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Merry Christmas you beautiful anons!

If you haven't received your package, please submit an email to me and we will start tallying the late arrivals, and then sorting between folks who are likely to get theirs in the next few days vs those who the dreaded USPS has lost forever. We will be dispatching the Grinch Relief Corps (GRC) as needed to remedy. Send grinch relief applications to wendigohunter at protonmail dot com

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>>64680141
Merry Christmas anon, in my area that was about as “local” as I could get lmao Enjoy!
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>>64681677
did you take these with a laptop webcam?
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About to sit down and watch Die Hard with Ahab and family, but first our RAFFLE WINNERS!!!....drum roll please........

Jamie from DE - Dickpick and Patches package
CapnKirk - North American Fishing and Hellfire Weapons System Club Memoribilia
Relaxing - Heritage Rough Rider 22 Revolver

Winners, I will send an email to verify details tomorrow afternoon!

Merry /K/ristmas all and a sincere thank you to all participants. I will also post instructions tomorrow for grinch relief applications for folks who may not have their gifts yet.

One more thank you to Komrade Ahab. For outstanding service, I now promote you wholeheartedly to the rank of Kaptain Ahab. o7
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>>64682935
Congratulations guys!
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>>64681294
>>64681345
Same

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>>64682330
Anon, what you're looking at there is the INTERNAL cost the DoD charges to other DoD branches if they want to fly a mission using another branch's assets, if the army asks the airforce to fly a mission, they pay the airforce a SUBSIDIZED rate. What you're looking at is a breakdown of that SUBSIDIZED rate.

What isn't included in that figure is the salary of the pilots/ground crew, the cost of the logistical support from lockheed, depot maintenance costs, and costs spent to modify the jet (modification costs for the year get added up together and divided by the total number of airframes to make it "fair").

So yeah, the ACTUAL cost to fly is much closer to $30,000/hour than it is $17,000/hr.
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>>64682353
you have anything to back up this claim?
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>>64682387
I mean, read the title?

RCPFH means Reimbursable Cost Per Flight Hour.

They're reimbursable costs because you bill them to the other branch that's asking for you to do the flight.


The most recent CBO report on the F-35 says ~$45,000-60,000/hr
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2025-06/61347-F-35-Availability.pdf
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For a 30k per hour flight cost
Are they unironically doing literally hundreds of hours of maintenance for 1 hour of flight?
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>>64682332
>No, they aren't. Not even close.
They objectively are

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PCC thread for my newest fixation. MP5-SD clone

Post with me to celebrate, rimfire welcome
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>>64680208
>which is really nice especially when I'm phoneposting
Bro! Im a phone poster, too! Snork, we are like brothers, fug! What's your name?
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contributin
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>>64681980
oops, updated image, check the triggerpack :)
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>>64681982
B&T stock? I want one for my old ATI imported MKE, although the side folding stock is kino.
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>>64681980
Looks like 420 rounds of 9mm, far out man

Are Battleships huge cannons better or worse than Close air support and other kind of artillery for the purpose of supporting infantry?
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>>64681793
I wish it was true anon, but they make all kinds of shit we do use. Cheap bulk chips for microwaves and such. Serial produced inverters. Everything to do with green stuff like solar panels. Lots of base materials we use here too, like chemicals. BASF and BAYER arent making their cheap precursors here. We need to reshore a shitload of low value stuff to be self sufficient. Ship building for example. All the shells are built in China even when finished here.
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>>64681685
Buddy, if we're at war with China that's already out the window. That's part of why nobody's raring to go to war with them.
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>>64681685
>they'd never do that because China is the world's industrial base
Illogical. If China is using that industrial base to undermine, destroy and addict the rest of the world, then they pulled some Pearl Harbor bullshit with unflagged ships, there would be hell to pay.
We can make our own unadulterated feedstocks and cheap plastic shit.
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>>64664970
They're too inaccurate to really function as support weapons, and are obviously limited to shoreline attacks.
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>>64664970
Depends where. If you are near the sea then a battleship can rain down very heavy fire rapidly and for a significant amount of time. So in a war over an island chain for example where you have to fight island by island then having a big floating gun platform you can park off the coast and start blasting away with makes a fair bit of sense.

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Post gear, discuss gear.
Innawoods with doxycycline edition. (Dreaming of Spring.)
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>>64682610
probably older, not even an interlocking ball desigh, and hybrid poly/kevlar backer.

as for modern AP, I can still say, it probably hes the best chance to stop your mentioned threats, out of any civ-sold plate. it did stop SLAP, (v50)

picrel: you with that 7.5lb plate
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>>64682680
>as for modern AP, I can still say, it probably hes the best chance to stop your mentioned threats, out of any civ-sold plate. it did stop SLAP, (v50)
Granted, it did that two or three times, but if we're getting engaged by M948 then things have really gone to pot and threats like .338 AP529 are in play. What I would like to see is a TiB2-SiC version of the 8002 that splits the difference between the 8002 and Colossus halfway in cost but beats the Colossus on raw threat level. Similarly, 7.5lb "Heavy Colossus" that stops very hard shit like .338 7N49 and AP529 cold, along with M948 100% of the time. I think Jake's a shady guy (pic rel is his first business address back at Diamond Age - a supplement store in TX) but the strength of the TiB2-SiC he's peddling is undeniable. IMO, that's the future of midweight ceramics as soon as it becomes price-effective from other guys.
This is apocryphal and totally anecdotal, but I remember seeing a RUAG presentation showing a Level IV plate losing to M993 at 150 meters, but when backed by doubled-up IIIA M993 could not beat it at all. Worst case scenario, back the 8002 or Colossus with good soft armor to try and shorten the odds.
>picrel: you with that 7.5lb plate
Ceradyne 80571 in the fresh, .50 BMG protective with standoff. Very nice! For the record, my 2230s are 0.8lb lighter than G1 1155s, over a pound lighter than honestly sized Highcom 4S17Ms, and 0.2lb lighter than Hesco 4403s.
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>>64682610
>7.62x51 Swiss P AP is from 1998 and M993 originates in the 1970s. They aren't really modern designs a la AP11LR, 7N37, 7N51, DM151, M1158, or the .300 / .338 heavy hitters.
Aside from 7N37 and XM1184 the real "heavy hitter AP" is rare as hell, even in military service.
And I remember that people on X.com were saying that the Russians don't even issue tungsten-core small arms any longer, that everything people are finding is all steel-core these days.
Rusanon, is that true?
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>>64681356
This is one of those things, I can't really tell if it's cool or cringe.
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>>64682852
>Aside from 7N37 and XM1184 the real "heavy hitter AP" is rare as hell, even in military service.
Don't forget XM1154, the .338 Lapua ADVAP, and M1162, the .338 Norma version of AP529. Swedes have a better M948, Germans run DM151 and .300Win DM131. The issue is less that it's rare, more that it is held in reserve for when it's actually needed.
As a hypothetical, I'd be willing to bet that if Buffalo dipshit rolled a pair of XSAPIs or Adept Collosi instead of RMA 1093s, that'd make the news and there would be a kneejerk adoption of exotic AP across numerous PDs.
Active shooters are bad. Heavily armored active shooters are worse.
>Russians don't even issue tungsten-core small arms any longer, that everything people are finding is all steel-core these days.
I'll let Rusanon answer, but they did recently upgrade their 7.62x54R "super AP" to 7N51, which is a longer-core beefed up 7N37. I think it's primarily steel core but primo units get the very good stuff. Obviously it all takes back stage versus artillery, drones, etc.

Now that the dust has settled, what is the /k/onsensus on the MiG-23?
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>>64682755
>nearing Japanese standards (
>6 years behind in the 1980s is "nearing"
Delusional.
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>>64682781
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U61000
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>>64682807
Yes, that chip, the serial production began in 1990, 6 years behind Toshiba or Hitachi.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/02/business/japan-develops-1-megabit-chip.html
https://www.xda-developers.com/hitachi-1mb-chip-first/
By 1988 Siemens was taping ICs of 4-mbits despite being behind Japan in 1984.
https://www.siemens.com/global/en/company/about/history/stories/4mbit-dram.html
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>>64682823
Which is astounding for a Soviet puppet state.
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>>64682838
Not if you remember that they had Carl Zeiss and all the patents, publications and RE with real chips (DRAM is repetitive) and 6 years of time.
The 1990s showed that creating analogues is better than trying to RE a complex chip, that's why fake-Pentium chips based on RISC were so popular, sometimes better than the "original" and proliferated during the late 1990s-early 2000s but 8086 to i286 were rare and almost always worse than the "originals".

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I refuse to buy CAT because their website and naming scheme is incomprehensible garbage.
wtf is this?
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>>64682441
the calibers are right there, I don't see what's so cryptic. "556m" isn't much different than "SOCOM556-RC2" or whatever. if they want to have a little fun then I don't care, even if it is corny. either the suppressors are good or they're not
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this is everything I hate about modern gun culture in the US
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>tries to be funny and offensive
>just ends up being awkward and offensive

we've got three more years of boomers and gen-x'er business owners testing the waters with cringe shit like this.
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>>64682551
My favorite gen-xism is their sudden realization of their irrelevancy and cope posting on facebook about how "college-aged millennials" are in awe about their toughness and growing up independent and shit. The copypasta my seniors post on facebook is fucking gay as shit, but so funny at the same time. I look forward to the day when Millennials stop shitting on themselves and try to pretend we were at all consequential or better than what came before or after. It's going to bu really funny watching picrel try to larp as the greatest generation or some shit.
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>>64682470
Sounds based. Anything that makes reddit seethe is chaotic good.

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How would you arm and operate a small squadron of rebel troopers in 3 ABY?
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>>64677901
Depends on the mission.
Looks like Endor.
Their mission down there was special forces to seize a shield generator.
Equipment really wasn't the issue so I guess they did things right.
Not knowing there would be hundreds of stormtroopers waiting for them was the bigger problem.
Failure of intelligence.
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>>64677901
I ain't gonna sugarcoat it.
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>>64677901
>joining intergalactic ISIS
lol no, Im glad the empire gets rid of those terrorist retards
>inb4 Alderaan
It was justified
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>>64680860
>Got rid of them
Uhhh xister they won and Luke set up the Jedi academy
..m
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>>64677901
1 generic Rebel officer
2 fleet trooper squads (pistols only because the budget has to give way somewhere)
2 squads of Wookiee berserkers
2 armored speeder trucks with cheapo heavy blasters and the craziest drivers we can find
1 Luke Skywalker

Any excess budget should be spent on shotguns, smoke grenades, or those flamethrower-toting Tauntaun riders from Galactic Battlegrounds. Fuck stealth, it's time for glorious melee combat.

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Was the Yugoslav military the 4th strongest military in the 80s-90s before it fell apart?
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Not to sound like an ass, but they looked like typical commie cannon fodder
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Of course, they were using SKS’s
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>>64682406
Called papovka. They're still used as ceremonial arms by the honor guard here.

May dad used it as a service rifle but he was in a signals unit. Won a shooting competition with it, got a day pass, got drunk and climbed a fence back into the barracks 'to not get in trouble'. He's a humble man so he claims the only reason he won was because he had a well maintained rifle while some of his comrades already had fucked up barrels.

He was handed an AK after independence but didn't know how to use it properly. When ordered to fire 'single shots' he went fully automatic, got yelled and told to fire 'single shot' again. Fired a burst again, got yelled at again and had to explain he never used the weapon before. Ended up guarding bosnian refugees at the border for a while.

He tells the story everytime he's drunk.
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>>64682446
>When ordered to fire 'single shots' he went fully automatic, got yelled and told to fire 'single shot' again. Fired a burst again, got yelled at again and had to explain he never used the weapon before
I'm guessing his assumption was the selector would start small and work its way to auto lol. If I remember correctly, the semi position is at the bottom so panicked soldiers wouldn't slam the safeties down and mag dump mindlessly
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>>64682369
Kino
https://youtu.be/3i8eSo4v0JY

EDC? i think so
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>>64667343
merry christmas anon.
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Is that your ccow
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>>64675317
Hnng I wanna squeeze her belly
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>>64667378
Bro's out here fighting vampires.
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>>64676472
I can just present it as is and give the jury an instruction to ignore it
t. Prosecutor

I used to intern with a Class II FFL precision rifle builder who also manufactured some NFA items and no joke, you can literally make a good quality (albeit rough finished) suppressor for under $100 provided you have a lathe. You can make even cheaper wipe suppressors for close to $50 out of pipe tubing you find on amazon. I remember watching this video by an American volunteer in the Ukrainian International Legion who talk about a company in the Czech Republic that sold suppressors for the Bren 2 that cost $125 so clearly it doesn't cost that much to make them yet I'm having a hard time finding anyone selling even shitty .22lr whip suppressors for under $500. Certainly with the NFA tax going away you'd think there'd be a market for cheap suppressors in the US right?
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>>64678710
>California
yes anon, that question was stupid as fuck
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>>64679540
Because the rim on the bellend is one of the spots with the highest density of nerve endings, so hitting it multiple times on the same stroke like >>64681097 generates more stimulation than a single "baffle".
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>>64676719

I would honestly rather have the $200 tax and no fingerprints/paperwork/restrictions.
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>>64676719
Okay but how do I legally make my own shotgun suppressor?
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at least in the us it is leagal to buy and have a supressor for your firearm. here in Argentina it is forbidden for civilians to use supressors even if you want to use it for hunting. reserved only for army and military forces

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Still reeling from the sheer retardation of the Battleship proposal, plus that it'll be replacing the DDG(X) project.

But the FF(X) looks good. It won't have VLS in it's first flight, but it'll have an established supply chain and available logistics for repair and maintenance. As long as they don't try to make more capable than it needs to be, i think it'll be a good boat.
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>>64682418
>It could be the Navy just wants to stop putting VLS on anything that isn't a Burke or a Trump. Which is to insane but -- Navy.

I would say that's too retarded even for the United States Navy, but then again, we do live in the ultra gay & stupid timeline, so I don't even know anymore, maybe trump will tell the Navy to start putting guns on submarines next.
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>>64682548
>>64682585
It's 2025, you have a web of unmanned pickets with sonars, you don't need a helicopter flying around which can never get close to 100% uptime
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>>64682644
Better to have both. Don't put your eggs in one basket.
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>>64682644
You don't need 100% uptime from an ASW helo. If they drop sonobuoys, those sensors stay active for hours at a time, if they get a contact you can then send the helicopter back out, at which point it can use it's dipping sonar to get a firing solution and then drop it's torpedo(s). All things which can be done hundreds of miles away from the ship.

You're no different to the "everything is obsolete now because drones" smoothbrained retards that have sprung up over the past few years.
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>>64674827
From the looks of it it's more in line with an old WW2 sort of DD. A small, fast escort, patrol or raiding ship. In the context of a fleet containing a "battleship", these would fight other small boats trying to rush down the battleship (with the main gun on the front and any secondaries, maybe also the missiles at long range), and also have some utility against larger targets (Anti ship missile launchers on the stern).

I'm starting to realize outside of absolute SHTF, this is the way. Has anyone else experienced these?
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>>64681831
M2 Ball existed before WW2.
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obsession over airguns for shtf is a russian thing
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>>64682189
Russian airguns are sick though. I still want that Edgun that folds up for black ops.
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>>64678021
The /qa/ lost>>64678062
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>>64678001
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>>64682189
>outside of SHTF
>OUTISIDE OF
You all fail basic reading comprehension
>>64677507
Airguns are fun OP especially for plinking and target shooting but firearms jsut scratch a different itch. If you're satisfied with airguns then good for you.

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Ruger has a shotgun now.
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>>64681035
A $900 Ruger no1 in .308 and .45-70 for straightwall only states would sell. Same way the Ruger wrangler fills a need for a not terrible cheap .22 plinker a not terrible single shot rifle is desperately needed. I want one just out of autism but a hell of a lot of people would use those for deer slaying

Speaking of deerslaying
>The deerslayer
They brought back the 9mm camp carbine, now we nee the tube fed .44mag
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>>64682555
Miroku/Miroku made Brownings are great. Pick what suits you.
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>>64682555
Miroku makes great shotguns. Beretta barrels in the last 10 years have really made them stand out. Awful name, but their steelium and steelium pro barrels are fucking great.
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>>64682339
I'd take the Beretta only because Ruger doesn't make a Wonder Nine anymore, if they still made a modern variant of the P series pistols (with hammers and alloy frames), I'd be flipping a coin.

Otherwise, Beretta doesn't make any Magnum revolvers.
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>>64682651
The Wrangler is one of those perfected poorfag guns. It's an overall decent .22 revolver for cheap, and it's got those sexy 1873 lines to it.

Realistically speaking what are the mechs even contributing to this military force that you couldn't get by just swapping out the APCs for IFVs instead?
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>>64678172
>And of course the setting is just much better at depicting combined arms
Hammer's slammers has uncombined arms. Everything is a hovercar with a supergun or it's getting nuked by a hovercar.
>>64678268
>and have specialist equipment for
Yeah, goofy wacky cartoon grappling glue sticks that they use to climb up a jogging metal humanoid in motion... somehow!
Infantry physically attacking mechs in motion is less realistic than mechs in motion. You could just shoot at it you dingus.
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>>64678363
People will seriously look you in the eye and say "legs are unrealistic. They should use a more feasible method of movement... like hovering!"
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Just getting into Battletech and want to create a Fedrat Raiders/Stinking Drac Defenders scenario with the following lances, with ~3k BV each so I can learn how to play with light lances for Megamek. Is the below matchup too imbalanced for one side?

Fedrats
Phoenix Hawk PXH-1
Javelin JVN-10F
Javelin JVN-10N
Locust LCT-1V

Stinking Dracs
Jenner JR7-D
Panther PNT-9R
Whitworth WTH-1
Wasp WSP-1K
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What you want is to use them for self-propelled artillery.

If the advantage of mech legs is that they could reach places that treads can't, it doesn't make sense to bring them to locations where wheeled/treaded vehicles already are.

Instead, you might use a mech up at high alpine elevations, on a canyon floor, etc. to hold your MLRS/field gun.
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>>64679596
You're better off asking the grognards in the /btg/ over on >>>/tg/


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