Pistol caliber carbines /pccg/Last thread >>61345293 hit the bump limitToob gun edition
>>61413674Test fired the PMXs yesterday. Functioned flawlessly. It’s a nice shooter. Obviously not as nice as my MP5K but it’s smoother than the scorpion. Still new but I honestly kind of prefer something extremely simple like this over my MP5K which is reliable, but I’m not 100% confident in.
Still in the break-in period with my ap5 but I went through about 150 rounds today with no issues at all, feels good. Used a mix of 124 gr blazer and ATS (this one was new for me). I still haven't cleaned it yet lol.
>>61413721>>61413674The sprung ball detent on the top of the bolt seems like an anti-bolt bounce feature.
>>61413751I think so. It seems to me like an extremely well designed and manufactured gun.
Gib MP5/10
>>61413674Can you put a brace on it?Who has PMX in stock right now?
>>61413674built for pcc
>>61413931>bracehttps://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/beretta-pmxs-rear-plate---picatinny-C5M147P>in stockhttps://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/082442971636?suggestion-term=pmx(I bought from family firearms, shipped in 2 days)>$150 rebatehttps://rapid-rebates.com/pmxs
Stribog A3, KP9, or PMX?I already have an MP5.
Will this PCC break the PCC market?
>>61413674TOOB? anybody got suggestions for cheap picatinny rail to buffer tube adapter? also some low profile sights? I was thinkin CZ EVO sights would be slick. any copies out there since originals are unavailable?
>>61414173I have the AP5P. KP9 is really cool but 9mm AKs kill themselves and KUSA hired a pornstar to run the company when I was considering one. Stribog idk it never interested mePMX just kind of did it for me. I like beretta, made in Italy, it’s unpopular, has a cool history, and I think it looks pretty cool. After I watched that Denzel washington movie that had them I couldn’t resist any longer. $800 after rebate is the right price.
>>61414184im not versed in the pcc market, what is this?
>>61414020>>61413674oh damn what's the best looking brace for this thing?
Would a couple of G26 mags fit in the Ruger pcc cheek riser?
>>61413674literally don't understand the appeal of carbines in 2024.functionally obsolete
>>61414387Yeah I understand post 2020 gun owners like you don’t get it. Move along.
>>61414387Fun things are fun.
Took my AP5 to the range today. These things need a break-in? I put about 300 rounds of some steel cased Magtech and it ran fine.
>>61414387I love it when noguns thirdie like you complain about a gun beinng obsolete.
>>61414387They're better than a handgun for home defense, and they're less unwieldy than most SBR 5.56 guns. boolit still make hole in home invader. that's not exactly obsolete.
Built an AR9 that runs off easy loading Colt mags and a .40 with CMMG's radial-delayed blowback bolt & barrel, love both but I'll grab my 5.56 for the boogaloo.
It ain't much, but it was on sale...
>>61415287PNW?
>>61415290Central Europe.
Some open bolt goodies. The PPS is a lot better made with vastly improved handling over the Shpagin, but the papasha is nicer to shoot.
>>61414387The NFA fucks over PCCs more than any other category of firearm. An unsuppressed PCC with 16 inch barrel is mostly a fun plinker that can be used for home defence in a pinch, a short barreled, suppressed PCC with a giggle switch absolutely fucks.
>>61414173I have a kp9 and the build quality is ass. Also the brace is wobbling like the bitch now and that bothers the shit out of me
>>61413721>1200 dollars for a semi-auto tubegun that uses proprietary $50 magsseems pretty rarted
>>61416129Ap5s being $1200 really spoils the rest of the market. Outside of stuff that's way cheaper like ep9s.
top cock or side cock defender? undecided if i want to keep it old school and portable or slap a dot on it
>>61416846Dont fall for the MPA meme
>>61413674Can PSA please just release this?
>>61416984off topic, but I want that wood furniture they showed off
How's the Uzi pro?
>>61417293Nevermind, they're all out of stock (or discontinued) anyway
>>61413674>>61413805why is the hole in that lug on the receiver so egged out
>>61416121When did you buy yours? I know they went down the toilet at some point but I thought they picked themselves back up recently.
>>61418108like 2020
>>61417758I checked after taking the photo and noticed that but it’s kind of camera angle doing that. It’s a perfect circle in IRL it’s just a little uneven side wall thickness.
why the FUCK is the charging handle thing needed for the flux raider 100 bucks and not included with the fucking thing?
Anyone know how often they restock on flux raiders?
>>61413721I wish I could just get them to make closed bolt internals to use in surplus pm12 parts kits.Wonder if there is any way I can make the new versions internals work with the old steel shell.
>>61417101Wood furniture for the DOE gun?I'm...not NOT interested.
>>61416129I know $1,200 seems like a lot. And for many years for me it was. Now its not and the difference between an $800 gun and a $1,200 gun feels like the difference between an $80 and $120.
>>61420307anon regardless of how much money you make 1200 dollars is a lot. making more money shouldn't mean you spend more money poorly.ben franklin probably said that
>>61420339Dude. A couple of years ago, honestly mainly through luck, i almost tripled my income from ~$80k/yr to $225k/yr before bonus and taxes. I invest much more annually than my previous take home. $1,200 is a whim purchase for me. I don’t think the Beretta is a good value for the money at all (one of the few situations for their guns to be honest), but there are a ton of buyers who’ll just shrug and say “looks cool” and buy it without thinking too much about the cost.
how do you do MP5chads
>>61420365you mention this every thread like its a proper excuse for buying the pmx
gonna sbr this soon
>>61414309just got back from test firing. who knew you needed both sides of the sex bolt or it blows out... ran good on a 32rd promag except when it failed, started double feeding on the next round, then fully broke out on the last round with the tube shooting forward on recoil spring tension. should i re-orient the print to have the "grain" at a 45 deg angle for mo strength?
>>61414351give me a few days and I will have an answer.
>>61420454Fuckin hideous. Contemplate ending things.
>>61415270I feel there comes a point that a firearm is so small it stops being a useful tool>>61416984I like their basically CAR stock brace there
>>61420433I dont have one. Sounds like plenty of people have the money though.
ngl, I also wipe my ass with $1200
>>61414173m’PSA’5. Guys at the range keep identifying it as an mp5. Sig boys go “$35” a magazine??! -tri-lug adapter! What grain are gonna use when you get a can!Fucking nerds lol. Mpsa5 go bang bang bang. The bolt hold open latch is pretty Obiden.
>>61418221thats when I got mine and it has been fine
>>61416129Its like you cant read. The gun cost me $955 OTD and there is a $150 rebate. Im also not poor :/
>>61420224no for the AR15. It was shown in the H&R booth iirc
>>61414017Just Right carbines look solid. I kind of want to buy a take down .45acp one for better suppression over 9mm.>>61415270Tell me what that is right now.
>>61422183https://www.packrifle.com/product/pack-rifle/
>>61419247get a hogsaddle barrier pad w/ the horn and use some scissors to cut it into a small grip then stick it on top of the slide, its what i did with mine and it works great.
>>61414387Rimless can be very good indoors. Rimfire PCCs can be set up as very quiet scout rifles. Your larp brainrot makes you cargo cult the military without understanding how the military kills people.
>>61420365What was your secret, anon? And don't tell me it's sucking dicks. That doesn't pay THAT well...
>>61421440~$800 is a good price for a PCC honestly, and its not some gimmicky offering from a startup.
>>61423478Hes either lying, pays 40%+ in taxes working a tech job or is about to sell you something.
>>61423478>>61423478I worked in corporate finance. I had moved up from Jr. Analyst to Sr. Analyst. The company I worked for got bought by a PE firm. I was the one who put together the CIM for the sale. The quality of earnings report for the transaction advisory company, all the financial exhibits for the pitch book, etc. the FP&A manager and the CFO were lazy fucks and I was doing all of the legwork. after a year under the new ownership I was on the owning PE firm’s website and they had an opening for an associate position. i applied and a bunch of the guys recognized me and also really liked my work so it was kind of a breezy interview. So $80k to over $200k rather quickly. So mostly luck. BTW I have a BS in economics and have my CFA charter. I know to move up to VP and eventually managing partner I’ll need my mba though.>>61423496I live in DFWDo you know how taxes work?My top tax rate is 32% but only on the 182k-231k earned.
>>61423593oh, he's involved in jewish trickery
>>61423593Duuude! I may need to hit you up on the side. I'm in DFW as well and work in the investments industry. 20 years of experience, fully licensed and I'm working on my CFP/ChFC. I'm also severly underpaid. Not even joking. If you have the time and a throw away email account I'd love to talk.
>>61424078The CFA charter was brutal, and quite unlike a CFP or even a ChFC. I passed all 3 levels first try, but I budgeted 9mo. of study, 1.5 hours a day for each or about 450 hours for each. The pass rates are in the mid-high 30% range of test takers per level. Financial advising is a wholly different thing to corporate finance, investment banking, private equity, transaction advisory, etc. >>61423830I’m not surprised at your response. You’re in the game, the rules are stupendously simple, all you gotta do is play.
>>61423593I believe it. Once you pass a certain threshold the nepotism reaallly kicks in
>>61424342Same as it ever was. It’s about trust and familiarity. My work product was good enough for the nepotism to get me across the finish line. If i didn’t have the juice, they wouldn’t have even interviewed me in the first place.
>>61424357I just noticed working at amazon that once you break the 80k-100k mark, all the diversity hire shit goes out the window and its 99% business bros
Defenderchads rise up>>61416846I like the top cock, but side cock is probably the smarter move.
>>61424260Yeah I get there is a difference, but I've spent a lot of time in all sorts of sub fields for my career. Anything from data analytics to business process to that agile bullshit that corpos love right now. Currently I'm in planning, but spending a significant time building custom reports for my VP's to use.
>>61424369Its similar in engineering.
>>61415287I still love mine. Got it in the opening weeks of the pandemic at $825
>>61416984I nearly shit myself when I saw the stuff they wanted to release lol. I've seen clones or builds from parts of some of these but a commercial release for them and probably at a decent price?! That DOE would be a sweet first PCC.
>>61414309I'd reprofile the ass end to look a little neater but other than that it's good looking.>>61420497I think it just needs to be beefed up in the front maybe? The first pic makes it look like you have about 3-4mm max on that front wall between the front and the hole. Sorry for speaking metric here; my brain works imperial for everything except printing and teeny tiny stuff because slicers are (were?) metric by default. MM is the only metric measurement I really use since it's useful for tiny shit.>>61420454How do you use the selector on that thing? I held one attagunstore and couldn't really reach it with my thumb without changing my grip. Really easier to use my pointer finger.
Thoughts on my poverty flux raider? I even got an olight to complete the look!
>>61427514Looks like a ton of fun. >I’m enjoying the hobby!Then you’re doing it right!
>>61427697it really is, I love this thing
I want a B&T TP9 so bad
>>61427945I heard the trigger sucks and the magwell is kinda too small. I like how it looks though.
>when you saved for a year for a cx4 but theres barely any online nowShould I look at pmx or akv? Kinda wish pmx had a 16in barrel option like cx4 had.
I want a fun compact 9mm suppressor host that I can kit out appropriately for NVG use - willing to SBR and all of that fun stuff. I wanted something like a TP9 originally but I also want something I can utilize my own can collection on - has anyone shot anything like a Mini Uzi or an Uzi Pro? Am I going to be disappointed comparative to all of the other options on the market for PCCs of this size?>>61427945I did until I realized that I can't put my own cans on it.
>>61427997I heard the triggers really fucking suck. Also good luck finding an Uzi Pro, they're out of stock everywhere. Makes me think they're just discontinued now.
>>61428020I feel like at this point I'd likely be paying a premium on anything that I like at this point be it the TP9, an MP5K or a Mini Uzi. The latter I just missed a drop of parts kits on Atlantic, kinda pissed about that.
>>61428050Should mention that even this parts kit was fucking 1600$
>>61427945Buy one >>61427976>trigger sucks Who cares, good enough for a 5” barrel 9mm and who cares about muh splits >magwell is kinda too smallNo it isn’t, it’s fine >>61427997>I can't put my own cans on itWho cares, the TP9 cans are both cheaper and more available than they’ve ever been
>>61428078I wonder how it compares to a flux raider
>>61414387>he doesn't arm his kids with small caliber carbines and post them watchtowers to guard him when he sleeps at nightngmi
I still need to SBR my UZI clone one of these days.
>>61428078I already own a ton of 9mm cans, I don't want a proprietary one. If the trigger on both sucks I'd rather build an Uzi.
In a more simple world IMI would have given us the Glock-mag Para-Uzi but it died in production.
MPA defender (glock mag ver) or flux raider?! The MPA defender is cheap and uses glock mags, but I heard the trigger is dogshit
What's the milspec 9mm everyone is using in their SMG? And yes I meant the militaries and LEOs
it's over
>>61424399thats a nice setup. side cock doesnt have the same charm. ill prob go this route>>61416860its a pcc so im not expecting much. not many choices for a pistol grip mag loaded in this length >>61427514thats cool. on the plus side its a glock flux is really shit. they had a glock one too and discountinued it
UZI in 2024. Can’t find magazines edition.
>>61428050entry cost for the UZI Pro right now is stupid. The brace ruling killed any imports last year which were already largely stopped. Magazines are basically impossible to find unless you want rape-me-in-the-ass gunbroker prices.I only have one since I got everything before it all dried up.I would just get a MP5.
Are the blem mp17 flux raiders worth getting or should I just wait for the X?
>>61433051Welp, I got the blem, hopefully I don't regret being an impulsive dumb fuck.
>>61424960I got mine during a sales event in Czechia. You see, CZ scalps locals big time, Evo was a $1500 gun on the domestic market until last year, when CZUB suddenly reduced the MSRP to just under $1100. Thanks to some "best sales" awards for dealers bullshit, several gunstores started competing with very pleasant results for us buyers. They couldn't undercut the factory MSRP, so they waged the price war by adding more and more extras, peaking at 1100 bucks for the gun + 1000 rounds + 30% rebate on optics of your choice, which suddenly brought the gun from "mildly overpriced" to "cheapest non-surp PCC on the Czech market" level.It's far from perfect out of the box (wobbly, snappy, stiff controls), but it just runs and I can shoot it quite well. Gonna use it in shooting classes, cause my other long gun (lol, Evo is classed as "Pistol" here!) is an inch pattern FAL and the difference in cpr is significant. Gotta get a can for it in the foreseeable future as well because why the fuck not.
I have way too many fucking 9mm guns now, and I keep wanting more
>>61413674I would argue that despite it's weight, this is one of the best, particularly for lefties. Because of it's design the ejection port is far forward of the users face. If you're left handed, this keeps you from getting gassed like you would with, for example, a kel-tec sub2000.It's heavy. It's not that accurate. It's direct blowback. The trigger is good, better than most PCC/PDWs. It takes down to a small size and does everything I want while not filling my nose with gas and it's cheap...relatively speaking.
>>61432439it really is a same the uzi pro is like 2k and also have a worthless trigger because they look siqq with all the fixins on them
I don't know if a can wrap matters much with PCCs but it makes the guns look a lot cooler if its wrapped properly.
WHO HERE HAS A STRIBOG SP10 I WILL HAUNT THIS THREAD UNTIL SOMEONE ADMITS TO OWNING ONE I ALREADY HAVE A CAN IT WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE SO SOON NOW IM GETTING VEY ANTSY BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE MONTHS TO PROCURE ONE AT A REASONABLE COST THIS DID NOT HAPPEN AND NOW HERE WE ARE IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF ME BUY A STRIBOG AP10 AND PUT SEVERAL HUNDRED ROUNDS THROUGH IT AND REPORT BACK THEN ILL PROBABLY NOT LEAVE BUT STOP RAGE POASTING MOSTLY
>>614364279mm cans can still get very hot but wraps just seem like they would make them cool off slower. A lot, if not most, wraps also just look retarded.
>>61415949Go back
>>61436496Just buy one and report back to us yourself.
>>61436496Do you not trust any sources other than anonymous ones?
>>61437929>>61437934NO.
>>61436496OH AND THAT REMINDS ME THERE ARE ADDEMDUMBS TO MY EARLIER DEMANDS YOU HAVE TO TEST IT WITH aac ALL THAT OTHER SHIT IS GIMPED ALSO TRY TUI THOSE ARE MY PREFERRED 10MM ANTI ANYTHING THAT BREATHES AMMO IM NOT PAYING FOR ANOTHER STAMP SO TRY BRACES TOO SOME COOL SHIT LIKE THE FOLDING ONES METAL ONLY DONT GO FOR ACCURACY TESTING YOU PROBABLY CANT SHOOT FOR SHIT JUST MAKE SURE TO LOAD IT RIGHT NO SIGHTS SUGGESTIONS EITHER YOU ARE ALL FUCKING MOLE MEN.
>>61424369When you need people to do things without massively fucking up it do be like dat. I want my damn Omega 9K already.
>>61414351>>61420507I just checked with an ETS 10 round glock 26 mag, and you can only fit one. You MIGHT be able to fit two if you remove some plastic from inside the tall cheek riser, but I can't really confirm that.
>>61441087My 45K cleared in a couple of weeks. NFA guy said he gets approval same day sometimes. Its the website being overwhelmed, and the form 3s taking so long. Couldn't cert my can today due to the site crashing but will tomorrow. After I get back from the range. Going to try it out on a friends KS47, Zastava, and a GbG
Now I just need to decide on an optic
>>61424260>You’re in the game, the rules are stupendously simple, all you gotta do is play.This mentality being widespread, for the record, is the reason it's no longer possible to live on a regular 40 hour a week full-time job. >oh, everyone's in the game, they're just not playing it right so it's okay we make a bunch of money by adding literally nothing to the economy or broader societyFinance bros are fucking niggers.
>>61436555I'd personally rather not have to wear gloves and have the ability to immediately handle my can then let it cool off than wait 5 less minutes to detach my can. Most people are retards and don't know how to size their wraps, or they buy wraps with some kind of system like badly sized buckles that don't allow you to cinch it down.
>>61444611I don’t disagree in the slightest. As awful as it is, the fact of the matter is you are indeed in it. And honestly it’s the same as it ever was. You must think I like or love my job. Few in finance do. The hours are long and the industry cut-throat. They’re there for the money to do what they want in life otherwise, because by 45, many can quit and live off interest. A short stint to frt out of wage slavery as quickly as possible. But your petulance keeps you down and whining about it, and it says more about you than me.
>>61444564The SPC is so soulless compared to the APC.
apparently KUSA is going bankrupt and fired all their employees. Makes sense considering how dogshit my kp9 was.
>>61414017That looks so fucking dumb lmao I want it
>>61446708The PSA was and still Is a better deal.I wonder how akg takes the fact that ak101 is dead still.
>>61446746PSA will bubba up something. Maybe well see 1k PSA AKs equivalent to some Eastern Europeans by 2030.
>>61446764I meant for the akv the gf series is shit though but honestly the akv has treated people pretty well for what it is.
>>61415287That old body style pistol grip gives me the ick.
>>61446803Do you have one yourself? I've been thinking about getting one after hearing about KUSA's QC issues, and now their death.
Thats it anons. I AM JUST GONNA SUCK IT UP AND BUY A CX4 LIKE IVE BEEN TELLING MYSELF FOR TWO YEARS.
>>61448331Beretta discontinued them for the PMX so now is the time to buy.
>>61445263I vote with my feet. If everyone else did, the world would be a far less faggy place. Tell yourself whatever you need to hear to feel okay with enriching yourself on the back of an unhealthy social dynamic. Just don't pretend that's not what you're doing. You're not just complicit but actively perpetuating the whole dynamic.
PCC chads represent
>>61448576No they didn’t, they are coming out with a second gen cx4
>>61446098Going to disagree. They are literally same same
>>61446098The SPC and APC are soulless compared to the KH9.
>>61450052too late for me. if anyone was eyeing the one new listing on guns.com I just bought it.I will never financially recover from this.
>>61427997>has anyone shot anything like a Mini Uzi or an Uzi Pro?Yes, I've built all three - SMG, Mini, and Micro, using only scrap receiver pieces.I sold the SMG and Micro during the pandemic for insane money and regret it often now that parts kits have dried up or become extremely expensive.Still have the mini, but haven't fired it yet because of some dimensional issues front-to-back with my reweld, I'm a little short, so the out of battery safety block won't unlock on the ejector, but can't find accurate dimensions anywhere so it's a process that continues.I could test it without the safety block but I'm obsessively neurotic and want it to be correct beforehand.>Am I going to be disappointed comparative to all of the other options on the market for PCCs of this size?There are a lot of variables here. To be clear, I love the Uzi family and think they're great, but frankly, I think you should try to lessen your expectations as much as you can.They are all based off a 70 year old design, the full-size weighs as much as a full-length FAL, they won't be as quiet suppressed as an MP5 or CMMG RDB, are ergonomically lacking, and mounting optics, lights, etc. on any of them is often not a straightforward task for a variety of reasons (it can be done, obviously, but isn't as simple as slapping whatever on a pic rail).That said, they are still competitively compact, even by today's standards. A Mini with a 7.75" barrel is less than 14" long, and with a 20 round mag, only 7" tall including sights.The full size is also deceptively accurate, you can definitely keep shots on a paper plate at 100 yards pretty easily, even with iron sights. The triggers aren't fantastic, but whoever told you they "suck" hasn't used one. They're fine.Many times people get confused between the Uzi and MAC triggers, the MACs had horrible trigger slap, the Uzi's did not. You're not getting match-grade, and they have a good bit of creep, but they're consistent.Feel free to ask any q's.
>>61432482>Magazines are basically impossible to find unless you want rape-me-in-the-ass gunbroker prices.Why not just cut a notch in the surplus SMG mags? Does that not work?
I want to lighten my Ruger PC Carbine. My understanding is, the bolt is so heavy because it needs to keep the breech sealed until the bullet exits the 16" barrel. So, if the barrel was shorter, the bolt could be lighter.So what I want to do is drill out the barrel so that its only effectively 10", and then put in a lighter bolt. Does anyone see an issue with this theory?
>>61449046Oh I don’t deny it. Perhaps it went over your head so I’ll spell it out. Even in a righteous, healthy, humane system you’d still find something about it to not do shit. Its like doing chores or keeping your body in good fitness. The people who don’t do shit because “the game sucks” are the people who don’t do shit when it has nothing to do with the game. They tend to be slovenly regardless. I guess it’s not really your fault, it’s just your temperament, it makes it no less pitiable.
This might be a stupid question, but should I take the thread protector off my SP5 when I’m using the tri-lug mount? I read somewhere that the thread protector adds stability or something
>>61455104it does, keep it on
Are faxon threaded barrels good for a p320 if I want to eventually get a suppressor for my flux raider set up? Or should I just stop cheaping out and get a sig barrel?
>>61461717L&L'd has silencerco barrels for $112
>>61462097Oh shit, thanks bro
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are flux raiders actually good or is there just a lot of shilling? I heard they don't suppress well at all, which sounds lame as FUCK
>>61464840they suppress as well as any pistol does. I think if you're looking to get a small, legal PCC that isn't a $1200 brick that recoils like an AR the raider is an OK deal, especially if you buy your p320 used, i got mine for 390.
>>61464871any reason to get the X over the MP17?
>>61464887a few ergonimic improvements but the biggest change is a bottom rail and a bigger cut out in the front for suppressors.
>>61434827Esl
>>61420454that is sweet. can u just swap the barrel with a custom or you gotta chop it?as a poor i got a sp9a3s. if i wasnt prob sbr a p90 or ump
>>61420407I do okay. Glad it's warming up.
>>61420454Dude, color me a little jealous. Looks dope.
Which is the better suppressor in terms of signature reduction: YHM R9 or EA Sonus 9?
Here she is bros. The finished product
>>61470163Lay off the filters.
>>61470163Maybe will add a silencer one day, but done for now. >>61470173I just like the way it looks
Can somebody go over the pros and cons of suppressing a handgun/PDW? I'm having a major crisis of faith as I go to order one, gotta buy a PEQ soon too...is it worth it if I have good dedicated rifle cans?
>>61420407>form 1 clears for AP5 after 15 days>set up to go to range on Saturday>brave Friday after work traffic to get more 9mm NATO>fill up my mags, go to bed>wake up Saturday feeling like I've been beat with a sack of doorknobs >blasting yellow Elmer's paste out my nose>spend all weekend laying on the couch trying to survive >feel fine Monday morning, go to workLife has disappointments.
>>61444564You need eotech w/g45
>>61470677its fun and cool, thats about it.
Any recommendations for a PCC suppressor? I own an SBR'ed SP5, SBR'ed AP5-P and an SBR'ed PS90. I was leaning towards a Rugged Obsidian 9 and just making the P90 wait until I got a 5.56 can.
>>61471508>PCC suppressorwhat do you call a glock in a 'flux' type chassis like the recover tactical 20/20 or the B&T USW? And how do the optimal suppressor requirements differ from a traditional PCC with a fixed barrel etc?
>>61464840I think a lot of the problems people run into suppressing it is either due to not running an adjustable recoil spring or not running a booster on their suppressor. I’m going to take the plunge here soon on mine so I guess we’ll find out, but from my research if you have those two things 90% of suppressors should work.
>>61432439WTF happened with the UZI Pro? I got one a couple years ago for 900, sold it to a buddy for 1000 because I couldn't find mags, then he tells me he sold it for 2000 and lo and behold they're just suddenly 2000+ guns
>>61433051The raider is kinda an Instagram whore gimmick. The stock/brace bit is borderline too shitty to even use, the spring loaded bit doesn't always work, and the 320 is dogshit anyway and requires too much dicking around with to run comped/suppressed.
>>61471764they were discontinued
>>61471801that's a bummer. would've been cool if they actually put shit out for them and kept em around. better/cooler than half the other janky gimmick pcc on the market
>>61471508Obsidian 9 is a good can but modularity is a meme. I use mine with tri-lug and haven't had any issues.
>>61471787I just got the flux chassis and uh yeah I'm actually a little mad I fell for it. 450 bucks for this piece of shit plastic chassis that is gonna eventually break when the shitty metal brace breaks the dogshit plastic mold that holds it in place. What the fuck was I thinking? It's barely better than a recover tactical that's like 4 times less expensive.
>>61473226NTA but that shit always bugs me. Why the fuck is a piece of plastic THAT MUCH? I get it, molds are expensive, etc. etc. But god damn, it's every hyped up product in the gun industry. I'd have some silly things if the prices weren't like this. Binary triggers, Flux chassis, etc. But at $250+ they're not an easy no-brainer buy.
I love my recover tactical (especially for the price), but the fact that I have to take the glock out of it to take the slide off kinda sucks ass since it'll probably lose zero when I put it back in.
>>61473308Retards who buy into them, like me, will pay the retarded prices they ask for. It's niche shit after all.
>>61473926Just mindboggling some of these prices. I think Franklin would be unironically better off selling their binary triggers cheaper; they'd probably do more volume and make more money which would be very good for keeping them legal and getting them lawyer and new product/research/prototype money. There's no way they "just can't"; I mean look at the low end nicer-than-milspec triggers out there; the prices are crazy low and even the higher end brands are pretty cheap, so a binary shouldn't be TOO much more. "Way back in the day" (80s/90s) there used to be a pretty cheap single part Mini14 drop in binary apparently, no selector though. I'd like a binary for a 10/22 but not at the price of ~0.85-1.1 Ruger 10/22s. Flux I get it, it'll be niche, but they're making a chassis that isn't a big fuck like the Roni. If they made them cheap for several different oddball guns I'd probably have a couple. Shit, they're not even making the Glock chassis right now like what the fuck lol. Stupid artificial scarcity bullshit tactics. And man if I pay that much for either the customer service better be licking my nuts anytime I need them. I mean Leupold-tier "whatever you need, no questions asked" lifetime service.
>>61473308500 bucks for a complete lower that includes an afg, secondary mag storage, spring-loaded brace and a light+optics mount. its not a bad deal considering most places sell their braces for like 300 bucks.
>>61434809If I ever get around to buying a beretta 92 my immediate second purchase is one of those. Right now the glock/S2ak combo combo is pretty great but at some point I need to just buy a 9mm
>>61449549What the fuck is that and where can I get one
>>61475093Doesn't matter, it's still plastic shit
>>61475093That doesn't justify the flux's price. Braces are just overpriced because they know they can get away with it. What's the alternative? A 200 dollar tax stamp that you have to wait for and show to every ATF agent that asks, and a stock that's almost as expensive?
>>61474069honestly I think it really is down to the lack of demand so they can't justify scaling up production to lower prices. Most gun owners are probably content with just the bare minimum so they won't get things like a binary trigger or a chassis like the flux.
getting ass raped is just how the game works. Can't afford it? Don't fucking buy it. Don't be a commie about it
>>61476401Poors think that because the ammo is half the price that the guns should be half the cost of a PSA AR. I just bought a 1700 dollar levergun to shoot handload .38s with for 22 cpr.
>>61476608sounds retarded
>>61476608Good goy
God the flux's plastic quality is so fucking bad. Why couldn't they just use fiber reinforced polymer? Why the fuck are there 3d printed pieces, makes the whole thing feel cheap as fuck. And they want 50 fucking bucks for the side rails and an additional 20 for some dogshit 3d printed gas cap? Fucking hell.
>>61476622>>61476668Get a job and its not hard to afford fun stuff. I'm shooting whisper quiet .38s and having fun while you're getting mad and staying poor.
>>61478526I have a job though?!?!? I can afford stupid shit, but I'd rather not get my ass fucked.
>>61478578I didn't buy some overpriced hunk of plastic, I bought an Italian made takedown 1892 that's been chromed. Its called buying nicer things.
>>61478583I wouldn't brag about buying wop shit
>>61478596I wouldn't brag about your noguns tier knowledge of guns.
>>61478603AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE I DO HAVE GUNS
>>61478603Shut the fuck up, greasy motherfucking wop cock sucker.
>>61476335I don't know about that. There's a lot of guys with braces and other "weird" stuff now that braces aren't in that magical $150-200 price range "weird new" accessories seem to float in despite being made by huge manufacturers. Yes binary triggers would rarely get used considering ammo costs but on .22s they'd sell pretty good IF they weren't $250. Perhaps it could be argued that it's in a bit of a catch 22 situation where it doesn't sell much so the price doesn't get changed much but I don't think so. I'm sure they spent a good amount advertising it; I mean you do remember how many binary trigger, Roni, and Flux videos major "guntubers" did, right? I mean fucking .22plinkster even has his own Franklin 10/22 binary trigger group model. Everyone knows about them, but not everyone wants to pay that kind of price.
>>61478733No wonder you can't afford nice things.
>>61478770Cuz I don't like wops?
I also hate wops
>all this wop hatingwtf where'd this come from
>>61478805It started when the complaining about pricing started.
>>61478816so it's just the poors crying about italians? Isn't that how shit's been for the last 1500 years?
I want a modernized abomination Cold War subgun in 9mm - what should I be looking at. Bonus points for parts kit guns
>>61478831???
>>61478805Wops are just Jews mixed with Africans
>>61478996North Italians exist anon
>>61478816Don't ask questions about prices just keep consuming, goy.
>>614790001700 dollars gets you an acceptable AR or an mp5 clone build with all bells and whistles. I chose my range toy to be more manual and not plasticky, who cares.
>>61478998Lol, lmao even.
>>61479017Next you're gonna sperg out about south Germans or Swiss, I can tell. Sorry your shithole can't make something nice.
>>61479014The original post was bitching about overpriced plastic shit so why are you even butting in?
>>61479025The original conversation started about hating wops because I mentioned I bought an Italian made gun, so why are YOU butting in?
>>61449549that ain't no PCC, chuck
>/PCC/ - Noooo this piece of plastic is worth $500 and fuck Italians general
>>61479031I'm talking about the posts complaining about the prices you illiterate wop nigger demon
>>61479041You're just doing cafeteria arguments now, picking and choosing what fits your reality. Have fun with that I guess.
>off cooldown repliesButthurt wop. Also you'll never be on the same level as a German, stop flattering yourself.
>Being this mad because I mentioned I bought a 1700 dollar fancy levergun
>>61479039at least here at /PCC/ (- Pistol Caliber Carbines) 50% of our opinions are correct
>>61449549
>just realized all my guns are PCCsWhat the fuck lol...
>>61479038It's literally a pistol caliber carbine. You telling me that .357 isn't a handgun round?
>>61479071that's cool af.
fucking disgusting greasy wops
James is right, fuck the poors. If you can't buy Italian you're just destitute.
>>61479212I only eat pineapple pizza btw
>>61479224Why would I as an Italian guns appreciator accept slop like that?
I only buy american guns (yes they suck)
If your poors keep complaining I may just swap this cheapo Primary Arms Aimpoint Micro clone on my Italian takedown 1892 for an actual Aimpoint Micro just to keep flexing.
man this thread got hella fucking gay. can't you fags talk about guns again
>>61479085not a carbine>>61479071not a carbinean extended pistol
>>61479272yeah don't do that, those things are trash
>>61414173>stribogbased grand power enjoyer
>>61477593>God the flux's plastic quality is so fucking badIs it? It feels exactly the same as the p320's or any other plastic lower. Seems like you just hate it for superficial reasons and dont want it being promoted in this general
>>61479284No, the thread dies the moment it's back on topic because PCCs are functionally obsolete and the only people still buying them are retarded contrarians who hate AR-15s.
>>61415448where in Europe can you take your guns innawoods outside of a hunting scenario?
>>61479318I just expected something more solid feeling for the price I paid. The fiber reinforced polymer receiver my cz scorpion has feels solid.
>>61479329He just said central Europe you dumb fucking fuck.
>>61479326but I have a DD m4? I just like small guns because I have a small penis.
>>61479338I’m in Central Europe too, that’s why I’m curious
>>61479345then why the fuck are you asking? You're already there dumbass!
>>61479338>>61479351autism
>>61479359it's called a joke you stupid german fuck
>mutt humor
>mutt incel rage
Shut the fuck up. Let this general die already.
>>61479385We cant ever have a nice pcc general because bringing up sig products sets people off
>>61479417that's because sig sucks my dick
Sick Sour isn't welcome round these parts
I’m convinced a 10mm PCC is better for home defense than a 5.56 AR
>>61479326>PCCs are functionally obsoletePCCs can actually get close to movie quiet and the pressure wave is way easier to handle indoors and still puts good sized holes in unarmored attackers. They are a great PDW option for civilian usage at point blank ranges which are most civilian self defense situations.
>>61413674BUILD EVENING PCCBROStoday is a good day for making a gun
>>61479544no? both 9mm and 10mm overpen more so than 5.56 indoors.
>>61479550yeah but might as well just use a handgun
>>61479651Your gun is all wrong and tarded
Dunno if this is the right thread, but are the old ruger 44mag carbines that look like 10/22s safe to shoot a lot of rounds through? I saw a few of them for sale with minimum round counts for 150-200€ and I tought it would make a fine plinking rifle
>>61479071sexy af
>>61480343it's a blurred line, for sure.
Finally got my Omega 9k out of jail
>>61480343Its handgun plus, a handgun you can aim more easily and a handgun loses nearly all its advantages to anything with a stock that is also semi auto and takes detachable mags the moment its drawn. Maybe some edge case where your house is so cramped you can't even maneuver a tiny 4 inch barrel carbine with a brace would make sense, but I personally find myself handier and more accurate on the move when I can shoulder a gun
Why did the Italians make a barilla slot in the cx4 case?
>>61478982we all want this, no one has a good answer
>>61479290It's a legal rifle in a pistol cal twerp get bent
>>61479326Hey I found the faggot
>>61486769>barillaPeggior pasta non ce n'è. Buy de cecco or something similar.
>>61490125I'm going to break this pasta then. Im just glad I found one entirely new. My only worry is this case doesn't seal well enough for me. Might need some sealer on the edges or dumping silica packets in every slot
>>61490142remember to oil all metal surfaces of a gun every few months and unless you live in a swamp I doubt you'll have issues
Got my flux raider but the fucking thing is so badly made, the entire back portion is tilted slightly to the right. Extremely obvious when you mount an optic on it and it's fucking leaning right. What the fuck lol.
>>61490694Im surrounded my lake norman on every side with high humidity. Dehumidifiers, oils, and cases work on a month to month bases but I'm worried cause I have surface rust on my tok spare barrels that were in a bag full of silica and I just oiled them a few weeks ago.Cx4 has me worried with so much barrel exposure that I am considering a cover for it.
>>61490759>coverit's gonna do you more harm than good. Same with gun cases that create an humid enviroment where air stagnates. for the barrels just put them in a ziploc back and douse them with oil so they remain wet, for the guns either store them in a safe with a dehumidifier or just remember to disassemble them and check for rust every so often
Anyone have any idea if the Ruger PC Charger and PC Carbine use the exact same weight bolt?I want to install a 10.5" barrel, and wondering if I can or should lighten the bolt when doing this.
>>61485591congrats. Looks great with that SD foregrip, Where'd you score that? I want to get one for my Pheonix but I think it'd leave a gap and kill the look.
holy fuck IWI USA actually restocked Uzi Pro magazines for MSRP.
>>61491561Ya I specifically got the omega 9k because it is the perfect height and diameter to fit inside the SD handguard. I had my silencerco octane 45 on before, but it was too skinny and long, and looked like the fake 22 sheathsIt’s a carbon 3D printed frame underneath and a reproduction SD handguard. If you google “faux mp5 SD” you will be able to find it
>>61428078Literally just a bunch of cope. I still want one tho.
>>61428078Super cool gun, but the unnecessarily bad trigger ruins it.
>>61478982Linda LE3 carbine
trying to decide on what length I want on a fx9was going to do 10" but now tempted by 8 and 4 inch barrelsthing is 20" total with a 8" barrel thoughts on going small vs a 10" barrel? figure I should keep a pcc compact
>>61423403>>61416129 Whats the general consensus on these? Don't own any PCCs but very curious of how they stack up to a more traditional compact PCCs
>>61454701Yes but I won’t tell you what it is
>>61499206go shorter. because the 8in with muzzle brake is like >10in anyways. the velocity increase is negligible imo and the only benefit is rail space at the cost of maneuverability. tug on your cock and ask yourself if 8in would be enough to get the job done or would you be greedy and need the extra two inches of dry dick? compared to the 4in barrel currently in your hand, you should have no problem fitting a light and grip on the 8 incher. but both you and i know, if you get creative you can make the 4in version work just as good. (mini handstop/microlight)
>>61413674About to pick up one of these. Does everyone just use the LPA sights on them?
>>61501124I have a cz scorpion and had a flux raider for a couple days. The flux feels good, is way more compact and lighter. I wish I could have gone to shoot it but it came fucked up with the back portion that had the rail on twisting to the right a bit. I'll let you know more about it once the RMA process is done and they send me a good one this time. Hopefully.
I kinda want a stribog in .40. is it absolutely ok to shoot .40 in the SP10? Will the mags fit it and work properly?
>>61495390Nothing cope about it, just being aware of the downsides of the gun and not letting them bother me. They make no difference to me when having fun shooting with it. Not everything has to be a min/max meta weapon. It’s ok to have guns that are fun to shoot and that you think are cool and the TP9 is both of those things. >but muh expensive range toyYeah it’s expensive but I don’t care, I specifically wanted one and saved up for it. Yes a cheaper 9mm pcc/pdw will shoot just as fine for a lot less money but it isn’t a TP9 and I wanted a TP9 so I set aside the money for one. If I didn’t want a TP9 I wouldn’t have gotten one knowing the downsides of it but I wanted one and the downsides didn’t make a difference to me because it’s a cool gun. >>61495477Who cares, I can magdump into dirt just fine with the stock shitty trigger. Could it magdump faster with a better trigger? Yeah but who cares. It’s a 5” barrel 9mm with a plastic wire stock not a fancy target gun. I don’t care that the trigger sucks.
>>61414335nemo arms
>>61427514This thing is cool but I've heard it needs a cheek riser to be fun to shoot.
>>61506876Maybe depending on the optic? But mine is just fine without one.
I just ordered a Dead Air Mojave 9 for my MPX-K. The adapter for said suppressor is backorder everywhere. I pit in an order for it on Optics Planet, and now that I'm looking, none of my rifles have 1/2x28 threads which it ships with lol
>>61509189That’s what I want to get for my CMMG Mk9. >tfw when you’re not German or Swiss sex bomb
>>61506710Okay, but due to how expensive it is, I would rather buy one of the many superior PCC’s for the same price or less. If it had an aftermarket to fix the trigger I’d probably buy one right now. No reason to spend $2000+ on a gun that feels shitty to shoot
>>61470163Nice picture of a shadow.
probably not the right place to ask this but can I use an obsidian 9 spacer in a csg mod 9? Or do I HAVE to get the OEM space for it?
>>61510968I like CMMG, wanted one in 5.7 but now that I'm doing NFA stuff I may not bother. I wanted the Wolfman, but out of stock everywhere. This Mojave 9 seems like an all around upgrade, made from titanium, flow through, slightly narrower.The frustrating part is that the can will likely arrive before the adapter, which is on extended backorder everywhere.
