl who is practically the manifestation of his actions comes up to him and says "i wanna fucking kill everyone, including you and me" he was probably more down for it than yasu herself
>>48679598She eventually gets out of the hospital in the final arc and helps resolve the mystery and catch the villains. But if you mean character development or any new resolution regarding her life, mope.
>>48679598She fucks the main villain alongside the rest of the girls mentally breaking him from too much sex with Keiichi calling him his soul brother
>>48680537Kind of? Magic view is that it's real, in fact, it's real enough it immobilized Shion, non-magic view is that it's just a dellusion reflecting Mion's mind at that point and it's all Mion's doing. During the final chapter of the main plot Miyuki basically manages to make an evil fragment hopper (note she was moving physically between worlds, not like Rika) and everything she did disappear by denying most of Mei's super natural antics and giving real world explanations for them (although "Hinamizawa syndrome" delusion counted as denying magic here) and it actually worked when the enemy started questioning herself. She just weakened and then vanished without traces by the end since she wasn't someone who was meant to naturally in that world. Tamura and Kazuho in the sea of fragments later on comment that Miyuki's explanations weren't necessarily right though.
>>48681335They don't "fuck" him
>>48681335Please tell me you're joking
>>48681335this would have been a better ending than what we got
>>48681335Which girl gave Marutake the sloppiest Rimjob?
>>48681360Miyuki starts dumping small bomb theories? Sounds fun.
>>48681596Mion
>>48681567It's a retarded S&M joke where they string up the villain and punish him with whips and leather.Absolutely braindead way to end a serious mystery story. But this schizo is mental about it, he will say it's a sex orgy everytime and swore a blood vengeance against Ryu because of it.
>>48681567They dress up in BSDM attire and they presumably sexually torture him offscreen.
Can't he sexualize the Umineko girls a little bit more? I want to jerk off
>>48681846This is on par with this>>48678930Just pure NTR garbage what the fuck is Ryukishis problem?
>>48681979>equating multiple middle aged women doing BDSM to a teenager walking around in a bikiniYou may in fact be retarded
Is there anywhere with the Japanese lyrics for Brand New Way Broadway?
>>48681846Why does Mion have the Shocker logo?
>>48682309>to a teenager walking around in a bikiniHe was talking about Mion not Rena.
How many people prefer the manga to the VN? The manga not having Ryukishi's ridiculously drawn-out prose is a huge benefit. Admittedly, Umineko EP 8 is a bit apples to oranges since the manga has a different philosophy from the VN.
>>48685498For Higurashi I preferred the visual novel all the way (although I did the sacrilegious thing that was replacing most slice of life tracks with songs from ko-ko-ya and bohemianvodoo for the question arcs). The Manga is good enough but I personally like the long slice of life sequences and the voice acting of the console release adds a lot. My biggest problem with the VN that isn't present in the other versions is that I don't find any of the 3 art styles to be fitting. For Umineko I prefer the visual novel too with the exception of arc 4 which is immensely better in the Manga due to cutting all the shitty parts, pacing it better and having the best art style out of the 8 arcs.Currently at season 4 of Rose Guns Days in the VN and on season 2 of the manga, but so far prefer the visual novel much more.Haven't finished the visual novel of Higanbanna but already went over the content that the light novel and manga covers. I preferred the Manga version in this case, the art reminds of Nejimaki Kagyuu and the visual novel didn't really fix any pacing issues despite releasing later but they do add se more dreary parts which is why I feel that they're almost on equal terms.
>>48685498Episode 8 of Umineko is definitely better in the manga. The VN acted like Yasu's self-deluding behavior was good instead of being incredibly self-destructive. The manga did a total 180 on that, and it improved the story immensely. >>48685698Higanbana is super short, so a manga seems kind of unnecessary.
>>48687835Well the Manga of Higanbanna came prior the visual novel in this case so I can understand it as a visual aide for light novel readers. But I really like the way it looks.
>>48682705Is there really nowhere with this? Not even a file within the game or pamphlet with it?
Higurashi really criticizes Japanese nationalism in the VN, huh. I guess it's no surprise Ryukishi would troon out real hard with Umineko.
>>48688550Don't know what disliking japanese nationalism has to do with trooning out. They are completely unrelated concepts/.
>>48688550Anon in Higurashi Reiwa Keiichi praises multiculturalism and letting in migrants to solve the falling birthrates in Japan. The final page even has Rika stating it'll be sad that the traditions and native people will be gone but that it's no longer their choice to make but that of the future.
>>48688683Post proof you fucking faggot
>>48688703Okay.
>>48678930>>48681335>>48688683>>48688710Reminder if you don't like Mion acting like a whore at the beach or the girls sexually torturing another man or them all marrying different people and praising their own ethnic cleansing then you are a FAKE fan in the eyes of Ryukishi and should KILL YOURSELF>>48682309>Showing off their body in a sexual way for another man Still cuckshit
My main issue with the fights in Matsuribayashi is they end without a single person dying. I'm not saying it needs to be a detailed blood bath, but Hinamizawa is frequently compared to the Vietnamese, and let me tell you, that army sure as shit wasn't non-lethally defeating people. I'd make a joke about Satoko rubbing her poop onto spike traps but I'm sure people here would coom to that
okay so how long is this dumb shtick gonna go on for, it's already reached the point of repeating the same posts and replying to unrelated posts
Enje....
Pig.
>>48689001>ange getting with increasing weird and abominable men in her attempts to get her mind off of onii-chanenje, no...
at least they're not black
I cry every night because my tbp won't ever satisfy Enje
Don't forget who's really in charge...
>>48689053What's abominable about the Daft Punk?
>>48689276WTF cord is based?
>>48688755That line was about Mion's rampage in Sotsu. Note that it was any good though.
Are there any legit translations of Higanbana?
>>48690053Manga, light novel, visual novel or all of the above?
>>48690100VN
>>48676208I know that for Yasu it's easier to slaughter all of her loved ones than it is to make a fucking phone call, but she could have just tried making a fucking phone call.And this is more a byproduct of my unfalsifiable theory but meta-beatrice knowing the Asumu Batora mom swap thing means Yasu WAS keeping tabs on Batora
>>48690135whoops didn't mean to post that but now that it's posted besides ange who else needs merch? I have something special coming for K1 and Mion fans in a few days so wait warmly for that.
>>48690129Then no, there's only one translation as far as I'm aware. It's good enough for what it is but not the best.
>>48687835>Episode 8 of Umineko is definitely better in the manga. The VN acted like Yasu's self-deluding behavior was good instead of being incredibly self-destructive. The manga did a total 180 on that, and it improved the story immensely.I could forgive the VN's horrible message if it was at least well-argued, but it's done pretty childishly. Everyone in favor of truth is portrayed as horrible bullies, as if that's the only reason why anyone would be curious about an unsolved massacre that happened at a former government base. Ange also gets her character arc from EP 4 and 6 thrown out the window, reduced into an extremely shallow mouthpiece for Fantasy. EP 8 VN is only liked because of goodwill from EP 1-7 and the music.
>I finished Episode 8 of Umineko no Naku Koro ni. Right now, I'm filled with anger, sadness, despair, and regret. Of all the stories I've ever read, Umineko no Naku Koro ni is the worst, the worst, the most unfair work. This story has attracted readers by scattering many impossible crime mysteries, but it has completely abandoned the solution to all of those mysteries, leaving everything vague and completely abandoned!>Ah... if this is the case, the ending of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni is thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of millions of times better! I carefully read all the text of Umineko, hoping to find a solution to the mystery somewhere, but in the poorly made fantasy battles, I was only forced to read endless metaphors of the author's self-defense and hostile insults towards the readers. As a mystery writer, it is the most despicable thing for the author to do to present many mysteries, challenge the reader with them, and then run away and end the story without providing the answer. It is an unfair thing that a mystery writer should not do, but the author Ryukishi07 is completely ignoring this! What is most hopeless and terrible is that the author, who has completely run away from his own story, writes a poorly written fantasy to provoke the reader, and covers up the fact that he ran away from his own work by deceiving himself with self-defense and criticism of the reader! It's too bad. This is the first time I've seen such a terrible story and author.>This is the worst, no, even the word "worst" can't describe it, it's the worst story beyond the worst. The author is completely mocking and hurting the readers who have been reading it seriously up until now. It's just too bad!>Episode 8 is a long series of poorly written fantasy depictions from beginning to end. This was just an excuse for the author, and he made the serious readers the bad guys (the characters who want to solve the mystery) and the author (the characters who don't want the mystery to be solved) the good guys, and the author was just trying to insult the readers while defending himself. For example, in response to the deduction that "money is the motive," he said, "Anyone who makes such a deduction is a lowly person who doesn't understand the human heart, a scum who doesn't deserve to touch any story," and after unilaterally insulting various deductions that had been submitted by readers, he said, "It is not acceptable to taint the life and death of people with a debate called deduction," and in the end, the power of the deduction was crushed, and all the mysteries were left unsolved and everything was left unresolved.>I never want someone who wields his power as an author so tyrannically to make such big claims about mysteries again. Umineko was heavily promoted as a "mystery" and promoted using various mysteries as a promotional tool, but the author completely abandoned creating a solution to the mystery and ended up simply mocking and hurting the readers. As a reader who truly loves mystery and detective novels, I deeply hope that such a work will never be published again and that such a terrible work will be criticized and properly evaluated as "a terrible work". Ryukishi07 you do not have the ability to write a mystery. You can only depict the characters' ad hoc battles and ad hoc emotions. You have no logical writing ability to grasp the entire world of the story from a bird's-eye view and naturally solve the mysteries scattered throughout the story. You just scribble down the story haphazardly without any thought for the overall structure, that's all. Please acknowledge that. After presenting a whole lot of mysteries and making a big fuss about them, he was unable to solve any of them, and ended up just defending himself and blaming the readers with a poor quality fantasy plot. This is really horrible, and he has treated the readers who have read his work so far with disdain. I want Ryukishi07 to realize how horrible he has been to his readers. He should write in a genre other than mystery in the future, or if he writes mysteries, he should fundamentally change his attitude as an author. He was unable to write a logical work that would bring the whole story together, and he ended the story by throwing away all the mysteries he had presented so far, and not only that, he resorted to self-defense and blaming the readers with a ridiculous fantasy plot. I want Ryukishi07 to admit that this is a very cowardly and unfair way of doing things. This kind of method is nothing but a way of hurting readers, degrading mysteries, and destroying the respect and pride people have for stories. I never want him to do such a terrible thing again.>I'm so angry and hopeless that my head is throbbing, my chest feels heavy, and my stomach hurts. I'm feeling unwell, so I'm going to bed... Umineko was such a terrible story. It was like a bomb was dropped into my heart, and I was so shocked that a hole was burned in my chest.-2011 JP blog
>>48690597So glad we're past this garbage and Umineko found its audience.
>>48690597Whoa thats a lot of wordstoo bad I'm not reading 'em
>>48690597Trvke.Ryukishi07 gets mad at you for trying to solve the mystery but calls you a brianless goat if you didn't try to solve it. Either way you get insulted for trying to appreciate his workIs this why Battler kept saying it's useless?
>>48685498The only 07th Expansion manga worth reading is Hotarubi.
>>48690626I still think he's holding back the full context of what happened on Rokkenjima, I mean the golden land is literally locked away at the end.
>>48659325why do they call him black battler.
>>48690597based
>>48690597i love how most of this can just be summarised as "he didn't spell out the answer and said mean words to goats that could vaguely resemble me!! how dare he abandon us with this half-finished story!!! my chest hurts i'm having a heart attack help!!!(??)"i can perfectly understand why ryukishi became a bit disillusioned with the community if this was the sort of 'criticism' he got
>>48690875In the end he caved and proved the blogger right by explaining anything in the manga so it seems in retrospect he really does see it as a cowardly
>>48690875In a vacuum your post could be right, but this is 2011, people had been let down by the Higurashi ending (objectively bad as a mystery, even if you like the thematic points it touched on. Probably why the people who got the most enjoyment out of higurashi were those who didn't focus that much on the mystery but on the characters and setting instead). So this second disappointment by going in the complete opposite direction was just huge, people had invested tons of money and hours into trusting 07 works and giving him another chance by now, you can't blame the guy
>>48690656Hotarubi starts so well, but the ending is rushed and has all the same flaws as Yoigoshi with the clumsy development/exposition.
>>48690875>>48690915>>48690954I wasn't there when Umineko was still getting new episodes, but I know Ryukishi had said in several interviews he wasn't gonna give the solution. Were people expecting him to just chicken out? I guess that's fair because he eventually did that with the manga, but you'd think people would temper their expectations.I read old animesuki threads and a lot of people thought the EP 7 Tea Party was an illusion, for reasons like "no way Kyrie would do something so retarded" And these were people who otherwise believed in the official solution, this wasn't Rosatrice schizos. Sure enough, the manga would later go "nope, Kyrie really is that retarded." The manga is a more enjoyable read but the VN is more interesting as kind of cautionary tale on why mysteries typically pony up the answers.
I have completely and independent of any poking or prodding come to wonder - could the use of "even if you join us, that makes 17 humans" be a moral judgement rather than that furniture crap? As there could be 18 people but only 17 humans not because the 18th is a persona, but because they are so far above/below what you'd consider a human in terms of morals?I mean Natsuhi is pure and faithful is a red truth, and that's pretty fucking subjective
>>48691417>be 18 people but only 17 humansThey're essentially the same in the JPN text, only differing for grammatical reasons. The whole point is to show that the red truths can contradict. That doesn't refute your idea but I think the motive for non-Shkanon theories is to avoid contradictory red truths
Supplementary Umineko Material that come to mindIn one of the supplementary Umineko stories, Jessica writes a short story that Lambdadelta brings to life, ostensibly because Jessica makes the "mistake" of writing "fan" instead of "fin" at the end. Could the use of "fan" be more than a mere typo - like how you can be a "fan" of someone, savory or unsavory?In the fighting game George notably sequesters Jessica away, asking her to "trust me", before confronting Beatrice.Notably a lot of the other endings have a ahaha.wav worked in, but this one doesn't, meaning... uh... something? Like maybe this end doesn't have some incredibly cruel twist of fate to it, while Lambdadelta, Jessica, and Kanon chilling on the beach somehow does?
>>48691447A lot of chicanery is possible. For example, Beatrice says when SHE tells the truth it's in red - you could argue that means when others use it it could be a lie. Of course, you could even go with the idea that Beatrice was lying from the get go - all we have to believe in the red truth is Beatrice's word that it is.At that point it becomes a matter of really needing to pick your fanfiction and flesh it out since the "logic" here is hard to parse. I like Jessica being the second Battler because it could ostensibly make the red truth consistent across all boards and seems to fit the thematics. "Jessica is alive" and "Jessica is really dead" - well gee normally we could write that off as a contradiction but we've also been beat over the head with this idea of a catbox, of an entity that is both "alive" and "dead" until observed.So maybe if we expand on that, the red truth, if not capable of "lying", has to do with "perception?" There's a scene where Jessica tells Kanon to close his eyes and it's an odd scene since it almost seems to be leaning on the idea of a detective's POV - and how if the detective doesn't see it, anything goes. But I digress the red truth has demonstrated itself to be subjective to a degree with Natsuhi being "pure and faithful", BEFORE we work into account pseudo quantum physics principles of observation
But with crimes themselves if you want to get away with them isn't it not so much not wanting "the detective" to see you but not wanting "witnesses" to see you? I mean, witness testimony is not as reliable as evidence, but it's something. Plenty of people have been convicted on testimony alone. Maybe that's what's thematically at play here?
what if*hits pipe*instead of two blonde bitches pretending to be beatricewe got two blonde bitches taking the role of jessica>Noooooo! No body double tricks!No you don't understand, two Jessicas>I can no longer love him>take the blonde hair that >blah blah blah
Bingo.
>>48690823tbp
>>48690823Purple drip
>Knox's 2nd: All supernatural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course.>Knox's 4th: No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end.>Knox's 6th: No accident must ever help the detective, nor must he ever have an unaccountable intuition which proves to be right.>Knox's 10th: Twin brothers, and doubles generally, must not appear unless we have been duly prepared for them.
>>48692032The knox rules are never said to apply to Umineko and in fact NO KNOX NO DINE NO FAIR indicates they don't.
>>48692032Define "duly prepared" - assuming knox even applies. We know there's a high probability of two blonde bitches running around the island, one is the first one ya meet when you arrive, the other has a giant portrait of her you see when you enter the house. But instead of assuming everyone is going to larp as the local boogeyman, why not assume the local boogeyman is gonna larp as the blonde bitch?
>>48692344>>48692375I was complaining about higurashi not following these rules as someone who read umineko first
>>48692395Ah, carry on then CicadaGOD
>>48692032Ryūkishi's primary influence is Edogawa Ranpo who broke all of Knox's rules constantly. The first Ranpo novel I read, 悪魔の紋章, even did the "the detective is the killer" thing
>>48692032Most mysteries break Knox. Though I think some people are too harsh on Higurashi's mystery, it's pretty well foreshadowed, and for the most part HS is treated realistically. In fact part of the reason why Umineko was so cryptic is because R07 was pissy people were deducing HS as early as Onikakushi
>>48692032>>48692395Shion is introduced early on, Knox 10th is not broken.
>>48688755Why does it feel like every new product he makes now is done completely out of spite towards his fans? Is that why he loves his western fanbase since they're too retarded to notice he's laughing at them?
>>48692032>Knox's 5th: No Chinaman must figure in the story
>>48689276
Apparently this is Jessica l's actress in the newest stage play:https://twitter.com/katada_michiru/status/1879102728603058476
>>48693599I once saw someone seriously argue Shkanontrice broke this rule because the spirit is to prevent stereotypes from being the culprit and Yasu is a "stereotypical homosexual"
>>48693640are stage plays that big in glorious nihhon
>>48682705>>48688240So no release had the lyrics to the song?https://youtu.be/yvSQiRB87_g
>>48691498>I like Jessica being the second Battler because it could ostensibly make the red truth consistent across all boards and seems to fit the thematics. Not really, EP 3 and 5 basically demand a Yasu-culprit. I guess you could have Yasu-culprit co-existing with Jessica-as-second-Battler but then you're basically admitting your theory has to ride Yasu's coattails
>>48693693It depends the stage play but I'd say so yeah
>>48693705enjoying theater is a sign of a good civilisation
Why are none of the actors except Erika and Kinzo hot
>>48693740fat bern
>>48693740Would Kanon
>>48693740George is not fat enough
>>48693640>those absSEXO
>>48693640woooowshe is fit
>>48693593He's still butthurt over the hate Umineko got
>>48693702The goal is more to paint Rokkenjima as a powerkeg of different motivations and outcomes(like a roulette wheel). Jessica can become aggravated, which can in turn cause Rudolf and Kyrie to act like the opportunistic predators episode 7 paints them as, which can also cause Eva to start some shit, etc. But if you want my REALLY retarded "fuck locked roomz!!!1" theory, see the two Jessica theory. Jessica was blinded and could not commit murder - but Jessica wasn't. Just like Jessica is really dead, but Jessica is also alive. It's not even as stupid as it sounds - we got two blonde bitches running around, why do we assume they would only team up to create the illusion of Beatrice?
>>48693777>>48693791Date boys.
>>48694085I'm not gay anon, is the concept of buff women really that alien to you?
>>48694150Buff women scare me
>>48694217They're intimidating but there's also some cuteness that comes with it. Granted it depends of the buffness and muscle shape of the gal.
>>48693599Ryukishi was making a statement that RoC is not real China?!
>>48693867>The goal is more to paint Rokkenjima as a powerkeg of different motivations and outcomes(like a roulette wheel). So just like Shkanontrice, then?>But if you want my REALLY retarded "fuck locked roomz!!!1" theory, see the two Jessica theory. Jessica was blinded and could not commit murder - but Jessica wasn't. Just like Jessica is really dead, but Jessica is also alive.Who's the second Jessica? Yasu? This just sounds like Shkanontrice but with extra steps. At least Rosatrice was genuinely unique.
>>48694226I think toned women are better than buff women, if she can crush my skull with her bicep she's too big
>>48694311yeah, that's exactly what >>48693640 isfeels got that they got an actress that can kick some ass for Jessica
>>48693640god DAMN
>>48693740>>48693640The cast is different from the previous episode's adaptation right?
Was this always the case, this text being red? Seems to line up with my memory of how episode 4 played out but someone else remembers it being blue.
>>48689276>>48663958>>48662733Clean it up you lazy fuck
Umidneko
>>48694349Only a couple changed. I know Maria was different after episodes 1/2 at least. I think a couple of the parents changed too.
Calling Japanese people ugly is a warnable offense now? What a joke.
>>48694150Bulging muscles are a gender dimorphic feature.
>>48693640>gets her throat slit on the first night and does nothing the rest of the episodeUhh.... gg?
>>48694477It is true the average japanese person isn't like in your JAVs and they're a lot more unattractive than people who've never been think (when I was there for 3 months a big turn off for me were the teeth)But these are theatre people who tend to be below average in attractiveness so you shouldn't think of them as the average
>>48690823Because he likes to steal things and contributes nothing to society.
>>48675898Felines are sluts for belly rubs and scratches behind the ears.
>>48679101Tulpa sex isn't the same as real sexAnd before you ask no. Magic is not real.
>>48694085Boys don't look like that, faggot.
>>48699252Boy don't look like futas either, crazy how that works huh?
