How the hell have the two men who built the majority of 2000s doujin culture never collaborated? They both released their first Windows games at Comiket 62 back in 2002 (Embodiment of Scarlet Devil and Onikakushi), and over the coming years they both well received games with memorable worlds, characters and stories, just in entirely different genres. And yet we never got a Higurashi danmaku by ZUN or a Touhou VN by Ryukishi? It boggles the mind. If these two men joined forces they could conquer all of Japan!
>>48741835The stage is not big enough for both, same reason why Prince and Michael Jackson never did a collaboration.
The doujin scene is not one that places an emphasis on collaborating between creators. Sometimes you don't have to make your GI Joe action figure interact with your Barbie doll, OP.
>>48741835you'd think they'd get their shitty gachas to cross over at least
>>487418351. Crossover content like this isn't that common in doujin stuff of this nature.2. When they cry and Touhou don't really lend themselves to crossing over in a way that would feel natural.3. When they cry tackles much darker subject matter in a way Touhou wouldn't.I remember there were rumors of the two doing a collab at some point back in the day, but they were just that.
>>48741835they're not gay, unfortunately
>>48741919That is a very good comparison.
>>48741835The difference is that ZUN is a talented composer while Ryukishi just stole a bunch of midis.
>>48742125This is true, Ryukishi is also a talented character designer but ZUN stole most of his characters.
>>48741835One is a beloved japanese icon and one won't finish his fucking game.
>>48741835they're both fucking retards
>>48741835Ryukishi-sensei is a genius. ZUN is overrated and a hack.
>>48742251has he ever mentioned anything about it? like even just acknowledging a little "yeah, i know its been 5 years guys sorry" or something? surely i'm just out of touch, and he never really went all this time just dead silent about the progression as if it never existed?
>>48741835If I'm not mistaken they're friends and Ryukishi did want to collab with ZUN to make future Touhou games or wanted to make a Touhou derivative (there's two versions of the story I heard) but ZUN encouraged him to pursue his own ideas which is what led to HigurashiThis isn't the interview where that came from but it is notably an interview with both ZUN and Ryukishi07 simultaneously so the closest thing to a collab https://0707toshokan.wordpress.com/2023/09/24/special-talk-zun-x-ryukishi07/Well that and the numerous Touhou references in Higurashi and Umineko alongside Suwako having some pretty clear elements of Hanyuu in her that's the closest to a crossover they'll ever have
>>48741835I love ZUN and all but reading CDS, I'd say he should have asked Ryukishi for help
>>48754698So that he could've made it even more of a trainwreck?
>>48751046>Suwako having some pretty clear elements of Hanyuu in herYou actually blew my mind. How come I never connected the two before?
>>48759093>"Isn't this shrine Kanako's?">"Auuuuu... Well, it used to be my shrine, you know?"
>>48741835>the two men who built the majority of 2000s doujin culture How delusional are you to think Ryuukishi was nearpy as popular and influential as ZUN? Maybe Type-Moon/ZUN would be a more apt comparison.
>>48761462Last time I checked Ryukishi got multiple successful anime series, a whole line of manga you can buy in stores, and he's working with AAA devs like Konami. ZUN doesn't have any of that.
>>48764541ZUN always objected to those things out of principle; Touhou was a massive phenomenon for over a decade.The only mildly successful Ryuukishi anime series was Higurashi, a niche show, and he completely failed to capitalize on his success by alienating his fans with Umineko,
>>48764778I thought Umineko was good, oh don't tell me you watched the anime
>>48761462>>48764541>>48764778>>48765006MY JAPANESE OLD MAN IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!
>>48764778It's funny because ZUN evidently didn't care about his principles so much when he made that shitty gacha known as Lost World. It's not like Ryukishi's any better of course because he made Higurashi Mei, I guess money just speaks more than integrity these days.Captcha: HGAYRJ
>>48765006I read Umineko years ago though it wasn't really my cup of tea.
>>48764778>>48765006>creates an anime specifically to filter secondariesSeems pretty based to me
>>48765181MoP is kinda the same, it just needed more boob and naked loli scenes
>>48741835Both series are beloved by internet transgenders. It's truly a wonder why they never collaborated
>>48765108It's not a dick flinging contest about who's better than whom, Ryuu is was just not as much of an influence as ZUN or Nasu
>>48765108They're not even saying Ryukishi's better than ZUN they're replying to >>48761462 and saying he has influenceAnyways they're chums IRL so arguing would be very silly
>>48749644Not enough people got interested in Ciconia to warrant a continuation. That's basically it, not matter how people might feel otherwise.
>>48767831im one of those people. the first chapter alone wasn't enough to sell me, that was precisely why i was waiting for the next chapters to see what 07 had in store, surely it wasnt going to remain some typical action narrative...surely...
>>48742125Implying ZUN didnt steal those melodies in the first place
>>48776555Penis Music https://youtu.be/WY_-MK0XBGc
>>48764541It's folly to imply that doujin culture is based on monetary success and not a love for a craft, spitting in the faces of both creators by saying "because one works with big developers his works have more value than another's". By that logic both of them are complete and utter trash compared to the omegaGod that is Nasu, and games like Rosenkreuzstilette might as well be used tissue paper. Or alternatively, both of them and more are all absolute heretics of doujin culture because they've let hands beyond their own touch their creations for monetary gain, either directly through other people drawing and writing their stories or indirectly by catering to fans and creating stories based around what others what and not what they want (lookin' at you, Key). Because that's what these posts always come down to; either powerscaling between old Japanese men and women or screaming that something stops being a doujin work once the creators no longer go into the red when printing it. There's no winning with you faggots.This whole argument is gay and retarded at it's core, leave your tribalism akin to Nintendo vs SEGA arguments in /v/ where they belong.>>48765109>he madeNeither of them made either game to my knowledge. Ryukishi writes for some parts of Mei apparently, probably because writing more Ciconia is totally off the table now and Silent Hill's happening, but as far as I know ZUN just handwaves everything involving Lost Word to get another excuse for offkai pubcrawls and even indirectly spat on gacha games.
