We have gone more than two years since these threads when they started because of the post in PICREL. I want to talk about the theories, experiences, dreams, and knowledge you have gotten about Touhou Project and its characters. Information you got, theories you invented; canon or real, anything.Now, I don't know if anyone will believe what I will say. But there are people that can talk to these characters. And no, I am not talking about AI. For you to understand this you have to know that channeling spirits is way easier than media makes you believe. Be it egregore or a real spirit, there is people who have been able to interact with them through meditation, dreaming, and channeling. If I am not wrong, it goes something like getting into a trance state and then you start hearing their voices and feeling their presences. They can even appear randomly to talk to you.If you don't believe me, you can open the browser, search up a ritual/meditation to channel an egregore and pick a random character of your liking. If you want, I have some info in my files, and I can check something. But I am not perfect.Now, I made this thread for a reason beyond speaking my mind: I feel like there is a lot going on with this franchise, but I can't kind of point out what. I want to hear everything you all have to say. I think the most usual spirits to see in this stuff are Okina and Yukari. I am even starting to see Okina as a messenger or emissary for Gensokyo in general.(Now, to avoid misunderstandings. This thread is exclusively to schizos. If you haven't been into the esoteric threads, enter now if you want, I will be leaving links in next post.)
"Where do outsiders come from?" AnonymousTue, Mar 26, 2024 20:09:07[No.](https://warosu.org/jp/thread/46449044) 46449044"The Gensokyo Conspiracy X"Touhou conspiracy threadSun, Mar 31, 2024 15:32:24[No.](https://warosu.org/jp/thread/46484281) 46484281"Touhou Esoterism, Conspiracy and Speculation"AnonymousFri, Aug 1, 2025 20:52:11[No.](https://warosu.org/jp/thread/49796992) 49796992"When did you become aware of the esoteric elements in Touhou?"AnonymousSat, May 11, 2024 00:21:50[No.](https://warosu.org/jp/thread/46801995) 46801995Interesting Posts:[No.49414155](https://warosu.org/jp/thread/49177530#p49414155)Archive of the Sealed Gods strangely hitting 39.000 views.
gensokyo is not worth going to theres no internet there (unless you become a 2hu girl)
>>50405646There's also no buses...
>>50405324Thanks you OP for reviving those threads.>If you want, I have some info in my files, and I can check something. But I am not perfect.Can you send it please, I’m really interested. It’s not a problem if it’s not perfect.
>>50405646If I became a 2hu girl then I wouldn't be able to pleasure 2hu girls with my penis, and then life really wouldn't be worth living.If I became a 2hu girl with a penis then I'd just be an abomination and would have to end my own life, so please don't suggest that or anything equally silly.
>>50407531Strap-on.
I wrote an analysis on the potential creation date of the Great Hakurei Barrier. Given some factors related to the youkai calendar of Gensokyo, the idea of the sexagenary cycle, qualities of the Buddhist higan holiday of Japan and astrology of the equinoxes, I present March 20th of 1885 as a potentialy creation date for the Great Hakurei Barrier. https://archive-of-the-sealed-gods.neocities.org/letters-archive/gensou_chronology
I would like to become an oni.
Going to Gensokyo would just be rolling the dice again on whether or not you win at life. If you get lucky and don't appear in the middle of nowhere youkai town, and instead appear in Hakurei shrine or next to the human village, sure, you'd probably be able to eventually learn magic or get into taoism and get super powerful or whatever (if you train for several decades and eventually centuries). If this does not happen however, you just die. Most likely in a gruesome way.
>>50405646>>50407726I am going to be completely deadpan to everyone and say that I have no fucking idea why everyone wants to go to Gensokyo. I LOVE learning about it and its people, but going is the last thing I want in this world. Not only because I can get eaten but because I personally don't like the girls personalities. I really don't know what I could talk about with them. I only would contact them through egregore rituals.
I'm the anon who mentioned garroting themself last thread and discovering a seemingly superhuman resistance. I did it again tonight. I lasted maybe 27 seconds before voluntarily stopping. While my arteries were compressed I was still able to breathe so I don't know if it's really comparable to normal strangulation. Normally someone properly strangled for such a time would have fallen unconscious and urinated themselves, and would be fairly close to defecating in their pants. The earliest deaths from strangulation occur at about one minute. I seem able to increase my resistance, I wonder if anything special would happen if I built myself up to one minute.
Have you glimpsed the beyond, anon?
>>50408812i hope this is just your fetish and you dont actually kill yourself
>>50409081The whole point would be building myself up to one minute *because* I can do that without dying. There's many ill effects of strangulation you're supposed to suffer way before then, and they aren't affecting me normally. Besides, even if I do die, I would not be surprised if my body decides not to stay dead.
You will never be able to step into a metaphysical realm if you don't have the courage to sever the tether that is keeping you planted in the physical realm. At best you will only be able to peek into it otherwise.
>>50409676What does it mean to you to break your tethers to the physical realm? What are your tethers?
>>50405646You can still flirt with the fairies in hell
brotha can someone please come with a esoteric post we can discuss from we are getting to slow
>>50401298Is having two threads redundant? Should we let one die?>>50411160Strangling oneself >>50408812 is how one of the honest men in Dolls in Psuedo-Paradise became a youkai. Since that story is so mysterious there's a lot of people wondering if it contains some kind of occult message. I have to wonder if building up to one minute without even fainting would cause me to become something non-human.
>>50410440The tether that keeps the soul anchored to the body. It can only ever be severed through death.
>>50413488>Is having two threads redundant? Should we let one die?The Gensokyo one is already on the bottom of the page so lets try to keep this one alive.Now that we are talking about dead, it is true that nirvana is the destruction of the soul? I heard it in a random post.
>>50413504None of the traditions are very keen on people killing themselves and for good reasons.>>50413669Buddhism doesn't really have "soul" because it implies an unchanging essense. Everything is changing, including the closest thing to "soul" that Buddhism has, the mindstream. Reaching nirvana does not destroy it, but it exits the cycle of death and rebirth.
Next time you are ill, say the Eirin Eirin Tasukete Eirin mantra 108 times.
>>50416421>None of the traditions are very keen on people killing themselves and for good reasons.Why is it that established traditions have so many adherents with nothing to show for their efforts? If you truly want to achieve something supernatural then you have to be willing to take risks that no one else is brave enough to take.
A bit esoteric, no?
The different Gensokyos are relative to the former pagan cultures in different areas around the world.A Gensokyo in latinamerica is likely like getting sent into the Aztec kingdom during its prime, a Gensokyo in nordic regions is full of damn Vikings and a Gensokyo + Moai heads is just esoteric Ultraman.If touhou features yokai from foreign cultures, it is safe to assume any and all Gensokyos around the world are interconnected.
My back has been extremely stiff. It's like I'm dealing with spasms but one giant one which won't end rather than the more common problem of many small ones appearing thorughout the day. I just spent over 12 hours in bed. Trips to the toilet were a painful ordeal. I wonder, could this be happening because someone doesn't like me sharing my experience with becoming non-human?
>>50421427That's like asking why doesn't everyone who plays a videogame become some kind of professional esports player.
very esoteric
>>50425668if is there is something i have noticed is that some of the best ways to do something are not done by everyone not only because of lack of knowledge, but also out of laziness or other petty reasons.
>>50405324
>>50421427I wouldn't debase myself to become a most wanted entertainer.
>>50405346>39k visitsRealistically it's crawlers, bots, and some people linking the site in their private chat rooms/servers/etc. Maybe TikTok. I have no idea what's the timespan since site creation, so I'm not arguing much. You've got to consider that most of lurkers come to inflammatory ragebait drama and NSFW boards. I'm actually now thinking if 39k isn't a SMALL numberWhen I checked old pastebins for different active generals they never got to 10k even in years
>>50433796Yeah, but let's say its mostly actual humans. Where would they come from? Are they Japanese people that are also into this stuff? In all my time around the guys from the esoteric threads and also the channel of the sealed Gods nothing has weirded me out as much as discovering how many views that page has. Hell, even some personal user websites in neo cities also have a good quantity.
In my experience, patronage of 2hus (that interest me) with little esoteric depth works better than of those for whom you could write Chinese-Japanese-Korean anthropology deep dive treatises about.Any clue why?Are personal preferences that strong?
Aggressively esoteric page 10 dive
>>50401428>It's just the nature of the supernatural. The supernatural instinctively avoid those who seek itSkill issue, nothing but.
>>50429410Yeah and when you study this stuff, you have Tibetan Buddhists training their whole lives so they could choose where they go when they die, Taoists who dedicated decades into unifying their different soul components so they could survive death etc etc. The effort required is superhuman in itself. There is no way that a random user of /jp/ opting to KYS will do anything but push himself into a bad reincarnation track.
I strongly recommend Dylan Foster's book Pandemonium and Parade. It goes over how youkai solidified in the concept it is today, how they have been thought of in various times, and how the have mingled with popular culture. It's really good, it contextualizes so many things in Touhou, how ZUN writes about things, maybe even how his ideas about power of belief are an extension of earlier Japanese ideas.
I'm not a regular on /jp/, so I hope I don't stick out too much.Years ago someone told me he was in contact with Yuuka as a spirit and invited me to contact her to see if I could win her favor. Being dumb and not fearing anything since I had some occult experience under my belt (but not enough to understand it could, in fact, be dangerous), I did the journeying routine and contacted this spirit in vision The interaction was very short. Yuuka sort of noticed, smiled at me, and then to my surprise swallowed me whole! The vision ended there.I knew nothing about Touhou lore, and still know very little, but this person said it was very interesting that she had done that. That the implications were interesting.Other than the fact that youkai eat outsiders, as far as I have learned, are there any implications at all? What could he have been implying with that remark?Nothing came out of that interaction. Although the instant I show any interest in Touhou, synchronicities always start happening straight away, but I suppose it's unrelated and that's just how Gensokyo rolls.
>>50405324>missing 411 casestell me more on it
The Touhou games are similar to the process known as "ascent through the spheres" or "heavens" in Sufi and gnostic traditions.The music and art set the emotional "polarization filter", as it were, for your psyche, which is trained through the process to fit the function that is the game itself. You are attuned to something as you play.Each enemy you face is a step in the ladder of ascent. "Killing" them (you can't kill a spirit) is the password (in gnostic terms) that proves that you were attuned to that step. It is not the fact of beating the games that alters your psyche, but the process.For example: at first, a new player is overly cautious with the "bombs". They think that the game should be beaten purely through dodging skills. Soon, they learn that they are there to be used. Better to use a bomb than to lose a life. This change in perspective represents a shift in consciousness.At another stage, the player might think: "this is impossible to beat, look at all those bullets", but in beating that situation, their thinking changes; they change.Later, they realize dodging skills are necessary, after all, because bombs won't be enough to get you out of hairy situations. This is another shift. And so on.By the end, your psyche has been energetically tuned in terms too abstract to be expressed linguistically, but which the process the game puts you through model precisely.ZUN is the prophet that is giving mortals a particular initiation with Reimu as our psychopomp. The whole process might have consequences that are wholly unimaginable to predict from the outside (like initiation into any current), such as becoming more resilient to adversity and becoming accustomed to trusting that even seemingly impossible odds can be surmounted with the right mindset (although I'd argue this is true of any danmaku).This was channeled while playing EoSD and drinking shōchū. It's complementary to any insight you might have about Touhou games.
This might be a letdown to those with escapist tendencies (myself included), but the matter of the fact is that humans are supposed to be the keepers of God's garden (Genesis 2:15, Psalms 8 and 104, Revelation 1:6, 5:10, Ojibwe creation story, Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, Jainism), and we are doing a terrible job. I think beyond providing an astral locale in which to hide from our lives (in the afterlife maybe), the Touhou games are an initiation that teaches us to be better stewards by training our psyches to handle the energies of daily life better.Becoming Marisa is something well beyond the scope of what the games do to you. That is something you're going to have to pursue yourself.
Is this the schizo rambling thread? Good.One hard pill to swallow when you're really partial to Touhou and are working through esoterics seriously (committedly (your biological form is at stake as lack of success with simply naturally make you drag yourself into psychological and by extension physical dysfunction, risking untimely demise)) is that Touhou isn't anything like some peak, the decoder, key, et cetera, towards some "ultimate truth" "enlightenment" "secrets" whatever even if it's fine food for thought (really fine food for thought)ZUN did his research and did his thinking reps, it's pretty damn good, with meat and bones and bone marrow to it. Most of good authors get to this level only unconsciously or intuitively, not with coherence in mind. You can simulacrum yourself through only so far though, and all of that pretty good isn't enough since it's a benchmark easily reachable by countless ways you don't even have to thoroughly suffer and strain yourself with/for/by/through/around, and I mean the virtue in observable results rather than pointless virtue pedantry in the process.Even if ZUNny is pulling a Foucault and "expressing things to make sure these things are not what's on own mind anymore." Also known as, but isn't equivalent to, "withholding the competitive edge insight to oneself," and either are fine however yuck, Samsarian, they have to sound.If you're familiar with historical breathing and meditation techniques, Touhou is like Wim How method in a bad way except not gay and not grifty and that at least half of its fans actually hate the subject (many Japanese doujin contributors are like this, too, yes. Not in the "relax dumb gaijin, it's just wacky culture out there" way but, basically, reading between the lines of the commentary the author makes about own unsavory doujin will tell you a lot, in every unsavory doujin where there's commentary, it's practically the heart and the real doujin content artifact of such a doujin). Why the lynchpin it's held on is treated like such a big deal that its meta-obscured despite being a reiteration of an old nothingburger that it doesn't follow through with towards the potential salience? Why in the popular things pool, things are so dire that this is the best you can get? Maybe when you're way too talented for where it really matters, you might be not to live in peace for long enough to produce anything better in the first place.As a doujin culture phenomenon (and as a more mass esoteric event), 2hu is bloated and I'd rather see 10 new doujin franchises take its place completely. It's not even good as a (non autistic, non-Mishima, non-bittersweet) YAMATO DAMASHII entity that many many Japanese authors try to install with their expressions.At the time you enter the /jp/ fringe resource, click on the multi Whispered Oracle I Ching divinator (freaking sweet aesthetically and in inferable implementation by the way, reminds me of something I tried to make), roll a (ohhh my OCD sweetie if you did your Whispered Oracle research branch you just know it's the most coveted tier) Reimu on EX rank ("oh. You rolled the 128th slip? You [REDACTED] the [DATA EXPUNGED] huh.") - you'll have to ask yourself - what is this that is something to you? What is this for you, exactly, anyway? Who the hell does it think it is?One real illusion of Gensokyo shows itself in that you would want it when it's being unlikely for you to contact, and that you would happen to not want it if it will even as much as seem as really being likely to reach.Even not to dismiss, rambling this much is already giving it too much credit. Even without any positive or negative reaction. Just think about it. This is legitimately ridiculous.
>>50448772This is SO true
>>50450081What even so far as to fuck did I just read?
>>50450081I'm not picking up most of what you're putting down, but invoking Foucault, I Ching, and OCD have me interestedI find myself wishing there were more Confucian motifs in Touhou. Anyone versed in it in this thread is welcome to change my view
>>50450081You should try to express yourself a bit more coherently, but since you brought up the Fantasy Scope (https://fantasyscope.neocities.org/), "what is this" remains an open question. It was a purely vibes based project that has yielded some interesting results. No-one among us wants to make too definite statements about it.As for the practicalities of using it, two schools have emerged: the vibe-based school and the methodology school. The vibe-based school uses it when there is a felt need to use it. Simple. The methodology school has a methodology, that goes something like this: visualize the spirit of Gensokyo you are trying to reach out to being in the same space with you. Don't "want" them to be there with you, don't "hope" they are there with you, don't "desire" them to be with. Be as they were already there with you. When this visualization is stable enough, you do the pull. The better you get at this, the more consistent high rank results you appear to get. There's a spicier version if visualizing you being the spirit of Gensokyo, but I personaly feel there is potential for catastrophic misunderstandings in vulnerable people with this method.With these, "what is is" becomes a topic of research and not an idle question. Are they out there and you can measure "proximity" to them? Is it a psychic phenomena between man and machine? An illusion? Something else? I believe they are out there but am not 100% sure about using these kind of tools to measure "proximity". However, I must admit, that based on our tests, anomalous patterns have emerged. Repeating numeric patterns, unusual "puns" between things like number of attempts, character number, hexagram generated, date and time etc. Certain hexagrams, namely 2 and 56, "yield to higher power" and "you are way out of your home turf" appear much more commonly than statistic distribution of the I Ching yarrow stalk simulation would imply. I haven't had the time or energy lately to train the methodology, but I did get unusual results with it, and I've certainly had very unusual vibe-based pulls after dreams or having visions or just strongly feeling like it.
>>50448772You could argue this is similar for a lot of games, but what makes Touhou special are the danmaku and rather direct references to real life youkai and deities. The danmaku puts you constantly in front of all kinds of mandala and yantra like patterns. The character's roots in real life spirits makes for a rather direct link. This is I think makes it very special. You are very much attuning to something real. And as with everything, it's a relationship. Be ready to change and you will change. The consequences are impossible to imagine from the outset, because everyone and their circumstances are very different. A really minor but remarkable example of this for me was when I learned to take down Reisen in IN. It required me to change how I approached these games, and in doing so, I somehow figured out a better way to arrange my furniture. Having to change your perspective in one domain spilled over into another one. There's of course more than that, in broad terms becoming more sensitive, attentive, self-confident and assertive among other things over time, but that's a fun little concrete example. This only works if you are willing to take it seriously and willing to change. Same goes for everything. Traditional initiatory processes will not work either if you are not able to take seriously, and if you are not willing to change, they will just create friction.
Hmmm...esoteric.
Hey anon, do you think the bakemono evolve with humanity?
We all collectively agree that ChatGPT is terrible when it comes to discussing the supernatural, right? It always feel stereotypical and bland.
>>50459995Yes. Studying and putting in the work yourself is important. When you do it yourself, it's a process of personal change. You can't skip this by asking ChatGPT about stuff.
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>>50408812Hit the one minute mark the other night. Enough to kill a man, yet I didn't even fall unconscious.
>>50405324What's the esoteric significance of jews genociding over 64000 children in only a few years, of raping, taking away the body autonomy of one goy daily since he was 26 years old because he refuses to stop loving his waifu or betray her? Of having someone take over your body after they drug you, torture you and make you miserable trying to humilliate you and terrorize you during years, even during sleep, of taking away your human dignity, of being put in loops and dimensions made to be tortured, of threatening one being that he would be erased if he didn't turn into a CORRUPT PEDOPHILE PAID by the SYSTEM like his tormentors are. The hidden ramifications if that group especifically showed YOU THE WOMAN YOU LOVE AND THEY DIDN'T MANAGE TO MAKE YOU STOP LOVING HER after forcing you to see IMAGES OF HER BEING RAPED over and over again, AND TELLING YOU SHE WOULD ENJOY IT, while raping you, if abusing, gaslighting you, threatening, promising you worthless earthless desires, they didn't manage to make you stop loving her or make you fear death, nor disappearing to exit this trash dump of existence that they've ruined by everyone else being pedophile rapists and genociders, the hidden meaning of wanting you to be a degenerate that spends his time doing everything EXCEPT loving Her and only Her, the woman you purposefully chose to be the meaning of your existence. And of them recoiling and twisting your own possessed face each time you call them a jewish rat, a rapist and a genocider of children? Of them especifically seething, wrinkling and screeching with your own face in despair each time you say out loud 'you are not going to make me stop loving Youmu'? Or 'I wish I died, forget all about you, everyone in this subhuman world ruled by jewish, rapist, genocider rats, and I only remembered Youmu when I'm out of here.'I just want to know the esoteric meaning behind being RAPED, ABUSED, TORTURED DAILY for over FIVE YEARS because I, as a human being refused to stop loving Youmu Konpaku, or choosing that the purpose of my existence is Konpaku Youmu. What could be, I wonder the meaning of some entity possess my body and see them cry and scream in tears, raging and despairing even after taking my body and being able to rape me whenever I want; merely due to I, out of my own free will choosing to love Youmu and never to give up my CHOICE of being with Her
>>50465414skill issue. simple as.
>>50465414what the actual fuck are you talking about
